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thanks for watching. we'll see you again next weekend. ♪ ♪ chris: i'm chris wallace. a suspected white supremacist commits one of the worst mass shootingsan ever, gunning coulde worshipers at two mosques in new zealand. what can bein done to stop extremist hate? ♪ ♪ >> white nationalism is a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. chris: we'll discuss the live stream killing spree. >> i will be signing and issuing a formal veto -- chris: as well as the president's decisionsp to overre congress' rejection of his border emergency with white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, first on "fox news sunday." then, the 2020 democratic
presidential field continues to grow. >> i don't think there's ever been a greater moment in our r lifetimes and for this countr. chris: we'll discuss how democrats plan to take back the white house in our first 2020 sit-down with presidential hopeful south bend mayor pete buttigieg. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. plus, a dozen republican senators vote against the president to block his national emergency declaration. we'll ask our sunday panel if there's a a growing gop divide. and our power player of the week, a billionaire's pledge to diee broke. is it fun to give away money? >> it is. it is a joy. chris: all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. thepl d massacre at two mosquesn new zealand is raising new questions about white supremacist hate and the role of
inflammatory rhetoric on social media. the suspected gunman appears to have been motivated by anti-muslim and anti-immigrant ideology. and the horrific crime is an ugly reminder of attacks on houses of worship in this country. in a moment, we'll speak with white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. but first, let's get the rate from ryan chilcote reporting from london. >> reporter: in new zealand, a traditional dance in honor of the 50 killed in the country's worst-ever terror attack. on the streets of christchurch, families grieve. authorities say they're now returning the victims' bodies to the families. the 28-year-old suspected gunman appeared in court saturday. his face blurred under the judge's orders. under scrutiny, the australian's extensive travel to turkey, bulgaria and pakistan. and the 70-plus-page, hate-fueled manifesto he posted online just before the attack.
in it, he claims this 2017 terrorist attack in stockholm when a truck was deliberately driven into a crowd killing five changed him. trinvestigators are also looking at its similarities to a manifesto written by a norwegian neo-nazi who killed 77 people in 2011 and the attacks on the tree of life synagogue and the charleston church shooting. the suspected had five firearms, all of which he acquired legally. new zealand's prime minister says that's unacceptable. >> we cannot be deterred from the work that we need to do on our up gun laws in new zealand. they need to change. >> reporter:un the prime minister's office received the suspect's manifesto via e-mail just nineec minutes before the attack. and that was, of course, just before the assailant used facebook live to broadcast his attack for a full 17 minutes. now, facebook has issueded a statement, they say they removed a fullme 1.5 million videos of e
attack in the ensuing 24 hours, and they say that they're removing all of the videos, even those that have been edited to remove the violent scenes, out of respect for the family. chris? chris: ryan chilcote reporting from london, thank you. joining us now, the white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney. mick, welcome back to with the fox news sunday." chris: thank you. i forgot to wear a green tie this morning, thank you for bringing that up. what's the latest on the latest into the new zealand mass? is it -- massacre? what's being done to beef up security around mosques in this country? ra>> i won't go into the specifc of the discussions with our allies. by thear way, the kiwis, some of our closest allies in the global f war on terror, some of our closest friends, so it was especially hurtful, i think, to see this happen to some of our people we consider to be our closest friends. the president talked to the prime minister yesterday, so
this is a truly sorrowful and tragic event. but we have no indication this is part of a larger conspiracy. i don't think we've taken any -- we've suggested any additional security here in the united states. but clearly, they are going through some terribleun times in new zealand. i understand they're taking some steps in newso zealand. i think they're concerned other folks might be involved down there, they made suggestions about how to operate mosques in the next couple days. such a truly, truly tragic situation. chris: in his 74-page manifesto, the shooter wrote this: were, are you a supporter of donald trump? as a symbol of common purpose, sure. what does the president think of of that? >> i'm a little disappointed you didn't put up the next sentence. what about his support of his policies? deared god, no. i don't think it's fair to look at the passages and align him
with nancy pelosi or ms. ocasio-cortez. this was a disturbed individual, an evil person, and to sit and try to tie him to an american politician of any party probably ignores some of the deeper difficulties that this sort of activity exposes. chris: i want o to make it clea, i take your point, and i wait to -- want to make it clear, the only person responsible for this slaughter is the shooter, not president trump.t but some critics have said that he has contributed over the years to an anti-muslim climate. here is one of his statements from the campaign. >> i think islam hates us. there's something, there's something there that is a tremendous hatred. chris: and after the attack, democratic senator kirsten jill bartend tweeted this: time and again, this president has 'eming boldened white supremacists and
covers for them. and some folks were disturbed after he saw the manifesto, after the shooting which said he was doing this to kill, quote, invaders, the president said this when he was signing his veto message: >> people hate the worden invasion, but that's what it is. it's an invasion of drugs and criminals and people. chris: i understand, and i very much agree that the president is not responsible for this action. but has he considered, given the fact that some people seem to feel thaton he has given them cover, has he considered giving a major speech condemning anti-muslim, white supremacist bigotry? >> you've asked a couple questions. let's talk about what senator gillibrand said. there's folks who just don't like the president, and everything that goes wrong, they're going to look for a way to tie that to the president. they say, oh, my goodness, there must be some connection. that'sgo just absurd, to say there's some type of connection
between being against illegal immigration, which is what the veto was about, and the ruthless live streaming murder of 50 people. the two things have nothing to do with each other -- chris: okay, let's forget all of that. to the degree that there is an issue, let me just ask, that there is an issue with white supremacists, anti-muslim bigotry in this country, and there is, why not deliver a speech condemning it? >> you've seen the president stand up for religious liberty, individual liberties. the president is not -- [laughter] a white supremacist. i'm not sure how many times we have to say that. and to simply ask the question, every time something like this happens overseas or even domestically to say, oh, my goodness, it must somehow be the president's fault speaks to a politicization of everything that i think is undermining the institutions we have in the country today. let's take what happened in new zealand yesterday for what it is, a terrible, evil, tragic act and figure out why those things are becoming more prevalent in
the world. is it donald trump? absolutely not. is there something else happening in our culture where people think, you know what? i think today i'm going to go on tv and live stream me murdering other people. that's what we should be talking about, not the politics of the abunited states. chris: if i may, all i'm saying is that the president speaks out about a lot of things he's not responsible for, and he doesn't feel there's any link. terrorism, why not make a speech and make it clear that there is no place in america for this kind of hatred? >> i think you saw that yesterday in the tweet. not sure what more you want the president to do. you may want a national speech to address the nation. that's fine. but i think you get down to the basic issues, the president is doing everything we can to prevent this type of thing from happening here, to make it clear, look,oi this has to stop. the work that we do, including as i mentioned at the outset with our kiwi friends, to prevent this from happening, is a very central part of defending this nation.
look, it's a tragedy, and i get that. and we're in a hugh-partisan sort of time -- hyper-partisan time in the country, but that doesn't mean we need to marry these two events. chris: okay. you were at the table with trump and kim at the summit. we can see you there in the foreground on the left in vietnam. and the north koreans have now said after those talks fell apart they may end all talks between the u.s. and north korea, and they may resume nuclear and missile testing. if they do so, how will the president respond? >> i think the resumption of the missile testing would be seen as sort of a violation of some sort of breach of trust. i think there was a general understanding that there was no reason for that to continue as long as we were continuing to have conversations, and the conversations continue. we did not get a deal in vietnam. i think those folks who thought it mightrs be easy for us to gea deal don't understand the complexities of the issue. it took reagan and gorbachev many, many times to solve just a piece of the nuclear weapons
problem. the discussions can and should continue. i can foresee the president and the chairman sitting down at some point in the future. but if they were to begin testing again, that would be seen as a truly disappointing turn of events. chris: and would the president have a specific response? >> i don't know. i'm not going to speak to that. i'm not going to be disappointed. he has a very good relationship with the chairman. the fact that we didn't get a deal in vietnam doesn't mean that the relationship was imperilled, it just means there was no deal to be had at that time. it doesn't mean there's not a deal in the future. chris: i want to ask you about the president's veto on friday of the resolution that congress passed blocking his declaration of a national emergency on the border. before the senateki acted, the president tweeted this: a vote for today's resolution by republican senators is a vote for nancy pelosi, crime and the open border democrats. what does the president think of the 12 republican senators who
defied him? >> i wouldn't say he's happy. i think that tweet is probably exactly where we saw things. i had a bunch of phone calls from my former colleagues saying, oh, this is a big constitution constitutional issue. by the way, there was a lot more senatorsea concerned about where was the money going to be coming from. but,wi fine, some folks voted oe waylk for what reason, they migt have also voted for a different reason. but this waser a border security issue. go back, this is what we've been fighting about now since october when we first -- chris: so are those 12 senators soft on the border? >> this was a border security vote. it's up to them to tell their voters why it was more important to overturn the president than secure the southern border. thepr question i don't think anybody's asked, and if you would do this, this would be great, get one of the 12 and ask there's anu think emergency on the southern border? they have of toth say yes. democrats will say yes.
the numbers of folks crossing every day are through the roof. there is an emergency, period, end of story. the next question is what are you doing about it. the president is doing everything he can. would ask those who voted against the president last week what are you doing to solve the national emergency. chris: i've got a minute left. >> understood. chris: congress keeps asking. you say a lot of those senators were mostly concerned about where was the money going to be taken from. congress keeps asking where's the money going to come from, which military construction projects will lose their money, and the pentagon has failed to give that information. i'm told your agency, the omb, the office of management and budget, has that information. will it be given to congress? the list of the military construction projects which lose money under the national emergency, will that information be given to congress before they vote whether to override? >> the assumption in your question is not right. you're assuming there's a list we're not giving to congress which is absolutely false. there's a process that we're
going through that we -- chris: there was a report in the paper, i may be wrong, that the apentagon had given the list to omb. >> no, that is not true. there's no identified list of projects that will not be funded. these are identified projects that will not be touched in fiscal 2019. that may be what you're hearing about. through thegoing process of prioritizing what projects are on the pentagon's books for 2020 and beyond, already funded, that are not as high a priority as the border fence. chris: and finally, will you beat the override? >> yes, sir. in the house, no chance. chris: so the president's veto will bee sustained. >> will be upheld in the house and won't have to go back to the senate. chris: well, no, because if it's upheld, it doesn't go to the senate. thanks for coming in on st. patrick's day. >> sorry about the -- [laughter] chris: the world robe malfunction? -- wardrobe malfunction? up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the 12
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university, gerald cy from "the wall street journal" and katie pavlich of townhall.com. well, jerry, republican senate leader mitch mcconnell warned president trump, don't go for this national more than, because if you do, you're going going tt beat -- and, in fact, he did. how do you think the president's decision to ignore mcconnell plays for him and for those 12 republican senators who decided in the end to go against him? >> well, look, the 12 republican senators list is pretty interesting. what is the common threat? on only one of them is actually running for re-election -- >> susan collins of maine. >> on the other hand, a lot of senators who are running for re-election next year, martha mcsally, thom tillis, they all voted to sport the president. -- support the president. the concern in the party is that if you're opposed with by the president, you're in trouble in the republican primary. so the political power of the president was in some ways
reaffirmed, or at least the fear of the president was reaffirmed by this vote. chris: we asked you for questions for the panel, and on this issue of those republican senates voting against the president, voting to block his declaration, joe piper tweeted this: my question to these 12 republicans would be, where is their loyalty? katie, how do you answer joe? and it was interesting, because even though i didn't bring it up, mick mulvaney did, well, you know, those republican senators said it wasn't an issue of immigration, it wasen a matter f the separation of powers and congress' power of the purse. >> i think that's correct if you look at the reason why republicans voted for or against, they talked about the factte that they do believe the president is overreaching. you have a number of republicans including ben sasse who had an interesting vote to keep the national emergency. i thought he would vote against it. and in his justification for doing so he says, look, i do believe we have ceded too much authority to the executive branch which is why i'm supporting legislation
introduced by senator mike lee to actually take back some of that power from the executive and give it back to congress. there wasn't a split from republicans about the issue the national emergency in terms of a crisisis on the border that is ongoing that nobody seems to want to fix on capitol hill. the issue was the separation of powers. the republicans have put forward real legislation to actually take back some of that power, and nancy pelosi has said they're not going to take it up for a vote which proves this was political, not just taking back power from the president whether republican or democrat. chris: all right. let's get to the underlying issue here, and it's actually the one that mick mulvaney brought up and said we should ask republican senators, is there a crisis on the southern border? here's what president trump had to say about that. >> inn many cases, they're stone cold criminals. and in many cases and in some cases you have killers coming in and murderers coming in, and we're not going to allow that to happen. chris: now, the president points
to last month when more than 76,000 people were stopped at the border. that's the highest monthly total in 11 years. but of those, more than 40,000 were family units. and, karl, that raises my question which is the family units, to they really want to be -- do they really want to be, does a wall stop them? don't they want to be caught, because they want to claim asylum, so in that sense is the right answer more wall or to change the laws so you can turn around family units from central america theri way you can from mexico? >> el, look, the mix has changed dramatically. in the early part of the 21st century it was mostly single men, mainly from mexico coming here fore jobs. and a wall helps stop those people. but you're right, the asylum seekers, the family units which is what the current immigration flow largely is, they want to show up and surrender to the immigration authorities, and a wall really doesn't matter there. but the border is being hit by
both types of people. the single males, many of them from central america now rather than mexico, and the family units. so you do need the wall, and you need a change in the procedures that we have dealing with families. this all goes back to a 1993 u.s. supreme court case that was then memorialized in '97 in an agreement between the clinton administration andto some of the parties to the case called the floor race agreement. and -- flores agreement. you have to keep the families together in as best a condition as you can, and you have to release minor children to either relative, a guardian or an entity that agrees to take care of them. and this has been, this makes a magnet for these kind of families. and we just don't have the laws and the facilities to deal with them. two answers: pass a law that changes the rules, or the dhs, this is a consent agreement, dhs can promulgate regulations. chris: all right.
moe, this is the way the president is now framing this issue. >> i think anybody going against border security, drug trafficking, human trafficking, that's a bad vote. thebo democrats are for open borders. they're for crime. frankly, they're for crime. chris: is that going to be a hard issue for democrats in to f 2020? >> look, for a president who came out on the night he was elected and said i want to be a president for all americans to now call democrats, saying that we're for crime and we hate jews,me like, that's going to ba big problem for him. onca this issue, specifically on this issue, i think democrats can be out there saying we have a plan to actually deal with immigration. we need to have border security. there's no one out there saying we shouldn't have border security. most democrats on the hill though are not naive enough to think a wall is the full answer, and they want to invest in technology. they want to do drones, lots of things on -- have more agents.
chris: nancy pelosi says i don't want to give a dollar for the wall. >> because when the president is saying that the wall is the end-all, be-all -- >> he's not saying. >> but democrats have come forward saying they are fine in investing and building up and repairing where there is fencing, but there needs to be more. well, they are actually, karl. >> they're w not. >> how can you say no? >> look, robert francis to roarke says tear down the wall we've got. please. and the democrats have mutual ground on things like border security with technology and so forth. but the one big difference is the democrats cannot accept the fact that a wall, physical barrier is necessary on some parts of the border despite the fact that a democratic president -- >> except democrats on the hill. you can talk about presidential candidates, certain members of congress, but the ones who are actually in the room, at the table negotiating this have been -- >> oh, nancy pelosi, so she
didn't mean it when she said not a dime? >> if you look at the packages thatpl democrats have passed in the past and that they are promoting today, the democratic majority in the congress is for investing overall -- [inaudible conversations] >> see, this is the problem. karl, you know i respect you tremendously, but this is all you guys want to talk about. let me -- >> it's an issue -- >> katie, hold on. [inaudible conversations] >> there is more to immigration, there is more to immigration than just a wall. >> illegal immigration. >>mo and as hard as you guys wat to make it about that, there is more to it than just a wall. hold on -- [inaudible conversations] you cut me off a number of times. >> don't lecture me about immigration reform. i -- >> you have cut me off a number of times. >> -- republicans supposedly agreeing upon border security, technology and into forth. where they disagree is the majority in thelo democratic caucus don't want money for a border wall, period.
>> karl, there's so much more, there is a humanitarian issue that is pulling people away from central america. you guys will not let go of this -- chris: we're going to take a break here. you can continue the argument outside. [laughter] see you a little later -- and i bet they will. when we come back, the 37-year-old from south bend, indiana, known as mayor pete is looking to break out in the crowded democraticng field. pete buttigieg joins us live for a "fox news sunday" sit-down with the 2020 candidates. that rocking chair would look great in our new house. ahh, new house, eh? well, you should definitely see how geico could help you save on homeowners insurance. nice tip. i'll give you two bucks for the chair. two?! that's a victorian antique! all right, how much for the recliner, then? wait wait... how did that get out here? that is definitely not for sale! is this a yard sale? if it's in the yard then it's... for sale.
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joining us now for our first "fox news sunday" sit-down, south bend mayor pete buttigieg. mayor, welcome. >> thank you, good morning. chris: so, today kirsten gillibrand entered the race, there are now more than a dozen candidates officially in the race, you'reas the only one who still has an exploratory committee. when are you going to decide whether to get in? >> so we put together the ponsettee and rolled it out in would be to the idea of a midwestern millennial mayor something the conversation for president, how would thehere bea level of interest. now we're seeing a all of those things. because i'm not highly famous and not personally wealthy, it takes a little bit to get the organization in place for a launch. you only get to launch once, and i'm not going to make any news this morning, but all of the signs are pointing in the right direction, and when we do come out, it's going to be a big one. chris: people are trying to make sense of this huge, sprawling field, young versus old, further
left versus more moderate. what's your lane? >> i don't know. i think everybody wants to fit you on an ideological is spectrum which i think has never been less relevant. people just want to know what your ideas are and whether they make any sense, and part of how we were able to succeed in south wednesday -- governing, i believe, in accordance with progressive values but also earning support from republicans and democrats -- wasn't by trying to manage exactly where i was on the spectrum. i view myself as a progressive, but these labels are becoming less and less useful. chris: one more sport of political question. one of thehe ways in which you stand out is if you're 37, and if elected, you would be the youngest president ever. to some degree, people talk about you as the bright, shiny thing in the field. the question is now that beto o'rourke is in it, some people in the grassroots say he's the brighter, shinier thing. how do you combat beto and, like
him, were you born to be in this race? >> i think i was born to make myself useful, and i'm not combating anybody. there are going to be competitors more than opponents, i think, among the democrats. and that's a, good thing. i do believe i'm not like the others. i belong to a different generation than most of the others. mine wasas the generation that s in high school when school shootings started to be the norm, we're the generation that's going to be on the business end of the consequences of climatete change, we're also the generation that's on track to be the first in american history to make less than our parents if nothing is done to change the trajectory of our economy. i think having a voice from that generation, having a voice with executive leadership -- identify got to tell you, i know i'm the young face, but not only do i have more years of government experience than the president, but identify got more years of executive experience under my belt thann the vice president. i think that's relevant. and i i think coming from the industrial midwest a place where, unfortunately, my party
really lost touch with a lot of voters especially in 2016, it's a combination of attributes, not to mention the military service i bring to the table that is different from the others, and and i'm looking forward to competing. chris: let's do a lightning round. quick questions, quick answers. to the degree that you think you have one, what's your core message? >> well, the biggest idea is about -- chris: this is lightning round, so you've got to be quick. >> generational change and then liberty, democracy and security. when you unpack each of those ideas, they point you in a specific direction with some policies behind it. maybe the rest of the lightning round -- chris: let's turn to what some of the other democrats are talking about, what's on ideologicalat agenda. a lot of democrats pushing the green newg deal. you have said it's more of a goal than a plan. explain. >> that's right. it's a handful of pages laying out a goal to cut carbon emissions before they lead to changes that really destroy our economy and any prospect for people in my generation to do
well. i'm thinking about what the world's going to look like in 2054 when i goat to the current age of the current president, and if we don't act aggressively and immediately on climate, it's not going to be a pretty picture. chris: are you saying, for instance, that some of the talk about retrofitting every building in america or trying to make the country carbon-free by 2030, that that's just unrealistic? >> we're going to have to do it -- chris: by 2030? >> if we can't do carbon-free, we'll do net carbon free, which means we're taking out as much as we're putting in. we have got to do this. this timetable isn't being set by congress, it's being set by science, and it's going to hit -- those deadlines are going to hit with or without us, so we have to act. what thehe green new deal gets right is it realizes there's also a lot of activity in this, retrofitting means a huge amount of building trades in this country.
chris: okay. we're way over the lightning round. medicare for all, you say it should be for all who want it. >> that's right. i do believe that a single-payer environment is probably the right answer in the long term, but i think any politician who toulouse around phrases like -- throws around phrases like medicare for all has a responsibility to explain how we would get there. you want to put it on the exchanges as a public option, and if people like me are right, that that is both good coverage and more cost efficient, then more and more people will buy in -- chris: so was kamala harris wrong when she talked about eliminating private insurance? >> i view it differently. think about medicare itself, you still have medicare advantage, even countries like the u.k. still have a o role for the private sector, so i think there will be a role, but a very different one than we have in the corporate system today. chris: the supreme court, you talk about possibly expanding the court from 9 justices to 15. >> yeah, but it's not just about
throwing more justices on the court. what i think we need to do is some kind of structural reform that makes the court less political. we can't go on like this where every time there's a vacancy, there's this ideological battle. so the idea that -- one idea that i think is interesting is you have 15 members, but only 10 of them are appointed in the political fashion, five of them can only be seated by unanimous agreement of the other 10. there are other ideas about term limits or about rotating justices up from the appellate bench. i think we should have a national debate about what's appropriate especially within the framework of the constitution. but the bottom line is we've got to make some kind of structural form to depoliticize the supreme court. chris: after donald trump's victory in 2016, you wrote an essay in which you said that -- i think it was called something from flyover country? was that -- >> yes. chris: correct? you said democrats have largely, and to very much their cost, have ignored the industrial
midwest. how would you take on donald trump, and specifically how do you beat him in michigan and ohio and wisconsin, that upper rust belt that he took away from the democrats? >> well, again, coming from a former auto manufacturing town in the northern part of indiana, this is my home. and i understand why our party largely lost touch. but i don't think it's just about donald trump. as a matter of fact, i think in many ways he's a symptom rather than a cause. where i come from, there are a lot of people who are under no illusions about the character of the president but voted this way in orderer to make a statement. some people, i think, voted to burn the house down because they'd seen how for years democratic and republican presidencies produced economic and social and political results that let them down. we have got to be speaking to people. chris: okay. forgive me, that seems a little gauze city. so how do you say to the people in those states, you know, that feel that they've been left
behind by globalism, things like that, globalization, i've got a better answer than donald trump? donald trump talks about jobs, and the unemployment rate is at a record low. he talks about restoring manufacturing jobs -- >> and, look, we've been restoring manufacturing jobs in our community too, but we're realistic about the fact that with automation it's not going to look like the old economy. the president's promise is to turn back the clock, that we can somehow just go back to the 1950s, and it's just not true. the economy is changing, the pace of change is accelerating, and what we've got to do is master those changes inn order o make them work for us. there are some very specific policy moves to do that, increasing the minimum wage with, delivering portable benefits so that when you get disrupted from your job, it's not such a disruption in the rest of your life. there are things that a we can and must do to make sure that as these changes come -- and, again, they will with or without us -- that we can actually succeed especially in economically-vulnerable communities like where i come
from -- chris: okay. let's talk about yourth record because you've been the mayor of south bend since 2012. let's put it up on the screen. more than $800 million in private investment including a downtown, more than 4,000 jobs created, more than 1,000 abandon homes demolished or repaired in your first term. but the violent crime rate in south bend went up til last year, and you'ved had a continuing problem with homelessness. and i checkedin it out yesterda, the unemployment rate in south bend is higher than for the state of indiana as a whole. so pluses and minuses, yes? >> it is true that i've not fpersonally resolved the problm of violence, nor the problem of homelessness. but i will say that we're doing more around homelessness than i think hase happened in our community in 30 years, and i think that characterization of the violent crime rate isn't quite fair either. when i was a kid, it was not unusual to have more than 20 homicides in south bend, last year we had 9 -- chris: i understand, but if you look at your term, it had gone
up -- >> it was up and down, if you look at the homicide rate. look, i feel like i've been fighting gun violence and homicide in our community with one hand tied behind my back. but i i am proud about everything we have done as a community to come together -- by the way, a low income community. our per capita personal income just went over $20,000 a year. so, yeah, we have challenges with economic growth, we have challenges with crime, we have challenges with homelessness. but the way our community has risen to meet those challenges is something i'm very proud of. chris: why are you in such a hurry? why not wait a few years, get better known and run for president, say, at the ripe old age of 43? >> it's not about becoming president. chris: you're running for president, it is about becoming president. >> it's about america. it's about what america needs. all the decisions i've made to run for office in my career and all the decisions i've made to not run for office are about the moment, what is called for and then what i bring to the table.
i see this very unusual moment. look,on it's unusual for it to even be plausible that a 37-year-old midwestern mayor is giving national a interviews abt a possible candidacy for president. but there's something happening right now that calls for something completely different than what we've been seeing. generationally different, regionally different, somebody with a different life story and a different background. and to the surprise of many, including myself, this moment could be the only moment over the last hundred years or the next hundred years when it's appropriate for somebody like me to be in this conversation. buty i'll tell you, with that moment shaping up, i'm not going to miss that moment. chris: mayor, thank you. thanks for joining us today, and we'll be watching you on the campaign trail. >> thank you. chris: up next, we'll bring back our sunday group to handicap the growing democratic feel for president from beto to bernie to the candidate lots of people are still waiting for, joe biden. >> thank you, thank you. ♪ ♪
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>> literally, the future of the wod depends on us. >> i think he's got a lot of hand movement. i said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? chris: well, former texas congressman beto o'rourke announcing his campaign for president, and president trump wasting no time mocking the rising democratic star, and we're back now with the panel. so he got into the race, long on grassroots support, and media attention, short on record and specific policy proposals. moe, how do you see him faring in this big and sprawling democratic field? >> i think he's one of the great unknowns of this race, to be honest, you know? there is a big difference between -- i'm a fan of beto o'rourke, i think he's a dynamic candidate. but there's a big difference between taking on ted cruz in a
wave with election year in texas and then running on the national stage against a field of democrats. and so now all these people who really were impressed by the kind of grassroots campaign he amn in texas now are waiting to see how he does out there. this is the phase of the campaign where candidates are sort of explaining their world views, right? the direction they want to take the country. the policy specifics will fill in as the campaign progresses. so that's what he's doing now. he's out there saying i'm in, here's what i think the world should look like. we'll see how he does now filling in those details. chris: do you think you could get him to stop moving his arms so much? [laughter] >> if there's a debate between beto o'rourke's hand movements and donald trump's, i think we're going to have a dizzy election. chris: i wasve going to say, tae some dramamine. karl, i've been waiting since he announced, and i want you to callyo him beto, how seriously o you take beto o'rourke?
>> yeah, i take robert francis o'rourke very seriously. [laughter] he speaks well, he can rouse a crowd. he's got a sense of authenticity. it was ironic his announcement was basically made by a generous interview with vanity in its title, but he is an attractive candidate. on the other hand, his record is thin, his ability to talk about these issues is elusive, and the biggest problem i think he's going to face is, is that, look, he had 2017 and through september of 2018 where ted cruz, his opponent, never engaged him x. now he's going to be engaged every single day. we saw, you know, he gets in, and we see an immediate dump of oppo research -- chris: he was involved with a group of hackers -- >> exactly. and he, how he's going to deal different kind of a
campaign where he had free runnining to me is david plouffe, who's a very smart guy -- chris: the campaign manager for barack obama. >> a signal that the obama-ites are going to get behind him, and will he listen, because like his original boss, barack obama, robert francis to roarke seems to think he's the smartest guy -- chris: why do you hate calling him beto? >> because it's a phony name. when he went to elite boarding school, did he call himself that? did he call himself that at columbia? when he was the memberdi of a grunge band? no. once he began to run for office in a heavily latino county, he stopped calling himself robert francis to roarke. i'm merely calling hum by the name on thell ballot. r4, it's a good name. chris: okay. [laughter] the top contenders in the democratic race are mostly in
with one notable exception. take a look. >> i'm the most progressive record of anybody running for -- anybody who wouldwi run. [cheers and applause] chris: that was last night. [laughter] he thenun crossed himself and tried to correct himself on this. jerry, how certain are you that he, joe biden, is going to run, and how do you assess his strengths and his potential weaknesses if he does get in? >> first of all, how certain? 95%. but, you know, it's joe biden. 5% is still not 0%. i think it's very likely. that was a very telling clip which you just showed. this field is not fully formed until biden is either in or out. he will test the proposition of how much change do democrats really want this time. do they want somebody transformational, or do they want somebody who's proven at the end of the day because they
mostly wantte to beat donald trump? we want somebody who's a proven candidate, who can beat president trump. n that's our number one, number two and number three priorities. i don't think we know because the activists in the democratic party have one answer to that question, the democratic primary voters en masse may have a different answer to that question. i suppose they're more pragmatic, and i suspect that means joe biden has got a pretty good shot. chris: katie, let's assume biden gets in, so he's in the field. who do you think -- and i understandnd it's awfully early, but who at least at this point do you think would be the one or two candidates that would be a e most potential threat to donald trump? >> i think that joe biden would be a very big threat just based on the path to 270 and the lessons learned from the 2016 campaign. the democrats believe that joe biden can talk to people in the middle of the country who have been left behind the similar way that donald trump has but on a more progressive side of the
political spectrum. and it's going to be interesting to watch where the energy is really when it come down to voting in the democratic party, because we've seen this leftist populism and this need for an outsider, right? people outside of washington with both in the republican and democratic side. we'll see how that plays out in a primary -- chris: nub other than biden -- anybody else other than biden? >> i think biden's the guy, yeah. in terms of beating donald trump. democrats say that is the goal. but i don't think that barack obama's going to jump in as an endorsement, actually. i think he's going to wait until the primary's over based on the people i've talked to. but one thing i want to say about ohio, for example, i was there a couple weeks ago, and people there are saying there's no way people who went to donald trump in 2016 are going to magically switch back to democrat. they feel loyal to the president, they feel like he's brought results and is jobs back to their communities, and they're going to reward him with a second vote in 2020. chris:ru okay.
i've got one minute left. again, i know it's early. give me the two or three candidates you think will be around in the democratic field at the end of the nomination battle. >> i don't know, but here's who i'm watching. i think joe biden, obviously, for all the reasons we've been talking about. i think pete buttigieg is a a fascinating candidate who can make real noise in this race and really help steer the debate. ilcamilla haste has been runnina very -- kamala harris has been running a strong campaign, and i think amy klobuchar has been a bit of a surprise to a lot of people in these early stages. we'll see if she can sustain some of that early momentum she's seen. >> anybody else? >> amy klobuchar is my choice or dark horse. you know, female candidate from the upper industrial mid with west, exactly the place where democrats need to win -- chris: and a little bit more in the center. hold that thought. [laughter] we'll have to do it next time. thank you, panel. [laughter] see you next sunday. up next, our power player of the week, a billionaire businessman who is vowing to die broke. ♪
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is it fun to give away money?s >> it is a joy, truly a joy to help other people. >> he means what he says. the 83-year-old businessman and philanthropist makes this promise. >> i will die broke. everything is committed to different organizations. >> why. >> my children are well taken care of and my employees are well taken care of so i will die broke. >> do you have any idea how much money you've given away over the years? >> currently about 1.6 billion. >> he made his fortune in banking and credit cards in sioux falls south dakota. it was in 2003 where he donated $16 million to build a children's hospital that looks like this. >> i wanted it to look like a disney castle instead of something that would scare them. this is t a a joy.
>> his big donation came four years later, $400 million to buy a local hospital system and turn it into sanford health. now 44 hospitals in 20 states and nine countries focused on cutting-edge research. >> i'm planning one. type one diabetes, breast cancer, my mother died when i was four. >> he received oral and award from research america. >> thinknk beyond and work toward a life of significance. i took that challenge to heart. >> he announced $ another $25 million gift to do genetic testing of veterans, to make avre they get the right treatment. >> will have 250,000 vets that had cancer and now go back to them and find their biomarkers, if you will, to try to determine what is the p best medicine for them as
opposed to a standard prescription. >> you might think, given the size of his giving, he has a foundation with a big staff, s but that's not denny sanford's style. >> i can do it myself. i have a staff of one person, my full-time assistant and she helps me through the process. simple. >> his friends have a nickname for him. >> my best friends call mel walt, worlds oldest living teenager. i'm old that mind and young at heart and i enjoy life. >> like everything else, his plans for the future could not be more direct. >> just keep enjoying life, h help other people. that is my goal. that's why god put me on earth. >> denny sanford approaches philanthropy like an investor. where can he do the most good for the money he gives away. before he is done hee said that will be more than $3 billion. that's it for today, have a great week and we will see you next fox news sunday
>> previously on scandalous, the trial of william kennedy smith. [inaudible] >> smith was charged thursday with reaping a 29-year-old woman. >> lloyd black was the best criminal defense lawyer in miami. >> ward black had a lot of people working with him it was just on the other side. >> it's difficult sometimes not to feel that my family is on trial for me and some