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>> martha: lots of breaking news tonight as the president doubles down on the wall, on the brink of a shutdown. negotiations are ongoing tonight, and general mattis steps down, a huge story, and we have a great guest on the story for us tonight. does the pentagon very well. any president, as well their general jack keane's joins me in just a moment. president trump announcing a short time ago that general james mattis will "require with distinction this february." bad news comes on the heels of two very controversial foreign policy decisions made by president trump, surprising and their timing, both of them. want to pull thousands of u.s. troops out of syria, the other, today, said he will do the same,
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essentially, in afghanistan. general mattis releasing a copy of his resignation letter to the president that reads, in part, "you have the right to have secretary of defense whose views are better aligned with yours." here now, general jack keane, four-star general, fox news strategic analyst and chairman for the study of war, general, good happy with you with us this evening. your reaction to this news tonight? >> i'm certainly saddened to see jim mattis departing, but i also understand. i think the factors that are contributing to the resignation may maybe not all of it, but decisions in syria and afghanistan, i did speak to jim mattis yesterday. we are both of one mind in our opposition to the decision to pull out forces of syria and what its ramifications would be. i just want to say, jim is a
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tremendous officer, a tremendous leader, and the quality of the service he has provided to our country is certainly very, very significant. the american people notice that. >> martha: heard from senator schumer and minority leader nancy pelosi, she said she was shaken by this, and she felt all americans should be shaken by it. do you agree? >> no, i'm not shaken in the least by it. i think we are going to miss jim mattis' leadership, to be sure, but i have said many times, i think president trump has managed to surround himself with one of the strongest national security teams i've ever observed. jim mattis was a very important part of that, but he is not the only part of it. i'm confident the president will be able to find a successor who is very capable and will support the president's agenda, and also disagree with him strongly when necessary.
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>> martha: was any of this, do you believe, about the wall? it feels like the decision that the president has made really echo something he has said all throughout the campaign, which was he wanted to put america first. but national security was the utmost -- topmost in his mind. he makes this decision to pull out of syria, which he did say on the campaign trail he wanted to do, i know you very much disagree with it and you're certainly not alone. afghanistan, he also wanted to extract us from overtime. do you believe that he has conversations with the defense department, general mattis, saying i want to put our focus there, i want you guys to help us build this wall, if necessar necessary. >> i doubt that that was an issue that would drive a decision like this. but i'm speculating. i haven't caught up to jim yet, i will need next day or so. >> martha: when you spoke with him yesterday, was there any women that this was coming toda
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today? >> to be honest, no. we were just consumed with the issues concerning syria and what the implications of that word for the united states' national interest, for the region writ large. >> martha: do you believe this his choice? >> i accepted on face value, he submitted his resignation, because that is what he wants to do. i don't know if there is some other reason involved here, but i don't think so. >> martha: here is another piece of his letter i want your reaction to. he said "my views on treating allies with respect and also being clear right about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held. we must do everything possible to advance the international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity, and values, and we are strengthened this effort by solidarity of our alliances." he seems disturbed by the president's attitude toward our allies. >> that may be a point of
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difference, i don't know because i'm not in those discussions. i have believed the president, in terms of what he was doing with nato and trying to strengthen nato and get every thing proper is the right course of action. i think going out and dealing with china, the malign and aggressive behavior, indo pacific, working with our allies, is also the right decisions. what he has done in the middle east, his first visit with serena on last july, when he said i'm standing here with you, and i'm going to confront the iranians with you, and deal with their aggressive behaviors, they trampled over your interest and those of ours, also talked about islamic extremism and how we need to get rid of it together. i think, in a broad sense, i think they both agree on pat, but maybe some specifics that
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i'm not aware of that they disagree. i don't know why that comment is in there. >> martha: you talk about, obviously there is a lot of changes, general dunford is out, your name has been mentioned. i will ask you if you would ever consider taking this post, if it was offered to you, to be the secretary of defense. >> i have no plans to go back into public service, martha. >> martha: and that's final. >> that's final. >> martha: general, thank you very much. i know you feel very strongly and have always felt strongly about what a great person general mattis was in the mix for this president, and that he will be missed. do you believe the president, there is wiggle room, at all, on the syria decision postmark >> i don't discuss any conversations i may have with the president, all i can say is that i do hope he reconsiders.
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i'm convinced if he doesn't reconsider, he will come to regret it. >> martha: general keane, thank you very much. it general jack keane, good happy with us, as always. >> good talking to you, martha appeared >> martha: you, as well. coming up next, another central figure, congressman mark meadows come on what is going on right now on the hill, the fight to fund the border wall before they can all go home for christmas and the holidays. will president trump be forced to break his promise about the wall? ♪ >> president trump: i will never sign another bill like this again, i'm not going to do it again. ♪ the view for every other full-size pickup. and this year, it's déjà vu all over again. 'cuz only the ford f-150 gives you best-in-class torque, best-in-class payload . . . and you got it, baby . . . best-in-class towing. this is the big dog! this is the ford f-150. it doesn't just raise the bar, pal. it is the bar.
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>> martha: right now, a spending bill that includes funding for the president's border wall is back on the table, making its way through the house. this is the real deal, as the president is under huge pressure to not abandon the wall that got him elected, realizes that, like some, it is now or never on this issue, because everything is about to change in washington. it could leave the president's opponents, if he doesn't get this deal, drawing comparisons to this moment and george h.w. bush, with the election in 2020.
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remember this? >> read my lips. no more taxes. >> martha: however, this could also be seen, potentially, as a promises kept moment for the president. remember, months ago, he said i will not sign another funding bill unless the wall is part of it. >> president trump: i say to congress, i will never sign another bill like this again, i'm not going to do it again. >> martha: house freedom caucus mark meadows joins me now. busy night, obviously, for all of you. where does that stand? to get through the house, it is very unlikely that it will get through the senate, then what? >> i think the president has made a very reasonable offer to the senate. we spend more money on sugar subsidies and then we border security right now. when you look at $5 billion in the scheme of things, it is a very reasonable request.
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or that being said, negotiations are ongoing right now, martha, in a few minutes we are going to vote here in the house, i expect it will pass in the senate tonight, but it is really about a president who is not willing to fold without a fight. you hurt him make the comment they are, not going to sign another bill, but the american people want him to fight on their behalf, and today he made that decision paired i thought him for that. >> martha: the question is what changed between today and yesterday? the vice president went into the tuesday lunch with senators and said we are okay with cr, everyone can go home. at this point now, you have senators who have already left to go home, they going to be called back, and will you be forced to take a look at the deal on the table again before this is over? >> i think they are being called back. of the senators, from what i understand, are being called back in anticipation of a vote, potentially tomorrow. we are planning to stay here through the weekend in
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anticipation of a back-and-forth volley that may go on in negotiations. but the president has made it very clear, if there is not border security and a real effort to do that, he is not going to sign a bill, and quite frankly, it shouldn't come as a surprise, he campaigned on this. he has said it over and over again. the vast majority of the american people that i am hearing from, my phones have lit up, they are applauding the president for this move because they believe, finally, someone is willing to fight for the forgotten man and woman. >> martha: the question is, republicans have control of the house and the senate for close to two years, so why would this have to be coming down to the wire like this? why wasn't this done a long time ago? >> martha, it shouldn't have been a down to the wire kind of decision. you know, you covered this, this is not your first rodeo. you get to see this. typically it is the deadlines set before us, but somehow, there were a number of people on
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capitol hill that thought our negotiating position would be better in february with nancy pelosi with the speaker's gavel. most americans didn't buy that. i didn't buy that. it was now or never, and i believe the president heard from the american people and decided to side with them. i applaud him in that. >> martha: lets go through the motions before i let you go. if it passes in the house, then it goes to the senate. unlikely to get 60 votes. at that point, they kick it back to the house. then what will happen? >> it could pass the house, obviously, with the majority of democrat votes, if it doesn't have border wall funding. the president, i believe, at that point, would veto. i don't want to speak for the administration, but based on conversations today, i think he will send a clear message that we have to do something on border security. >> martha: i just want to mentioned, nancy pelosi late into the president very hard a little while ago, so did senator schumer.
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basically said he was going to be off the whole thing weeks. they have said he will not be leaving until this issue is resolved. >> let me just say this. this president works so much harder than any one of the people that are criticizing him. i promise you, i have had phone calls at midnight, at 5:00 a.m., so for them to criticize him as if he doesn't care, it's not right and it is not appropriate. >> martha: regardless of what anybody thinks about the president, he loves work. he works all the time. his consommé working the phones, constantly working on all of this. i think that is indisputable, actually. thank you very much, congressman meadows. thanks for your time. here now, fox news contributor, juan williams, fox news political analyst. let's start with your thoughts. >> the question of the day is the one you asked, what changed between yesterday and today? i think the answer is that the president had people like ann
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coulter's and others say the big, beautiful wall was not going to be filled, and you have not kept a major campaign promise, mr. president. he responded to that political pressure from the base for fear the base would somehow abandon him if he did that. it is interesting because much of the rest of the republican party, not necessarily the base, has been very clear, we don't have the votes. remember, when he had session with pelosi and schumer in the oval office, pelosi dared him -- go ahead, if you have the votes, go ahead. >> martha: now it looks like they have the votes. >> he didn't have the votes, we will see if he does. as you pointed out in your talk with congressman meadows, this is two years of a republican majority, they didn't get it done. >> martha: lisa, how frustrated are people in your party over that fact? >> very frustrated. can i point out, first, the speech from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer is hypocritical, considering they shut down the government just as last january
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over daca, and now president trump holding his guns or the wall funding. people believe that having a physical structure at the southern border will serve as a deterrent, it matters. that is why democrats in the past have supported fencing along the southern border. a lot of democrats, in fact. in 2013, $50 billion for a border security, including 700 miles of fencing. a lot of democrats voted then. wearily we are in agreement here. >> martha: as an american citizen, just watching this, it is so ridiculous that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer stand there and argue that $5 billion is absolutely preposterous, it will never happen. out of the other side of their mouths, so much about border security. the president essentially, offered in all olive branch. let's get together and secure the border. that is what he wants to do. i think he indicated that he is
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open to technology, to other ways of doing it. are democrats really happy with people climbing across the wall and getting in? 60,000 people last month. it's ridiculous. >> to me, the key point is that he is acknowledging that democrats have voted and supported border security. it is not the case that democrats don't care about border security. >> martha: why won't they make a deal at this? >> we had border security and better ways to do it. the president and nancy pelosi said he has made this a manhood issue. >> martha: made it a personal issue! they made it perfectly clear, this is not about border security, it is about donald trump. >> this is about it being president trump's key campaign policy. democrats won't treat anything, they want to deny it president trump that victory, they don't want to give him that heading into 2020 paired on immigration, there was a key victory for president trump
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today with mexico and having asylum-seekers stay in mexico while they go through the immigration process in the united states. that is a big issue we are facing right now. you have 90% of asylum-seekers not going to get granted asylum, and a lot of people go missing while they wait for their cases to come up. they become part of that 22 million illegal immigrants living here in the country. >> martha: i want to point out one thing. >> it is political, that is the issue. it is so sad for these people trying to get into this country. they are used as political ponds, look at this from victor david hanson, why trouble never get the wall. for democrats, a successful border wall is now considered bad politics. salad bowl, growing tribalism, large numbers of assimilated immigrants added up to a politically advantageous demography for democrats in the long run, and they don't want to give that up. >> that is not what this is about.
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i think, in lots of people's minds, the republicans are fearful the democrats want to add immigrants as voters. we see a democratic shift, that is not what this is about. a judge this week said, people have a legitimate right right k asylum peered at the caravan that was supposed to be an invasion, obviously not an invasion, but the key here at this moment -- >> martha: throwing rocks and climbing over the wall, is that not an invasion? >> it's not an invasion. >> martha: 6,000 people a month? >> we are actually at a low point in terms of border crossing right now. >> martha: 60,000 people. >> we have a problem, we need comprehensive immigration reform. >> martha: we have a problem or we don't have a problem? >> congress can't get it done, but at this moment, you are hearing the president -- he is proud to have a shutdown. >> $5 billion is a drop in the bucket, and you know this. democrats just want to deny president trump a victory.
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you need 60 in the senate. >> republicans have a majority in the senate and house, it didn't get done. you have a republican president saying he is proud to have a site down. >> martha: let's see where it goes. thanks, you guys. still had tonight, senator susan collins breaks her silence, sharing her untold story about the brett kavanaugh hearings and the horrible things that happened behind the scenes. >> and there was a man who had been waiting there for me in the pouring rain and dark. i look around of the street, there is nobody else out, and he follows me to my house, starts screaming at me, shines a flashlight in my eyes. ♪ and saying, "really?" so capital one is building something completely new. capital one cafes. inviting places with people here to help you, not sell you. and savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. because that's how it should be.
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>> martha: of holiday travel wasn't enough of a pain in the neck, now there are drones, shutting down an airport in a deliberate act designed to cause maximum disruption. trace gallagher here with that story from our west coast newsroom. hello, trace. >> , martha. authorities do think this is a deliberate attempt to disrupt holiday travel, and it is working, so far hundreds of inbound and outbound flights have been canceled, affecting more than 100,000 passengers,
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like this person. watch. >> we have been here since almost midnight this morning, we were expected to find fly out,e still here, with no idea when we are going to fly. >> happened about an hour south of london, the second busiest airport in britain. most flights are within europe, but also plenty of u.s. flights to places like new york, las vegas, and orlando. the drones being used are industrial types, which are bigger and faster. the british defense ministry has brought into special equipment to assist, but it is tricky because the same jammers that disrupt radio signals between drones and operators can also disrupt radio signals between pilots and air traffic control. the drones began buzzing gatwick late yesterday, continued well into today, the airport try to open a couple of times, but
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simply couldn't. it looked. >> time we are getting ready to reopen the runway, there is another drone sighting. but i can't do is put the safeties of passengers at risk, so the airport remains closed. >> they estimate there are more than 1,000 near misses a year between planes and unmanned aircraft, and there have been some collisions, just last week a 737 struck a drone, look at the damage. it is the nose of the get bashed in. remember back in 2009 when u.s. air flight 1549 hit a flock of geese, knocking out both engines, forcing them to land on the hudson river. experts say drones pose an even bigger risk to a jet engine. they are also big enough that a high-speed collision with a plane, as you saw it earlier pierce a whole right in the fuselage. flying a drone near an airport, we should note, leads to five years in prison. >> martha: look at the damage of that plane, very serious
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stuff. it is likely to end badly at some point. trace, thank you very much. trace gallagher in los angeles. next, exclusive interview with senator susan collins. the untold story, which is incredible, behind the vitriol that was directed at her as she debated how to vote on the brett kavanaugh nomination. >> susan collins, you are out of touch with reality, and just wants to keep her job. ♪ late cake. now she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?
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and in the end, it came down to one woman. senator susan collins from maine, she voted yes and gave a speech that was heralded as one of the best ever in the history of the deliberative body. the untold story here is what susan collins endured on the way to that moment. she shared it details with us that she has never spoken of before. including men in hazmat suits sent to her home after one envelope was discovered that could have contained ricin, and another with white powder and a chilling note. >> there was an envelope that arrived a few days after the ricin envelope and letter that had white powder in it. unfortunately fortunately, the e did a great job intercepting it, and you have to treat everything like that seriously. it said anthrax ha, ha, ha.
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it was a very difficult time. my husband and our dog, parts of our house had to be quarantined. hazmat teams brought in. what was even worse was what was done to my staff. they had to be subjected to all sorts of abuse. a 25-year-old caseworker on my staff who deals with social security problems and the va and immigration answered a call in which the men told her that if i voted yes for justice kavanaugh, that she he hoped she would bed and impregnated. i lost about staffer, she just could not take the tremendous abuse that was heaped upon them. >> martha: i listen to some of the phone call message is that received. we are just going to play a bit of one of them so people can get a sense of just how brutal the treatment of the wise, and it
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will be [bleep] out. here's part of it. >> you are so [bleep]ing naive. you will go down in history as the most naive person ever to be in congress. >> martha: it is unbelievable, the rage in these people's voices. >> it was unlike anything i have seen in all the years i have been privileged to serve in the senate. there was one night i was working very late on the cavanagh nomination, i drove myself home at 9:30 at night, couldn't find a parking space, had to park a block away, and there was a man who had been waiting there for me in the pouring rain and dark. i look around the streets, there is nobody else out, and he follows me to my house, starts screaming at me, shines a flashlight in my eyes. turns on a camcorder, and it was frightening. the only funny thing about it, when i finally was frantically
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trying to unlock my door, and i turned to him and said "you stop harassing me," and he gave me his name. >> martha: that's a good idea. did they follow up? >> they did. what i will never understand is why anyone would think that i would be intimidated by those tactics. and that they would be successful in converting me or causing me to vote against judge kavanaugh, simply because i was threatened. >> martha: the fiercely contentious confirmation process for judge brett kavanaugh come i want to take you back and get your reaction. >> the whole stage for this very dysfunctional circus that occurred in this nomination was that when chairman grassley tried to give an opening statement. >> an exciting day for all of
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you here, and you are rightly proud -- >> mr. chairman, if we cannot be recognized, i moved to adjourn. >> and he was not even allowed to finish his opening statement before he was interrupted, and what was clearly an orchestrated move by some of the democratic senators. >> we are rushing through this process in a way that is unnecessary. >> i think it is a disservice to the united states senate. we are better than that, and this is not what the constitutional process of advise and consent is supposed to be about. i can only hope that this represents a rock-bottom and what has been a steady decline in the dignity and decorum of the nomination process for the supreme court nominees over the past three decades.
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>> i was pushed onto the bed, and brett on top of me. i believe he was going to rape me. >> martha: spoken with brett kavanaugh for hours and researched his background, what went through your mind when you saw that. >> it was painful, it was heart-wrenching, i believed her when she said she was terrified. but she mentioned four people who were there that night, and i felt it was very important that we reopen the fbi investigation to hear what they said. >> i've never sexually assaulted anyone, not in high school, not in college, not ever. >> martha: when i heard brett kavanaugh's rejoinder to it, i heard a man with great anguish and anger who felt falsely accused, so i felt that dr. ford certainly had endured a sexually
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trauma, or some type of incident that upended her life, but i did not find the evidence, any corroboration, in fact, that brett kavanaugh was the person who assaulted her. >> martha: some of your colleagues said when they watched his reaction, they felt that his temperament was not appropriate for a supreme court justice, and they referred it to moments like this. >> you are saying there has never been a case where you drank so much that you didn't remember what happened the night before or part of what happened? >> you are asking about blackouts -- i don't know, have you? >> could you answer the question, judge? that has not happened, is that you answer? >> yes, and i'm curious if you have. >> i have no drinking problems, judge. >> nor do i. >> martha: did you ever find his response is to be inappropriate in that hearing? >> that wasn't appropriate. we have to remember that it
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wasn't just dr. ford's accusation, but these outlandish accusations brought by micah mil avenatti and julie swetnick, that accused him of drugging girls, teenage girls, so that he could participate in gang rape, so i think the anger and angst of that he felt, and anguish about that, made him less temperate than he should have been in that response. >> martha: what was that light, you and lisa murkowski fall into that basket of moderate republicans that everyone looks to when these things happen. she decided that she could not be a "yes" ." >> we are very good friends. i had talked to her the morning of the vote, the first vote to invoke closure, and she was still undecided. we sit together on the senate floor, and she came onto the floor and sat down, and she turned to me, and i thought she
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said "i decided i can vote for him." i misheard her. so i smiled widely, and i said, i'm so relieved that we came to the right conclusion. that we came to the same conclusion. and she said, you misheard me. i said i cannot vote for him. i'm sure my face fell, but it has not in any way affected our deep friendship, and i respect her opinion, even though i reached a different conclusion. >> the politically charged atmosphere surrounding this nomination has reached a fever pitch. >> martha: you put a lot of time and thought into the speech you gave, and it got pretty much everybody stopped in the country to watch, and they didn't know what your final decision was and how you had decided to vote. >> we must always remember that
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it is when passions are most inflamed that fairness is most in jeopardy. >> martha: that line got a lot of attention. >> i felt so strongly that we were really at a critical point for our country, and if we, the senate confirmation process is not a trial, but there are certain standards that we have to abide by. if we were going to throw overboard the presumption of innocence despite the complete lack of corroborating evidence, even from dr. ford's best friend, and if we were going to dispense with fairness, the rule of law, and due process, i really feared for what our country would become, and whether anyone would be willing
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to put their name forth for public service. who would go through that? >> martha: have you spoken with him since you gave your famous speech? >> i have not. i got one text message from him right after it in which he said that he would work hard to make me proud, and the american people proud. >> martha: do you think it is rock-bottom? as claire mccaskill said, and i think she was sending a message, perhaps, to fellow democrats, that this isn't getting us anywhere, folks. >> i was so glad when claire spoke up, because i think it hurt her. i think it hurt joe donnelly and heidi heitkamp, who also lost their seats. not because of their votes so much, but because of the spectacle and the unfair treatment of both judge kavanaugh and christine ford, who asked specifically that her
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allegations be kept confidential and be handled in a closed session. >> martha: you want to st. lawrence university, as did i. a letter was circulated, 1500, something like that, the festers and alumni, wrote a scathing letter saying they wanted to rescind the two honorary degrees they had given you at your university. in the past had heralded you for your bipartisan decisions. >> it was a very painful experience, because i loved my time at st. lawrence. when i was at st. lawrence, free and open debate was encouraged, diverse viewpoints were welcomed, and i could not help but think what has happened, and our students who have more conservative viewpoints discriminated against by professors who say there is only one way to think? did they not respect the process that i went through, which i
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think everyone would concede was extremely thorough? and it made me wonder if our liberal arts colleges are no longer bastions of free speech where people can engage in healthy debate and bring differing viewpoints to the table. that is what liberal arts college and education is supposed to be all about, and that is what it was like at st. lawrence when i was there. i learned so much because of that. >> martha: what are your thoughts on the #metoo to movement. >> it has been very important for our country. it is needed and has helped to heighten awareness, and i hope that if anything good has come out of this terrible process, it is that the survivors of sexual assault will feel more
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empowered to come forward, and that they will come forward at the time of the incident, and that they will be heard. not everyone is going to be giving an accurate story, but everyone deserves to be treated with respect. >> martha: it could potentially cost you your election in 2020. are you at peace with that? >> i am. the easier vote politically clearly would have been for me to vote no, but that would not have been the right vote. and i have to live with myself. i want to be able to look in the mirror in the morning and know that i did what i felt was right, no matter what the consequences may be. my job as a united states senator is to apply my best
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judgment, and that is what i did in this case, despite tremendous pressure, horrible tactics, abuse of my family, my staff, and myself. but i really won't ever be intimidated. i have to do what i think is right, and i will let the chips fall where they may. >> martha: thanks to susan collins for sitting down with me this week. we will be right back. ♪ coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in!
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>> martha:'s on their susan collins and saying she was willing to take political risks for the sake of standing behind supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. looking now at the floor of house of representatives this evening, they are about to vote on their version to keep the government open and to fund the president's border wall that we will see where that goes, it could be a long one. in the meantime, mollie hemingway is the senior editor at the federalist and fox news contributor. a lot of breaking news, i want your thoughts. first of all, your reaction to the news about general mattis tonight? >> it is interesting. i suggested a few weeks ago on special report that it might be. i think this week showed why,
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general mattis is obviously someone externally qualified and well loved. it is also true we were not seeing the president's foreign policy being implemented by everyone in the pentagon. president trump could not have been clearer, going back to 2013, that he did not believe endless war in syria is a good idea. he has said repeatedly and consistently, and for some reason, the plans of the state department and pentagon keep putting forth involve staying there a long time. obviously, there was a conflict there. the president, according to the constitution, his commander in chief, not someone -- the responsibility is with him, and he has the right to a cabinet that supports his foreign policy. it was one of the reason the american people elected him, because he was going to depart from our foreign policy posture that involved wars. the war in afghanistan is now on its 17th year. a lot of americans say we should fight wars quickly, get them done, cheat our victory, and bring our troops home. >> martha: what about the shutdown in the president's big change of heart in the last
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24 hours, deciding that probably, politically and on principle, he needs to fight for the well? >> again, he had a campaign promise that he cared very deeply about a border wall, and it keeps on getting kicked down the road. i think it is important to fight, even important from a bipartisan -- we have a bipartisan problem with democrats and republicans avoiding dealing with serious issues on border security and border enforcement. it is good for the country to deal with it. they always seem to have an excuse for why they can't do it now. people really elect their representatives and senators, so they will address these problems, and i hope they do. >> martha: they seem to address them in the last 5 minutes of the term, then complain about they can't go home. maybe if they got their work done sooner, they might be able to. one more quick sound bite from susan collins, i want your reaction on the other side. >> it could potentially cost you your election in 2020. are you at peace with that? >> i am. the easier vote politically
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clearly would have been for me to vote no, but that would not have been the right vote. and i have to live with myself. i want to be able to look in the mirror in the morning and know that i did what i felt was righ right. >> martha: she went through a lot in that process, and she really got into it when we talked, it was quite interesting. >> i thought that was a riveting interview. we hear so much about political courage, but we rarely see it. i was so struck that she was able to withstand all of the bullying mob, and able to make the same decision even if there hadn't been a mob. >> martha: it is not the political courage we see a lot of. she said we hoped we hit rock bottom in that process. we will see. mollie, great to have you with us tonight. a quick break, it will be right back with more of "the story." stay with us --
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passed of the bill for $5 billion for the wall, we will see where it goes from here. you thought it might slow down this time of year, not so much. that is "the story" on this thursday night that we will see you tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson up next in d.c. good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." a couple weeks from now, democrats take control of the house of representatives. before that happens, one final battle remains in congress, over the wall we have been promised along the border with mexico. for two years, democrats and their allies in the republican leadership have worked hard to keep that wall from being built. they are still working to prevent it, just five days before christmas. the thinking is if they can delay funding just a few more weeks, the wall will never be built. killing the wall, of course, would be a big political win for the left, no question about that. congratulations. but there are other considerations, too, like what about america?

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