tv Tucker Carlson Tonight FOX News March 22, 2019 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
♪ ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. for close to two years, american politics has been stuck in a state of suspended animation. two years, the city, the city of washington has been utterly consumed by the far-reachingun investigation of special counsel robert mueller. the business of running the government, improving the lives of people who live here, those have been a distant second for two years. tonight, the mueller era is ending. at 5:00 p.m. this afternoon, robert mueller delivered his report to the attorney general to the united states, william barr. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the mueller report has not been released yet but there are some things we want to know about its contents. we wanted to start with our
special coverage with mollie hemingway. mollie, thanks a lot for coming on. what strikes you about what we know now? >> we really won't know yet what's in their report. there are a lot of calls for people to be transparent about it. one of the interesting things we find out today, there are no newro indictments that are comig from a special counsel. the reason why that's significant, you take a step back and think about what brought us here. several years ago, there was a political operation that was secretly bought and paid for by the hillary clinton campaign and the democratic national committee to claim that donald trump was an agent of russia. this was back to the media who largely took it uncritically and accepted it and push it out. then it was weaponized by some of the highest levels of our federal government and was used to justify wiretaps against trump campaign affiliates, the placing of human informants against the campaign, and all sorts of actions that were pretty extreme. eventually, the blood to the special counsel. for years, we had this slow drip
of stories claiming that when it all came out, we'd find out that donald trump was definitely, the evidence showed, and nature to russia. learning that they are no more indictments comingng down, if tt were true, if it were true he were a nation under pressure, you would not be seeing one indictment, you are seeing dozens if not hundreds. >> tucker: justified indictments. if the president was a agent of a foreign power, yes. >> hopefully would be taking it very seriously. we've been promised they were evidence. high-ranking members ofco congrs claiming there was evidence. to find out that in fact there is no evidence to support such an indictment against anyone closely affiliated with the president, all sorts of other people caught up in ms. probe, but not for treason exclusion with russia to steal the 2016 election. that is significant, no matter what comes out of this now, and there should be people who are held accountable for having uncritically spread this theory without evidence. >> tucker:r: i agree completely. of the many threads, may be the most significant is the fact --
not the speculation -- the fact that a presidential campaign was spied upon by the government of a rival party. barack obama's administration spied on donald trump's presidential campaign. the pretax resource inclusion but they did it. why isn't the press more curious about that, why isn't former president obama testifying that might testifying? >> part of the reason we have not had more answers from president obama is the first issue. the price of been remarkably incurious about this. normally this would be the story that reporters would wait a lifetime for, finding out that the fbi was so politicized that they were running informants, spying on a presidential campaign, they successfully secured a wiretap against an individual who, it's worth noting, just found out today, there are no further charge is coming. that means that wiretap was run against that individual and there might have been several wiretaps against individuals with no indictments coming. that means they were harassed by the federal government and they were not with the federal government had claimed. >> tucker: that is it right
there. the proof is in the indictment, or lack thereof. if i violate your civil liberties, if i make it impossible for you to make a living, if i destroy your reputation, such that you can't have a job again -- they for knighthood number of people -- then i don't and argue for the crimes everyone has accused you of, doesn't that mean that i was wrong, you are right? >> search in the not suggest they were right to secure wiretaps. it's also interesting because people said, mueller is wrapping up, let's move on from this. good to know that president trump is not an agent of food and, as if they want real harm or damage caused by people weaponizing this information operation that was thepa hillary clinton campaign operation. as off the country weren't harmd by it, as if our attorney general burned completely kneecap. as if you didn't have people having to pay a lot of money to defend themselves against this investigation, and if you didn't have people undermining the administration for several years. people need to be held accountable for what they did to spread this theory, and that is
true both inside the government at outside the government. the media want to move on and quickly find a way to justify their behavior but i don't think people forget what they were subjected to for the last several years, and how people who were skeptical of this crazy collusion conspiracy theory were treated when now we see no more indictments. >> tucker: they injected poison into the bloodstream of this country. you are right you know to theho former attorney general jeff sessions, whose reputation was completely destroyed. >> he was supposedly an agent of putin. >> tucker: he was attacked by the president to faithfully serve because of this investigation. he should have not recused himself. >> tucker: i agree but he was an honorable man.n he's been hurt by this. so many victims of this and i hope we take time. somebody takes time to apologize to each one of them and they try to make it right. mollie hemingway, great to see you. t thank you for starting off the show.an it is you heard, the mueller report has arrived, no further indictments according to a senior dod official. that is it. no one also be invited to this
investigation. to repeat: after all of this, years of this, not a single american citizen has been charged with anything related to russian collusion. not one person. not michael flynn, roger stone, george papadopoulos, paul manafort, carter page, donald trump. many of these people have half their lives ruined by the mueller investigation. some could die in prison. not one of them colluded with russia. people on tv have been lying to you. they'll deny it now. they will tell you this wase always about trump's taxes or some foreign real estate deal or hush money he paid to a girlfriend. that is a crock. this investigation was always,wi from day one, about collusion with russia, about butchering this country.or they told us that for years. we have the tape. >> what makes you believe that he has more indictments? >> because he hasn't addressed the issues related to criminal conspiracy as well as any
individual -- >> criminal conspiracy involving the russians? >> yes. >> that scenario, you know something about. that investigation was developing while you were still on the job. >> it was, in terms of looking at what was goinger on with the russians and whether or not persons were actively collaborating, colluding, cooperating, involved in a conspiracy or not. but also if there's going to be any member -- >> did you see enough at that stage to believe that theree wee now -- that would result in indictments once investigated? >> t i thought at the time there was going to be individuals who were going to have issues with the department of justice. >> tucker: that was a former o cia director, one of countless retired intel officials you see parading across your screen every night, all of them paid by msnbc or cnn, to tow the party line, all of them no better. they are lying. it's a habit made and picked up years ago.
members of congress did the same. the big one among a thousand examples, here's tennessee's estate: telling us that most of the trump family is bound for prison prison. >> they're getting closer to knowing the truth will come out, there was activities with the trump campaign and russia and releasing those taxes, guiding them to the states and localities where they came from. some of that was jared kushner's responsibility. some of it was donald jr. i think you will probably see indictments of both of those people. >> tucker: thathe van is a sitting member of congress. he's wearing a necktie. he's on television. people believed him. why wouldn't they? is an authority figure in this country, and he was lying. so richard blumenthal, who were sent down mike spent years bringing shame to the state of connecticut, o his mock certainy ms and many, many other occasions. >> there are indictments in this president's future. they're coming. whether they are after his presidency or during it, obviously, thef department of
justice cannot indict a sitting president. >> tucker: of course there was howard dean. the former governor of vermont. dean was also, if you can remember, that far back to 2004, a presidential candidate. at one point, look like he was going to be the nominee of the democratic party. he went on to run the dnc. he's on television constantly. people have long whispered that howard dean is not all there. they say he yelled so much because he can't think very well. they claim he is so slow it takes them an hour to have to watch 60 minutes. you don't want to believe any of that is true. it sounds cruel. d on the other hand, they might be right. >> we believe we may well have a criminal and the m white house d the next step is going to be the trump family itself. i expect there is a good likelihood jared kushner will be indicted for money laundering and we will see how far the russian involvement goes. this is serious business. the people are undermining our democracy. >> tucker: he was never serious business. another lie. it was ludicrous.
it was always ludicrous. no matter how much evidence you muster, you will never convince congressman eric swalwell of that. he is the original collusion truth here. there is no element of the russia conspiracy that eric swalwell, who's been on the show many time, it isn't eager to believe and magnify. he really ought to have an overnight radio show on ams radio, he will be able to tell us how puting. secretly runs the bilderberg. cnn loves eric swalwell. for years, they've broadcast uncritically at virtually every letter lunatics claim swalwell has ever made. here's one example. and moreking more clear that donald trump was part of a criminal campaign, criminal court transition, now presides over a criminal presidency. >> tucker: a criminal presidency. what's criminal is what just happened. we have lived through three separate investigations into russia collusion, not just mueller, but the committee in
the house and the committee and the senate. they spent years looking ms. t in the end, they found nothing. but during that time, this country, the country they are supposed to be running, has become obviously and measurably worse. suicide, drug audis are up. life expectancy is falling. the borders are a mess. we have no clue who lives in this country, to the tune of millions of people. maybe tens of millions. we have no idea! the schools are a joke. you wouldn't send your school down my kids to them if you had a choice. infrastructure is crumbling. hundreds of thousands of americans sleep outside every night. so what are our leaders talking about? what are they spend their time by stressing over? what do they get tv bookings to rant about? some irrelevant meeting with a minor russian lawyer in trump tower three years ago. the new york city subway barely works. thee largest city in the united states smells like garbage. people are fleeing it. what is bill de blasio, the mayor, talking about? 's ranting about putin!
this is a disaster. how can we let the people who were responsible forer continuos if it never happened. how can eric swalwell and adam schiff keep their seats of the house ofen representatives? they should resign. how can jaff decker remain at cnn after we now know that much of what has network folders for two years is a total lie? and it is a total lie. what about the victims of this monstrosity? there are many. roger stone is facing life in prison. he was indicted by an investigation designed to find collusion, on minor charges. drag from his own home and a morning fbi raid. they put an amphibious vehicle outside his house and pointed automatic weapon in his face. also find collusion. but there was no collusion. stone is still looking at life in prison. where's roger stone's pardon? 's pardon from the president? let's hope it comes very soon. the mueller investigation is over as of tonight but the record remains. for the sake of this country,
let's clean it up quickly and move on. chris hahn is a ready host and former staff ear to senator chuck schumer. i want to congratulate you, you are one of the people who said, i am very concerned that there was criminal collusion between the trump campaign and russia. i think that's a fair concern. whenever our leaders tell us out to another country, we have to be upset. tonight we know that's not true, no one was indicted, unequivocally, no one indicted. how are you celebrating this great news? >> [laughs] no one wanted to see the president indicted for collusion with a foreign power. >> tucker: of course not. >> there are no more indictments coming, i think we have to read the report and find out what happened. i don't think anybody is owed an apology based on the trump role where you don't apologize for anything ever. >> tucker: i'm not invoking the trump role. i amr. invoking common sense, decency, and logic. people allege a crime, no crime wasri found, unless you are accusing mueller of somehow being in trump's camp were not on the level.
i don't think anyone thinks that. no crime was found. our country, if there is a crime -- we indict you, if we can, we don't. that is straightforward. your attorney, you know that. we now know -- >> absolutely. >> tucker: why aren't we celebrating? i'm confused. >> everybody wantsre to read the report before they celebrate anything. ii know i want to read the report. >> tucker: i want to read it, too. >> the attorney general releases the report forthwith. it's something that needs to be released immediately to the public barring anything that needs to be redacted. >> tucker: you'll find no disagreement here. >> i know youo want to see it. i think he will join me right now and saying that we should all see the same time. >> tucker: okay, i would like to see a lot of other documents, like the fisa warrants that about the obama administration to spy on american citizens. on the bases of water? why can't we see that? >> there were 20 russians that were indicted by the special
counsel. >> tucker: code, i don't care, they are russians. i'm talking about americans. >> that may have stemmed from the fisa warrants. >> tucker: hold on. i don't care about the u.s. government treating foreign citizens. i don't care on the border, i don't o care if they are russian agents. i care about american citizens. the point of our government is to protect them. american citizens have their civil liberties violated by the obama administration's on the basis of what? we don't know. why can't i see those fisa requests? >> i think this request might be part of the report. definitely part of the underlying documentation of this report. i think we should see it. i think the president should declassify everything in this report today. >> tucker: i'm with you on that. and those fisa warrants. >> declassify everything. we need everything to the public right now so>>if we e can see te underlying documentation behind mueller's report. >> tucker: we are having a vigorous agreement. i want to get to -- we only played the tip of the cable news
iceberg, the tape we have of people predicting indictments of every member of the trump family, calling trump a criminal, calling him treasonous, betrayed his country, he's going to go to jail. all those people were lying. wrong, at best. should a member of congress whose alleged a crime -- why would they allege it if they didn't know? these are guys that are sitting on the freaking house until it committee who have access to any information they want, they oversee our intel community! how can i get away with saying that? theyarn it's not true and keep their seats? how does that work exactly? >> how did they do that when the republicans were investigating hillary over benghazi and her emails and there were no charges? >> tucker: okay, the republicans are bad -- -- >> i don't remember people calling for them to resign. no one was calling for them to resign. >> tucker: i am now asking you a simple question. i'm not here to defend the republicans. i attacked them all the time, trust me, and a mean it when i
do. i want to know how anybody of any party who stood up and alleged a crime, especially someone with access to the highest level of information on the house intel committee, proven wrong, proven a liar, can hold his seat after that? i don't understand! how canan you do that? >> that is up to the people -- the american people who put them in there. that is something for their opponents to challenge them in their election. that is what we live in. we live in a democracy. he won might it be helpful -->>o okay, no. maybe there's a thing called honor d and decency. if i get cut -- >> no. >> tucker: oh oh, okay. what you are saying is the chairman of the house ointelligence committee, one of the most powerful members of congress in washington, most powerful people in this country is now a known liar, and reckless serial liar, and we are okay with him running the house intelligence committee? adam schiff of burbank,mm california, ? >> i think that would b
congressman adam schiff said was there might be some counterintelligence issues we need to lookok at. they may not have been criminal. we don't know what kind of influence the president is under due to his financial dealings. it might be criminal, it might not cry to the level of indictment but it might be something americans should be concerned about and should understand. that is why we need to see the entire report. >> tucker:if adam schiff accused the president and his kids and me -- and me on camera -- ever working for the russian government. now we knowno that's not true. if you are doing that, you would be indicted. none of us were. how can he have that -- >> hold on. >> tucker: how can he have the role of the chairman of the intel committee? i'm serious! >> you are suggesting that everything he suggested was a criminal action that required an indictment.
that is not necessarily what he said. there are a lot of things that need to be understood by the american people and that is what this report might show us. >> tucker: i believe -- we'll see. thank you very much, chris, good to see you. michael tracy is an independent journalist who is already on the road covering the presidential race and he joins us tonight from an undisclosed location. michael tracy, you are one of the very few people who has noted this weird nexus between news outlets and retired intelligence officials. it seems like a very unhealthy arrangement to me. do you think it is? >> i think it's unhealthy and i think it will contribute to a fundamental inability for the media to self reflect on what it got so horrendously wrong throughout this episode. johnt brennan, a colleague of yours in a different network, that my dis- incentivize you to do a thorough audit of the practices which leded to such a false impression being conveyed
across the airwaves about what the story actually entailed. you know, this past weekend marked the anniversary of the iraq invasion. since then, all the top media promoters of that invasion have ascended to high levels of power and influence. i could name a couple, many of whom, frankly, appear on this not work on occasion. >> tucker: you are right. one of them is a national security advisor of the united states right now. so yes. >> if i could speak to president trump i would ask them, why are you -- why did you appoint john bolton, one of the main promoters of the iraq war to be the members of your security team when you said it was a disaster? that such aggression. the point is, the strong-russia story is a media failure of probable magnitude. less death, thankfully. but just as much total inability -- total factual indiscretion. i think something similar is going to happen where the people who were proven decisively
wrong, and were proven to have deceived the american people for two plus years, now approaching three years, they are not going tor pay any price. they are not going to face any consequences. if you or i or normal people feel that their drug miserably, they would probably, i don't know, get demoted, fired, they would suffer some kind of reputation all consequence but not so for the media elites who have been leading the charge of the story, who had a lot of influence on the security state officials, like andrewho mccabe, who launched one of the investigations into at the fbi. listen to andrew mccabe on his recent book to her. it almost sounds like he's a devoted reader of david from at the atlantic, he worked for george w. bush, he helped coin the axis of evil phrase, he was a leading advocate for the iraq war, a leading advocate of russia gate. a lot of crossover. andrew mccabe feels like he was just scrolling through twitter, like, reading
"the new york times," didn't have any privileged information, that we know of, that led him to launch these unprecedented investigations into the democracy of the president. >> tucker: i want to finish out the segment with this question. you got right to it. i think it was yesterday, former fbi director jim comey wrote an op-ed in which he basically predicted what we found out tonight. no indictments, no collusion. so the obvious suggestion is, jim comey had some kind of inside source of most beloved investigation. shouldn't that shake the faith that all of us have in our institutions? >> well, knowing that james comey that the institution for so long has it shaken the faves of many people. i don't think it's going to make a huge difference. let me just say one more thing, tucker, i'm having to disclose my location, its new hampshire, where the presidential candidates are campaigning. the democratic presidential candidates have totally be clown lofor themselves these issues. in large part they have adopted
the most maximalist interpretation of what the trump-russia conspiracy consisted of, irrespective of skeptics saying, let's exercise caution, let's not lead to conclusions. the one exception, the candidate i'm covering, tulsi gabbard, who juston last week said somethingo the effect of, the people who have been calling trump russia's puppet have actually distracted from the reality that trump is actually contradicted much of his campaign rhetoric and taken aggressive actions toward russia, and that is what democrats should have been emphasizing this entire time, rather than -- >> tucker: you are totally right. >> this conspiracy rabbit hole. >> tucker: for her to say that as an active real bravery right now. thank you very much for joining us tonight. good to see you. >> thanks. >> tucker: probably nobody has covered the story more closely than kimberley strassel of "the wall street journal" and we are happy to haveou her on tonit to help make sense of what we know now. what do you think we know now?
from the limited data that we have at this point, what do you conclude? >> a couple of things that somep of your prior guests have pointed. one, the important thing is, ith is done. two years on, that matters for a couple of reasons, because it's not just the fact that it removes this cloud hanging over washington, but it also enables the president to do a lot of things that he's been constrained from doing. every time he would go and contemplate a certain action, they would say, you can do that. you are obstructing the mueller probe. that is removed and that will change the dynamic in d.c. that is one. two, no indictments, and obviously, mollie hemingway went through why that's important. three, another thing that has been overlooked, attorney general bill barr sent a letter to congress and he pointed out, as he's required to do under a special council guidelines, that he had no cause at any point to overrule any of mueller's decisions in the end. so that puts to bed the other
vast conspiracy theory going around the last couple of years that somehow mueller was never going to be able to complete his work, obviously, political interference, somebody -- remember everyone saying we needed to have legislation in congress to protect the special counsel? he was never in any risk of that. basically, that barr transmission proves that. it also suggests, reading the tea leaves,le that that mueller reported a straight up and bill barr didn't feel like he had to intervene on anything. >> tucker: how much -- i'm so struck -- an acute number of these conspiracy theories it seemed to bubble up from social media, twitter especiall especially. then emerge from the mouths of elected officials, supposedly responsible people. how brokend and complex is this conspiracy world that a lot of the left lives in right now? >> you make a great point. we should have been done with this, we should have finished
all of this and had a conclusion more than a year ago when our congressional committees come after months and months of diligent work, admitted that they could find no evidence to support any of the claims that people have made on the other side. if you step back from that, we also should have gone from the work that robert mueller was doing himself. court case after court case, dealing with the central figures here, none of which in any of the filings, and the end of the court documents, had any reference tohe any of the main collusion conspiracy theories that have been out there. if anyone had taken a deep breath, this would have all been very obvious sometime ago. but there is an entire industry, and imagine some congressmen, you mentioned the media, that haveat an interest in riling ths up every day as a way to delegitimize this presidency, and arches of presidency can but his agenda as well, too, which is a very clever way of doing it. you say they guard the very top is corrupt and therefore everything he is doing is
corrupt. there is a political advantage for them having dullness all these years. >> tucker: they have preset advantage. kimberley strassel, thank you so much. good to see you. one of roger stone's associates from to, jerome corsi, released a statement aboutf the end of te mueller probe. "i feel vindicated, they offered me a plea deal which i thought was fraudulent. ii did not knowingly and willfully give them information i knew was false. the fact is, i wasn't going to lie to keep myself out of prison. i did nothing wrong, and it is clear i did nothing wrong, or they would have prosecuted me." he was threatened and pressured to sign a deal that would have sent him to prison. he refused. in the end, he was never charged at all. what does that tell you about this investigation? that fact right there. ♪ fox news alert, for those of you just joining us, the mueller report has been delivered. the investigation is over. the report assets with the attorney general. there are no indictments for
collusion or anything else coming next. democrats have already pivoted, congressman adam schiff previously set collusion was a certain thing. he knew it. the evidence was hiding in plain sight. that was a lie. now he says it doesn't matter anymore. more investigations are coming no matter what. >> one of the great many unanswered questions, and if they are not answered, then we are going to have to answer them, we have to find the truth. >> tucker: oh, the truth. three investigations, two years, not enough. so what is the new plan for the democratic party going forward? chief national correspondent ed henry joins us to not. >> tucker, good to see you. as has been a situation where you had adam schiff, eric swalwell, you mention them before, had visions of collusion, obstruction, may be plums dancing in their heads for a couple of years now, and it
hasn't been there. they missed a key point, which is follow the facts. i may be to his credit, we need to see the details of the report, may be mueller actually followed the facts. this is an important point. you and i were on together in mid-january. remember the night that robert mueller, to his great credit, came forward and said that buzzfeed story was wrong, that claimed that president trump had directed michael cohen to lie to congress. that was critical because cnn and others ran with that buzzfeed report and said, if true, this could lead to impeachment. robert mueller was saying, it's not true. secondly, i think it exposed not just, as he played that card from adam schiff and other democrats who got ahead of the facts, , and off a lot of people in our business who got way ahead of the facts. >> tucker: you have to wonder -- that's right. not for the first time. we had a guest a moment ago,
michael treacy, who pointed out that there were similar support for the idea that there are weapons of mass instructions and a rock. i don't want to be litigated. by the way, i believe that there were there weren't. you have to wonder, no one was ever sidelined after that. will there be reassessments and news organizations after tonight? >> i think you know the answer to that, wages it's highly unlikely, even though there should be a lot of questions about all this. but i think the president and his allies have been out there attacking robert mueller and maybe now they are going to do soul-searching and say, that work for them politically. but in robert mueller's report clearing the president, again, if, they will they will all of a sudden say, hey, we like bob mueller, we like this report. he followed the facts. i h think all sites here have bn jumping ahead of this, tucker, when in fact maybe everybody should have taken a breath. you've been urging us for a long
time. there was this hysteria about everything associated with russia, and where their contacts between tribal officials and russia? yes. we've seen that, papadopoulos and others. he ended up spending a week in a few days in jail. nothing to be trifled with. his life was essentially destroyed. carter page, who had james comey and all these other people, when you talk about weapons of mass distraction, what i think about is, how many people in the government did we trust, did they know that they were weapons of mass distraction, how many people in this fbi and justice department did we all think we could trust that, if they are going g to get a fisa warranty d they are going to cereal an american citizen, boy, they will have the facts, tucker. >> tucker: let me ask you this,ve have you heard anything about pardons? specifically of roger stone. it looks like he could spend the rest of his life in prison for a process crime that would not have arisen without this investigation that already turn
out to be pointless. have you heard anyone talk about that? >> i hear people talk outside the white house very clearly that the president has been advised to let this investigation play out before he discusses pardons or does anything. i think based on the conversations i've had, i don't want to get ahead of it, entirely possible that you could see a paul manafort, others come apart. i'm not saying they will be. and it's been discussed by the others outside the white house. what's been made clear to me and my reporting, this was a wise to the president, if you start talking about pardons and/or actually pardoning people before mueller is finished, it's obviously going to make it look like you are impeding the investigation. he didn't get ahead of it. by the way, another important point, how many times did we hear adam schiff and others say, we must pass this piece of legislation to protecter bob mueller? because president trump is going to fire him. it will be the second version of the saturday night massacre. none of that happened.
yes, did the president tweet, that he stayed it was a witch hunt did he get in there and fight back? yes, he did. but he is entitled to do that. the first amendment protects us in our business and the president to be able to speak out. the bottom line is, robert mueller, you didn't need a piece of legislation to protect him. he was never fired. rosenstein was never fired. now we have the report. >> tucker: kind of an amazing day. ed henry, thank you very much.nk good to see you. we are drawing to not by former doj official. thank you very much. we just read a statement from jerome corsi who is a conservative writer around washington, author, who got, for very similar and racing thoughts, sucked this investigation he was sucked in by indictment by this beloved man investigation and he refused to admit to the crimes. he they never invited him. that seems fraudulently dominant fraudulent.
that c does not seem a straightforward, honest, honorable way to conduct an investigation. if you believe a man is guilty, and i him, if not, don't charge them. i don't understand what is going on. >> i don't d either. i can promise you when i was a prosecutor, if i had the evidence to indict someone, i was going to indict them. if i told them as going to indict them, i would have indicted them. it makes no sense to me. you are right that it does make it look fraudulent. this whole investigation has been a sort of damocles over the president at even over our nation. there is a significant number of people in this country who believe the president is a russian asset.nt the irresponsible behavior by politicians, former intelligence personnel, and this investigation shocks the conscience, or it showed. >> tucker: 67% of registered democrats believe the russian government changed vote totals in the 2016 election. this country has gone insane. the damage -- not sure we can touch it right now -- to the extent that we can, how do you estimate the damage to our
social fabric, confidence in our institutions, the institutions themselves from us investigatio investigation? >> tucker, it is really sad. i i think the worst damage is to our law enforcement institutions, the department of justice, the fbi. i left the department of justice. i am proud of the time that i spent there. i know there's many men and women there who are dedicated and to do the right thing but this really begs the question, justice? are there two separate systems of justice in this country? one for the elite and one for everybody else. it looks like there is two systems of justice. it is very distressing to me, as someone who fought hard, along most of the time with very little resources for women and children and others who have been victimized, to see that the justice system has been so misused. it is disheartening. >> tucker: so third world. what a powerful and sad statement coming from you, a
former doj official. thank you very much for your perspective, sad as it was. good to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: as we have been telling you, the mueller report is finally here. we are tracking every development in washington. taking out every piece of information that we can find. one of the first people we turn to always for information is fox chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. >> thank you can tucker. as you've noted earlier in the show, the report was delivered to the attorney general at the justice department. more specifically, special counsel robert mueller has indicated that he is recommending against further indictments in this case and that is effectively the end of the rush of prosecution. what also has been happening here at the justice department has been a parallel series of investigations were owned by the inspector general, michael horowitz, and they've been looking atat allegations that te surveillance warrant program was
potentially abused during the 2016 election, also, the leaking of classified information by senior individuals including james comey, at the fbi, and also allegations that senior fbi officials took gifts from reporters in violation of the ethics rules. finally, what i will say, when we have the benefit of hindsight and additional information, much of it coming from court transcripts now and lawsuits, is that in the fall of 2016, there was a fever pitch of russia collusion in the media. it was really built as an intelligence product. if what know now for my reporting is that it was not intelligence. itit was information that was opposition research that was given to more than a dozen reporters in washington. >> tucker: you really have been, from the very first day, i think some of the single most reliable source of this information on this investigation.
the picture you are painting is really troubling pride really is. catherine herridge, thank you very much. >>e thank you mike you're welcome. >> tucker: for more on what this means, we are drawing tonight by florida republican congressman matt gaetz. thank you very much for coming out tonight. what jumps on the mic out at you from all this? >> happy no collusion day, tucker. >> tucker: happy no collusion day. good point. [laughs] >> 675 days, tens of million dollars s spent, a team of peope who were biased against the president, and they could not produce evidence to even bring charges for indictments against people for the underlying allegation, conspiracy with the russian federation. you ask the operative question: what do we do not? my expectation is that we have to have a thorough overview of how we got here. how we allowed political opposition research to fuel an investigation that was never founded on any fact or reality. then we need to seek apology from the democrats in congress who said there was stone cold evidence of collusion, that they
had demonstrable proof that these things were happening. you look at all the work the president has tried to do around the world to end wars, resolve conflicts, reduce nuclear proliferation, a lot of that work has been hindered by the lies being told in this country that can be traced right back to the dnc and the clinton campaign. >> tucker: it is such a smart point. i can'tke believe that we are alighting over, flowing past the fact that the obama administration spied on the trump campaign. if the trump administration were using the department of justice to spy on the kamala harris for president campaign, that seems to me, it would be a very serious breach and a very big new story. by arena finding out everything we can about what the obama doj did to the trump campaign? >> it allo goes back to the fact that we allow secret courts to operate in the absence of transparency and that invites an opportunity for corruption. it allows people to politicize the highest levels of our ncintelligence community and/or investigative community.
here we need to have more transparency within those court systems.m. we need senate confirmation of fisa judges and ultimately we need to make the opinions published. you know who filed that bill, tucker? adam schiff. now he won't cosponsor his own legislation to reform the fisa process because he doesn't want the same rules that applied to president obama to apply to president trump. it's a double standard, its hypocrisy, and it doesn't allow us to move past this moment. the country never wants to have to go through another 22 months like this again, where we are torn apart based on a lie, political dirt, then we have thc blessing of our intelligence community, and fisa courts over something that it never should have begun. >> tucker: i didn't think i could learn anything about the story but you just taught meho something i didn't h know and is shocking. why do we have secret courts in the first place? great point, congressman, i'm grateful you came onbo to tell . thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: our coverage of the mueller report now in the hands of the attorney general united states continues tonight.
laura ingraham will join us after the break, and many others as we try to sort through the wreckageur of two years of a ho. we'll be right back. ♪ your student loans are holding you back... from buying a house, investing for retirement, and living your best life? it's time to refinance your student loans with sofi. you could get a lower monthly payment, amazing customer service, and you can see your rate in just 2 minutes. refinance your student loans, and you could save big. ♪
♪ >> tucker: the mueller report is k out. the one thing we know is it did not find collusion. the collusion was created to find and we know that because no one was indicted. plenty of people had their careers and names destroyed by federal and investigators desperate to do the bidding of who knows who. but it happened.
trace gallagher joins us to discuss the victims of the mueller probe. >> tucker, it's important to note who got caught up in the special counsel, there were 34 people and three companies that were either indicted or pled guilty, including 26 russian nationals, three russian companies, and six former trump advisors, five of the six former advisors pleaded guilty but as you say, not a single allegation related to collusion with russia to impact the 2016 election. former trump campaign foreign policy advisor george papadopoulos pleaded guilty in october 2017 of making false statements to the fbi. he was sentenced to 14 days in jail. paul manafort, trump's former campaign chair, was indicted on 25 counts of faking documents to obtain loans and financial crimes in connection to his work for the ukrainian politicians. manafort will serve about six and half years in prison. former trump campaign aid rick gates was named alongside manafort, accused of finance grams. former net national security advisor michael flynn pleaded guilty in december 2017 of makig
false statements or the fbi. michael cohen, donald trump's former lawyer, pleaded guilty to tax and bank fraud. and campaign finance violations related to hush money payments to womenhelawy who alleged affas with donald trump, and finally, roger stone, a longtime trump advisor, was indicted for obstruction, making false statements, and witness tampering. former trump and michael caputo it condemns the russia probe bee forcing his family out of their home and crushing his children with the immense legal costs associated with defending himself and themselves. tucker? >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks a lot for that. laura ingraham of course hosts "the ingraham angle." she's our friend and we are grateful to have her here. thanks a lot for coming on, as you prepare for your show tonight. there is a big witty angle to this. the press really drove a lot of this behavior and drug this investigation. at fox we are allowed to say, by our network, whatever we think is true, and they support us or not. you watch the other coverage, and really, it's just, they are
reading every hour from the same -- rachel maddow says what she wants to say. everybody else seems to be reading from some script that jeffff zucker wrote. however located are these channels are? >> i think the collusion between the media apparatus, the dominant media apparatus other than fox, andnd the dnc, the deep state, it's profound. the international elites who want to this all to be true. we have to remember, there is an international angle here, which we are looking at the ukraine angle but there is an international angle here because donald trump came along and he was the greatest rapper on the scene. i don't buy into what you are doing at the e.u., god bless you, i don't buy into your wine cellar is in your confab said you are think tanks. this whole industry employs thousands of thousands of people and donald trump says, this is not working n well for the united states. he was an existential threat to them. they cheered this whole thing on, they shall out the money for all thesell conferences where people like jon meacham, i like
jon meacham, he's a really talented writer, but when someone like jon meacham got caught up in this at msnbc, i was looking at this, he said this is the very definition of treason. what donald trump to do. he's historian. this guy is a pulitzer prize-winning writer. whenni someone like that can get caught and ensnared in this frothy frenzy to get trump, we have a big problem on our hands. i am so glad -- i watched every minute of your show tonight, as i do every night, but what youen said about the need for consequences and repercussions, just like with things like jussie smollett or uva rape case or what happened with the brett kavanaugh leaks, there needs to be repercussions, either the public needs to decide which it watch something else or there needs to be a criminalee investigation by bill barr into how this all went down, the fisa warns, the leaks that happened, all this stuff has to be looked
at. this cannot happen to another president. >> tucker: democrat or republican. >> i don't care who you are. the criminalization of politicst brought on individuals who are caught up in the gears in the machinery of the prosecution complex in this country. >> tucker: that is literally true. people call for my firing every day. >> ditto. >> tucker: yours, too. [laughter] >> think more slowly about these issues. >> tucker: i agree but i just wonder -- h so grateful -- i wonder how can jeff zucker continue to run that channel after what we just saw? they brought in newly released people from the government, who had run our agencies, who were getting information about this investigation, and putting it on the air as propaganda, it turned out to be lies. how can you do that? >> i think it's the buddhists said the fingers always pointed back at you. everything they say about trump, state-run tv, you are colluding, and the colluding at the state-run tv, they are working
for the deep state or the lead to state, whatever you want to call it, so they are all colluding and trump is like, wait a second, and i'm a guy from new york, i want to make this country better. i am on my own man, and i will take you off but i want to brag or to thrive really well thoughf people, who are smart people, are throwing the word treason, trader, the guy should be in handcuffs, he should be let outf the oval office. all of these people tonight you look at themselves in the mirror and think, maybe i need to re-examine how i speak on these issues in the future. now that we don't all make mistakes. dwe do, i do, we all -- >> tucker: i've made big mistakes. >> as do i. >> these were pronouncements that would destroy families, presidencies, and as you pointed outou earlier, and i'm so glad u did, the lost opportunities that we might have actually worked with countries that could box out trying on things. do we really not want to work with rush on anything?
ever again collects the last time i checked, china has the biggest threat to the united states. russia's economy is a size of france? >> tucker: texas. now russia and china are doing military exercises, and we are on the sidelines going, we need to act mean on everything with russia because of the mueller investigation. it had a profound policy effect on our government and that will never know the effect of the american people, our geo-political position, that mustn be examined. >> tucker: also the social fabric. i notice it here, like you, not from washington but i spend most of my life here, i've known your for much of that time. the city has become paranoid, distrustful, angry. i talk to people all the time, i can't text that you, i don't trust -- what you mean you don't trust your text? i can have this conversation, i'm too nervous. people are afraid. do you want to live in a place where people are afraid? >> where the prosecution state becomes so big and powerful, a
mere accusation can turn your life upside down. donald trump has a lot of money, he can defend himself, he happened to be innocent of these charges. he knew it all along. everyone who said, oh, yc meeting behindhe closed doors wh the russians? why did he pat putin on the back? there because he realized he had an obligation to look past mueller under the right thing in the moment for the country. they never gave him the benefit of the doubt. he deserved that benefit of the doubt. he never got it. >> tucker: what happens next? >> i think the left is going to go into a deeper rage. i think they will learn nothing from us, sadly.. maybe some of the smarter folks, like jon meacham. but i think now it's going to turn to -- not transparent, barr was brought into the cleaning man, this isn't a serious review. again, like we are sitting on the socialism lurch, lurching toward socialism, slouching
toward socialism, i think in this case, they will be in a very precarious position with the internal anger from activists who thought we finally got the road runner, we got wile e. coyote, acme tnt -- >> tucker: [laughs] >> they are going to freak by they will freak and i don't think much will change. it means they will move more radical on the policy front and try to whip up more enthusiasm. i don't see what else they do. put all their hopes and must evan jester? what we go back to that? >> tucker: which is grotesquely political size. so you are on and one hour, 6 minutes. >> let me hang on. >> we have joe digenova, ken starr, independent councils, and we have byron york, media angle, we will have a great show. and devin nunes. >> tucker: i will be sittingun in my living room watching it. as i do every night. >> tucker, always great to be on. ♪
>> tucker: fox news alert for you. for two years, washington has been completely halted by the mueller investigation.in now it's ending in both republicans and democrats are scrambling to respond to what we know so far. fox correspondent peter doocy is tracking their reactions on the hill. he joins us. hey, peter. >> tucker, democratic lawmakers are already saying that the doj needs to do more than just tell them what mueller concluded. they want to eyeball the evidence themselves. if that's not allowed, some democratic lawmakers are now preparing to subpoena the special counsel 11. >> i would first argue that the department cannot adopt a double standard and should cooperate willingly. but if it doesn't, we will have to subpoena the evidence, we will have to subpoena mueller or others to come before the congress and answer questions. >>o a different concert coming up for the top democrat in the center, chuck schumer. he wants to make sure that trump appointed attorney general does
not assent trump attorneys a copy of the report finding before democrats can inspects i. >> attorney general barr must not give president trump, his lawyers, or his staff and a sneak preview of special counsel mueller's findings were evidence, and the white house must not be allowed to interfere in decisions about what parts of those findings or evidence should be made public. >> democrat mark warner, helped lead a senate investigation into possible russian collusion, has the statement tonight. a book with a special counsel's report must be provided to congress immediately and theie attorney general should swiftly prepare a declassified version of the report for the public. nothing short of that will suffice." he worked on the investigation with richard burr, intel committee chairman, who says, "i trust special counsel mueller has conducted a fair and thorough investigation and i look forward to reviewing case report." so far, nobody in either party
on capitol hill has seen this report. some republicans are already saying, told you so, like steve scalise, the marty webb in the house he says the report, there will be no new indictments to confirm what we all along, there was never any collusion with russia. there is a republican senator lindsey graham who says i have always believed it was important that mr. mueller be allowed to do his job without interference and that has been accomplished. lawmakers that i've spoken to on the front and i do expect to get some kind of information about the findings this weekend, one issue in terms of putting her hands on it, just about everybody is out of town. tucker? >> tucker: peter doocy, great to see you. thank you very much. want to wrap up this hour with calmness, perspective, decency, kindness, the personon we go to for those qualities, of course, dana perino. she hosts "the daily briefing" at's "the five." >> i have good news. i will take leave it to the end.
you ask me my question. >> tucker: my question is totally open-ended. you've watched all this over two years. tonight, it's nott the final moment, but it's the beginning of the final moment. >> i think of it's not the final moment, just reading even the law fair blog, they are saying, i don't know if it's over, i think obviously want to see the report for your people are not going to be satisfiedti until ty see these underlying documents. as a laura and you were talking about, does there need to be repercussions for bad behavior? at the doj? however, i would say this, this investigation was actually shorter than the ones in the years past. although it felt really long. it was thorough. mueller was never fired. he was allowed to do his work, and the new attorney general did not interfere, did not block anything, he's wrapping it up, so the institutions hold for you there's not a constitutional crisis. i am also -- i'm very interested in finding out from the report
about russia's involvement in trying to interfere in our elections. because what we know from our intelligence community is that they are not stopping. as kirstjen nielsen said on the air earlier this week, cyber security is a huge problem for us. i will be interested to see what 2020 democrat would be willing to prevent away from this and say, okay, we've always said that bob mueller should be allowed to do his work. he was allowed to do his work.le let's let that work stand. let's now turn to how we can better govern the country.wh which democrat is going to do that? is there any of them that we do that? if they can't do that, they are going to miss out on all of these people saying, wait, you just at the mueller response to the finishes investigation. now he has. let's wait, see what bill barr does. i do thinknk it could take some time, tucker. they have to reject anything that is executive privilege, anything that is grand jury, anything that is classified or intelligence, it is not going to happen by monday. we look at the conclusion should but it won't happen by monday.
are you ready for -- >> sean: i'm ready for the good news. >> if it turns out that this is it, that mueller to the report, there is no collusion, there is no indictment, isn't that good news for america? there was no collusion there was an attempt by russia to get people in the trump campaign to help them and -- or at least there is no evidence that mueller can use to bring a case that says that it worked. i feel like america should be relieved, that is it. so let's all turn to the most important issues that we have to deal with, that would much rather talk about. >> tucker: things are better than we thought they were afraid ii agree! i open the show on that note! i was laughed at by a democrat. i agree with you. >> no laughing here. >> tucker: no laughing here. the gray dana perino. thank you very much. well, it's been quite an hour. we are out of time. fox's coverage of the mueller report will continue throughout the night and into the weekend and on until every detail is
known. will be back. the show that is the sworn enemy 8:00 p.m., monday. of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. have a happy weekend are the ones you love in spite of everything. sean hannity is next. ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity." we start with a fox news alert. the less favored conspiracy theory is now dead. it is buried. there was no collusion. no conspiracy, no obstruction, nothing. the witch hunt is over and there will be no further charges, no further indictments, after 675 days and nine months before that with the fbi investigation, and other words, almost three years total of an intensive come of your lunch investigation. robert mueller's report has officially been submitted to the attorney general of the united states. president trump, no more indictments. no collusion charges