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fox nation. a new podcast drop today, shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team, they will have a big presser, good luck with that. >> shannon: thank you so much, you're busy later. we begin with this fox news alert appeared breaking tonight, the president and north korean dictator getting down to brass tacks one-on-one over nuclear weapons. what will they agree to? meaningful reductions, inspections, limitations on material? regardless of what happens, will the president get any credit from his critics? these two are expected to speak any moment as they bring in advisors for an expanded meeting. we will take you live to be in may minutes for the historic second summit is happening right now. and michael: set a lot today but what, if any of it, was new? or really matters for the president? britt whom on cohen and the
summa in minutes. welcome to "fox news @ night," i am shannon bream in washington. we've got team coverage here with analysis of the cohen hearing and the kim to summit. katherine harris with the latest on the president's former attorney. we begin right now in hanoi as we wait to hear from trump and kim. >> it appears that they are really enjoying their alone time, trump and kim jong-un. the one-on-one meeting went much longer than expected. we are somewhere in between this one-on-one meeting and expanded bilateral meeting. it right, president trump is meeting with secretary of state mike pompeo, and they are going to open up into this bigger, extended bilateral meeting, then the working lunch, then they are going to be signing some kind of joint agreement. at the big question is what exactly are they going to be
signing? president trump certainly seem to be lowering expectations when he first sat down with a kim jong-un this morning. listen to this. >> i can't speak necessarily for today but i can say that it is a little bit longer term and over a period of time i know we will have a fantastic success with respect to chairman kim and north korea. i've been saying from the beginning that speed is not that important to me. i very appreciate testing nuclear rocket missiles, any of it. very much appreciated. >> though two leaders then took a walk around the pool at the historic hotel, but in order for the summit to be more than just photo ops, president trump is going to need some concrete concessions from the north koreans. administration officials are pushing back on nbc report that they are no longer demanding that north korea agreed to
disclose the full accounting of its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile program. one official told fox, we have not given up on that list. another one said, not only is that list still on the table, it is the table. as for kim jong-un, he sounded pretty optimistic heading in to the talk. he even answered a question from the u.s. journalist for what is believed to be the very first time. >> reporter: are you confident, chairman kim? >> translator: it is hard to tell, but i would say that i am confident. for what i feel right now, i have a feeling for good feeling right now. >> all of this is happening hours after that blockbuster testimony on the hill for michael cohen. he claimed that one of the president's testimony and changes previous prepared
remarks to congress, the one that he later pleaded guilty to lying to congress about. at the testimony by michael com1, the attorney for the president edited or changed his statement to congress, is completely false. one of the other big questions that we still don't have an answer to is whether or not president trump stayed up late or woke up early to watch some of cohen's testimony before his big meeting with kim jong-un today. as i said, we still don't know if that happened. i'm sure he knew some parts of it but whether or not he actually watched it remains unclear. at the very least, it was a big, unwanted distraction heading into these very important negotiations with a nuclear nation. >> shannon: we are going to go live, live look of the president sitting down across the table from north korean chairman kim jong-un. they have had their own talks, the expanded conversation come
easy nick mulvaney of the white house, secretary mike pompeo, and national security advisor john bolton as well. at the president motioning that they are just about ready as the cameras are there and they will make some live remarks. for now, little chitchat. those two will again have had a lot of their own time to discuss together the president has talked quite a bit about their family relationships. some of his critics say, you are talking to a dictator who has been known to have very harshly treated members of his own family appeared and north korea as a whole. we are waiting for something of substance as they get ready here and chat a bit about what they will say. let's listen in for a minute here and see if we can hear something. [speaking foreign language] >> i think they are anxious and they are calm. >> we are discussing everything.
i just want to thank everybody for being here, we are having very productive discussions, we will see where it all goes but we are having very productive discussions and we appreciate it. i think we are having a press conference, right or wrong? then we will be heading out, back to our respective homes. but i think we have had very, very productive discussions, and the relationship is as good as it has ever been. i think better. go ahead. [reporter question] [speaking foreign language] [reporter question] >> more political what?
[reporter question] >> whatever happens, we will ultimately have a really good deal that is good for chairman kim, for this country, and for us. that is where it's leading. it doesn't mean we are doing it a one day or two days, but it is all leading towards a very big success, and i really believe that with this great leadership, i believe north korea is going to be very successful. economically, it is going to be something very, very special. go ahead. [speaking foreign language] >> reporter: [reporter question]
>> yeah, i think we will. i think we will. it's actually an interesting question, i would actually like to hear that answer. it is actually not a bad idea. [speaking foreign language] >> i think it is something we should welcome aboard. despicable to be welcomed today? announce? >> i actually think it is going to be talked about. >> shannon: you are looking at live now here, the president and kim jong-un having expanded discussions with their staffers. it is a little bit of a translation from korean to english and back and forth but we are dipping into getting a little bit of what the president says, he is predicting success for both sides.
>> thank you very much. [speaking foreign language] >> thank you. >> shannon: okay, they are wrapping up the conversation they have been having peer to the president and north korean chairman kim jong-un spending a very extended amount of time together but we see them having this expanded conversation with their staffers. i want to bring you back if you are still there because you are there on the ground and we saw this in singapore as well, they had an allotted time to spend together and it went on and on and on. they talked about this great relationship that they have, so it seems more of the same today, and the fact that when these two were face-to-face alone together or with translators, they really like to spend time together and continue the conversation, despite what official timeline there is. >> yeah, that seems to be the
case. heading into this summit, the one thing that everybody has been consistent about on capitol hill from both republicans and democrats has been, we want to see some concrete, specific steps toward the denuclearization. the singapore summit was all about these photo ops, but this time in hanoi, in order for this to be deemed a success, there has to be some concrete, deliverables. we don't know what those deliverables are, or if there are even going to be any. we are a few hours away, perhaps an hour away from this signing ceremony, some kind of an agreement, but we don't know what the details of this agreement are. we certainly need more insight as to what those details might be, what we just heard from president trump and north korean leader kim jong-un. some ideas that have been talked about as a possible formal and to the korean war, although that would require congressional approval.
they've also talked about opening liaison offices in the u.s. of north korea. and eventually allowing inspectors in to view the dis- nuclear facilities, but we just don't know. there is the option that president trump could ease up sanctions on north korea before denuclearization, so there is just so many variables, so until we know for sure what is on that table, we just don't know if this summit is going to be a success in the eyes of republicans and democrats on capitol hill. for the white house and for president trump, from their point of you, they say that simply sitting down and simply having these meetings and building this relationship, that that in and of itself is a success. >> shannon: if you will stand by, thank you very much. this is rapidly moving and changing. we saw the timeline last night,
they're having this extended bilateral meeting after an extended personal conversation. there is also going to be a working lunch before the ceremony and we don't know what will be included. at the details or anything else. all this is happening live. extended coverage here on our show until 1:00 a.m., so we will take you back to vietnam. each time we hear from these leaders and what progress they think they are making or not, but any time there is anything live in vietnam, we are keeping an eye, we will take you back there appeared in the meantime, i want to take you to our guests. steve hilton, hudson institute rebecca heinrichs, and from the king's college in new york city, brian brian burg. welcome to all of you. earlier that we planned but these tablets have been very fluid. 12 hours difference from the east coast. i want to bring you in on something we mentioned at the end, you shouldn't give credibility to a leader like this by sitting down and talking to him, and others say that it is a deliverable on some levels that they are having these conversations, the missile
testing has stopped, but as the president keeps managing expectations, this is not going to happen overnight. it has been decades in the making. >> that's exactly right, that is what the foreign policy establishment has set as the bar for success. basically, they want to trump to have success, they would rather not see him fail. that is my assessment of where they are, you've got to have the concrete deliverables. that is the phrase that they use, but the truth is, the process itself is a deliverable. at the fact that we are here with this intention compared to where we were a year and half or so ago and compared to where we have been for decades, that is a huge success, and it seems to me that if it was any other president, republican or democrat, who had achieved these two big things, remember. first of all, getting china on board with the pressure campaign that brought north korea to this point. secondly, completely changing this relationship so the tension
has gone out of it. they will be hailed as a foreign policy genius. but with trump, that hasn't happened. regardless of what is announced, the fact they are sitting down, that is great progress and he should be recognized for that. >> shannon: it rebecca, where we were a couple years ago versus now, no major denuclearization or leaps and bounds but a lot of people would say, even the president's critics, there has been some incremental progress in taking the temperature down from where it was a couple years ago. we've got some fox news polling in which people were asked, how likely do you think a military contact is with north korea compared to two years ago? 41% say it is about the same. 32% say it is actually less likely. we now have 73% of the polls saying they think it is the same or better than it was two years ago and we have seen other polling that people are giving the president a plus when it comes to approval or disapproval on how he is handling north korea. >> president trump certainly deserves an enormous amount of
credit for reducing the risk compared to what he inherited from the previous administratio administration. he should get credit for taking this by the reins and saying, we are not going to do this at the lower levels, i am actually going to meet with kim himself because i am determined to solve this problem, or at least make progress. we have to be careful, there is a fine line because if we get to the point where we have given kim this legitimacy in the eyes of the world that he is no longer looked at as a dictator and a pariah, which he is, then he might say, why do i have to get rid of my nuclear weapons? if we are now friends and you were going to give me this legitimacy, that maybe i don't have to get rid of my nukes, then he can have both. at the legitimacy and his nukes. we don't want that to happen, so the administration deserves kudos for continuing to say, we are not going to be done with this problem until every last bit of nuclear technology, the missiles that are entering the
united states are out of the country. it's not enough just for kim to lower the nuclear guns. he really needs to get out of country, so the president at this point needs to just keep the pressure on. i like how he said it is not going to be solved in one or two days. and no deal is better than a bad deal and that is what president trump has to keep in mind at the summit. >> shannon: there has been a lot of use of carrot and stick. we have seen where president trump talked about the fire and fury that he would rain down on "rocket man." now they seem a little bit more friendly. we know they can change on a dime but the president again, moments ago, he hit on something the administration is trying to hammer again and again. you can have a great economy. he talked about, it will be something very special and successful in north korea. in the president to be trying to really sweeten those incentives, saying to north korea, things can be so much better for your country and your people and your economy if you will meet us halfway on some of these concessions with your nuclear
program, but will they do it? is that enough? >> look, this is kim jong-un we're talking about here. he has been very willing to put his people through significant hardship. a significant hardship is a euphemism here. life in north korea is utter poverty. he is not afraid to keep that u up. i don't think economic incentives are going to be enough for him alone, but i do think it is compelling. they are meeting in vietnam. vietnam is a very interesting story of economic development. a country that was in a position like north korea that is now experiencing much more prosperity. i think the president is willing to use both a carrot and a stick. remember, when he was coming into this negotiation, the knock on him was that he was going to give away the store, take a big headline and call it a victory. now we see him taking a much more sober, realistic, long-term approach, and the knock on him is that he is not getting enough time. he is never going to -- critics want it both ways. he is not going to be able to
please all of his critics but what he is doing is taking a very smart, wise approach, using the tools available to him to get done what he can get done at the moment. >> shannon: all right, so much more to break down as we stand by beard panel, please stand by. we are going to head back to hanoi live, these ongoing negotiations heading into a working lunch. we will keep an eye there, take you back if anything breaks. in the meantime, we've got catherine heritage on the cohen hearing today. and the next event in hanoi, we will take you there live. yeah, i thought doing some hibachi grilling would help take my mind off it all. maybe you could relieve some stress by calling geico for help with our homeowners insurance. geico helps with homeowners insurance? they sure do. and they could save us a bundle of money too. i'm calling geico right now. cell phone? it's ringing.
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self-described fixer, bowing to tell the truth this time. michael: dominic saying that resident trump is a cheat, a fraudster, a cheat, and a felon. catherine herridge is tracking it all. >> today's testimony indicates that president trump's major exposure may be in new york and not in russian collusion. michael cohen specifically testified that he was instructed not to talk about conversations that took place after nfpa speak of this is being investigated by the southern district of new york and i have been asked by them not to discuss these issues. >> the president's long serving a now disgraced attorney going in front of congress, telling
lawmakers he needs to fix one more thing. >> i am here under oath to correct the record, to answer the committee's questions truthfully and to offer the american people what i know about president trump. >> cohen not mincing his words. >> i am ashamed because i know what mr. trump is. he is a racist, he is a con man, and he is a cheat. >> from the outset, republicans urged their colleagues not to forget cohen the track record with the truth. >> the first announced witness is a guy who who is going to pn in two months for lying to congress. >> cohen testified that he decided to lie about a trump tower real estate project. he was not directed by the president to mislead congress. >> he lied about it because he never expected to win. he also lied about it because he stood to make hundreds of
millions of dollars. >> cohen said the president signed checks along with his son in 2017 to cover payments to silence stormy daniels, who claimed an affair with the president. appear to speak of the payments were designed to be paid over the course of 12 months. >> was there a retainer agreement? >> there was no retainer agreement. >> mr. julian massage told mr. stone that within a couple of days there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage hillary clinton's campaign. >> and cohen claimed the president was other descriptions. >> you are a pathological liar. you don't know truth from falsehood. >> are you referring to me or the president? >> hey! this is my time! >> i am going to prison. i will be away from my wife and family. >> they are not convinced about cohen's moral awakening,
claiming he has a lot to gain peer >> testimony could help you and getting sentence lessened. >> i'm not really sure how my appearance here today is providing substantial information that the southern district can use. >> late today, mark meadows took the initial steps to make a criminal referral against cohen alleging violations of the foreign agents' registration act for cohen's work on behalf of kazakhstan and other nations. he is back on the hill for a third day of testimony, this time behind closed doors. >> shannon: catherine herridge on the hill, thank you. with the partisan tone is set early in today's hearing, top republicans wondered about the timing of the cohen hearing itself. >> i think it is poor form to have it while the president is literally talking with kim jong-un about giving up his nuclear weapons program. if we had done something like
this, people in the media business would be pretty average for good reason. >> shannon: at let's go there beard fox news sr. analyst, great to have you with us, your reaction to the cohen hearing that we saw? >> it was good television, there was a lot of conflict and a lot of sparks flying, overall i found the whole thing pretty depressing. first of all, look at michael cohen. he is a broken man. he is broken because he committed crimes and he got nailed for it and now he is doing everything he can to try to make things easier for himself. it is clearly in his interest to do everything he can to harm the man for whom he served for ten years and all sorts of ways, many of them at dbs. that is the sad part of it, him and his family. and the rest of it was, it is hard to know whether they will be more troubled by the fact that trump would employ such a
man for ten years, or whether to be depressed by the fact that the committee decided to make this guy, the first public hearing in the new congress, their star witness. i thought it was pretty grim. >> shannon: an interesting piece and some tweets about how this was a mixed bag for the g.o.p. because they wanted to go after him and the fact that he is going to jail for lying, then you have asked him here to be sworn in and talk about things under oath. byron said, the g.o.p. also could've used him as a positive in some cases. he shot down a number of rumors by saying he couldn't verify that they were true, or thought they weren't true, and he couldn't offer any concrete evidence of collusion. he think it is a mixed bag for them. it is clear the democrats were hoping to use cohen to his advantage. this started out, the special counsel about russian collusion today. we see we have gone to something completely different. here is a democrat socialist alexandria acadia cortez today. >> to your knowledge, was the
president interested in his regional tax bills? >> yes. what you do, you deflate the value of the asset and you put in a request to the tax department for a deduction. >> shannon: so that is where we are now, from russian collusion to taxes. >> we have come a long way from the original charge, and i think there is a sense among democrats and others as well that robert muller is not going to deliver the goods to them on the issue, and that will leave them looking for other things with which to try to bring this president down. make no mistake, that is what they are trying to do. they are trying to bring this president down. it was striking, as you suggested, some of the things cohen testified you were actually helpful for the trump site. for example, we know the dossie dossier, it had added center of the claim that cohen had gone to prague to meet with russians to set up collusion.
and cohen said all along that he never went to prague and here today he said it again under oath, blows up something that has been a part of the conspiracy story a long time, if we can believe him. in that sense, in a way, the republicans were sort of hurting their own cause by disparaging his credibility when he did in fact say several things that were kind of helpful to the trump side. >> shannon: it of course the white house would like to focus tonight and tomorrow on what is happening in vietnam, the president sitting down with north korean leader kim jong-un. there was a lot of focus on what can and can't be accomplished. people already criticizing him with the president hasn't even had the substantive sit down to find out what is going to come from this. some people simply want of the president a chance regardless. interesting, our most recent polling shows average of folks who were polled here, they are giving their highest marks yet to the president on this issue of how he's doing with north korea.
the approval has grown, the disapproval dropped a bit and it seems right now, this is a good topic for him and the white house. >> this is unmistakably presidential behavior. only presidents can really do this. and no one else in the united states, the government or outside of the government, in or out can sit down and negotiated with a foreign leader in this way. and people approve of that, that is what they expect presidents to spend their time doing, at least in part. at this is the kind of thing that can only help the president as long as he doesn't have some kind of fiasco in which he comes away claiming some great triumph and it turns out not to be substantive at all, and some people are worried about that possibility. my sense about this is he may well make some progress here. everybody knows that north korea has done a practically nothing with regard to actual denuclearization, and the president, i think, is prepared to be patient on this. but he will kind of need to come out of this with something moving forward. may be an end to the korean war,
going ahead with denuclearization. he also has to be concerned about the sanctions of sticking. i don't think the president will list the sanctions he has imposed on north korea unless and until there is a denuclearization, but the sanction regime appears to be leaking with help from russia and china. north koreans are getting things that the sanction regime should not permit. and that a problem. if the north koreans aren't uncomfortable because of the sanctions, it is a good question if they are going to give out much of anything. >> shannon: what the motivation will be. there are a lot of competing interests. thank you very much for joining us tonight. always appreciate appear >> thank you, shannon >> shannon: up next, president trump and the north korean leader expected to speak at any moment. already making history tonight as kim speaks to the cameras. he rarely hear from him. we will show you more and tell you about what he had to say. we will take you back alive to be a known for all the latest.
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>> shannon: michael cohen's public hearing in front of the house oversight committee. "the new york times" at a panel of live experts posting a minute-by-minute updates. that panel generally agreed that little in today's testimony formed the basis of new testimony against of the president though cohen suggested there is an ongoing investigation in the southern district of new york, separate from mueller. and former deputy attorney general, john u. welcome to you both. >> good evening. >> shannon: i want to play a little bit of michael cohen's conversation with the congressman about what could be going on at the southern district of new york, that we will explain a debate. >> is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding donald trump and that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes, and again, those are
part of the investigation that is currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> shannon: we know they have been looking into all kinds of things, the trump administration, the trump organization. how worried should we be that the southern district is looking into these things? >> there is good news and bad news for trump, you can see how mueller close to the investigation down, there's no way he could put a guy like michael cohen on the stands. even if cohen is telling the truth, doesn't sound like he provided much information. the bad news, it doesn't sound like an investigation is going on in new york city. they are clearly looking at trump organization finances, and where the money was going. it seems like they are trying to ask, where has the trump organization been getting the money to make these investigations when they were
cut off from credit organizations when they went bankrupt in the '90s. you can't tell where the investigation is going. >> shannon: folks who support the presidents a couple of good things for him today, michael cohen came there is somebody who is getting ready to go to jail because of lying, but he also swatted out a couple of rumors against the president. here's what kellyanne conway had to say about any russian collusion allegations. >> this all started as a hunt for collusion with russia. the chief witness today for the democrats for the 2020 democrats, they were busy raising money off the testimony today while it was happening. the chief argument that they made that there was collusion with russia was not proven today, and mr. cohen said there is no evidence of that. >> shannon: what about that? >> i agree with that, and i actually agree with everything john just said but i think we haven't heard all the evidence yet. i think the fat lady hasn't sung. the good news for trump today was that there was no evidence
about the central question, the mueller investigation, which is a data trump conspire illegally with the russians? and i think there is no new evidence that suggested that. that is the good news. the bad news for trump today was the reputational stuff that michael cohen talked about, about a trump basically being a bad person, somebody who betrayed his family, his busines partners, people he worked with come all those reputational issues, then the legal issues, whether there was fraud relating to the trump charity, whether there was bank fraud relating to applications for deutsche bank when at the trump family was getting cut out of the credit markets. whether the president committed perjury in his reported answers to mueller about whether he actually had conversations about wikileaks. michael cohen suggested that there were those conversations
about whether he knew about the trump tower meeting, don jr. and paul manna ford , and cohen provided evidence on what i would call a whole host of second-tier issues, for which i will think there will never be impeachment, but mueller could indict the president. >> shannon: we've got to leave it there but a lot of people thought that this was about laying the groundwork for impeachment, if not the legal battle, but we will see, we will watch closely. >> nothing inched forward at all today. >> shannon: we've got to leave it there, thank you very much to both of you. we are moments away from president trump and germany kim jong-un's public meeting. they will meet for lunch, we are going to take you there live here from the key players themselves. if they speak, you will hear it here. i really didn't expect to learn
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supreme court heard arguments over a veteran at memorial in the shape of a cross. some argue that the government advocating christianity is unconstitutional, but some say it is perfectly legal and the cross shouldn't go anywhere. let's continue right here with the director of the american humanist organization, and the first liberty institute ceo appeared at the two of you on opposite sides of this case. let's talk a little bit about this today. the justice said it is unmistakable that this is the central tenet of the christian faith, and to deny this is about where was crucified and died and ultimately rose into christian tradition, that is what the cross is about. it can't be a secular image. >> there is no doubt it is a religious symbol, but if religious symbols are now banned, the monuments that would be torn down across the country would be beyond our wildest imaginations. this memorial was put up, not by the government, it was put up by mothers who lost their sons in
world war i, and by the american legion, and there's really no doubt why it was put up. it was put up to remember these 49 young men who died in prince georges county in world war i, and they chose that this because if you went overseas, we were seeing pictures back from europe of roes and roes of crosses of dead people because they were having to bury people so question. this symbol is synonymous with the sacrifice in world war i. >> shannon: in the immediate aftermath of world war i, this has been viewed as a universal symbol. at this cross has been here for over a century. if you take this went on, what will it turn into? are you going to have to watch tv cameras pulling down crosses and memorials all over the country? >> it is not as common as most people would think. most veterans memorials are not in the shape of girls, there are very few that would be representing veterans of all wars and i am not a lawyer, but i have a good sense of what
is right and wrong and i think it is wrong to suggest that a christian cross can represent all veterans of all wars. >> shannon: do you think it should be taken now, destroyed, moved? one of the questions, it started out on private land but it sits on government land that is the question. >> the fourth circuit judge said it should be removed, reshaped, or reassigned. we agree with that. at the simplest solution is to move this to a private land. it can stay up, people will have more access to it, it won't be in the middle of a highway where you have to run across the highway to get there appear to be when i've done that, i've been there. you know, there are war memorials around this immediate area. and some people say they doubt it could be moved here to some say the solution is to chop off the arms of the cross and leave it as a tall monument. >> that would be a desecration of this war memorial. one of the family members represented there was there today. they can't even believe this is happening. it would literally be a disgrace
to tear down this memorial or remove it. it would be the beginning of something much larger. there are hundreds and hundreds of memorials with crosses on them, war memorials throughout our landscape utica star in arlington national cemetery where are two large crosses that tower over the graves there, so if this is unconstitutional, so are they and i think it will be every community in every state of the country so i think it will be a different decision. at this memorial will be preserved and hopefully we can stop these attacks on veterans memorials. >> shannon: do you think it stays or goes? you do think it stays? >> i do think the court is going to rule so narrowly that -- it could also go the other way. i have to say real quick, i've seen loss of these cases argued and what i find is this is the most divided court on this subject i have ever seen. they don't even know what basis to use it. >> shannon: all right, got to
go. >> i think this cross is going to stay and i think they will change the law and make it clear's of these attacks stop across the country. >> shannon: gentlemen, thank you very much. we will await a decision by dream. in the meantime, this picture from vietnam, little shaky. they are setting it up, but this will be the working lunch, chairman of kim jong-un sit down, they are going to have a further discussion, more people will be involved, they will take you there live. they've been pretty good about talking to the press all along the way as they stop at each of these events. we will keep an eye on it, you won't miss anything. keep it here. ito take care of anyct messy situations.. and put irritation in its place. and if i can get comfortable keeping this tookus safe and protected... you can get comfortable doing the same with yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it.
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>> shannon: we are back with our panel awaiting this working lunch. does it get more powerful than a nuclear summit between the president and the supreme leader, so-called, of north korea. we only have a couple quick minutes before we are going to keep an eye on that, they are back. i will start with you, your thoughts and looking ahead onto what is a realistic chance for something the trump administration to accomplish here. >> i think there is a lot they can get done here. the important thing to say, it doesn't have to be a big promise from north korea. it needs to be something verifiable. even if it is small, even if it is a change to what they were doing with nuclear reactors. even if it is a change in the status between north korea and the united states. something small, something
verifiable so we can see that we are getting progress and we can get kim on the record that he is willing to let people into the country to see that things are happening that is moving the ball down the field. that is the key. >> shannon: quickly, rebecca and steve, i will have you weigh in. >> president trump doesn't owe kim jong-un anything. president trump has now given him two summits, the photo ops that are great for kim jong-un for propaganda purposes in his country. all eyes are on a kim jong-un to produce something. when he says he wants to denuclearize and told the press that, president trump needs to say write it down, explain what you mean by denuclearize, let's get some concrete things down. president trump is not representing the aggressor country, it is a kim jong-un. >> shannon: we want to make sure you get in there and we want to talk about how you they defined this idea, this term, denuclearization appeared panel, hold on stick around, we are continuing live coverage of the hanoi
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what does it matter for the president are democrats for the ongoing investigations? we will hear more about that summit in just minutes and cohen and his testimony, welcome to "fox news @ night" extended version. i'm shannon bream in washington. we begin in hanoi with correspondent kristin fisher, is live on the ground, hello. >> hey, shannon. sometimes in these -- it's tough to hear exactly what's going on. you have reporters shouting questions, the interpreters interpreting, a lot of crosstalk. so this last that we saw with president trump and north korean leader kim jong un was really fascinating. it was tough to her so i just want to walk you guys through some of the more notable things that were said. there was this one moment when north korean leader kim jong un was asked by an american reporter what do you think about the possibility of the u.s. opening a liaison office in north korea and at that point our north korean leader of the other end of the table kind of jumped in and interjected and said i think it's time for the press to perhaps move out and
leave right now and then president trump jumped in and said no, no, i think that's a great question. i'm actually curious, i would like to have the answer and that's when kim jong un finally stepped in and said that would be welcome mobile, that the opening of a u.s. liaison in north korea would be welcome mobile. so we're really, really getting a fascinating window into these, what are mostly closed doors negotiations over the last hour and there was another moment that really did provide some hard news. it was about denuclearization, an american journalist asked kim jong un are you serious about denuclearization, watch this exchange. >> chairman kim, are you ready to denuclearize math >> if i'm not willing to do that, i wouldn't be here right now. >> good answer. while my. >> that might be the best answer you've ever heard.
>> if not willing to do that, if i'm would not willing to denuclearize, then i would not be here right now. that's from north korean leader kim jong un so now the question becomes if you are willing to denuclearize, then what -- are you willing to sign on to a timetable? are you willing to agree to some sort of verification mechanisms, those of the things that are likely being hashed out right now and we will see if they are actually in this joint agreement with president trump and north korean leader kim jong un should be signing. it was on the schedule for 2:00 a.m. your time, 2:00 p.m. my time. things seem to be delayed by that an hour, so we will see if that schedule holds. >> shannon: 's of fluid night and again tonight. daytime there for you guys as they take their time as they did in singapore, they are on their own schedule and a lot of folks saying if these two are talking, let them stay at it. we will check back with you as
this progresses, thank you so much. so let's find out now how the second trump-kim summit is being viewed in south korea tonight, big implications for the country as well. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot is ensouled with that story. >> all eyes on the korean peninsula are on the summit in hanoi, below the dmz. >> i hope there will be good results. >> i think it's all for our country and our people. >> that's because there's a lot at stake for the people of both careers on what would be agreed to by president trump and kim jong un. both were hopeful wednesday night. >> today is very significant for the peace and prosperity for the korean peninsula as it is the day of the second u.s.-north korea summit. >> there's growing speculation the president will agree to a political declaration ending the korean war. north and south korea wanted after nearly 70 years of armistice. earlier kim jong un declared he would check on the north's main nuclear facility if he satisfied
with what the u.s. offers. regional neighbors are hoping these discussions will -- >> to forward an important step in pushing for the denuclearization of the peninsula and establishing the peace mechanism on the peninsul peninsula. >> president trump praised the economic success of vietnam and i said, he hopes the one-time american folk and serve as a role model for north korea that agrees to denuclearize. >> president trump keeps hammering away on this issue of the economy and i think is absolutely right. i think a key feature of kim jong un, what makes them different from his father is that he is serious about economic development. that is the strategic driver here. there's something more important to kim jong un than his nukes, and that's his economy. >> president trump heads home after thursday's meeting. kim jong un will stick around for another two days have a further look at what vietnam has become and maybe take some notes. shannon. >> shannon: greg palkot and soul, thank you very much. let's take a little bit deeper into that side of the story.
tonight's panel sticks around, they're back. steve hilton, rebecca and brian brumberg staying up late with life on double, i think it's triple duty now. steve, i will start with you because we left off with this discussion of getting the two sides to even define how they see denuclearization, it seems like that's got to be a first step to measuring whether you're getting any closer to it. >> yeah, i think that's right. it's a very technical process and that's not going to be solved right now in the kind of meetings they are having here but the confidence that's generated from these meetings i think is what will lead to those closer technical links. we heard talks from potential corporation in terms of excavating battlefield together. person-to-person contact i think and help. but i just want to emphasize one point we heard there because it's really at the heart of why we can be optimistic. it's the unique innovation, if you like in the foreign policy process president trump has brought to this and that's the focus on economics.
and the other day i saw a host on another channel, they played a clip just off of the singapore summit for president trump was talking about the possibilities for the development of north korea, he was talking about the beaches and hotels and all the rest of it like a property developer and they were mocking him for that, laughing at him, but actually, that could be the key to progress and when we elected a businessperson to be president, we thought that that would really be applied to the economy and jobs and of course you are seeing that but it's fascinating to see it applied to foreign policy too with great success so far. >> shannon: there are a lot of economic interest in that area. china a big player. there's this question of labor, there's a question of trade between south korea and north korea and china, others in the region. it's a very complex equation when we know that we need china to be a partner when it comes to sanctions, but the countries there in that region also need trade workers, they need trade of goods as well. it's tough for the u.s. to
wrangle all of those people in addition to try to wrangle kim jong un himself to the table. >> that's right and remember it's not just economic interests that motivate people. remember, north korea is still a communist country and the reason we fought the korean war is because the communist north with the help of communist china invaded south korea. in the united states and her allies propelled them back into the north. so there's other motivating factors that we have to keep in mind. yes, president trump is a dealmaker, he can create this wonderful incentive for economic development but kim has other things that he has to consider but every time that kim says he's willing to denuclearize, that is the key, we have to get them to spell out what he means by that. there's a common understanding. and then he needs to provide an inventory, a full accounting of what nuclear materials and weapons and facilities that he has if he's going to be genuine and sincere when he says he is willing to make this work. >> shannon: brian, you know there are a lot of people who doubt that we will get any real accounting. the point to the last
conversation, the last agreement, which was pretty vague but seem to indicate both parties wanted to move forward. the representations that yes they stopped testing this it administration has been able to celebrate that and if you'd win when it comes to the muscles. but there have been reports and satellite images and other suggestions that they very much continue their nuclear program, so how in the world do we begin to verify this in a substantive way? >> well, that's really tricky and north korea is going to lie, cheat, steal all that they can because ultimately, book, they don't want to give up their nuclear capabilities. we're talking about what does denuclearization mean, they don't want to do that. the only reason they're having this meeting, the only reason kim is at the table is because they have this capability and he's in no hurry to give it up. so i actually think it's really not that critical right now to define what denuclearization is. it's much more important to simply start taking steps to diminish the threat. the president's job is to diminish the threat the united states feels.
that doesn't mean we have to define all our terms. it means they want to take him and move him back one step. that might mean dealing with other capabilities they have, missile capabilities, but let's not let the perfect, which i think is highly unrealistic in any near-term situation be the enemy of the good, which is diminishing the threat. >> shannon: into that idea of denuclearization, as kristin pointed out, and we saw last hour here live that there were these questions that were lobbed to the two leaders when they were together, including anger speaking u.s. reporters asking whether or not kim jong un on was serious about denuclearization and him saying i wouldn't be here if i wasn't willing to talk about that, the president, that's the best answer we've heard all night. even if i don't agree to exactly what it is, the north korean leader says i actually want to engage in the conversation by his attesting to that fact. >> that's right, and it fits a pattern we've seen over the last
24 hours or so were you seen president trump actually in a way trying to keep the expectations high in the long term but lowering them in the short term same we are not in a rush, nothing urgent about this but actually it's been kim was been more optimistic. over time he's said something from his language and his body lang which is well has been extremely optimistic. it's interesting to see that coming from him and it does point to a strengthening of the relationship and i think one important thing that we can hope for from this is simply -- again, this will disappoint some of those people in a foreign policy establishment looking for the concrete deliverables but even if they just agree to have another summit, to meet again perhaps next year or the end of this year, that itself is positive because it shows that the tensions are coming down and the relationship is strong and the risk is much less of a conflict. >> shannon: the ongoing conversations, the lack of muscle testing, the repatriation of u.s. remains and other things that this administration is able to point towards progress, it took decades to get here, it's going to take a long time as the
president said, and as you said, managing expectations but they seem to be, at least for now, ratcheting down conversation and the heated rhetoric way and being able to move forward in some kind of conversation. so panel, thank you very much. steve, rebecca and brian. great to have you all with us. we will keep an eye on this working lunch where the two leaders are going to be back in front of the campus. the cameras are already there, with you to set up, waiting for them to arrive through the toys at hanoi vietnam and as soon as that happens they've been very chatty with the press in each of these stops along the way, we hope we will hear from them, we will hear more from conversations as they prepared to head into some kind of signing ceremony. what are they going to sign? what have they discussed? what have they agreed to? will take you back their life, stay with us. and if we have any questions, customer service is there to help. - [male] custom ink has hundreds of products to help you look and feel like a team. get started today at customink.com. makes you feel like a king!
>> shannon: we are keeping it live, i am things in hanoi vietnam as we await the two primary leaders, president trump and north korean leader kim jong on coming together in a working lunch. without a camera there, we will take your life. not long ago kim jong un, the headlines, was asked by an english speaking american reporter are you ready to denuclearize, through his translator saying if i weren't willing, i wouldn't be here. president trump says he like that answer. we'll take you back when they are there live. in the meantime, in contrast to the high-stakes diplomatic meanings in hanoi, back here in washington the president 's one
time where an self-described fixer vowing to tell the truth. this time. michael cohen telling a house committee that the president is a racist, calm man and a cheat. republicans say cohen, was about to go to prison for lying to congress as a fraudster, a cheat, and a felon. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has been tracking all of it for us. catherine. >> shannon, today's testimony indicates that president trump's greatest legal exposure may be in the southern district of new york and not russian collusion. cohen specifically testified that he was instructed not to talk about conversations that took place after an april 2018 fbi raid on his business and apartment. >> unfortunately, this topic is actually something that's being investigated right now by the southern district of new york and i've been asked by them not to discuss and not to talk about these issues. >> michael cohen, the president's long serving and now disgraced attorney went before a top congressional committee.
mr. trump's former fixer telling lawmakers he need to fix one more thing. >> i am here under oath to correct the record, to answer the committee's questions truthfully and to offer the american people what i know about president trump. >> cohen not mincing his words. >> i am ashamed because i know what mr. trump is. he is a racist, he is a con man and he is a cheat. >> from the outset, republicans urged their colleagues not to forget cohen track record with the truth. >> the first announced witness for the hundred and 16th congress is a guy who's going to prison in two months for lying to congress. >> cohen testified that he decided to lie about it trump tower real estate broker tract. he not directed by the president to mislead congress. >> he lied about it because he never expected to win. he also lied about it because he
stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars. >> cohen said the president signed checks along with his son don jr. in 2017 to cover payments to silence stormy daniels, who claimed an affair with the president. >> the payments were designed to be paid over the course of 12 months. >> was there a retainer agreement? >> there is no retainer agreement. >> he alleged the call between canada trump and political operative roger stone over the hacked democratic emails. >> he told mr. stone that within a couple of days there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage hillary clinton's campaign. >> cohen claimed the president was guilty of other indiscretions. >> you are a pathological liar. you don't know from truth from falsehood. >> are you referring to the other president? >> it's my time. >> i'm going to prison. i will be away from my wife and family. >> republicans are not convinced
about cohen's moral awakening alleging he may have a lot to gain from his testimony. >> testimony here could actually help you out and get your sentence lesson, isn't that tru true? >> i'm not really sure how my appearance are today is providing substantial information that the southern district can use. >> late today, republican congressman mark meadows took the initial steps to make a criminal referral against cohen alleging violations of the foreign agents registration act for cohen's work on behalf of keswick stone among other nations. cohen of course is back on hold tomorrow for a third day in testimony, this time behind closed doors. shannon. >> shannon: catherine herridge on the hill, thank you very much. with a partisan tone set in early in today's hearing, top republicans wondered about the timing of the cohen hearing itself. >> i think it's poor form to have it while the president is literally talking with kim jong un about giving up his nuclear weapons program. if we had done something like
this people in the media business would be pretty outraged for a good reason. >> shannon: let's start there with fox news senior political analyst brit hume. great to have you with us tonight. her reaction to the cohen hearing today, the timing, some of the dustup that we saw? >> well, it was good television in the sense that there was lots of conflict and a lot of sparks flying. but overall i found the whole thing pretty depressing. first of all, you look at michael cohen and he's a broken man. it is broken because he committed crimes and he got nailed for it and now he's doing everything he can to try to make things easier for himself. it's clearly in his interest to do everything he can to man whom he served for ten years in all sorts of ways, many of them devious. and that's the sad part of it. think of him and his family. and the rest of it was that it was hard to know whether it would be more troubled by the fact that trump would employ
such a man for ten years or to be depressed by the fact that the committee decided to make this guy, this committee's first public hearing in the new congress, their star witness. so on balance i thought it was pretty grim. >> shannon: byron york today had an interesting piece and some tweets about how this was a mixed bag really for the g.o.p. because they wanted to go after him and harassed the effect that he's going to jail for lying. then you bask in here to be sworn in and talk about things under oath. but byron said listen, the g.o.p. also could have used him as a positive in some cases. he shot on a number of rumors saying they either weren't true or he couldn't verify that they were true or he thought they were true and he couldn't offer any concrete evidence of collusion, so he thinks it's a mixed bag for them. it's clear the democrats were hoping to use cohen to their advantage. this started out, the special counsel about russian collusion come today that we see that we can't do something a bit different. there's congressman democrat socialist alexander acosta
cortez today. >> to your knowledge, was the president drifted in and producing his local real staples, textiles? >> yes. >> went out if you do that? >> what you do is you deflate the value of the asset and then you put in a request to the tax department for a deduction. >> shannon: so that's where we are now. from russia collusion to taxes. >> we have come a long way from the original charge. i think there's a sense among democrats and maybe some others as well that robert mueller is not going to deliver the goods to them on that issue and that that will leave them looking for other things to try to bring this president down, make no mistake about it, that's what they're about, they are trying to bring his president down. it was striking as you suggested that some of the things that cohen will testify to today were actually helpful to the trump side. for example, we know the dossier, the infamous dossier had at its center that cohen had
gone to prague to meet with russians to set up collusion. in cohen has said all along that he never went to prague and here today he said it again under oath, which blows up something that's been part of the conspiracy story for a long time, at least if we can believe him. so in that sense, in a way, the republicans were sort of hurting their own cause by disparaging his credibility when he did in fact say several things that were kind of helpful to the trump site. >> shannon: of course the white house would like to focus today, tonight, and tomorrow to be on what's happening in vietnam, the president sitting down with north korean leader kim jong on. there's a lot of focus obviously on what can and can't be accomplished. people already criticizing it when the president hasn't even had the substantive sitdown. to find it was going to come from this, some simply won't give the president a chance regardless of what comes from this. interesting though that our first dome of most recent pox news polling shows the average folks were pulled here, they are giving their highest marks you have to the president on this
issue of how he's doing doing with north korea. the approval has grown, the disapproval has dropped a bit and it seems like for right now this is a good topic for him and for the white house. >> this is unmistakably presidential behavior. no one else in the united states, the government or outside the government in or out of the government can sit down and negotiate with a foreign leader in this way. people approve of that. that's what they expect presidents to spend their time doing, at least in part. so this is the kind of thing that can only help the president as long as he doesn't have some kind of fiasco in which he comes away claiming some great triumph and it turns out not to be substantive at all and honestly there are some people who are worried about that possibility. my sense about this, shannon is that he may well make some progress here. everybody knows that north korea has done practically nothing with regards to actual denuclearization in the president i think is prepared to be patient on this. but he will kind of made to come
out of this with something moving forward. maybe an end to the korean war, which might ease anxieties in north korea about going ahead with denuclearization. he also has to be concerned about the sanctions sticking. i don't think the president will lift the sanctions that he's imposed on north korea unless and until there is denuclearization for the sanctions regime appears to be leaking with help from russia and china, north koreans are getting things but the sanctions regime should not permit. so that's a problem. if the north koreans aren't uncomfortable because of the sanctions, it's a good question why they are going to give up much of anything. >> shannon: with the motivation would be and there are a lot of competing interests, all of those players and beyond. thank you very much for joining us tonight, always appreciated. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: all right, a conservative beat up on the cal berkeley campus, it's been a week, no arrests. right. while barely the suspect has been eye deed so some are asking where's the justice? traces on the case they are. the president and kim jong un
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♪ >> shannon: venezuelan government vehicles carting away more than $300 million worth of gold, that tops tonight where in the world. venezuelan president nicolas maduro, now disputed president, he is accused of taking at least 8 tons of gold from the central bank in a last-ditch effort to raise cash in the midst of an economic crisis. the u.s. no warning institutions to avoid dealing in his venezuelan goal. venezuelan legislator tells them they plan to sell it illegally. five athletes arrested at the nordic skiing world championships during an anti-doping rate. the arrests were part of a larger operation to bring down what's being called a criminal organization. officials also arrested a 40-year-old sports dr. expected
of running the scheme. in at least 25 people are dead, 47 wounded after a runaway train smashed into cairo's busiest train station and exploded. at the impact sent flames shooting across the platform which was full of people at the time. the plan reportedly lost control due to a fight between two conductors. eight days ago, you remember this, a violent assault on the campus of cal berkeley caught on video. the suspects face clearly identifiable and tonight, still no arrests by the university's police department. so why not? trace gallagher is on the case night. trace. >> good evening, shannon. critics are baffled that more than a week later, the suspect, who was caught on video and has been identified still hasn't been named or arrested. uc berkeley campus police say he is not a student or affiliated with the university. eight days ago, 26 roald hayden williams wasn't uc berkeley help in turning point usa, a conservative student group, recruit new members.
williams says some people got angry at a sign on the table that read "hate crime coat norma coaxes hurt real victims. this was at the height of the jussie smollett case where the actor allegedly staged a hate crime hoax. the video taken by hayden williams and others shows two men approached the table, williams is one of them and accused him of promoting violence and then got violent. >> i value due process. however, i do want this individual to be held accountable for his actions. this is a very serious entry. he could've put me in a coma if it was just a couple inches off on my head. >> campus police say the suspect is in his home so they are now seeking a felony warrant. if the warrant is issued they will medially pursue the suspect. the turning point usa says if you been wearing make america great again hat and punched a liberal in the face, they would be nationwide outrage and a man hunt to him. instead, there has been little
reaction. in fact, when "the washington post" finally got around to covering the story, the headline read "a conservative activist was punched in the face at uc berkeley. at the response enraged the right" which p50 people on twitter. the headline should be a conservative activist was punched in the face at uc berkeley, the response enraged with people. if that isn't accurate we are farther down a dark path than i thought. we are told the district attorney's office is now evaluating the case. shannon. spoon trace gallagher, thank you very much. new developments tonight in the democratic party's progressive push to the left. the unveiling of medicare for all, a push for antigun, legislation, getting rid of ice, an update on that multitrillion dollar new deal as well. david joins a student to all of these hot topics. >> the eyes of political world were on michael cohen during his eight hour testimony today but not democrats have some power in this new congress and there's some significant legislation making its way through the halls
of the capital. >> we have a mass shooting. we have a moment of silence and then there has been an action. this signifies the end of that. >> by about vote of 240-190, the democratic-controlled house passed a bipartisan bill that will require federal background checks for all firearm sales and transfers. if the first major gun control legislation in 25 years. >> they should have passed along time ago. >> that's republican congressman peter king, who voted in favor of the gun control measure. he and four other republicans cosponsor the bill. >> the same stomach same standards to gun shows if you have it at a gun store to buy a weapon. so a person can't buy a gun at the gun store because of the background, they shouldn't be able to buy one at a gun show. it doesn't take anyone's gun away from them who has a lawfully. >> also on the agenda, a single-payer plan that would
eliminate the 65-year-old requirement. and on climate change, the green new deal continues to make its way through the halls of congress. at least in conversation. on tuesday, only to go democrats showed up to their own climate change hearing, forcing an end to the session within minutes. house speaker nancy pelosi was asked about the green new deal today. >> i can't say we are going to take that in passing because because we have to go through our checks and balances of it with our committee chairs and the rest. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell a few weeks ago said he would bring the green new deal to the senate floor for a vote. now he's announced he will do so before the august recess, prompting outrage from across the aisle. >> until they in the majority put a plan on the floor as to what they would do with climate change, they don't have much standing. >> leader shermer called mcconnell's plan a diversion, a way to get away from the real debate on climate change.
mcconnell poked fun at the notion that some democrats discussed simply voting present, not committing either way to the measure, shannon. >> shannon: david, thank you very much. stand by, the president and north korean leader kim jong un could appear any time are watching live in hanoi. the north korean leader, by the way, said he wouldn't be there if he wasn't ready to actually talk about denuclearizing. we will see if actions back up the rhetoric. we're waiting to see them as they come to a working lunch. we will take of their life. our power panel. to weigh in. wishart ritchie and michael, stay tuned. ♪ at midas, with every oil change you get a free tire rotation. makes you feel like a king! king for a day! well, maybe not the whole day.
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>> shannon: welcome back to our special extended coverage of the hanoi summit. we are being told because we've been waiting on this working lunch with the president and kim jong un on, we've been told there is a program change now there in vietnam. they've been having this expanded bilateral conversation between the two teams on either side, the u.s. and north korea, so we are told that still going on right now with the key players so we are waiting for the working lunch. we will get some guidance from white house press secretary sarah sanders soon. we are keeping an eye on it so you don't miss anything, the news moving very quickly there but we are going to make sure you don't miss it. in the meantime we're going to bring a fresh panel to talk about all of this and more, wishart ritchie, fox news contributor lawrence jones and trump's kayleigh mcenany. williams griffis fellow from the
hoover institution, stanford university, welcome to all of you. early, late, wherever you are. michael, we will start with you on the west coast. what do you make of what we've seen so far? we know that the president and kim extended their conversations in singapore, they were kind of on their own time on, what does it say to you that both of these conversations they've had so far today have really bled over into a pretty substantial gap into where we expected the time and would be moving, it seems like they are enjoying their time together. >> hey shannon, yeah. there's two ways to look at it. one is that they are really deepening this relationship that they both tout and that is really becoming, by the way, the centerpiece of u.s.-north korean relationships, this relationship between trump and kim jong un. the other way to look at it is that it takes a long time because they're really not making a lot of progress and there's a lot of fancy talk, but there really no specifics coming out and i'm hearing from some people on the ground in hanoi right now that that's the bus, that they are not sure they're able to get to any real
specifics that's going to move this forward in a way that gets beyond simply the platitudes we've become used to hearing. >> shannon: it hard to measure because we talked last night about how there are these groups already were in the mainstream media saying no matter what, this is terrible, nothing is going to work, the president gets no credit because he either gives away too much or he does too little and it's too vague. can the president win when it comes to the mainstream media and their assessment of how he's doing? >> i don't think you can win. let's go back to where we were years ago under the past three or four presidents. there was no relationship there and so i would encourage people, what is the rush? at least we have two leaders talking about it. we haven't gotten to the action steps, which what we want is for them to give up their nuclear weapons, but at least the dialogue is continuing. we are not at risk right now of an attack because of that
relationship, so i say, give the president some time. this is something that he inherited and he's willing to take on this task, but again, as we've seen on capitol hill, everything is about cohen. this was something that should have been done after the president left this summit but again, this was a political strategy so that let you know what the media and the democratic party is on this issue. >> shannon: is definitely forcing the white house to be very engaged in two very different subjects right now. domestically and abroad. i want to bring you in here. without a lot of falling in the last few days from fox news ahead of the summit looking into how the american people feel about how the president is doing. he's actually made gains. i want to show this fox news poll and how people think the president's handling the north korea issue. his approval numbers have come up from disapproval numbers on this have gone down. a lot of folks in america think on this he's improved his performance. they are feeling confident about how he's doing with this. >> summer feeling confident, some are not.
the truth is there is a win you're for the president of the united states. if you know if that is? if north korea decides to denuclearize. that's what this whole thing is about. anything short of that, anything short of that will render criticism to president trump. also, this has to be one of the most dysfunctional back-and-forth relationships we've seen between two world leaders. it seems as if they break up to make up. at one point they are talking very positive about each other and then at other points they are talking very negative about each other. so i'm trying to figure out what is the progress, what will happen, how will the needle move in a way that is appropriate and safe for everyone involved. i want to see a better relationship with kim jong un and his country. i want to see that. as an american i want to see that right now, i'm only seeing platitudes and conversations and nothing more. >> shannon: some say as we talk with steve felton earlier, even the fact that they are having a conversation, that is something to put an a plus, but is it administration.
>> that's absolutely the case. i'm happy to share with her shot with the results are here, compare what we got from president obama with regard to the north koreans. zero, nothing at all. this president, you got the return of u.s. remains, something the u.s. has wanted for quite a long time, securing the release of three hostages in north korea, about a denuclearize and the fact that north korea has not shut off a nuclear test missile since september of 2017, more than a year ago. there are tangible results. i know the media likes to hide them, but there are tangible results that this president has gotten in president obama never got close to. >> shannon: we have much more to discuss with the panel because things are changing minute-by-minute here in vietnam. if you will all stick around we want to continue the conversation. in the meantime, we are getting some guidance we told her without we would get from the white house and sarah sanders about where we're going, where the timeline is. we are going to tell you about that, we will take your life to vietnam right after the break.
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>> shannon: we are standing by life, you're looking there in vietnam for president trump and kim jong un continue the conversations with their teams right now and listen, the schedule has been very fluid yesterday and today, we talked about that so we just heard from white house press secretary sarah sanders. she's been telling the press
folks there the negotiations, these conversations they've been having have been ongoing. we've been waiting to see them come to this very nice working lunch so after that there was going to be a signing ceremony of some kind. sarah sanders is declined to say whether there is still going to be a joint signing ceremony. we don't know if they are still hashing that out, if it's going to happen, but we can report that the president is apparently going to hold a solo news conference in the next hour or so, although again, things have been fluid. we will see what happens. if we hear from president trump and kim together again we will take in their life. in the meantime we want to welcome back our panel to continue our conversation here. the president has talked a lot this week in the of administration tried to set the table with an economic incentives seem to north korea you can be successful like vietnam. we were at war with them decades ago, now we are doing well economically and we have a good relationship. i want to supply something the president said when he was sitting down and one of these public accounts with kim jong u kim jong un. >> i think that your country has
tremendous economic potential. unbelievable, unlimited. i look forward to watching it happen and helping it to happen. and we will help it to happen. >> shannon: this is something we for the presidency at every turn, it's going to be great, you're going to have a wonderful economy, we have confidence in you. he's really selling it, or trying to. >> is trying to. i actually agree with vladimir putin on this one. vladimir putin said hey, this guy would rather eat grass and give up his nuclear weapons. understand, he has the context of history, we are with kim jong un on. he understands also that this country changes administrations. so let's say he does trust president trump. that doesn't mean he would trust the next president or the president after that. and right now is biggest negotiating tool is the fact he is a nuclear power. i don't think you trust the west and i don't think you trusted the of administration beyond this one. >> shannon: michael, to that point, leadership is different in our two countries. in north korea you can have
someone who is there for decades, they can outlast each u.s. president along the way. so what you make of what he had to say about the reality that they would ever be willing to give things up? >> look, we have been trying for 25 years to get them to give up both the nuclear weapons program and now the nuclear weapons reality and we haven't figured out how to do it. the north koreans are not stupid. one reason we are here to talk about them is that they have survived against all odds. in this family, which is now in its third generation, kim jong un is the third-generation of his family to leave north korea has also survived against all odds. they look very carefully at what happened to muammar qaddafi in libya and saddam hussein. the idea that they are suddenly going to give up nuclear weapons without ironclad guarantees and even beyond that is just not realistic. this is a program we should not forget that stretches back to the 1960s. this has been a half-century long dream of the north koreans to have nuclear weapons. i think that the administration
is moving towards a de facto normalization with north korea. we are seeing it in meetings like this, we are seeing it and what will probably be some type of liaison exchange. the idea that i think administration is getting to is that you have to create some type of working relationship of trust between the president and kim jong un and certainly that's going to take a long time. but otherwise the diplomatic negotiations when they are not getting it where you want to get to. >> shannon: the president has talked a lot about the fact that he has a wonderful relationship with him, it's something he likes to talk about with respect to president xi and resident abe, he's very, very relational both. >> that's exactly right. this is about building trust. it's also about a carrot and stick approach, the stick being sanctions in the economic pressure that's going to put a north korea and the carrot is of course saying you can become like vietnam. if you can become an economically prosperous country, consider your reputation,
kim jong un, do you really want to be the person who continue to hold your country down or do you want to be the leader that ushered your country into freedom and helped your people and i think that kim jong un is at a crossroads and we will see which decision he takes. >> shannon: quick final word to you, lawrence. >> one thing i will take about the economic prosperity angle about that, although it's very enticing for kim, this is also part of his control. his people being poor, the only factor that can change this is his military because they are poor too. the moment it starts to affect that i think we will see some change. possibly. >> shannon: again, something that the administration emphasized in this enforcement, again here. a hard sell there in vietnam but again, keeping the sanctions in place and needing better cooperation from partners like china and russia when it comes to that so sticks and carrots, we will see. and also we are standing by to see whether these two come out and make some kind of joint statement, have a signing ceremony as was told -- we were told that was going to happen but none were told that they are continuing to talk, all of that
make change. stick around because all through the night there will be development and we are staying alive. for now, most-watched, most grateful you spent the evening with us, good night from washington, i'm shannon bream. ed henry picks up the coverage live from vietnam. specifically from the chihuahua people. what?! that's... i find that crazy. it traces their journey in the mid-1800s from central mexico to texas. learning about the risks they took for a better life... ...it gives me so much respect and gratitude. it just shed so much light in my past that i never even would've known was there. 20 million members have connected to a deeper family story. order your kit at ancestry.com. omar, check this out. uh, yeah, i was calling to see if you do laser hair removal. for men. notice that my hips are off the ground. [ engine revving ] and then, i'm gonna pike my hips back into downward dog. [ rhythmic tapping ]
♪ >> ed: is peace at heron in hanoi are not? president trump declared a short time ago that he is expecting success but in the last few moments, we've had breaking developments. we learned that has talked with north korean dictator kim jong un appeared to have taken an unexpected turn. we are live on the ground in vietnam where we are now expected a news conference with the president about one hour from now. that is different than the original plan, which had some sort of a signing ceremony between the two leaders happening about an hour from now. so does that mean there is no agreement at all? or, as a news