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two countries would continue in that direction. >> it's a great pleasure for things for joining us. leaderladies and gentlemen, it was a pleasure having you. jo sandra: i'm sandra smith in for chris wallace, day nine of the partial government shutdown. president trump doubled down on his border wall. >> how long do you think the you shutdown will last, mr. president? >> whatever it takes. we need safety for our country. sandra: how far apart are both sides on the deal. >> we have to work on it until we get an agreement where the majority say yes. >> where are chuck schumer and nancy pelosi? they're not stalking right now. sandra: what options are on the table. we'll discuss the showdown standoff with kellyanne conway and get an update on the negotiations with steve scalise, the number three republican in thousand. then, talks of recession, amid
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strong holiday sales and concerns over the future of the fed chair. we'll make sense of the recent market volatility with an economist. plus deaths on the border, two children in just over two weeks. >> certainly this is an absolutely tragic situation. sandra: what changes need to come to care for the thousands of minors showing up at you our southern border. and -- >> our presence in syria was not open-ended and was never intended to be permanent. sandra: president trump defends his decision to withdraw u.s. troops from syria. we'll ask our sunday panel about the pushback to bring them home, all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. we're now into the second week of a partial government shutdown. with no end in sight, and congress out until the new year. both sides digging in over funding for president trump's
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border wall. it's looking more and more like any deal will be handled by a divided government. in a home, we'll talk with white house counselor kellyanne conway. but first, rich edson with the latest in washington. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it is a week-long stalemate that appears headed into next year. president trump insists for more money for the wall, one democrats reject as immoral and ineffective. president trump says he's in washington, ready to negotiate. he tweeted, quote, i'm in the white house waiting for democrats to come on over and make a deal on border security. from what i hear, they're spending so much time on presidential harassment, they have little time left for things like stop crim stopping crime ir military. he threatened to shut down the u.s. border with mexico to pressure congress into approving billions more for the wall on the southern border many mick mulvaney says the administration has offered democrats a deal that would spend less on a wall
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than the $5 billion the president is demanding. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> reporter: he says democrats have just shut down discussions. democrats say they've offered more money for border security, though refuse to budge on wall funding. >> let's spend the money wisely. it's a large amount of money, a $5 billion of taxpayer money or it's borrowed. >> reporter: after they take control of the house thursday, democrats say they'll pass bill to fully open the government. though without agreement from the republican controlled senate and white house, the shutdown would continue. federal employees are scheduled to return to work wednesday, after the new year holiday. about 800,000 will either be furloughed or working without pay until congress funds the government and approves back pay. more federal offices say they're running out of money. the environmental protection agency says it's implementing its shutdown plan and the iconic smithsonian institution says wednesday it will close museums, research centers and the
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national zoo. sandra: rich, thank you. joining us now, kellyanne conway. kellyanne, nice to see you this morning. thank you for coming on the program. at a time where we are told the president is working on shies ts shutdown standoff on an hour by hour basis. what has changed in recent hours? >> i've spoken with the president. he said he's ready to receive a counter offer from the democrats. it's been many, many days since the house passed its $5.6 billion for border security. it's not restricted to just a wall. it'they need technological enhancements, physical barriers, the steel flats the president talked about from the oval and elsewhere. it's the border security is national security and we have a flood of drugs coming into the country, into our communities. we have obviously p an increase in gang members coming over. you saw just what happened to officer sing in california, god
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rest his soul, murdered by a criminal alien who came back into the country, should not have been here in california, a sanctuary state, in a sanctuary city. this is somebody who we've got 31 san sanctuary cities, six sanctuary states. we need democrats to come to the table and be honest with themselves and who they've been in the recent past. 39 democrats this past year voted for some kind of physician i l call barriers and -- physical barriers and border security enhancements. 10 of them voted for dhs funding. sandra: i want to dig into two things you said. the president's waiting on democrats to respond and we know that he tweeted about that. he said waiting on democrats to come on over and make a deal. what we're hearing from democrats is the president's not reaching out to us. so there's a lot of blame being thrown around. has the president directly contacted nancy pelosi, chuck schumer in recent days, has he reached out specifically to any democrat?
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>> the president had made very clear that the house passed the package and what happened here is what always happens, the senate received it and it is with them. they can counter offer. they can sign the $5.6 billion which is a modest investment in our nation's security when you think of the $800 billion they spend on a stimulus package in the last administration and list of items they fund for the billions of dollars. the 4 trill i don' trillion dol, we should have $5 billion for border security. democrats themselves have been for secure fences, they've been for border security, they've been for enhancements. i prefer chuck schumer 2006 and 2009 to chuck schumer 2018 and 2019 where he has amnesia about how he voted for the secure fences act, how he said even happened border security is a -- enhanced border security is a good way to keep out illegal immigration. we have to be honest about the flood of drug and crimes and gangs. that's not most people.
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but we do know from the dhs statistics that a number of women are saying they're being assaulted. a number of people are saying they're being assaulted. the number of children and family units that our customs and border patrol are being asked to absorb is overwhelming the system. we have a congress that failed to close a loophole. they could close the loophole and not close the border. sandra: it sounds like there's room for compromise on the part of president trump. when i hear language from you, rather than talking about a fence or other border measures, john kellly was interviewed by the l.a. times and made a bit of news saying this on the wall. it's not a wall, he said. the president still says wall, oftentimes frankly he'll say barrier or fencing. now he's tended towards steel slats. we left the solid concrete wall early on in the administration
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when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it. furthermore, on this back and forth, this was mick mulvaney, the president's acting chief of staff on friday on that issue. >> democrats have simply shut down the discussions. they did not even counter us. we went back to them by the way after the second $1.3 billion and picked a number less than 5. so actually came off of our a $5 billion slightly. they instead of coming up from their $1.3 billion left. sandra: perhaps you can use this as a message to democrats. where is the president willing to give on these issues? is it on a dollar amount? is he willing to come off that $5 billion. is it simply in the lac languag, wording of the wall or the fence. >> people who want to say wall, wall, wall, want it to be a four-word anletter word and nott what i.c.e. and border control tell us that they need. there may be a wall in some places, may be steel flats,
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technological enhancements. only saying wall or no wall is being disingenuous, turning a blind eye to a crisis at the border when it comes to the drugs pouring in. all the fentanyl that i.c.e. talked about last year, didn't walk over the border by itself. the gang members who are coming in, the folks who are coming in, the criminal aliens because the democrats voted against kate's law, sanctuary city law, now they're not coming to the table with border security. i believe the president has compromised. he originally asked for $25 billion. the house is at 5.6. they did their job. the senate has to come back. it's a modest investment. by the way, when we're talking about c.p.b. and i.c.e., if some of the democrats had their way, we wouldn't have i.c.e. or c.p.b., we wouldn't have the folks who rescued 4300 people in the last year. you hear about the tragic deaths of the migrant children. you don't hear about 4,000
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individuals who were rescued by c.p.b. sandra: the president has been tweeting about that as well, pointing fingers at democrats for what happened at the border and the loss of the children. >> it needs to be a nonpartisan issue. security is everyone's business. it's dismaying to watch the democratic senators who instead of coming to the table and talking about border security for this nation, sandra, running in 2020. clearly talking about again 202. sandra: the shutdown continues, the standoff continues. we'll see what happens here. we've got to get to a couple other things. the markets this week, while we have seen during the presidency, president trump tout record-breaking u.s. stock market, not been the case this month. the month of december alone, it's on track to be the worst month for the u.s. stock market in almost 10 years, it's down 9% this month. what is the president saying today on the state of the markets and the volatility that
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we've seen? >> the president knows that markets ebb and flow. he knows they're up from his election day. he knows he's presiding over the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, lowest ever for african americans and hispanic americans. sandra: does it concern him what's happening. >> we want the robust trump economy to continue. the fundamentals are strzok. thsecretary of treasury reported the major banks have reported there's liquid at thi liquidity. we're nearing $4 trillion in household debt, whether it's credit cards or student loans and whatnot. this president, the fundamentals are there. there's massive tax cuts and job act, boon boom to the economy wh led to raises and bonuses and repatriation of wealth that was
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overseas. the corporate tax rate went from 35 to 21%, it has spurte spurreo much growth. the job seekers, job holders, job creators have all benefited on the trump economy. he will do what it takes to keep the economy fortified. sandra: it's grea great to havu here. one other subject. on syria, the president has said, he has defended his decision to pull troops out of syria. what has been done by this administration to ease the concerns of our allies in the wake of that decision? >> well, the president told me just yesterday that he had a terrific closed door meeting in iraq when he and the first lady went to applaud our droops for the great job they're -- troops for the great job they're doing for our nation. in iraq he had a meeting and he said watch what happens, because he's got plans and he will -- i won't get ahead of his announce machine. he wanted me to convey that.
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secondly, i took note that in a major mainstream, if not left-leaning newspaper, the former u.s. ambassador to syria under president obama was applauding the president's actions to come out of syria. he says it may not be popular among some but it's the right thing to do and here's how to do it best. this president said to some of us who are around him on a regular basis, it breaks his heart to write letters again and again to the parents of those american troops who are killed in syria and that we also know that this president is cleaning up the mess left by the last administration who never took the advance of isis and syria seriously. they talked about a goofy red line, never enforced that. but this president doesn't believe in endless wars with american troops and i'm so happy that he and the first lady went iraq, went to germany and thanked the troops up he close and personal. sandra: final yes to you, kellyanne. we're covering a lot of ground
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here. you've got james mattis out january 1st. we saw the interview from john kelly. he's out january 2nd. january 3rd a new congress begins. what are the president's expectations, before you go, for the week to come and the year to come. >> first, the democrat versus to come back, nancy pelosi needs to come back from hawaii, less hula, more moolah for the dhs, customs and border control. they need to do their job, a full lee functioning democracy demands that both parties come together. the president also has been listening to the joyful noises that many democrats have been waking on your network and elsewhere, promising to work on infrastructure. with we hope that's true. that is a major priority for this president and always has been. he's a builder and he wants to see things happening. obviously keeping all of the agencies funded including dhs, reopening the government, getting the border security funding going. he's got the state of the union coming up, that's being worked on now as well.
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i think the president will continue to focus on a robust economy, immigration foreign policy and put -- and make sure that people understand that the 2.6% raise that he promised the military and reiterated this weekend, he take that to the been. he passed $700 billion for them last year, $716 billion or so for them this year and in there it's a 2.6% raise. they deserve it. they work to keep us free to allow us to have this conversation, particularly as women in a thriving democracy. sandra: always a good time to thank all of our service men and women. we'll do that this morning and kellyanne conway -- >> god bless them. sandra: thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. happy, healthy new year. sandra: let's turn now to steve scalise. welcome back to fox news sunday. covered a lot there with kellyanne conway. it is day nine of the shutdown, congressman. haven't been in d.c. for a few weeks. it is quiet in this town. when does the shutdown end,
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congressman? >> good morning, sandra. and frankly, it could end today if chuck schumer and nancy pelosi agreed with the president on the bill that we passed out of the house just a few days ago. that bill still over in the senate, it's ready to be taken up. locklook, if the senate's got ao approach border security, they ought to put the plan on the table. chuck schumer was for this in 2006. i'd be curious to know what changed. is it just that donald trump is the one that's requesting it? if he's got a better way to keep the country safe, it's incumbent upon him to show the american people what the plan is. we've got a crisis at the border. this president is trying to keep the country safe. that's what the fight is about. this could be solved today if they came to the tabl table andd here's our plan to keep the country safe. sandra: you heard kellyanne conway. she laid out where the president stands today on this. how far apart do you think the two sides are? >> i don't think it's as much that the two sides are far
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apart. it's that you've got one side that refuses to negotiate because they're so afraid of the radical left base that wants open borders. look, a lot of them campaigned on abolishing i.c.e. last year alone, i.c.e. agents, the border agents that are protecting the interior of our country, saved more than 900 children from sexual assault and human trafficking. that stuff is actually happening at the border. we're stopping a lot of it but we're surely not stopping all of it. and so you just see this cop killer in california, he was here illegally. they're bad people that are trying to cross the border. there are good people that come here le legally every day. like officer sing who came here legally to seek the american dream. how many people are getting through that we don't stop every day? >> sandra: congressman, with kellyanne we talked about this new john kelly interview with the l.a. times where he talks about the president -- he still
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says wall, oftentimes frankly john kelly said he'll say barrier or fencing, now he's tended towards steel slats. a lot of people are trying to understand the language that is being used here. the president said himself that he wanted a wall, a fence, whatever they would like to call it, referencing democrats, i'll call it whatever they want. when asked about the $5 billion figure this week, this past week, he said it's complicated, whether he was willing to come off of that number. i'm just asking the question, do you think there's more room for negotiation with this president than most people are giving himmed credit for? >> there's a lot of different items that relate to border security that we can negotiate about. let's first recognize, this is about securing our border. the president's been very clear about what he wants to do to keep america safe. he campaigned on it. he was elected on this. so again, if there's a better way that chuck schumer can put a plan on the table to keep this
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country safe, i want to see it. if he's okay by the way, with those thousands of criminals that we stop every year, how many thousands do we not stop because we don't have a secure border? that's what this fight is about. is he okay with those people coming across illegally who are criminals. in this caravan there's over 600 criminals. sandra: i'm trying to understand from you, congressman, how much you would support the president caving on some of those initial demands such as the $5 billion mark. louis gomer of the house freedom caucus urging the president to stick to his initial demands, saying he needs to hold the line until hell freezes over. if we saw the president cave on any of his demands, i wonder how you think his base and biggest supporters would respond. >> sandra, i don't think it's about caving. frankly, i don't think it should be about personalities. let's remove the personality. again, chuck schumer was for a wall before it was donald trump asking for the wall. so if he removed the personality from it, let's get to what it's
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going to take to secure the border. i'll give you one example. in law today there are prohibitions that stop the president from building the wall in certain areas where frankly we have the most porous parts of the border. we need to remove those legal limitations. there's limitations that stop him from building the wall in certain ways. there's cheaper, more cost effective ways of building the wall. the president can't do that today because the law blocks him. the law says if there's a lower cost and more effective way of securing the border, the president's legally prevented from doing that. in our bill we passed just a few days ago, we removed those legal limitations so the president can keep this country safe in the best and most cost evidence equity. heather:evidence --most cost efy possible. sandra: we asked if the president directly reached out to democrats. would you like to see the president pick up the phone and try to call nancy pelosi or chuck schumer at this moment?
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>> he had that sit-down meeting at the white house where they were adamant they didn't want to do anything that he wanted to secure the border. the bomb tom line is, -- bottom line is, there's an offer of the table. we passed it out of the house. it's still in the senate. up until january 2nd, that bill was live and active. let the senate go in and start negotiating and pass something out of the senate that secures the border and gives the president the tools he needs to keep america safe. sandra: we're looking at a big week ahead. four more days until democrats take control of the house. what are your priorities for the new congress and can you find common ground? >> well, sandra, i'd like to see us continue building on the economic success we've had. look, hard work and families -- hard working families all across the country are seeing the best economy they've seen in generations. anybody who is looking for a job right now has multiple opportunities to go and find a job. that's really positive. i want to see us build on that and allow families to have even
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more security. let's focus on also getting our fiscal house in order. we helped rebuild the military working with the president last year. the troops are about to get an important well-earned pay raise. let's focus on getting the budget balanced again and let's talk about infrastructure, there's a lot of issues we can work on in the new year. democrats have to be willing to work with the president. of you've seen a lot of focus on what they're going to do with what the president calls presidential harassment. that's not what the company wants. let's focus on getting this economy growing even better and it's doin great right great -- t right now. sandra: always great to stalk with you. thank you for spending part of your weekend with us. up next, making sense of the markets, it's been a wild ride and the economic outlook for 2019, what is it? with an internationally with an internationally respected economist, we speak to in my ethnicity i have all sorts of things
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sandra: we wanted to get some unique perspective on this week's wild swings on wall street and to make sense of those big market moves. we decided to bring in mohammed alirian, an economic advisor. he also served as chairman of president obama's global development council. wonderful to have you on the program this morning. thank you. if i could first ask you, i know you had a chance to listen to the interviews before this, kellyanne from the white house and congressman scalise, and it's an interesting moment for
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this country where wall street is reflecting the actions of the white house and congress, perhaps in a bigger way than we have seen historically. can you weigh in on that? and sort of provide some clarity on what we're seeing in the markets today. >> to understand what is happening on wall street, and that is volatility, unsettling volatility and the worst december in history, you have to look beyond washington. yes, washington is an added factor, but there are three things going on. one, the global economy has become more uncertain. not because of the u.s. the u.s. is doing fine. but because of europe and because of china. two, central banks have changed behavior. they are no longer buying securities. they're no longer keeping interest rates really low. the fed and the european central bank are tightening liquid at this. finally, behavior has changed on wall street.
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it's no longer about buying every dip. it's about selling every rally. so there's a lot going on and this is being amplified by computer trading. it's really important to get the focus back on what's working and that's the u.s. economy. sandra: you hear the r word thrown a lot, recession, these days. are concerns of one, are they overdone at this point or is that becoming a reality? >> it's certainly not becoming a reality. you would need either a major policy mistake or a massive market accident to push us into recession. but we will slow down unless we build on the pro growth policies. i think the reference to infrastructure is an important one. you can get both parties to support that and an infrastructure effort would increase productivity. you could do it through private/public partnerships and importantly, it would build on what has been done so far to get
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us to a higher growth platform. sandra: there's been a lot of talk about the president's open criticism of the federal reserve and i just -- i know you just mentioned the risk to the markets that the federal reserve poses with these interest rate hikes. the president's been critical of the hikes, saying the only problem our economy has is the fed. and he's been critical since he took office. it was a couple years ago, he said th fed is obviously not independent. how does that open criticism from the u.s. president, how does that affect markets? >> it's certainly unusual. i think even the fed is understanding that it needs to communicate better. it needs to do two things in particular. one, show that it is more sensitive to markets and what's happening outside. the risk of spillbacks, what the president has called get a better feel for what's going on. and that's a communication issue that i think the fed has
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understood, judging from what we've heard from the president of the new york fed. and then second, the fed has to realize that it cannot keep a really important policy tool on automatic pilot. that it needs to be more sensitive to what's happening. and i think that the fed can regain control and we can stop the self-inflicted wounds. sandra: do you think the president's criticism of jerome powell and his actions as the federal reserve chairman, are they warranted? >> no, i think the president has a point in saying fed, get a feel for what's going onioned the strict narrow domestic economy. i think you don't want to cross over too much the line of central bank independence. central bank independence is very important for economic stability and economic stability is key to economic growth. and inclusive growth that brings up everybody's well-being. so i think there is a point in telling the fed be more sensitive about the spillbacks
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but you want to maintain the autonomy of the central bank. sandra: there is one trading day left in 2018 and that of course is tomorrow and the dow is on pace to suffer its worst month, dating back to 2009. there's obviously concern on main street. if you could, look out into the new year, and tell us what you see as far as the economy and the stock market, what are the biggest risks and the biggest assets at this moment? >> i think the most likely outcome is decoupling. the economy will remain strong, growing at 2.5 to 3%. wages will continue to rise at 3% or north of that. and the economy on a standalone basis will look fine. but because of what's happening in the rest of the world, because liquidity conditions have changed, markets will remain volatile. so don't be surprised if you see these thousand point swings in the dow. that is our new reality for a while. and it reflects the fact, sandra, that we're coming from a
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very good 2017. people forget that, everything went right in 2017. higher returns, no volatility, and great correlation. so i think of this as a normalization. it doesn't feel good in the short term but it's okay over the long term. sandra: you say it doesn't feel good. just last week it was monday, christmas eve, it was the worst christmas eve performance for the u.s. stock market on record. everybody came back from christmas day, wednesday, the dow rose more than 1,000 points in a single session. it was the largest single day point gain in stock market history. it was really a historic week. we look forward to 2019. you sound pretty optimistic. thank you. it was nice to speak with you this morning. >> thank you. sandra: up next, we bring in our sunday group to discuss what it will take to
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the one thing we should all want to do, no matter what our political philosophy might be is to keep the lights on. >> the needle has moved to a very long shutdown, because of the impasse we're sealing and the unwillingness of democrats to engage in meaningful dialogue. sandra: jim mcgovern and mark meadows on the chances of ending the government shutdown which is now in the second week. it is time now for our sunday group. washington post columnist and former bush white house chief writer and ann gearin of the washington post and charles hurt. thank you all for being here. in between the holidays this week, it's wonderful to have you. happy flew year to you. mark, what is it going to take? this town is pretty quiet. >> it's quiet because nancy pelosi is on the beach, sunning herself in hawaii.
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the democrats are getting a littllittle cocky. donald trump is offering compromises. donald trump came in, saying he wanted $5 billion for a wall. he's cut that in half to $2.5 billion. sandra: he's willing to call it a fence. >> so he's offering reasonable compromise on this thing. right now, he owns the shutdown because he started the shutdown, because he claimed the mantel of the shutdown. over time, if the democrats refuse to negotiate, they're going to own the shutdown. what americans want is a compromise. they agreed to $1.3 billion already. donald trump is asking for 2.5. in committee, the democrats voted for 1.6. the difference between 1.6 and 2.5 in washington is a rounding error. we're shutting down the government over this? it's ridiculous. sandra: you say what? >> for at least another few days, remind everyone that the congress and the white house is controlled by the same party,
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the republican party. it's taken two years to get to the point where nothing has happened. so let's just not make this all of a sudden nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's point. i think we have a weird dynamic here. this is the least sort of urgent shutdown i -- i don't know how w many i've lived through. nobody seems to care. sandra: that could change in the next couple days. >> the president doesn't seem to mind the shutdown, seems consistent with his brand, with what his people want. you were talking bought the president caving. he has. he's caved to the far right and i think democrats to some extent are watching this play out. i haven't seen mitch mcconnell or paul ryan, i don't know if they're in hawaii or if they're in some southern pacific island. >> issue of securing the border is not some cave to the right wing. that is actually a far more bipartisan -- if you go beyond the beltway here, a far more
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bipartisan issue. it's why donald trump won the election in 2016. he was listening to people, not just the right wing base of the republican party. but to voters in general. and the big picture optics here are far better for president trump than they are for democrats. you have a situation like you have, that tragic, tragic killing of a police officer in california where you have a legal immigrant serving his community, killed by an illegal criminal member of a mexican american street gang. an issue -- who never should have been in the country in the first place. an issue like that, if we were in the sort of crazy time with the media and politics in this country, a story like that would sort of be defining everything that we talk about. and you can say that donald trump does own the shutdown because of the comments that he made but by the same tokeen, you could say the democrats -- if the democrats went along with
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this and agreed the way they have in the past to secure the border, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. sandra: nobody is talking about this right now. that's the problem, right, and the white house isn't talking to the democrats and the democrats aren't calling the white house. >> kellyanne conway earlier in the program issued an invitation, said the president is here at the white house, waiting for a call, waiting for democrats to come and visit. i think at this point democrats feel that they have a whole lot less to lose from a prolonged shutdown, than the president does. that calculation may change, to your point, that definitely could change. but the optics of nancy pelosi in hawaii are not something that we've heard a great deal of discussion about. instead, the optics of the california shooting and the optics of two dead guatemalan children are defining the border part. >> it's not fair to say there's
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been no discussion of border security. president trump tweeted a few times yesterday, literally blaming the democratic party for the deaths of these two children. you can not talk about politicalization -- >> the democrats have been blaming him for the deaths. >whilechildren.>> while childree saying the conditions under his administration and the overcrowding in the border control facilities are outrageous and they're trying to blame it on him. how can they blame donald trump for the death of the children when the democrats won't fund border security so the facilities won't be overcrowded. sandra: this is a tragic situation. we had the response from the white house, obviously everyone agrees that is a tragic situation, the loss of these two children. both sides clearly want to find a solution for this. can they? >> yes. i mean, i think there's a solution. two things here. there's definitely a solution to the shutdown, really all that would have to happen there is
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both sides say they are going to reach a deal and then you can end the shutdown. they don't actually have to have a signed piece of paper. that is possible. i think that doesn't realistically happen until after january 3rd. so, yeah. sandra: by the way, if -- i believe sonny hoyer, nancy pelosi, they'll put legislation on the floor, january 3rd, will the president just veto anything that doesn't have a wall in it? >> absolutely. he should. this is a bigger issue than just the shutdown. this goes to the entire legislative agenda for the democratic congress coming in in 2019. the democrats should be celebrating right now. they having donald trump desperately wants. money for a border wall. there's a technical term for this, called leverage. what you do is when you have leverage, you use it to get something. donald trump is willing to negotiate. so if you have leverage, you can get -- they could get donald trump to agree to daca, they could get donald trump to agree if they want to 11 million
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illegal immigrants getting -- they could use it for health care. >> i'm going to defend donald trump for a second. donald trump did try to negotiate on daca and immigration security and he got his head handed to him and not by me and not by my party but by this party and many people on this channel. >> that's not what happened. >> that's exactly what happened. >> sandra: mark, your final thought. >> if the democrats are smart, they have to decide are they the resis dance oresistance or a gog majority. if they want to get things done, you use leverage to get something in exchange for it. there's nothing morally wrong with building a wall. five years ago, every democrat in the senate voted for the gang of eight bill which president obama agreed to sign that not only funded 700 miles of border fencing but said not one illegal immigrant will be given permanent residency until the wall is complete. five years ago under president
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obama. because donald trump wants it they're going to stand on this hill. get something done. >.sandra: we've got to take a break right here. when we come back, how will president trump's plan to pull out u.s. troops in syria affect the strategy ahead in the middle east? our sunday g
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i will go first to you, charlie. as far as the president's -- he is defending this move, this week. we have seen him do it on several occasions. but what is the administration doing, however, was my question to kellyanne conway, to ease the concerns of our allies who may have been caught offguard by this move? >> certainly that is an issue. i think everybody feels for the kurds who have been fighting, that we've been fighting alongside in syria. it's a tough situation. but all of this strum and drag we hear from both parties about the withdrawal, the mistake made in syria was not made by donald trump pulling out. the mistake was made when we didn't have the debate before going into syria in the first place. i know mark and a lot of smart people around here can make good arguments for why we should be -- why american troops should be
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in syria, but the american people don't know what the reason is. fighting isis is the only reason that they've ever been given. congress has never debated this. this has not been something -- quite frankly, americans are tired of this sort of endless wars and after immigration it's a big reason why donald trump got elected. sandra: that's not right. the american people have been given at least three different reasons for why troops are there. you can debate the merits of any of them. but the counter-isis mission was the original one, 2015, first one in. then you have the two reasons that have been offered, the obama add medicin administratioo reasons offered additionally under trump, which is countering iran and countering russia. both potentially valid military national security issues. but those are three different reasons. john bolton having argued most
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forcefully the counter iran one. those things are not being mentioned. >> being given reasons is different from congress debating and voting on something. >> of course. >> and authorization of military force to fightal da after 9/11 -- fight al-qaida after 9/11. it's the same terrorist organization we were fighting after 9/11 in iraq. donald trump campaigned, everyone says president trump campaigned on with drawing from syria. when obama pulled out, there were 700 al-qaida, a ad cordingo john brennan, there were 700 al-qaida fighters left. there became tens of thousands. today in syria there are 30,000 isis fighters. the intelligence believes they are more powerful than before the bush surge.
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they have stolen $400 million from iraq. 9/11 cost al-qaida $100,000. this is a -- they are not defeated. yes, donald trump has done a very powerful thing in driving them out of the physical kalifait, but they are not defeated yet. and if we pull out our troops and we abandon the kurds and the arabs we trained to fight them, they're going to come back and we're going to pay for it at home. >> why not go to congress and get that specific approval? i don't know would have a problem with that. sandra: perhaps an interesting voice that emerged among all this criticism was robert ford, senior fellow at the institute, he penned a piece, trump, syria decision was essentially correct. here's how he can make the most of it. he says it was essentially correct but why the unpopular move. he goes on to make the point
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that this was the right thing for president trump to do. >> i think you have to disa dis ambiguate a few things why we're in syria, what have we done since and why are we leaving now and how was that announced. there's plenty of blame to go around for everyone for those things. it's an honest conversation to talk about why we're in syria. as mark pointed out, it's not honest to say that we did our job, we have wiped out isis. that is disingenuous. that is basically lying. and that is not right. but for -- again, syria's a wicked problem. this isn't as simple as obama should have fixed it, hillary would have fixed it, trump is messing it up. you can't say we've had an inadequate debate about syria, we're in there and we don't know why and wake up one day and not have a debate even with your own team and just announce it to the
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country. that is an odd solution to having a healthy debate. sandra: real quick, before i give charlie the last word on this. robert ford, said in any case u.s. troops can destroy the isis state ideology. >> the reason president trump isn't talking about wanting to have a big debate, it's because he's listened to the american people and they don't have patience for this. sandra: thank you so much to our panel. up next, we revisit a few of the interesting people chris featured as his power players of the week in 2018.
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sandra: most sundays at this time you'll find chris wallace here, sharing the inspiring or interesting stories of those he met in and around washington. 2018 brought some particularly memorable encounters. here are a few highlights from this year's power players of the week. >> he'll sit and hold a pose and wait until you get a lot of shots. it's really adorable. he's kind of a pr primadonna. chris: she's talking about the pet bunny, the main character in a book called marlin brundo's day in the life of the vice
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president. >> you know who this is, don't you? whisper it. >> marlin, this is chris wallace. mr. chris wallace. >> this is justify. he is a big boy, as you can see. chris: bob introduced me to the latest kentucky derby winner on thursday. he said he intimidates other horses and trainers before he gets on the track. >> when they see him in the paddock, it's like the scene from jawings jaws you need a bir boat. that's him. >> i said maybe this is what i'm supposed to do. chris: at age 63, washington is more about giving back. >> you never see a u-haul behind a hearse. whatever you have, you can't take it with you. what will you do with what you have while you're here. >> i know i'm classified as a hire row very often. i'm keep saying i'm not the hero. the heros didn't get home.
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chris: meet herschel, the only marine from world war ii to receive the medal of honor who is still living. in 2010 he started a foundation to honor gold star families who have lost a loved one in battle. >> these monuments gather these gold star families together and they become friends for the first time, many of them will say to me i thought i was alone. now, they're together. >> our people are always in need of a hot meal. that's what we do. chris: jose is a world famous chef with more than 30 restaurants across the u.s. >> we're finishing it using the same sauce. chris: this week, he and his team are in the florida panhandle, cooking tens of thousands of meals for people digging out from hurricane michael. >> we do what we do, making sure that everybody will have a hot
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plate of food. >> here i am, a country girl from the smoky mountains, now with the stories about my mom and dad, it's going to be here forever in the library of congress. chris: tolll dolly gave us ae concert about the coat and her family and what led her to share her dream with so many children. ♪ in my coat of many colors that my mama made for me. ♪ made only from rags but i wore it so proudly. ♪ although we had no money, i was rich as i could be. ♪ in my coat of many colors mama made for me. because she made it just for. sandra: chris will be back here next sunday. can't to see what power players are in store for the new year. that's it for today. have a happy new year, everyone and we'll see you next fox news
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sunday. howie: on our buzz meter this sunday, with the government shutdown in the second week -- >> he visited a war zone and it sounds like he was pretty concerned about his safety. >> he was freaked out about his safety. >> he seems to have confused this visit with a campaign rally. >> i give credit to the president for make the trip and taking the first lady which is an historic first. >> you have to give him credit for doing the right thing a

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