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republicans are trying to prevent building the wall. it's something that he will put before the voters. we'll see how it plays out. gabby orr. i'm ed henry in for dana perino. here's shep. >> shepard: breaking news out of the white house in washington. president trump set to sign the first veto of his presidency. rejecting a measure that passed with support from both political parties to block the president's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border. we're expecting the veto signing to happen in the oval office in the next few minutes. we'll have it as it happens. also, what is next? and whether congress has the votes to override president trump. 49 people went to pray, and as they did, they were slaughtered by a gunman filled with hate.
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the killer live streamed the massacre so the world could see it. he stormed a mosque in christchurch, new zealand as friday prayers began moving room to room. firing to groups of worshippers as they huddled together with no way to escape. one survivor said he played dead helpless, praying that the gunman would run out of bullets. in a 74-page missive online, he ranged against muslims calling them invaders and he said he wants revenge for terror attacks in europe. he said he picked new zealand to show that no place in the world is safe. we won't show the shooter's name or face. we won't show his video. an editor watched it and provided the following information. the gunman seems upbeat, almost casual, as he sits in his car before the massacre. there's guns in the passenger seat visible on the video and
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one tucked beside his leg. the rifles painted in white and white supremist signs. our editor can hear the gps, a british woman's voice giving the killer directions to the mosque. for a moment, he pulls off the road, turns to the camera and says hello, lads. when he arrived at the mosque, he pulled into a side alley remarking how quick the drive was. he gets out, opens the trunk, grabs another gun and walks into the mosque i've front court yard. two men standing in the entryway. he opens fire. they drop. he moves inside. one victim is trying to crawl away leaving a trail of blood on a green carpet. the gunman walks up and fires
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point blank. that was just the beginning. our chief correspondent jonathan hunt is with us. he lived in christchurch for nine months. he gives us the rest of the story. jonathan? >> shep, for the sake of our reporting, i watched that video several times and from the point you just mentioned, the gunman stands in the hallway of the mosque and fires quickly and calmly and with devastating accuracy at anyone he sees. some running for their lives. then he moves in to the main prayer room. two large groups of worshippers are cowering in two separate corners. one man appears to run at the gunman but shot at point blank range. then he turns to the groups again, firing more shots. he reloads several times. he walks back into the hallway and back into the main room.
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many of the men are already dead. some appear to be wounded. the gunman walks slowly toward them finishing off his victims with bullets to the head or body. it's difficult to count the number of shots. by our account, the gunman fires around 187 rounds in the first 2 1/2 minutes of the attack. once he leaves the mosque, he shoots several people on the street including a woman wearing traditional muslim dress. she's wounded. she lies in the street crying out for help. the gunman walks to her and once again delivers the final shots directly to the woman's head. he then gets back in his car, drives over that woman's body and continues to shoot other people from his vehicle. there's no sign at that point of any police officers. the video stops after about 16 gut wrenching minutes and by our account, 236 shots fired, shep.
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>> shepard: jonathan, what more can you report on his writings, the lengthy writings that were posted online? >> this so called manifesto is long, rambling in places and precise in others. he makes his motivation clear. intimidating, repelling and killing what he repeatedly calls muslim innovators. he says mass immigration is a threat to civilization. at one point, he poses the question to himself, are you a supporter of president trump? his answer as a symbol renewed white identity and common purpose, sure. as a policy maker and leader, dear god, no. police say they have the gunman who streamed the video and two others in custody. you can see officers arrested one of the three on the cell phone video after police rammed a vehicle. none of the three according to officials was on their terrorism radar in new zealand or
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australia. new zealand's prime minister says her country is a proud melting pot and immigrants add much to the community. >> they have chosen to make new zealand their home. it is their home. they are us. the person who has committed the violence is not. they have no place in new zealand. there is no place in new zealand for such acts of extreme and unprecedented violence. >> the gunman also said in that manifesto that he hoped to go to trial where he will plead not guilty. in his view, he was taking action against "occupying force." leaders around the world, shep, have refuted that idea saying it was an act of pure hate and pure evil. shep? >> shepard: jonathan hunt were the details for us, jonathan. let's go to michael, chief
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reporter from auckland, new zealand. to you and yours, i'm so sorry. can you give us an idea of the place where this happened and the people that were the victims? >> well, it occurred in some mosques in the central christchurch, one of the largest cities a city of substantial size. really just not a very short distance from some of the worst consequences of the christchurch earthquake that happened a few years ago. an area that has experienced a lot. it's not an area where you expect anything like this to ever happen. >> shepard: without naming him, can you tell us anything about the gunman? >> we understand that he was born in australia. we understand that he was something of an extremist certainly by new zealand standards. certainly not someone that represents common new zealand values. everybody is in shock about this. >> shepard: i can imagine. i can't imagine how they wouldn't be. tell us, if you could, about
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these particular mosques and what role they play in the communities. >> there's about 30 mosques around new zealand. they're quite central to their communities. we have a lot of refugees in new zealand that are of islamic faith. that's a really sort of central part of fear, their life and their community. of course, also muslims in this country over 100 years. it's not anything new. >> shepard: it's a culture that for lack of a better phrase, works and plays well together. it's not as if there are significant problems socially or otherwise across the country. >> no, i'd say that new zealanders are a united country. we take a shelby right attitude. we're not -- people with different political persuasions, cultural affiliations get along very well. >> shepard: what is job 1 now
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for new zealand to begin to make sense or at least begin to move passed this? >> it's a tough one. we have never experienced anything like this. we always see terrorism in other parts of the world and sort of -- very different parts of the world. we never expected to see something like this here. just in the last few moments, we heard that two people are still fighting for their life. one, a 4-year-old child and in critical condition having to be transported to another hospital. >> shepard: he shot at kids in those mosques. >> yes, yeah. women, children, all people. >> shepard: well, our hearts are breaking for you. thanks, michael sergel. thank you. >> thank you. >> shepard: we're monitoring breaking news from the white house in the united states where the president is set to issue his first veto since he took office after a stunning rebuke from members of his own party. we'll hear from the "fox news
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no. under normal circumstances, that is that. not in this case. the president is trying to go around them. they say the republicans that voted against him say this could set a dangerous precedent for future presidents. both the house and the senate came up short of the votes they need to override a presidential veto. so the question now, one that we've been pondering many months, will the courts end up deciding whether president trump's national emergency declaration is okay under the guidelines of the constitution. let's turned to chris wallace. you know, it's no surprise that we're here. just the question is, who has standing will bring a suit, where and when. >> well, there's plenty of people that have standing. one question is whether or not congress has standing because they can say that this is not money that we appropriated and that you have decided to use it over our objections and the fact
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that this vote, even though the veto won't be overridden, the fact that the house and the senate voted resolutions of disapproval does further the argument that congress did not intend for it to go this way. there's landowners, various states. there's no question this will get a hearing in the court. we'll have to wait to see what happens. assuming that someone, some judge, particularly in the ninth circuit out west, decides to stay the president's declaration, it will go all the way to the supreme court, which make this a hot issue as we head into the 2020 general election campaign. >> shepard: which is rather convenient for someone running on this topic a long time. >> that's right. in fairness to the president, he made this a major article of faith between him and his supporters in the 2016 election. win or lose --
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>> shepard: the article of faith is that the mexicans would pay for it. >> that's part of it. also that the wall would be built. in any case, the fact is that he can now go and say to his voters in 2020, look, i did everything i had to, i took it to congress, declared an emergency, they blocked it. i vetoed it, took it to court. i'm taking it to the court system. re-elect me so i can build and you believe in. >> shepard: they sent some details of the stage craft out. sort of show that will be put on as part of this. we just have been informed, chris, that some border agents and the family members of some people that were killed by undocumented immigrants will flank the president as he signs and will speak as well. >> yeah, look, he wants to make
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the case that this is -- we're talking about politics. he's going to make the case this is really a national security and humanitarian crisis at the border. there was a huge uptick, 76,000 people apprehended on the border in february. i think it was the most in 11 years or something like that. not even close to back in 2000 when 1.6 million people were crossing the border and being apprehended each year. but still there's a surge and he will make the case on a national security basis and a humanitarian basis that we need this wall. we've seen him do it before, he will do it again and obviously it plays to a lot of people in his base and people around the country. the other hand, if you believe the polls, the majority of people are against the building of the wall and think that there are other ways to do it to secure the border. >> shepard: is that a sign politically speaking, i'd like your take on this, whether he's now in a position where he's going to stay with the base, placate the base and forget
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everybody else and figure out a way come 2020? >> you can't do it. there's not enough votes in the base. it appears that from most of the polling that 35, 40% of eligible voters are what you would call ever trumpers, solid red core trump supporters. that's not enough to win an election. he has to expand his base. one of the things that a lot of political experts have been wondering about is -- the president has a lot of leeway with the base. as you pointed out, one of the promises is mexico will build the wall. that seems to have been largely dispensed with now and doesn't seems to have bothered his base as long as he keeps faith on building the wall. even with that base, it's not enough. you have to expand it to independence. you have to expand it to suburban republicans and women. you look where he won in 2016,
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in the suburbs, in the so-called blue wall of upper rust belt states like michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin. you can't just do it with the base. you have to expand. one of the things he's counting on is that he's going to be able to portray or the democrats in fact will nominate someone that is so far to the left the president would say a socialist, that it's going to make it easier for him. he doesn't have to pivot as far to the center because he said the democrats have moved to the left. >> shepard: chris, looking forward to "fox news sunday." this week, one of the candidates that would like to unseat the president will be chris wallace's guest. he will speak with the mayor of south bend, indiana, this sunday on "fox news sunday" and he will see you on the next "fox news sunday." check your local listings. more ahead on the massacre in new zealand. we'll hear from survivors that
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people gunned down in two mosques in the city of christchurch. now we're hearing more about the victims and the stories of those that made it out alive. trace gallagher reporting for us on that. hi, trace. >> hi, shep. sounds like when the shooting started, the survivors either ran for the doors and broken windows or jumped under benches and tables like this man. >> i lied down under the bench thinking that if i get out, i'll be lucky. but i kept my fingers crossed so i could be alive. >> one man said he did both, first hiding under a bench. when the gunman paused to reload, he dove out of a broken window. he said a man near him was shot in the chest. there were the heros that ran towards the mosque as the victims were running away. they were able to help a 5-year-old girl that was shot
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and being held by her father who had also been shot. the heros got both victims into an ambulance. when the shooting finally stopped, neighbors and witnesses began setting up a makeshift triage trying to make sure that those that were severely injured got the first ambulances and of course the fastest medical care, shep. >> shepard: trace, there's very little information about the victims at this point. >> yeah, clearly cristchurch has never seen anything like this. it's put heavy strain on the city's resources. we do know the victims come from all over the world, egypt, pakistan, even syrian refugees only to be victims of violence. some believe this is part of anti-muslim rhetoric. the leader of the mosque in
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auckland said muslims have always been appreciated part of the country's fabric. a story making headlines around the world, the worshipper among the first to be targeted. he's hailed as a hero because he shared peaceful and courageous words as the gunman came toward him. he was heard on the live stream video saying, hello, brother. they were his final words. shep? >> shepard: trace gallagher reporting for us on the tragedy in new zealand. facebook is facing criticism over that massacre after the shooting was able to live stream his slaughter of innocent people. a spokeswoman for the social media giant says they're working to delete any praise or support for the attack. they quickly remove the shooter's video and facebook an instagram account. gillian turner spoke to football about this. she's live. >> and facebook and twitter and
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youtube failed to stop the viral spread of the live stream as well as the 87 page manifesto posted online a few minutes before his attack. facebook 17 minutes to take down the live stream. it showed the shooter driving to the mask and parking his car and carrying out the shooting spree. facebook took 1 1/2 hours to shut down the shooter's account and the facebook watch platform continued to host versions of the video for several more hours. in a statement to fox news, facebook says "we quickly removed the shooter's facebook and instagram accounts and the video." facebook's website says "we don't allow mass murders to have a presence on facebook and instagram and we'll delete contest that praises the shooter." youtube and twitter not faring any better. they continue to host versions of the video for multiple hours including on twitter's auto play
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feature. this means some viewers may have been exposed to the gruesome footage without any warning. google says they will lie on smart detection technology to identify this type of content. they tell fox news shocking violent and graphic content has no place on our platforms. all of this raising new concerns today for american big tech and the role that social media companies are playing in publicizing terrorism and violence. tech experts tell fox news that despite years of these social media companies promising to do more and better and keeping terrorism off of social media is like a game. shep. >> shepard: gillian turner reporting, this is a live look. i've just gotten word the white house press pool got word to come in for this event, so we're expecting the president to issue his first veto at any moment
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veto which has not put pen to paper yesterday. 12 republican senators voted against this. not being against the border wall, but just on the president circumventing the appropriations process. the president tweeted out i'd like to thank all the great republican senators that bravely voted for strong border security, this will help stop crime and drug trafficking. watch when you get back to your state. they will love you more than before. the president said he does have emergency powers to build a border wall and across the administration officials are speaking with one voice about what they say is a crisis on the border. here's the secretary of state mike pompeo. >> i've spent a lot of time with my mexican counter parts. this challenge is real. i believe it's a crisis. call it what you will. the challenge of not knowing who
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is coming in and out of our country and what drugs or people or elicit materials are coming across the border is real. we need to take serious action against it. the president's order does that. >> the house has planned an override vote. that will be march 26. they likely don't have the 2/3s majority needed to override the veto. there's no plans for a veto override vote in the senate. so what the house will be going through is just an exercise. it's a big moment for the president. it's his first veto of the administration. this is how he stacks up compared to previous presidents. president obama vetoed 12 bills. one was overriden. george w. bush had 12. four were overridden. bill clinton had 47. and president reagan 78 with nine overridden. all of that pales in comparison
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to franklin roosevelt that had 635 vetoes. 263 of which were pocket vetoes where the president doesn't take any action when congress is adjourned and after ten days the bill failed. so the president will be putting pen to paper soon if he hasn't already. >> shepard: there's other efforts, i understand, to block this emergency declaration. >> yeah, we saw what happened in congress the last couple weeks. there's also a myriad of lawsuits. the aclu and earth justice have filed private lawsuits against the emergency declaration. 21 states have banded together to try to block it as well. so far no court opinions on any of that. a lot of those suits of course have been filed in jurisdictions where the ninth circuit court of appeals has the jurisdictional oversight and the president doesn't fare well in the ninth circuit court of appeals.
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let's not forget, without this emergency declaration, the president has about $4 billion to build a border barrier. that's good for 70 to 90 miles of border wall depending how far they can stretch a dollar. john? >> shepard: we're waiting for the ceremony. congress does have the power to override a presidential veto but has been successful only 4% of the time that its tried. it requires 2/3s votes in both the house and the senate, which means 67 votes in the senate. 12 republicans voted with the democrats yesterday to block the president's national emergency. it passed with 59 votes. that is short of the number. could they get more? mike emanuel reporting live on capitol hill. hi, mike. >> shep, we don't expect congressional democrats to let this go. the last time we saw nancy pelosi, she was signing the bill that rejects the president's national emergency declaration this afternoon before it was sent off to the white house.
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a house democratic aide said the house vote to overright the veto is likely to occur on tuesday, march 26 and the senate democratic leader said his side is not giving up. >> the president will veto it. it goes to the house. he won't have the 2/3s. but i believe the law allows us to bring it up every six months. certainly we would intend to do that. >> the house vote was 40 votes shy of the threshold. it would seem like that many would flip their votes in the coming ten days or so. this could signal to the base they're doing everything possible to fight the president on his border wall, shep. >> shepard: how are republicans dealing with this divide? >> as you mentioned, there are 12 senate republicans that voted against the president on this. one being roy blunt from missouri who says "there's several existing authorities that could be used to support what president trump wants to do at the border without creating a court case or declaring an emergency. i have encouraged him to use
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those authorities." rick scott was on the other side supporting the president and says he understands the president's frustration. >> the democrats are just -- they have a pure hate for the president. they don't want the president to have a win. the truth is america needs a win. the agents say they need better technology and more people and new barriers. >> what made senate republicans uncomfortable is this show down coming on one of the president's biggest promises to build the border wall, shep. >> shepard: mike emanuel on capitol hill. thank you. a live look at the white house. the get together has begun. this as it turns out is one of those events where the pool will video this and then they'll play the video out for the television networks. when that happens, we'll have it for you. the signing has not yet happened. the president is speaking.
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>> the event is underway at the white house. i have nothing to indicate yet that the veto has happened. we're going to hear from the president on a number of different subjects in just a minute.
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chad pergram is up there there's a lot ahead. this isn't the end of it. >> we're told the veto override attempt will happen on march 26. the house and senate are out next week. this will only go to the house. under the constitution, bills once they're vetoed by the president, if they're sent back to capitol hill, they're sent back to the body of origination. so this originated in the house, passed in the house. the senate passed it. the president vetoes it and sends it back to capitol hill. there's some discussion as to whether or not they would go through the process and attempt a veto override. the house is not at 435 members, so the threshold to override is about 285. when they p there was a questio or not the house just base they didn't have the votes would they try it. number 2, could this be a bad
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political vote for freshmen, moderate members to take a vote on that. saying hey, we're going to vote to try to override the president's veto. keep in mind, there's 31 democrats in the house who represent districts that president trump carried. the flip side of that is you could be trying to put pressure on republicans, are they going to stand with the president or not. democrats had unanimity when this move through the house of representatives a couple weeks ago. there were 13 defections on the republican side that voted with the democrats. there were three districts carried by hillary clinton. so you know, nancy pelosi might be trying to say we're going to run through the process here. last time there was a failed override attempt in the house was early 2016. paul ryan tried to move through a veto override on a bill to repeal obamacare that president obama had vetoed. they knew it would be short. paul ryan kept saying we're going to run out the string and go through the process and that seems to be precisely what nancy pelosi is doing in this case.
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>> shepard: largely at least in part it's a matter of who captures the narrative here? there's the one from the president that says, you know, vote with me, vote for secure and then the one from the other side that says look, we're all for border security, we have different ideas how this should happen but this is about the constitution which says the house controls the purse strings and makes those decisions, the balance of power. depending on which of those narratives wins the day. >> it's certainly an effort to try to put those republicans on notice and if nancy pelosi can continue to build that case against president trump, it helps whoever the nominee in 2020. that is part of it. there's a saying in british politics, it's called takism. have your cake and eat it, too. what you're seeing from a lot of congressional republicans, they want the border wall, they don't want to use the national emergency. yet they're very concerned about pirating that money away from these four different spending pots from programs that they like. so they want a back fill there.
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cakism, as i say. so there's a lot of the narrative and that's where people on capitol hill on the republican side and particularly on the senate side among senate republicans are trying to have it two ways. >> shepard: thanks, chad. we'll be standing by with you as the event is underway. we'll have all the video of all of it in just a few minutes. we're keeping a close watch on israel and the gaza strip this afternoon to see whether an early morning truce is holding between the israeli military and hamas after a tense night of rocket fire and air strikes. of course, the sirens began echoing around tel aviv just about this time yesterday. a warning that israel's iron dome missile defense system detected incoming rocket fire. the city opened public bomb shelters and at the time the military reported that iron dome intercepted one of the missiles. now we're told that by the military that they did not intercept the rocket launched at
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tel aviv but shot down three others, which is the source of their own confusion and those came from the gaza. hamas denied they fired the rockets in response, israel his about 100 targets in the gaza overnight. military officials say it looks to them like the rockets were a misfire. trey yingst reporting live from jerusalem. trey? >> shep, an extremely tense situation here over the past 24 hours as israel conducted the air strikes in gaza last night. militant there's began to fire more rockets into southern israel. our cameras captured the exchange of fire. some of them were intercepted by israel's defense system, the iron dome. as the night went on, israeli fighter planes and attack he helicopters at hamas targets. four were injured. i spoke were a senior hamas
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official inside gaza that indicated the weekly border demonstrations would be cancelled today. i received a text from that official. he said the situation is still tense, but he described it right now as okay. shep? >> shepard: trey yingst reporting live. thank you. north korea is threatening to suspect nuclear talks with the united states and start testing again. less than a month after president trump left his summit with kim jong-un with no agreement. a senior north korean official tells the associated press that chairman kim has mysteriously wonderful chemistry, that's a quote, mysteriously wonderful chemistry with president trump, but does not like the atmosphere of hostility. that's another quote created by the secretary state mike pompeo and the national security adviser john bolton. pompeo responded thusly. >> in hanoi on multiple
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occasions, he spoke to the president and his commitment that he would not resume nuclear testing nor missile testing. that is chairman kim's word. we have every expectation that he will live up to that commitment. >> shepard: kim jong-un will make a decision soon. let's turn to michael o'hanlon from the brookings institute. what historically would suggest that conditional will do what he says? >> shepard, hi. very good point. the question almost answers itself when you put it that way. i think that kim jong-un is probably trading positions in public with the trump administration not so much the president, but steve began, a young man that is a very good negotiationer. he said we're not going to do any partial denuclearization.
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we're only going to do a deal that completely eliminates north korean nukes in one fail swoop. most people think that is a nonstarter. i'm hopeful that kim jong-un is returning rhetorical hardline fire with fire and that both sides are sort of alerting the other, you're going to have to rethink your extremist views or there can't be any deal and we're back to the precipice like 2017. i don't think anything to be what it seems or what the words say. i think we're seeing negotiations happen in public and i still hope that we can move towards a compromise. >> shepard: michael, forgive me but there's breaking news. the veto is signed. our chief white house correspondent, john roberts, is live there at the white house. john? >> we got notification from the pool that the president has put pen to paper and issued the first veto of his administration. vetoing the measure, which would block his emergency declaration. in doing it, the president said he would veto this reckless resolution. that's what it was. we're on track for a million
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people rushing our borders this year. people hate the word "invasion" but that's what it is. the president at the veto signing, the attorney general, william barr that backed the president up. the vice president was there, kirstjen nielsen was there, a number of angel parents who have had children killed by people in the country illegally. we don't have notification that the pool has exited the oval office. they don't have reason to hang around much longer now that the president has signed it. we should get the play-out soon. in total, probably 15 minutes, maybe longer. a lot to chew over this afternoon. we'll see what some of the opposition members on capitol hill might have to say about what the president did this afternoon. so still a lot of news to be made from this white house this afternoon.
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a lot of reporting to do, shep. >> shepard: chad pergram -- john, thanks. chad pergram on capitol hill. this is the beginning. >> yeah, this is the beginning of the return of the process. keep in mind, this will only go to the house of representatives. probably about 40 votes short there. this will not go to the senate. that's where some people thought that those 12 senate republicans that voted in favor of ending the national emergency yesterday had air cover. it wasn't going to go to the senate so they might say, you know, i'm for ending the national emergency but i don't have to vote to override. there was a lot of behind-the-scenes arm twisting there a lot of strong arming trying to get republican senators not to go with this effort to end the national emergency. what this tees up here in the next couple months and i know people don't want to hear this term, but the possibility of another government shut down. the government is funded through september 30th, the end of this fiscal year. that's when they reopen the government after the 35-day shut down that earlier this winter.
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because they have been unable to undo this national emergency, i can see a scenario as the appropriators write the bill, putting provisions in there saying the president cannot use a national emergency for this purpose. that could tee up a series of vetoes or a big vetoes on an omnibus or spending bill. that, shep, will be a battle royale come fall. >> shepard: i just got a read-out from the white house pool. quite a thing going on there. the president speaks. a number of other people speak. we have a photo of the president signing the bill that we'll get in just a second. there's sheriffs that speak, the mother of someone that was killed by an undocumented immigrant will speak. the president will say essentially i was elected by a very, very great group of american people, millions and millions of that want security. we're going to sign something that will give us safety at our
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border. the truth is after this signing, there will be a legal process. the legal experts have suggested to us that the chances are very, very slim that anything will happen right away because this matter will be tied up in legal suits. the reason for that is very basic. the house of representatives controls the money as prescribed in the constitution and as written by the founding fathers. and when the president made the decision to build the wall by moving funds around or by declaring an emergency, he did so after the house of representatives had already said no, we're not doing this. so that is one avenue for legal challenges. we're expecting the legal challenges will come almost immediately. and largely this will become largely what it has been, a
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political matter. our chief white house correspondent john roberts is out there. i'm guessing this event is about to wrap. >> yes, you're talking about the legal ramifications of this and the legal angle. that's why the attorney general bill barr was there. we don't see him in public very often. he was there at the president's side. just got some rough notes on barr talked about. he said emergency circumstances require and this is key here. this is the kind of situation that was designed to deal with. the crisis is on our door step and here's the key phrase. presents the american with clear dangers. that's what the department of justice is going to argue against all of these myriad of lawsuits that have been filed. as i said, private organizations have filed them as 21 states
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banding together. this may get tied up in the courts. the president has about $4 billion to play with for a while until it gets to the supreme court. >> shepard: chad pergram on the hill. there is some division on the republican side and more who would come over. again, it's a matter whether you can convince people and voting about the constitution here. they've been very clear about that. they have different ideas how to do it. some don't want to go around the constitution. >> you have members on the republican side that are constitutionalists. >> shepard: so this is coming. i believe a matter of seconds
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away. final bell ringing on wall street as well. we had quite an up date on all -- on all the markets. the vast majority of the dow 30 are in the green. the white house signing ceremony for this veto to be played back now. >> neil: thank you, shepard. this is "your world." the president doing something that he's never done. he's got a veto, his first veto. we're going to get the play back from that shortly. that's where we find john roberts today. i think hess been on every hour throughout the day on every channel. john, it's good to have you. what is your sense of what we're getting from the president today on this? >> we're getting a lot of what the president has been saying the last few years now about border security and the need to build a wall. to stop illegal traffic, whether it's human beings trying to


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