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>> bill: nice sound. fox news alert now out of london. police have arrested the wikileaks founder julian assange on a warrant from the u.s. we could soon learn the charges against him. breaking news, good morning, everybody. if you're waking up major headline throughout the day. bill hemmer live in new york city. sandra has the day off. >> julie: i'm julie banderas in for sandra. assange was carried out of the ecuador embassy after the south american nation withdrew its asylum. >> bill: greg palkot is tracking this now. what have we learned? >> i think they're moving very fast in london. we understand that julian assange will be appearing now in a london court.
a couple hours ago he was brought out of that ecuador embassy and he could be headed to the united states soon. police went in when the ecuadorian government released the asylum he was using to be holed up there. he looked a lot different than when i met him in the past few times. hag ard with a grizzly beard. angry, screaming. assange is famous or infamous for the classified information that he has leaked from the state department and also from the pentagon via his wikileaks website with the help in part of then bradley manning. most recently he is famous for the 2016 leaking of democratic national committee, dnc and hillary clinton campaign messages and documents supposedly with the involvement of the russians. he is actually here for a little background fleeing sexual assault charges in sweden from many years back.
those have been dropped. he faces charges here for jumping bail and that could hold some kind of penalty. but now according to the reports the department of justice will be explaining in a couple of hours what the charges are that he could be facing and what kind of extradition could be involved, including in those charges possibly espionage. conspiracy. arrest indictment was revealed last fall by accident. he won't give up without a fight, guys. here is just a little bit of what his lawyer put out today. the u.k. courts will need to resolve what appears to be an unprecedented effort by the united states seeking to extradite a foreign journalist to prosecute. >> bill: why do we care about what he did or didn't do as we work our way through this story?
>> they time very crucial information back in 2010, information about movements of u.s. troops on the battlefield in both afghanistan and iraq. names and information related to the folks that we've come in touch with when we've been out there in the field, important informants that if the names come out they could be in real danger from the enemy, whether at the time it was taliban in afghanistan or al qaeda in iraq or other groups in iraq. also compromising information, embarrassing information for embassies around the world doing some very sensitive information. again, the other side is he is putting out information freedom of information. i think the interesting thing to note here, bill, is that for years -- i've talked to him over the years. for years he has been worried about being extradited to the united states. at the time in the obama administration they were a
little fearful treading on the first amendment rule. now even though president trump at first flirted with wikileaks when he was releasing the information by the dnc, now he is really going to be extradited or tried. it could be a long process. >> bill: julian assange, this word from justice department our producer at doj says assange age 47, the founder of wikileaks arrested today in connection. federal charge conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for agreeing to break a password and let me bring it up here, charged in computer hacking conspiracy is what it amounts to. that's the headline from the department of justice. finish your thought and we'll go forward. >> that relates to what the u.k. government is saying. their word was computer-related charges. we're also expected to hear from the foreign secretary here. it is and can be a long process, this extradition process. the u.s. and u.k. are tight right now. u.k. has its own problem with
brexit and doesn't want a distraction with fighting with the united states. one key thing, bill, we heard it from the ecuadorian government, apparently the u.k. prom iltioned ecuador that they would not allow an extradition of an individual to a country where he could face the death penalty. whether there was some agreement between the u.s. and u.k. that a death penalty would not be involved remains to be seen. that was an important point. something i'm sure the assange side will be bringing up as well. >> bill: good reporting there, greg palkot from london. audience, be patient. ifm -- agreeing to break a password to the u.s. government. on march 2010 assange engaged in a conspiracy with chelsea manning to assist manning in cracking a password scored on u.s. department of defense computers and goes on from there. cracking the password would allow manning to log onto
computers that was a username that didn't belong to her and -- it goes on for four or five paragraphs. main story today department of justice charges just announced. we'll be back on the full analysis and what you need to know on julian assange momentarily. six minutes past the hour. >> julie: another alert now. president trump says he may call in more troops to deal with the record surge of migrants at our southern border. the president's comment comes as several hundred more migrants set out from honduras heading to the u.s. and the shake-up goes on at homeland security with acting ice director announcing his resignation. >> president trump: i'll have to call up more military. but our military can't act like a military would act. >> the situation there deteriorates it's pretty
elastic in terms of demand on us. i would expect shortly here to have another request for assistance. >> julie: kevin corke joins us live from the north lawn this morning. >> good morning. like many will tell you in the trump orbit, change can be a have thing. change is a constant not just here at the white house but among his senior people. even though he likes to shake things up and change things, the changeover at ice was a surprise. a man who spent virtually his entire career trying to protect the american people, ron vitiello. he is now out at ice. this is one of those circumstances, julie, where you have a person who feels like he is doing all he can to stem this flow, this massive flow of illegal immigration, but with fairly little success in some ways because you still have them coming. even though he is doing a great job according to many on the groungd. he is now out. let me share a statement from
kirstjen nielsen. during his tenure leading ice ron has been unwavering advocate for the dedicated men and women who enforce our immigration laws and protect our nation from the illegal entry of drugs, human trafficking, trans national criminals and more. on behalf of dhs i want to thank ron for his service and dedication and we wish him the very best in this next chapter of his career. now the change is a reflection of the frustration by the president. it is a crisis, julie, by any definition. massive surge of foreign nationals attempting to enter the country, many claiming asylum. the president will do anything and everything to secure the border and to protect the american people, julie. >> julie: kevin corke.
thank you. >> bill: bring in guy benson. a lot to analyze on the julian assange news. good morning to you. i don't know if you've seen the statement from the department of justice reading through it here the charge relates to his alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the united states. let's react on this first. >> i think this is a positive development. julian assange, i don't think, is a freedom fighter. you might argue some of the transparency he facilitated could be a good thing. the evidence is pretty clear and our intelligence community believes he is an asset of the kremlin, a hostile power to u.s. interests and we have national security secrets for a reason. he helped expose them. i hope he gets a fair trial, which he should. i hope he gets extradited to the u.s. and faces justice. >> bill: in the at the same time refers to chelsea manning. used computers to transmit to
wikileaks. the u.s. government thinks there was conspiracy between the two of them. one other big headlines is bill barr's testimony from yesterday. let me take you back to the senate committee first. listen to this. >> i think that spying did occur, yes, i think spying did occur. the question is whether it was predicated, adequately predicated. i'm not suggesting it wasn't but i need to explore that. >> bill: is there evidence to support the action? i think that was his bottom line despite the headlines that are suggesting that this was a clear spying effort. what he tried to clear up throughout the day was that we need to figure out if there is evidence to suggest that the spying was warranted. go ahead. >> the hyperventilation over the word spying has been strange to me because there was undoubtedly spying on u.s. citizens connected to the trump
campaign during the 2016 presidential cycle. the question as barr correctly asked is was that predicated on something legitimate? did that investigation arise from something where the origins in the u.s. national security interest. we have some of those answers, not all of them. i think every american should be concerned about that. we know that there were fisa warrants issued, for example, based heavily on a dossier that was paid for by the opposition party. now, there may have been other factors at play here. trey gowdy is a guy i trust and he looked at some of the intelligence. he believes the f.b.i. and d.o.j. acted appropriately based on the evidence they had. there is an inspector general report in this. i welcome those conclusions and what barr said ought to be not terribly controversial. i support exactly what he testified. >> bill: that report should be out in may or june. we're on mueller report watch that could come any moment. thank you for that, guy benson
in washington, d.c. julie, 12 minutes past. >> julie: more on the assange arrest after the break and a look from the fallout from the barr hearing. we'll talk to the lawmaker who chaired that hearing when senator jerry moran joins us next. >> bill: awaiting a news conference. a string of church fires in louisiana. breaking details on that today. >> julie: it may be spring but a big chunk of the country is getting a record-breaking blizzard. >> we're stuck. will it feel like the wheend of a journey?p working, or the beginning of something even better? when you prepare for retirement with pacific life, you can create a lifelong income... so you have the freedom to keep doing
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republican senator jerry moran who chaired the committee yesterday with bill barr is with me today. let's get to bill barr in a moment here. what do you think of what happens with julian assange? >> when i learned this news this morning it was a sense that maybe justice will occur. i don't know exactly what that justice will be but the idea that we'll have the opportunity to question and for julian assange to stand for the charges he has been -- the things he has done. i think that's a good thing. one is justice, the other thing is we'll get some information particularly about russian involvement in the election. >> bill: that's interesting. some people see him as a hero. you see him otherwise. >> he broke the law. people who break the law if they're convicted they need to pay the price. >> bill: what i would say some people see him as a heroes, others a villain. you're in the latter category. do i have that right? >> a villain if he is convicted
of a crime, yes. >> bill: yesterday toward the end of the hour's long hearing with bill barr you had this exchange with him. >> i just want to make it clear thinking back on all the different colloquys here, i am not saying that improper surveillance occurred. i'm saying that i am concerned about it and looking into it. that's all. >> if there is something you want to amend, alter, correct, we would welcome either you to do so. >> if i review the transcript and see a problem i'll let you know. >> bill: a lot started with a statement he made earlier saying i think there was spying during the 2016 campaign. we have entered into the definition of surveillance or spying, sir. how would you sort through that today? >> i would say that we're -- those who are critics of the president and those who perhaps critics of the attorney general are overemphasizing the word spying. i think the attorney general made it clear. i was in the room and with the
attorney general for two hours. my takeaway is while he was talking about the efforts that commenced the investigation, were they based upon legal authority? and this idea of spying, he corrected or -- he made clear what he was talking about and he has a belief, a concern was his word, that something may have happened that was inappropriate and the question is did that occur? that's a very valid request of an attorney general to find out what the facts are. and this overreaction to the word spying seems to me just to be about partisan politics. let's find out what the facts are. we've had a lot of people demanding answers about the trump campaign involvement with the russian interference in our election. we want answers. i think the same thing applies here. the people who are wanting those answers ought to want
onss in this issue of the investigation and whether unpredicated as the attorney general might say spying occurred. in other words, unauthorized, illegal. something without a warrant. >> bill: i took notes on three questions from yesterday and with quick answers, too. have you overruled any redaction with the mueller team? he said no with the mueller report. have you spoken to the white house? he said no. have you spoken to bob mueller about obstruction? yes. went on to explain for a prosecutor was there a crime or was there not? do you think there were other headlines from that hearing that we might have missed? >> i think you've highlighted three important things and what my take from that hearing was, the attorney general is doing his job as he should. he has been open and straightforward with members of our committee. i agree with him that he shouldn't be telling us every decision until it's put in context. he shouldn't be describing every issue until we see the
report. and one of the things that i was able to confirm in my questioning of the attorney general is he intends to release the mueller report that has redactions in it. he is not intending to release a report of his that describes the mueller report. and so i think there is great value in the american people and in congress seeing what is in the report. i understand the legal qualifications of what must be excluded. and i think the attorney general expressed himself perfectly. we now await the report that he says is coming. >> bill: democrat jack reed of rhode island said what -- maybe at some point it's may or june we get the answers on that. when do you get the mueller report, your best guess? >> well, if history is practice maybe over the weekend. that's happened the last time. the attorney general has said at the end of the week or next week. that could mean a couple of
things. so sometime i would think very soon, maybe while congress is out of session for easter. >> bill: we're watching the calendar. thank you for your time, jerry moran, the chairman of the committee from yesterday. thank you, sir. >> julie: senator elizabeth warren doubling down on calls for a wealth tax and she looks to use her own tax returns to do it. plus a warning to users of amazon's alexa about exactly who may be listening when you talk to her. for a nasty cold, take dayquil severe with vicks vapocool. whoa! and vaporize it with an intense rush of vicks vapors. ahhhhhhhhhh! dayquil severe with vicks vapocool. the daytime, coughing, stuffy head, vaporize your cold, medicine.
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durham yesterday morning. they're in the process of evacuating people at the time of the explosion. a contractor hit a gas line. that investigation is still ongoing. search dogs are on the scene. fortunately no reports of any people missing. >> julie: major spring blizzard slamming states across the northern plains and midwest with some areas expecting two feet of snow. thousands of travelers stranded, power outages are widespread as this storm makes its way across the region. matt finn is live in minneapolis with more. hi, matt. >> good morning, julie. this spring blizzard right now has all the elements that make it dangerous and just down right miserable. all morning long we have experiencing strong winds. the national weather service saying wind gusts up to 40 to 50 miles per hour. in downtown minneapolis things are moving along okay. the department of transportation statewide right now is reporting more accidents than we can even keep up with.
there has been hail and sleet. reports of thunder. very slippery sidewalks and roads. everything that comes with a blizzard. of course, the frustration is compounded by the date. it is mid april and many places across wisconsin and the midwest and minnesota just enjoyed temperatures in the 50s, 60s and 70s days ago. now we've got this. we talked to some commuters a short while ago and here is what they told us. >> horrible, to be honest. i didn't expect the weather to change so quickly. >> slippery. the bus was slipping around. it was late. >> horrible. >> this spring blizzard is far from over. this morning the national weather service is warning travel will likely become impossible across western minnesota, the final snow totals could reach up to 20 inches. snow here is not a rarity this time of year but a storm like this i can tell you, people are not thrilled about. julie.
>> julie: matt finn, thank you so much. i have to say i have this thing, a love for snow. when i see these pictures. i really like it. i'm a little jealous. >> bill: the woman on the street didn't stop. horrible. >> julie: they're just miserable and not happy. if you have to drive in it that's terrible and then the power outages as well. >> bill: breaking news, julian assange arrested earlier today. justice department charging him with hacking of a computer conspiracy. there is this today. >> president trump: i have not read the mueller report. i haven't seen the mueller report. as far as i'm concerned, i don't care about the mueller report. >> julie: president trump sounding off on the mueller investigation as congress awaits a redacted version of it. former deputy independent counsel phil wisenberg will join us next. my experience with usaa
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suspicious fires happening at historic black churches in la la. a federal prosecutor condemning the acts as despicable. casey stiegel is on that. what do we know about the suspect? >> not a lot. 21 years old. we can tell you that. identified as holden matthews. he was booked last night into the st. landry jail there in louisiana. his mug shot isn't being released at this point but we expect to learn more information coming up here not terribly far from now in about 90 minutes or so there is a press conference scheduled to take place down there in louisiana where we hope to learn a whole lot more. to the video now of some of these devastating fires that have been impacting that region now for a few weeks and has had this community on edge no doubt. authorities in louisiana say the suspect is the son of a local sheriff's deputy in the parish and that his father is
the one who turned him in. it's really all we've got now. meantime, the local religious community vowing to rise up. >> think we might be able to start building for the church as well. we know what's done in the dark will come to the light so god will have the last say in all of this. >> the first fire happened at the end of last month destroying the st. mary's baptist church. a week later the greater union baptist church was hit. then two days after that mount pleasant baptist church. the naacp called it domestic terrorism and evidence they were racially motivated. those three churches that were targeted have predominantly black congregations but fortunately the buildings were empty at the time. no church services going on. no one was hurt when the fires broke out. officials tell us they've got about 200 various members of law enforcement at the state,
local and federal levels working this case. again, a presser scheduled for about 11:00 eastern. we'll be monitoring it, bill, and we'll keep you posted on that. >> bill: casey stiegel reporting on that today from dallas. thank you. >> two years ago about then president elect trump said if you mess with the intelligence community they have six ways from sunday at getting back at you. bill barr will find out if that statement was actually carried out. that's what i so appreciate what the attorney general said. i think the american people appreciate it, too. when you stop and think they want an attorney general who is focused on accountability and the truth and that's what bill barr will get you. >> julie: congressman jim jordan praising barr's decision to look at the origins of the trump investigation. let's bring in sol wisenberg, fox news contributor. thank you very much for coming on this morning. so the trump campaign, was it
spied on or was it intelligence collection? what is the difference and why are democrats so up in arms with barr referring to as spying. what do you think happened? >> he clarified later in the day that individuals associated with the trump campaign were spied upon and that's undoubtedly true. i think it's a distinction without a difference. it is a big deal when a presidential campaign is spied on by the government, particularly when the government is in the hands of the opposition party. it doesn't mean anything was necessarily done that was wrong and barr has said that. but it is a big deal and he would be derelict in his duty if he didn't look into it. bill barr is all about restoring the integrity of the department of justice and that's part of it, to see if anything that was done was wrong. >> julie: here is president trump yesterday on what he calls an illegal investigation into him. watch. >> president trump: it was an illegal investigation.
everything about it was crooked. there were dirty cops. these were bad people. you look at mccabe and comey, and you look at lisa and peter strzok, these were bad people and this was an attempted coup and takedown of a president. >> julie: an attempted coup. you said spying on the opposition party's campaign is a big deal. what should the investigation include to get to the bottom of it? >> every president who has ever been investigated has claimed an attempted coup. nixon said it in watergate. bill clinton said it in whitewater and lewinsky. the president has made a number of false statements about the case. i understand he is upset but he has made false statements including that bruce ohr profited from his involvement. but bill barr is not the president.
he is the attorney general and he will look into it and do it the right way. here is an interesting question that he raised yesterday, that barr raised that he wants to look into. why wasn't there a defensive briefing by the f.b.i. or by an intelligence agency to the campaign? that's what would typically happen. we need to brief you, there might be an effort by the russians to entice you guys. they didn't do that. now, when lisa page testified in front of congress she was asked that and said the evidence wasn't strong enough for it. if the evidence wasn't strong enough for a defensive briefing why was it strong enough to go to the fisa court and get a warrant? these are very interesting questions and it is totally appropriate for barr to ask them. he hasn't condemned anybody yet. he just says it's a big deal and i want to look into it. >> julie: the attorney general will be releasing the mueller report to congress and to the public within the next week. it is interesting to note the timing in all of this with the julian assange arrest and congress scheduled to take a
two-week spring break friday and you have the special counsel report to be released in the next week, to analyze russian interference and expose the role of assange and wikileaks and all that as an active or passive player in the emails release. what do you make of all the timing? >> the key thing about the congressional recess is that hotel rooms will be much cheaper in d.c. but i don't think there is any magic that really to the timing. members of congress have no problem finding a tv camera whether they're in session or not. there will be plenty of sound bites when the report comes out after people absorb it. i think they'll see that bill barr didn't hide anything. i think you are going to see the good, the bad, and the ugly. >> julie: does it go away when the report finally comes out? >> oh, no, i don't think ever goes away. if you recall from mueller's -- from barr's letter, four-page letter, he said special counsel
mueller laid out acts that -- lays out acts that could conceivably be considered obstruction and lays out the pros and cons, that will take up a lot of the report, i think. there is always fodder for somebody who wants to attack the subject of an investigation. i think there is much more to go here. >> julie: oh, boy, all right. sol wisenberg, thank you for talking us to. we appreciate it. >> bill: on a lighter note. taking you to augusta, the masters underway. jordan spieth putting on a show. pretty good. pga star wowing the crowd with that shot. >> julie: so cool. >> bill: one of the favorites to win. we'll see how he does. had a good chance a couple -- there we go. did he make it? >> julie: how much did you love skipping rocks when you were a kid? i loved it. i only got two skips. seven with a golf ball. >> bill: who will win? >> julie: i have no idea.
tiger woods, it's always tiger woods. why bother asking? >> bill: that would be a great story. >> julie: a major development on the crisis at our southern border as more military troops could be called up to deal with the surge of migrants. congressman chuck fleischmann who toured the border last week will join us next. >> prosecutors seeking the death penalty for the golden state killer. a decision from california's governor as we hear from the relatives who lost loved ones. >> he is interposing his personal opinion and going completely against the law of california and the will of the people.
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newsom as moratorium on executions raising questions about any death sentence and some victims' families are speaking out. >> our governor has asked the victims of the golden state killer to be lenient and compassionate. >> this is the most gruesome case that has ever existed. if there is ever a death penalty case, it is the golden state killer. >> julie: the judge noted this murder case is so sweeping it could last for more than a decade. >> bill: one of the big stories, julian assange is appearing before a judge in london, arrested four hours ago, taken out of the home where he has been staying for the past seven years, the department of justice just in the last hour releasing the charges against him and here they are. wikileaks founder assange charged in computer hacking conspiracy. in the release, d.o.j. says the
federal charge of conspiracy was about committing computer intrusion for agreeing to break a password to a classified u.s. government computer. it relates, it says, to one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the united states. we're watching for news from the courtroom and will bring that to you when we get it in the "america's newsroom." in the meantime there is this on immigration and the border from yesterday. >> president trump: i'm going to have to call up more military. but our military can't act like a military would act. if they got a little rough, everybody would go crazy. so our military can't act like they would normally act or like let's say another military from another country would act. then we have all these horrible laws that the democrats will not change. they won't change them. >> bill: the president from yesterday saying he could send more troops to the border to deal with the record number of migrants.
chuck fleischmann, ranking member homeland security subcommittee. good morning to you there in tennessee. the president says he will send more military to the border. is that the right call? >> i think so. i spent a lot of time with the president on air force one and at the border last week and the situation as i have said before is a crisis with a capital c. and the president has to use every tool available. i think congress has to use every tool available to deal with this crisis. it is a complex problem. it has been a long-term problem. it is a problem that this administration has inherited. for the first time we're finally doing something about it. the numbers are staggering. it is not good. it has to be dealt with. >> bill: at a time when you get administrative changes, what do you think about those in the past week? they have been numerous. it appears the president wants his own team in place. what was wrong with the old team? >> that would be a question probably better addressed to
the administration. i'm an optimist and i always look forward. kevin mcaleenan has met with me subsequent to him being named acting secretary. he sat down with me and republicans and democrats, to his credit. he was competent, credible, honest. and he is asking for help. this is the thing that the american people need to know. there is a major problem there. in march there were record amounts of people apprehended. mexico has to do a better job. the president is spot on there. they have to stop people coming through. about 100 caravans of people alone have been coming through this year. it is overwhelming the cpb personnel. it is a problem. so we have got to address this. not only -- >> bill: let's work toward a solution. the tweet about treason i think what the democrats are doing at the border is treasonous. putting our country at risk. will not let this happen. jeh johnson was on fox and
friends earlier today. he called it a crisis a week ago and repeated the same thing this morning. >> by any measure 4,000 arrests in a day, 100,000 in a month, that's the population of the city of albany, new york that suddenly shows up on our southern border in one month. it is a crisis. >> bill: we return back to congress. why isn't it moving? >> well, first of all unfortunately politics comes into this situation and if we ever needed a situation in america where we removed the partisan politics and dealt with the crisis, it's now. i think that the democrats are making a calculated mistake right now because they are basically saying at first they ignored it, now that also -- it's there and they're trying to take it in a different direction. i have tremendous respect for secretary johnson. i worked with him extensively in the last administration in my capacity of homeland
security appropriations. a good man, very competent and he understands it. this can't be about republican or democrat but about securing our border and keeping the american people safe. >> bill: there were roughly 2300 active duty troops at the board back in january. does that measure to the same numbers that you have? >> well, here is the situation. right now the crossings in march have set an all-time record and that's where the problem is. >> bill: maybe the question then is do you support more military, what would be the right number do you think? >> that's going to have to be something that the border personnel, the administration and congress agree on. what i will say is this. the border personnel, the men and women with whom i spoke are telling me they're babysitters. if somebody comes in, an illegal immigrant comes in, they have to actually go with them and stay with them at the hospital or wherever they are detained. they can't do their job and protect the border. so the more they are deterred, the more they are taken away
and distracted with these other duties that they should not be doing that legally they have to do because of these very difficult policies and difficult court decisions. liberal judges have messed this up like they messed up so many other different things in our country. we have got to figure it out but we have to deal with it. the president is spot on. he is right. >> bill: thank you for your time. chuck fleischmann out of tennessee. thank you. >> julie: the first photo of a black hole in space marking a historic moment for science. how a grad student helped make it all happen. >> bill: also it is arguably the greatest tournament in golf. the masters is underway. so who walks away with the green jacket come sunday afternoon? we're live in augusta with jim gray in a moment here coming up. nothing says spring like fresh flowers,
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>> julie: the sports world turning its attention to augusta national for the 83rd masters. golf's biggest stars competing for the green jacket. reporting live from augusta is jim gray. how is it going out there? bill hemmer is massively jealous of you, i'm guessing. >> bill: for good reason. where would you rather be than right here right now? temperatures about 80° today. and it is a little bit cloudy. they got underway, the honorary starter jack niclas along with gary player, jack niclas winning six jackets, he got out with gary player. it was a great gathering on the first tee. the odds on favorite is rory mcilroy.
he won the players championship a few weeks ago. looking to complete the career grand slam and how he faces his preparation as he gets ready to tee off in the 11:00 hour. >> it takes a while for you to get comfortable in this -- on this golf course and the surroundings. but i have. i've got that comfort level now. it took five or six years to get to that point. >> this is his 10th year here and looking to become the sixth golfer in history to complete the career grand slam. >> julie: how is tiger looking? we all want to know about tiger woods. >> tiger has played so far this year. this is his fourth event. tied for 20. when he started at torrey pines, tied for 15th. mexico he was tied for 10th and then the players championship tied for 30th. tiger woods has a new driver in his bag. he has not won here in 14 years, believe it or not. 2005.
he has been missing some little putts but so much attention on tiger woods. everybody is so happy to have him back here. he last won a major in 2008. hard to believe it was 13 years ago. but his game is rounding back into shape and i think he will be competitive. he can always play very well at augusta national. >> julie: he plays well under pressure. >> bill: how is the weather, jim? >> weather is great today. a little rain possibly tomorrow and thunderstorms throughout the weekend. it is very soggy. conditions are wet. it tried out a little yesterday. they have had four times the amount of rain as normal here in augusta. the course is wet so the players should be looking at the flag here to start. slows down the ball. the guys with length will have an advantage. >> bill: have a great week, jim. we'll check in every day. nice to see you. >> julie: all right. my handicap -- i am a golfer
and i stink. >> bill: my handicap is pretty average. >> julie: mine is below average. >> bill: julian assange entered a plea. he is before a judge at that hour dragged out of the ecuador embassy in london where he has been living for years. we'll tell you where we stand on that. bill barr's testimony drawing sharp reaction on the hill. we'll dig with our a-team as we roll on.
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>> bill: 10:00 in new york. we're learning the charges against wikileaks founder julian assange after police arrested him in london earlier today acting on warrants from the u.s. and u.k. i'm bill hemmer live in new york city. >> julie: what a fight seeing him coming out of the embassy for sure screaming and resisting arrest. it was a dramatic scene in london. police officers drank out assange out of the ecuadorian embassy where we all watched. he spent the last seven years living in an apartment there. his quest to avoid prosecution coming to an end this morning after the south american nation withdrew its asylum. >> bill: catherine herridge picks up our coverage from washington today. good morning. >> thank you, bill. good morning. according to court documents unsealed this morning julian assange stands accused of one of the largest compromises of classified information in u.s. history. the seven page indictment alleges the wikileaks founder engaged in a conspiracy with chelsea manning, a former intelligence analyst for the
u.s. army to crack a defense department computer network password. it reads at the time he entered into this agreement, assange knew that manning was providing wikileaks with classified records containing national defense information of the united states. assange was knowingly receiving such classified matters from manning for publicly disclosing them on the wikileaks website. the u.s. is seeking extradition. assange's lawyer issuing a statement defending his client as publisher. the u.k. courts need to revolve an effort by the united states seeking to extradite a foreign journalist to face criminal charges for publishing truthful information. at the timing this intercession with the imminent release of the mueller report was not lost on some lawmakers. >> it was a sense that maybe justice will occur. i don't know exactly what that justice will be. but the idea that we'll have
the opportunity to question and for julian assange to have to stand for the charges he has done. i think that's a good thing. one is justice. the other thing is we'll get information particularly about russian involvement in the election. >> the indictment does not mention the hacked democratic emails released during the 2016 campaign. we expect mueller's report to analyze russian interference and to what extent assange and wikileaks were an active or passive player in the email hack and release. >> bill: catherine herridge in washington bring in the a-team now. jessica tarlov, david asman over on fbn and tom bevin. founder and editor of real clear politics.com. let's go through assange and bill barr and let's go through the latest on trump's taxes. first on assange, what do you think? >> i think he is a bad guy and
i'm glad he was arrested. the biggest mystery in this case is how both the left wing and right wing painted the guy as a hero. the left wing through hollywood. the right wing through stuff he might have done to benefit them. he is a bad man. the stuff that he has been arrested for releasing had information in it about people, afghans who were giving information to u.s. military about the taliban. some of those people undoubtedly were killed by the taliban. so he is responsible for the deaths of our allies. he believes in anti-semitic conspiracy theories. i'm glad he is arrested. >> bill: do we have agreement on this? >> we do. a credible claim of sexual assault in sweden. >> julie: it was dropped. >> i'm not sure. i think the swedish authorities got in some conversation with u.k. authorities and u.s. authorities to try to figure out what would be the best way to actually get him out of the ecuadorian embassy. as far as an understanding from
what i'm reading this morning, those accusations still float around and people still consider them to be credible. it was some sort of deal amongst authorities to be able to exhume him from the embassy. >> bill: doj computer hacking conspiracy working with chelsea manning. >> i'm in full agreement. when you publish stolen information that's classified that's a crime and you should have to pay for that. julian assange has been sort of mystified, but when you saw him come out. this is a 47-year-old man who looks 70. it was astonishing the visual image of him now. >> bill: all three agree on this. newt gingrich to your point, jessica. >> if you go back and look at how much damage was done by all of these leaks, how many people who had cooperated with us were suddenly exposed, how many of our allies were offended. this is not a game.
this is not somebody's right to go off on their own. at the heart of civilization has to be a set of rules and some kind of accountability. >> bill: you listen to that and wonder what took them so long. >> exactly. the ecuadorians have been protecting him for the better part of six years. they revoked his asylum. he will face justice now. >> julie: i want to talk about chelsea manning. he basically pled innocent to failing to surrender to the swedish warrant and skipping bail. chelsea manning is not opening her mouth. she could get out of jail. she has been in jail for seven years basically been told if you are willing to talk to a grand jury and answer questions you can get out of jail. she on her own has decided she would rather have jail time. what is it about the loyalty to this man and the leakers that worked behind him? >> mythology. there is a mythology that has been built so strongly by again by all -- left wing, right wing extremists that it gets into people's heads and they think
the people involved i'm sure assange thinks he is a great hero. he has this mythology about the way the world works in which you have to sacrifice a couple hundred or a thousand or perhaps millions of people in order to do what you have to do for the betterment of the world. that's the way -- it is almost like a religion that these people have. >> julie: chelsea manning is choosing prison over coming forward. >> there is also an important conversation about whistle blower and releasing information out in the public if a government is doing something that's a betrayal of the people. i think we should be careful about this. no one disagrees about what kind of person julian assange is but you do have to be careful in conversations surrounding leaking of classified information that it was important to get out there. >> even whistleblowers should not endanger other people's lives. that's the line he crossed. >> julie asked a question about
chelsea manning and her loyalty to him. i think it revolves around that. >> bill: let's move to bill barr. he shook things up yesterday and the fallout came after the hearing concluded. i want to go to sound bite one, nancy pelosi and we'll hear sound bite jerry moran, the chairman of the committee yesterday. >> let me just say how very, very dismaying and disappointing that the chief law enforcement officer of our country is going off the rails yesterday and today. he is attorney general of the united states of america, not the attorney general of donald trump. >> knows who are critics of the president and critics. attorney general are overemphasizing the word spying. what he was talking about was
the efforts that commenced this investigation. were they based upon legal authority? and the question is, did that occur? that's a very valid request of an attorney general to find out what the facts are. >> bill: just the back up on what started all this. barr said several times he thought there was spying during the campaign of donald trump in 2016 but he clarified this just to paraphrase, is there evidence to support the action that was initiated? i think that's where we are right now. tom, why don't you start. >> that's right. look, i thought the democrats reaction was over the top. we know this, that there was fisa warrant issued to spy, surveil carter page. we also know the f.b.i. engaged one of their informants halper, a professor, to infiltrate the campaign and work with papadopoulos and carter to try to get information. so if the democrats want to get in a semantic battle over it was spying or not spying or
surveillance they'll lose the battle. most people by definition who hear what was done connect the dots and say it was clearly spying. >> i don't think that's the case and i don't think that the polling on this bears it out. we need to see the mueller report. what nancy pelosi was reacting to and democrats was the attorney general of the united states of america using right wing talking points. so using the term spying when it was a counter intelligence investigation into trump campaign officials tied to the russians. >> bill: that's not what he said. the attorney general of the united states, not the attorney general of donald trump. >> you could have listened to bill barr using the term spying and you could have heard it from a deep stater and thinks it was trying to get the president out. it isn't -- there is a legitimate reason to have investigate that. there were campaign officials with ties to russia and they lied about it. the only one hurt was hillary
clinton. jim comey came out while early voting commenced saying he had reopened an investigation into her email and said oh no, sorry, my mistake. >> there were some troubling connections, between carter page and russians but also very troubling correspondences between people at the f.b.i. and the d.o.j. who were intent on getting rid of trump even before that infamous meeting between papadopoulos and the australian ambassador. this goes back to early days, spring of 2016. and -- >> bill: the way to understand it. they were watching people connected with the trump campaign. >> they wanted to get rid of president trump before he was president. >> julie: i'll add to this. >> bill: they were watching the campaign. the question is whether or not they were justified to do it. that's the answer we await from the i.g. >> when you look at the totality of information we've doug up already. we need to figure out what was going on. there was a concerted effort on
the part of bureaucrats working for the department of justice and f.b.i. to prevent donald trump from getting to the white house. that went even before the summer of 2016. the first contacts between fusion gps and folks like harper working with folks like glenn simpson go long back even before the supposed start of the mueller investigation. >> julie: if there wasn't enough evidence for a defensive briefing why was there enough evidence to file for a fisa warrant. that's the question. >> the other important point barr made harkening back to the watergate vietnam era. we put a bunch of laws in place to prevent spying on our own citizens. particularly in the context of politics and presidential campaigns. i think most people would agree with that. i think democrats would even agree with that. if you took donald trump's name out of the equation. because it's donald trump and this seems to -- this investigation might be benefiting donald trump
suddenly it becomes partisan and up in arms. this something that shouldn't happen republican or democrat to have intelligence agencies running counter intelligence and spying campaigns on political enemies. >> it is fortuitous we're talking about this today with the julian assange arrest. the hacks relate directly to roger stone who has bragged about being an agent of the kremlin and worked for the trump campaign. paul manafort said he would be a go between julian assange and the ecuadorian embassy to get out and get safely to russia. the man who also leaked polling data to russians. there were ties between trump campaign officials and russians. they lied about them repeatedly. >> there were ties between the russians and hillary clinton campaign in the sense they paid for the trump dossier. there are a lot of ties that are very disturbing. what tom was saying is absolutely correct. one of the biggest dangers to this republic right from the beginning was the awesome power
of our intel agencies which does tremendous good for the nation in keeping us safe. dangerous if it becomes political. >> bill: we'll bring you all back. democrats have a lot to be pleased with yesterday from bill barr. what you are not emphasizing is have you spoken to the white house? no. have you overruled any redactions from the mueller team? no. that's quite favorable i think for the left who is arguing against bill barr, a guy they really like to despise at the moment. got to run from taxes. >> i'm coming back, bill. >> bill: i have no fear of that. jessica,, david, tom, thank you. >> julie: fox news alert. the trump administration appealing a federal judge's ruling to block the remain in mexico policy. that's a policy that requires asylum seekers to stay south of the border as they await a hearing in our country. that court battle happening as a new caravan emotion barks for the u.s. and william la
jeunesse is all over this story following it from los angeles. >> the administration was just about ready to expand this program, border wide when this ruling came down. it started in california, then it went to arizona and then texas, about 1,000 people so far have been asked to stay in mexico while their case is heard. mexico agreed reluctantly. families seeking asylum would be here in the united states but the program said wait in mexico. critics complained that migrants had no way of getting an interpreter or seeing their lawyer on a regular basis or couldn't even argue in front of the judge about their case. they were being provided transportation up to the u.s. but it was very complicated and the idea being make it more difficult and get rid of some of these more frivolous asylum came. the ruling came up yesterday in el paso where a salvadoran man said i can't say in mexico. i will be hurt.
the u.s. attorney said we won't send you back there. many families and children were not required to stay in mexico. president trump has said all along criticizing this ruling saying listen, this is unfair. we're doing the best we can trying to deal with this crisis at the border. here is what he said. >> president trump: we have bad laws, we have a judge that just ruled incredibly that he doesn't want people staying in mexico. figure that one out. nobody can believe these decisions we're getting from the ninth circuit. it is a disgrace. >> he will have to go back to the ninth circuit there. the solution is in congress. last week we had asked democrats and republicans to show us the bills they have addressing this crisis. we got 12 from the gop, 15 from the democrats. amazing part, julie, is they're opposites, living on different planets. and they aren't talking. there is one bill in house judiciary that would agrees the
asylum. the bottom line is for the time being individuals will be allowed to come into the u.s., they will not be required to stay in mexico. >> julie: william la jeunesse. thank you so much. >> bill: a camera outside the courthouse in london. julian assange will leave in a matter of moments. we are hearing word from some of the reporters that campaigners and journalists have arrived and assange will next appear on the second of may in court. remain in custody until the next hearing as he was led out a short time ago. stand by. we're on that story and will get you developments as they develop from london, 16 past the hour now. george has heart failure. and a busy day ahead. george has entresto, a heart failure pill that helped keep people alive and out of the hospital. don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren,
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on calls to tax the rich more. charles payne is the host of making money on the fox business network and joins us now. collectively $900,000. just under the $1 million mark. they want to be taxed more on that money. >> i thought it was interesting they only paid $200,000. >> bill: crunch the numbers. >> it ain't 50%. i had a conversation with my tax guy. i cried. they almost canceled my show. it was crazy. i got hit with the salt taxes. be that as it may why do they think america is so awful? put $900,000. that's not the 1%, that's the 1/1 millionth percent of the entire planet which half of this world lives on 2,000 to 4,000 a year.
do things need to be tweaked, can we make it better? of course. when you hear them now try to have to justify $900,000 and bernie sanders i'm a millionaire because i wrote a best seller. why are you so upset with the system that allowed you to do that and own three homes? >> bill: they made $900,000 and paid $200,000 in taxes. that's what the report says. it's roughly 25%. >> it's pretty low. >> bill: remember when mitt romney was -- >> elizabeth warren and her husband took advantage of tax cuts because of solar panel. she is looking for every advantage possible. i guarantee she took advantage of every tax loophole. maybe set the example yourself if you want to push it on everybody else. >> julie: bernie sanders was trying to not come across as the rich man he is for quite a
long time. is that going to affect his voters at all? >> i think it should. i just think listen, if you own three homes, if you are a millionaire and own three homes why are you so upset with this country? why do you think we need to be a socialist country? are you serious? do you want to compare bernie sanders' lifestyle with anyone in any socialist country in the world outside of the elites that run those countries? >> julie: millennials can barely pay the bills or buy themselves food. they're struggling. >> maybe the bernie thing is starting to fade a little bit. >> bill: he will release his taxes on monday during the town hall or prior to it. aoc, amazon not coming back yet. they polled the people who live in her district. here is what they found about the decision to scrap the
amazon deal. 48% support it. only 35% are against it. 58%. >> listen, 57% said it was bad for new york city overall that bezos took it away. the bottom line i think my biggest takeaway. the favorability rating is still 52% and almost half the folks polled said they would vote her in. go figure. they know she blew it on this, this is a huge mistake. they would still probably vote her in. >> julie: the city needs revenue. we got hit with congestion taxes and more coming in 2021. the city needed this. >> absolutely. >> julie: certainly bringing jobs to the city. >> they could have driven a better deal or offer the richest company in the world certainly the richest man in the world subsidies. virginia got a nice deal without offering as much. you could make that argument. for someone like an aoc to push this out and not have a replacement for it, i think is
pretty daming. the incumbent never showed up. she is in danger. >> bill: i am looking forward to the town hall with bernie sanders. >> in this country if you're the first person in your family to do well, right? let's say you are a black person and your grandfather didn't have the opportunities you had. your father didn't. you finally had enough opportunity to say you've made a million dollars. does bernie sanders believe you should give it back to the government so your sons and daughters can start from scratch? you know, what he is proposing is unamerican and we'll see what happens. >> bill: 6:30 monday night. >> i can't wait. >> bill: thank you, charles. pentagon might be taking more action on the border. president trump saying we need to increase the military presence there. will putting more boots on the ground help ease the current crisis? >> julie: the new battle taking
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>> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. i think spying did occur, yes, i dispying did occur. i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated but i need to explore that. >> bill: the a.g. bill barr dropping a bit of a bombshell during testimony yesterday saying he thought spying on the campaign did occur and it should be reviewed. our headliner is senator john barrasso today. good morning to you. there seems to be this ping-pong today about the definition of spying. how did you hear it from bill
barr? >> well, you can call it what you want. i thought it was very disturbing, troubling information that spying had occurred on the trump campaign. the question is is it unauthorized or authorized. did obstruction of justice occur? was it authorized it? who authorized it? the american public has a right to know what happened and i think we have the right attorney general to look into it now so we'll all know the truth. >> julie: we have had barr say it and guests on the show say it that it is serious to spy on the opposing campaign. why were democrats so up in arms about the word spying and later he called it an investigative collection? is there any difference between the two? >> not to me there is not. of course the democrats were upset. they've been upset since the day donald trump got elected president and did everything they could to help hillary
clinton win and now it looks like some of the things that may have occurred could have been illegal, unauthorized and we need to pursue it. lindsey graham is chairman of the judiciary committee will continue to dig down as will this attorney general. >> bill: speaking of lindsey graham. here is his exchange yesterday that we watched on our program with bill barr. >> would it be odd that the candidate was never briefed by the department of justice that your campaign may be targeted by a foreign entity? >> that is one of the questions i have is i feel normally the campaign would have been advised of this. >> bill: he went on to say you had two people who worked in the legal division of the u.s. government, rudy giuliani and chris christie on his campaign. adam schiff says all this. this type of partisan talking point may please donald trump who rails against the deep state but strikes a blow to our democratic institutions. what do you think about that talking point comment? >> a couple of things.
one is the democrats thought a lot of william barr when he was attorney general before. he is the right person to look into this and get to the bottom of it. we want to make sure this doesn't happen going into the 2020 campaign. we're now in an election cycle again and need to know what happened in 2016 to prevent it from happening in 2020. >> julie: let's talk about bernie sanders introducing a new medicare for all bill as he tries to set 2020 healthcare agenda moving forward in his run for president. he says that the current health system is an embarrassment to the u.s. here he is. listen. >> we're going to end the international embarrassment of the united states of america. our country being the only major nation on earth not to guarantee healthcare to all as a right. >> julie: medicare for all.
we have doctors on the air that say it's not one size fits all when it comes to healthcare. >> look, bernie seems to be saying he needs to -- he wants to repeal and replace obamacare. unfortunately he wants to do it with a complete government takeover of healthcare with the high cost associated with that and the loss of freedom for american citizens and the longer lines for people on that. the first thing he wants to do is take a wrecking ball to the 180 million americans who get their insurance through work, private insurance. many of those people like the insurance that we have. he wants to eliminate that. i called for the office and management to give us a real cost estimate on what he is proposing. because i think it is going to be tens of trillions of dollars, maybe up to 50 trillion dollars, which would mean you would have to double taxes for people across the country to afford the promises that he is making.
>> bill: mitch mcconnell was on with bret and they're full on socialism. listening to you as a doctor as well i know you don't disagree with mitch mcconnell. what do you think in the final minute we have here about what we're witnessing in london with julian assange and the arrest of him? >> i viewed him not as a hero but as a criminal. he has a right to a trial. i think that the right decision was made. i want to see justice done and i think that involves putting him on trial. >> bill: thank you for your time. john barrasso, come on back. >> thanks for having me. >> julie: homeland security could soon be getting more help from the military as president trump pushes to tighten operations on the southern border. the president warning too many dangerous people are entering the country illegally. kevin corke is live at the white house with more. hi, kevin. >> no question this is one of those circumstances where you want to get the job done right. and the truth is, ice has been having difficulty because you have so many migrants coming to
this country they say they're seeking asylum and escape sly *r violence back home. many come right over the border and effectively skipping ahead of the line of those who have been waiting to come into our country. and so that is part of the challenge here not just for people like the homeland security folks but also more broadly for all of those who are charged with the task of trying to keep americans safe. again, we're talking about people coming sometime as family units. often others traveling with children who may not be their own in many cases. the president continues to blame congress as you can imagine and in particular democrats for not closing loopholes in our laws that he says invite migrants to rush the border. >> president trump: it's horrible laws that the democrats will not change. they won't change them. and i think they will pay a very big price in 2020 for all of the things. whether it's the fake witch hunt that they start off or whether it's a situation like this.
but i think the border is going to be an incredible issue. >> indeed the crisis is an issue. the white house believes it will resonate across the political spectrum and not just border states in 2020. while leaders from both parties frankly agree there is a humanitarian crisis, they clearly remain far apart in their opinion about the best solution to solve the problem. before i let you go i want to make a pretty quick correction. you may have seen this on twitter if you follow the president of the united states. you may have seen him retweet something from our partners on fox business that talked about his handling of the economy being 58% and approval being 55%. it was a typo in the graphic that he then retweeted. the 58% handling on the economy was accurate according to the survey but 55% approval rating should have been 55% disapproval. >> julie: thank you very much. >> bill: facebook and twitter
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check it out. here is ted cruz. >> the giant tech companies today are larger and more powerful than standard oil was when it was broken up. they are larger and more powerful than at&t was when it was broken up. if we have tech companies using the powers of monopoly to censor political speech, i think that raises real antitrust issues. >> bill: ted cruz going after twitter, facebook and says they censor conservatives. we have our a-team back. again, give us the story first, tom. >> conservatives have said for a long time that they feel and can cite numerous examples where conservatives have had their speech censored on
facebook and twitter. there are legitimate concerns and more broadly speaking about the power. these companies are no longer -- the debate now is whether they're still platforms or whether they've become publishers. because that is a real divide legally on whether you can sue these people for defamation and libel. >> i hate to hear somebody who is a strong defender of the free market talk about monopolies. the power of the government to break up what they consider to be a monopoly. a loot of people have argued that it's too strong. it is too much in the eyes of the beholder. and we are still early days of this whole social media revolution that we've been going through over the past 20 years. it sounds like a long time by our standards but it is early days. he mentioned standard oil. that was about 125, 150 years ago when standard oil was
called a monopoly. they broke that up. it's taken all this time to realize that after a while, you do have competition come in. maybe we don't see competition for google and twitter right now but we will. you have bing. you have the beginning of competition coming in. i personally think they are biased against conservatives. you go to silicon valley and the bias against conservative. there is a lot of bias there. on the other hand, give competition time. competition will eventually solve this problem. i'm a free market guy. >> julie: on twitter you have heard stories of conservatives being blocked out. but the president himself has weighed in on this saying -- >> it shocks me, really, to my core. >> julie: i know. but the president has said his twitter follower account. he watches that very closely, has fluctuated and he blames the agenda to go after
conservatives on twitter. do you buy it? >> i don't buy it. the number one site that gets distribution on facebook is fox news and the president's account on twitter. after the 2016 election where russians influenced our election in support of donald trump and bernie sanders they gave a distinct advantage to conservatives and conservative accounts and allowed to proliferation of fake news which he loves but things that are genuinely untrue including conspiracy theories. conservatives have a thing about being victims of silicon valley. someone change themselves to the walls of twitter. i get there are certain tweets that have been censored for reasons having to do with an algorithm that didn't make sense. there was one -- >> it's called shadow banning. >> sites and accounts that are
conservative are the number one distributed sites or outlets across these platforms i don't see where the argument comes from. the twitter follower account goes up and down. >> we see this pattern over and over again. the susan b. anthony list how pro-life tweets and posts have been censored. that pattern of censorship is dangerous and none of us should be happy to have a handful of left wing silicon valley billionaires censoring what a said. silencing conservatives and people of faith. that isn't right and we have to act to stop it. >> bill: cruz will not let go of this topic. >> nor do i think conservatives should. there does have to be -- we're still i think as david mentioned in the early -- think about how the dynamic has
shifted from five years ago even when everybody thought twitter and facebook were universal good, right? connected communities and did all this stuff. now we learn the dark side of social media. what it does in terms of civility and the social fabric. about privacy issues and censorship issues. these are big issues that will be sorted out. i think rightfully so we should be discussing them. >> bill: a great piece to figure out standard oil and at&t grew this fast. we've grown so quickly. >> nothing has interconnected the world in human history that has worked that fast. i understand people, because it has worked so fast people want fast answers. i don't think there are fast answers in this one. i have think it is undeniable there is shadow banning there is an attempt to stomp out conservatives. they said it. it was google after the election, you saw people come
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for the moment. stay tuned. >> julie: he says it's purely political. that's a lot of charges to be political. if you thought your talks with amazon alexa. i don't know if you talk to her like i do. if you thought they were private think again. bloomberg is saying that employees of the company are studying your conversations. that's disturbing. i never want alexa to repeat anything i say in my home. >> that's probably best for you, julie. i don't worry about it. the only thing i'm concerned about is my dog's name is dex. she doesn't have the skill to get off the couch. the way the smart assistants work, you ask them something, they parse what you say, come up with a command and act on it. it doesn't always work. sometimes you say play the
doobie brothers and it says i don't know them. alexa. when that happens, that's when a person might actually hear what you said and see what alexa thought you meant and make that correction. that correction goes into this magical artificial intelligence cloud and then the robot takes over. >> julie: show us a picture of alexa. there is a mute button. you can hit it. any time i talk in my living room you know it is listening when you see the light. >> she wants to help you. >> bill: we presented it to tech people like yourself. the sheer volume of audio overwhelms amazon and no fair way to get a reading how they can listen to you. do you agree with that? >> this is not a case of there is an amazon employee saying i want to hear everything bret larson says. it is a sound clip and an
action. they're seeing those two things and making a judgment call and moving forward. the bloomberg report goes on to say yes, sometimes alexa hears funny things and they get audio recordings of that. when you see something funny, this is hilarious. but i don't -- the privacy concerns are always valid with things like this. you have a microphone in your house listening to you and you should be concerned about it. >> bill: i don't. thank you, bret. an alert now. latest on the arrest of julian assange. he is out of the courtroom headed to jail where he will be held until the next hearing. we might hear from his attorneys in a moment. that story from london coming up shortly right here. >> tech: at safelite autoglass,
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first, however, we have the fallout now. a.g. bombshell testimony. bill barr says he believes spying did occur during the campaign of 2016. what happens next? hour three now. i'm bill hemmer. nice to see you today. >> julie: three hours, let's go. i'm julie banderas in for sandra smith. barr is reviewing the matter to see if surveillance was done for a good reason. the president now pushing to investigate the investigators after he said it was an illegal investigation of him. john roberts is live with the latest. >> good morning. the attorney general bill barr insists he was not using the term spying as -- he said in his testimony that he remembers back to the days of the vietnam war when the government was spying on anti-war groups and that he felt an obligation to insure the government power was not being abused in the case leading up to the genesis of
the russia investigation. listen to what the attorney general said yesterday. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. it is a big deal. i think that spying did occur, yes, i did spying did occur. >> let me -- >> the question it was adequately predicated. i need to explore that. >> president trump took barr's testimony and ran with it. listen here. >> president trump: this was an attempted coup. this was an attempted takedown of a president. this was an illegal witch hunt and everybody knew it. they knew it, too, and they got caught. what they did was treason. what they did was terrible. what they did was against our constitution. and everything we stand for.
>> democrats thought that the attorney general was overstepping his bounds. >> let me just say how very, very dismaying and disappointing that the chief law enforcement officer of our country is going off the rails yesterday and today. he is attorney general of the united states of america, not the attorney general of donald trump. >> while democrats who were around back in 1991 voted unanimously to confirm barr for attorney general during the bush 41 administration some are now portraying him as a partisan hack. listen to steny hoyer. >> i believe the attorney general of the united states of america believes he needs to protect the president of the united states. and i think that's unfortunate. >> the bottom line here barr is not yet investigating the genesis of the russia
investigation. he is merely looking into whether or not there should be an investigation. he may never investigate it. but at the moment this certainly has democrats worked up. and that is something that this white house certainly likes to see, julie. >> julie: john roberts. thank you so much. >> bill: bring in bret baier anchor of "special report." this barr thing went political quickly, did it not? >> that happened fast. it really did. it exploded. once he said those words spying, it suddenly hit twitter, social media. everybody was up in arms. had he said, you know, unwarranted surveillance, would it have been different? i don't know. there is a reaction on capitol hill. the bottom line is this. it happened. there was an investigation. there was wiretapping of carter page. and there were no indictments of carter page after all of
that looking into surveillance, he was never indicted for anything. and so how did that start? why did it start? we don't know the specifics of that fisa because it is so still classified and hasn't been released. but the attorney general saying he will get to the bottom of it. i don't fully understand the explosion. >> bill: jerry moran, the chairman of the committee yesterday was with us a few hours ago. >> those who are critics of the president and the attorney general are overemphasizing the word spying. i think the attorney general made it clear. i was in the room and with the attorney general for about two hours. my takeaway while he was talking about was the efforts that commenced this investigation. were they based upon legal authority? >> bill: later in the hearing he concluded basically you got to the phrase unauthorized surveillance, which in the
intel community will tell you that's the legal term for spying. they were watching someone do something. >> yes. and it is clear and we just don't know the extent and how it all kind of was woven together. we have a lot of indications. we have a lot of bullet points and data points. but no one has stitched that all together. the hope on capitol hill is that the inspector general is going to do that or at least in part. and that report from inspector general horowitz is expected late may, early june. >> bill: i want to get your interview with senator mcconnell in a moment. we're watching the courthouse in london. what are you hearing after the assange charges came out about four or five hours ago? >> capitol hill expressing kind of the fact that it happened was a good thing. both democrats and republicans especially tied to intelligence and homeland security. you have representative mike
rogers from alabama saying julian assange and wikileaks published u.s. military and intelligence classified information. i think we don't know exactly what the government has. what they put out so far is not -- don't seem like a strong case unless they have evidence that assange was directly helping manning with the hacking on getting that material. but we'll see as it develops whether they have more. >> bill: we'll see what the attorneys come out. bernie sanders, an event on monday. here is bernie from yesterday talking about healthcare and then i want to get the reaction with mitch mcconnell you had on special report last night. first senator sanders. >> healthcare is a human right, not a privilege. [cheering and applause]
and together we are going to end the international embarrassment of the united states of america, our great country, being the only major nation on earth not to guarantee healthcare to all as a right. that is going to end. >> it ought to be called medicare for none. 180 million americans would lose the private health insurance many have negotiated for at work. medicare itself, the current recipients have been paying into all these years would be completely drained by adding all these additional people. if you want to turn america into a socialist country this is the first step. >> bill: you were sitting there for that comment. >> i think you are seeing the contours of the 2020 race here
and healthcare will factor in a great deal. republicans are going to characterize it as the majority leader did as a step toward socialism. democrats and bernie sanders will do this on monday. he is going to stick to his guns and say medicare for all is the way to go. >> bill: you have questions lined up for monday at 6:30. bernie sanders, april 15 tax day. you can see the monitor. let's take you there live. here are the attorneys for assange. >> information about the united states. >> i've just been with mr. assange. he wants to thank all his supporters for their ongoing support and he said i told you so. >> the only thing is the fact this is a dark day for journalism. as jennifer says it sets a precedent. we don't want this to go forward. this has to be averted. the u.k. government needs to make a full assurance that a
journalist will never be extradited to the united states for publishing activity. this pertains to publishing work nine years ago. publishing of documents or videos of killing of innocent civilians. exposure of war crimes. this is journalism. it is called conspiracy, it is conspiracy to commit journalism. so this has to end. we urge everybody to support julian assange in fighting this extradition. thank you. >> what legal avenues are available to you to prevent his extradition? >> we will be contesting and fighting ex extradition. we asked that he get medical treatment. he has been refused medical treatment for 7 years since being inside the embassy. we'll be fighting extra dition and he will be brought before the court within the next month. we won't take anymore questions
today. thank you very much. >> you were asking about the element in the extradition request. it is quite obvious that the u.s. authorities have picked one element of what they have been working on for a long time, including the espionage acts that are -- have decades in prison. there is no assurance there would not be additional charges when he is on u.s. soil. and i think and i believe that this was an angle in the approach to increase the likelihood of him being extradited. that is obvious. thank you. >> bill: not a lot of reaction there but a headline. journalists should never be extradited to the united states. it gives you a clue as to what his attorneys will do with the
charges facing assange now held in custody. he will be held at least until the 2nd of may charged in a computer hacking conspiracy on behalf of the department of justice after spending seven years holed up in the ecuadorian embassy in london. a big story, a lot of reaction, all angles we'll bring you. the sparring with social media giants. republican lawmakers calling out facebook and twitter what they say is the silencing of conservative voices. >> the problem is serious. the remedy is complicated. there is one remedy i talked about quite a bit today. >> what senator cruz is considering as a solution in a moment here, julie. >> julie: president trump weighing in on all options regarding the border crisis as the acting ice director announces his plans to resign. congressman dan crenshaw serves on the homeland security committee and will share his
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and released into the homeland. maybe they'll show up for their ajudd indication or hearing. that's a problem. how do we fix that? more resources at the border. whether it's military resources or whatever it is doesn't matter. we need more detention facilities, more immigration judges, we need the ability to adjudicate these claims right on the spot without releasing people. if they don't have a credible claim of persecution and the vast majority do not. they get deported immediately. when you disincentivize jumping across like that it will have dramatic effects. we need to implement that immediately. >> bill: jeh johnson was homeland security under president obama. here is one of the things he calls it a crisis. and says this is how you can solve it. >> to fix this problem emanating from central america we have to make the long-term investment in addressing the poverty and violence in those
nations. it can be done, it requires a sustained political commitment through, i suspect. multiple administrations. >> talked about bipartisanship and bipartisan solution. he seemed to give the impression during the latest interviews that it is there for the taking, sir. >> i don't disagree with his statement that we should be also looking at development opportunities in central american policies but he said the word long term. that's a very long term solution. it is not solving anything in the next couple months. we've been giving a lot of money and aid to these countries for a long time and it hasn't stopped anything. unclear where the money goes. they are corrupt governments. not saying we shouldn't help them. it is a holistic solution in the long term. a lot of other aspects beside the asylum reform i just mentioned. what i just mentioned would have the most immediate effect. deincentivize this behavior immediately. why do that? they're cutting in front of legal immigrants. how is that fair to legal
immigrants who have done this the right way? i met one from my district who got their citizenship. it's a cool story to hear about. they get frustrated when they realize that tens of thousands of people every week are coming across our border and -- >> bill: smugglers have gamed the system and they're winning. they're getting paid, sir. >> that's exactly right. they have operational control of our board. creates a humanitarian crisis in the form of human smuggling. we see it in houston to a big degree. we're the number one hub for human smuggling. there is incentive to take children across. they use different kids for different adults and say they're their parents. it is not good for kids or anybody. doctors without borders estimated 30% of women are molested on these trips. that's terrible. that's terrible. this is incentivizing that kind of behavior and we have to stop it. >> bill: thank you for your time. dan crenshaw out of texas.
i misplaced the geography a moment ago. thank you for your time. >> julie: fox news alert. attorneys for julian assange are saying they will fight his extradition to the united states. assange arrested today in london. the u.s. charging him with conspiracy to commit computer hacking. a live report next. >> bill: authorities making an arrest in suspicious fires at historic black churches in the south and what we're learning about that. >> we're going through it. you have to know somebody that is being done. ♪ limu emu and doug.
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officers in the uss fitzgerald. they were both facing court-martial. they will now receive letters of cen sure instead. it's been two years since the ship crashed into a japanese cargo ship. seven american sailors were killed. >> since 2010 we've known julian assange would face extradition to the united states. unfortunately today we've been proven right. >> bill: lawyers for julian assange saying he will fight extradition to the u.s. assange arrested and enforce ibly removed from the ecuador embassy. greg palkot in london. >> after years of a stand-off regarding julian assange, things are moving incredibly quickly today about the wikileaks founder.
he is now in u.k. custody and could soon be in the united states. this morning police here in london got into the ecuadorian embassy, were allowed in. he had been holed up there for seven years, the ecuadorian government saying he had violated the terms of his asylum. looking at him as he was brought out very much different than what i've seen of him in the past years, hag ard, grizzled with a white beard shouting, resisting arrest and he was taken to a london court and found guilty of jumping bail here. at the time he was fleeing sexual assault charges in sweden. the judge, a few quotes from him in the hearing that happened two hours ago, a narcissist, shameful. laughable. he could face a year in prison here but this is the big one. in early may we now know he will also appear in a hearing regarding extradition to the united states where he could face charges in connection with
what the justice department today is calling one of the largest compromises of classified information in u.s. history. specifically it is dealing with his alleged help to then bradley manning break into a pentagon computer system and post thousands of department of defense emails and documents. he could get five years for that. through his wikileaks website we also know he has leaked state department cables and with the help of russians in 2016 he released those dnc, democratic national committee documents and cables as well as hillary clinton campaign items. again as you just played for our viewers, bill, the team behind assange will fight this with everything they have. they say it is a violation of first amendment rights. humanitarian, whatever. but the trump administration sounds like it is playing for keeps this time. >> bill: greg palkot. the breaking news from london with all the developments.
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>> bill: new information now fox news alert. authorities making an arrest in a series of fires at historic black churches in southern louisiana. casey stiegel is has more information. >> the press conference still underway as we speak down in louisiana. we're monitoring it continuously. the big headline at this point, officials believe they do have the right guy in custody because they say that they have
found evidence, forensic evidence at all three of the fire scenes that directly links this young man, 21-year-old holden matthews, to all three crimes. cops just releasing his mug shot. this is new. holden matthews is being held in jail charged with three counts of simple arson on a religious place. now, while a motive hasn't been named, authorities saying in this press conference that he was a fan of what is called black metal music which has racist undertones in certain movies and books but would not elaborate further on that. they did want to clear one thing up. reports that the suspect's father turned him in. those are inaccurate. they say that they learned about this and that they got him as a suspect with just good old-fashioned tips and police work. however, the father is a deputy sheriff there in the parish, adding that he was devastated learning about the charges
against his son. let's take a listen to a little bit from that press conference. >> nobody should ever fear for safety in their house of worship or fear that their church will be destroyed. i don't know what this young man's motive was. i don't know what was in his heart. but i can say it cannot be justified or rationalized. these were evil acts. >> the first fire happened at the end of last month destroying the st. mary baptist church. a week later the great union baptist church was hit. then two days after that mount pleasant baptist church. the naacp called these incidents domestic terrorism and said the evidence showed they were racially motivated. those three churches have predominantly black congregations. fortunately nobody was hurt in the fires but the state fires marshall adding at this press conference today it was one of
the more unique cases he has seen in his more than 30 years of doing this and it was something they took very seriously out of the gate, bill. because he said, quote, we considered it an attack on god. >> bill: thank you, reporting from dallas on that. >> julie: fox news alert. democrats blasting attorney general barr over his spying comments saying he is peddling conspiracy theories. gop lawmakers have a much different take. congressman chris stewart is a republican who serves on the house intelligence committee. what is wrong with barr saying he believes there was spying on the trump campaign in 2016? >> well, the democrats are offended by it because it's the truth and they just simply don't want to hear the truth. they can't handle the truth. if you want to call it spying or call it illegal surveillance. i don't care what you call it. it is more important to know what they did. and we have to remember these people are so vested in this obstruction and this conspiracy
and they've been wrong for 2 1/2 years which is why the house intelligence committee said more than a year ago they were wrong. it was never true. but we also in that report indicated very clearly that we saw some other things that were troubling to us by senior officials at the department of justice, f.b.i., intelligence community more broadly and it is essential the american people know what happened there. >> julie: barr after he said he thought spying occurred he said i'm not saying improper surveillance occurred, i'm concerned about it and looking into it, that's all. call it investigative collecting or spying or whatever you want, if the reason is for unwarranted investigating, it is spying plain and simple, is it not? who now investigates the investigators? >> it is spying. once again i don't care what you call it. if you are running assets into a campaign, if you are using opposition research and obstructing and not being fair with the fisa courts about that. if you are leaking and
unmasking, if you're essentially running an intelligence operation, i don't care what you call it. the question is was there a basis for it? was there actual evidence to require that? and by the way, this was into a presidential campaign. this is into the heart and soul of the american electoral process. if you're going to do that you have to have very powerful reasons for having done so. that's the question is did they? i'm telling you from what we know, which is by the way well -- if it's right we'll have criminal referrals in the next few weeks. >> julie: it is fine for a campaign opponent to dig up dirt on their opponent. it is not okay to investigate an opposing opponent or opposing candidate. prominent democrats are now railing barr for backing the president's claims of spying by the f.b.i. nancy pelosi says he is basically a watchdog and echoing what his boss is telling him to say. adam schiff said in a statement that barr should not casually
suggest those under his purview engaged in spying on a political campaign. if the fisa warrant wasn't warranted, then there are some big, big problems here. there is a separate d.o.j./i.g. investigation into potential fisa abuses. i want to talk about the fisa court and abuses moving forward with the f.b.i.'s involvement. it is a scary thing. it is expected to look if the f.b.i. improperly presented misleading sources or withheld exculpatory information to the fisa court. how much more do you think we'll learn about possible corruption here? >> you'll learn a lot. by the way, we have to learn what you've talked about if it's true or not. there is a lot in your comments that we need to unpack. way back in the old days of two years ago, any democrat would have been deeply offended by the fact you would take a department of justice, f.b.i. or more widely the intelligence community and turn them into the political arm of a campaign. they would have been deeply
offended by that until this president who they so hate. now it's okay and they defend it. they don't want to know the truth. they don't want the american people to know the truth. really comes back to their dislike and their disagreements with this president that they've given up a value that most americans would be angry to know. if this is true and you don't want us to know this is true and you're hiding it and attacking the attorney general for wanting to investigate this, most americans shake their head and say it doesn't sound right to me. >> julie: congressman chris stewart. thank you for taking the time this morning. thank you. >> bill: big meeting at the white house about to get underway how to solve the nuclear riddle with north korea. the president from south korea is about to arrive and we'll cover that. plus dangerous late winter storm bearing down on millions in the midwest. >> it's been a long winter. ready for summer. >> beautiful, you know, walking around in shorts and t-shirts
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let's bring in michael anton. former national spokesperson for president trump. this is a critical time. what do you think will come out of the meeting when he sits with the leader of south korea to start the talks between the u.s. and north korea after the summit? >> i can tell you what will go into this meeting. i'm not a betting man. this is a safe bet. what moon will try to do is say to the president you need to give something to the north. you need to relax sanctions and need to make a gesture here because it is stalled. i think so far the president has held firm for well over a year on not relaxing sanctions on not letting up the pressure unless he sees real moves toward denuclearization from the north korea. i would expect president trump to say i understand your concerns but i don't feel this is the right time to do it when the north hasn't lived up to its side of the deal so far. >> julie: it hasn't. it has never. it said it would denuclearize and looked as if the president was making headway, more than any president has in my time.
but nonetheless the talks with the north have stalled and giving up on sanctions, letting back is only giving the north what they want. that's not a good negotiation for the united states anyway. how will this meeting affect the president's relationship with north korea? >> well, i don't know it will affect the president's relationship with north korea much at all. it will affect his relationship with south korea. they'll put pressure on president trump to let up sanctions. i doubt he will want to do that. i think the president will try to convince president moon that despite appearances to the contrary right now, this policy is actually working. we have gotten farther with the north than we've ever gotten before. they're feeling the pressure. the whole point of the pressure campaign is to convince the north koreans the nuclear weapons aren't their salvation and security but the opposite. the longer the pressure stays on and goes on the more likely that is. so i think president trump will counter by saying look, our policy is working. the temporary setback of the vietnam talks notwithstanding, this is having its effect.
we need to let it play out longer. >> julie: why is it the south would want the united states to let up on sanctions? that would just empower the north. why would the south want to empower the north? >> there are two sides in all democracies, two parties. the conservative and liberal side in south korea. the liberals are in power right now and they've always a more conciliatory policy toward the north. another chunk of south korean public opinion that wants the united states and south korea and north korea's neighbors to remain firm. south korea isn't even unified on this question like any democracy. they have differences of opinion. the particular party in power now thinks that conciliation is the way to ease tensions and lessen the likelihood of conflict. this party has believed that for decades. they aren't always in charge. they happen to be right now and have been for a little under two years now. >> julie: so despite the fact that talks are stalled, there is something to say about the fact that north korea has not been test firing and launching missiles. i remember under the past
administration, it happened way too often and it is not now. clearly the president is resonating somehow. >> and also remember in the first year of this administration the north koreans really stepped up their testing throughout 2017. precisely in order to ratchet up tensions to see if they could get talks restarted. what they did worked. in another sense what they did didn't work because their playbook is always to ratchet up tensions, scare everybody, scare south korea especially. >> julie: president trump hasn't fallen for that. >> use it to get concessions and they haven't been able to do that this time so far. >> julie: great to see you. >> bill: "outnumbered" is coming up next. preview with melissa and kennedy today. >> we await president trump to speak in our hour as he meets with south korea's leader. he could sound off on the arrest of wikileaks founder julian assange, the mueller
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♪ >> bill: you see that, right? stunning image out of this world. scientists reveal the first picture ever taken ever a black hole in space. mike massimino from nasa. it is dark behind you. >> i can't believe that picture. >> bill: what do you see? >> the very first image of a black hole. it's been theoretically mathematically proven they exist. they get some glimpses of them when they're formed. they're pretty certain there is one at the center of our galaxy. the hundred billion galaxies around us have a black hole at the center but never able to get an image of one. this is the first image of a black hole. one would argue the best evidence they exist. >> bill: you are an astronaut and scientist. what can you learn from this? >> you learn looking at the
image you can see one thing that i think is cool is that we're learning that the prediction of it, what einstein predicted there would be circular in shape and light around the edge is what we see. he talked about the shadow behind it. everything gets sucked in there. all the matter and material and nothing can escape including light. that's what you see. you see a very dark center and then you see light around it which is the heat and as the light enters that's what we're seeing on the side of it. >> bill: when you went to visit hubble on the space shuttle. did you have the capacity or the ability to look this deep in space? >> not when we did it, no, not at all. first of all, we only fixed the telescope, we don't look through it. we were repair people, right? the scientists on the ground around the world and particularly spe science institute are the ones that analyze hubble data. this is from a series of radio telescopes. when we're in space we're above the atmosphere we can see more
clearly but no way. they said this was 55 million light years away. >> bill: how did they find it? >> they are hard to see. once light goes in it doesn't escape. when they first form there is a big burst, you can maybe see that. once they form no light is going to come out of it. there is dust between us and them. outside of it it is hard to see and you can't see through a regular telescope. you can't see through that dust. it is a radio x-ray. radio telescopes that are able to get through the dust to even see this. now because it's so far away and hard to see they needed a whole series of them. instead of having just one big one which wouldn't have worked they used a series of them around the globe in four continents, eight of them, timed perfectly. they had to be timed exactly to get that image together. you and i are in different
places trying to take a photo of something in the sky and we have to make sure we hit the shutter at the right time. they timed it with an atomic clock to get this image. two years to analyze the data to get to this point. >> bill: what kind. ? >> the radio data that's coming in from the different telescopes had to be coordinated. it was a ton of data. getting the data to analyze took time. too big to send over the internet. it had to be delivered to these places. the algorithms were developed and crunching through what they had to see what's the shape and formation of it and the heat range and what might it look like. compiling it to get this image. what i think it is, it's great to see how science can make that prediction, einstein came up with some of these predictions over 100 years ago and now through the -- the truth is told through the proof. little by little the story was
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>> bill: a nail-biter of omission. today's news are involved, apollo 13 blasting off in this day in 1970. days later, they uttered those words, "houston, we have a problem." an explosion, one of the oxygen takes crippled the spacecraft. the blasts forcing the lunar landing. it put their journey home in jeopardy. after an intense couple of days, the crew finally made it back to earth but their mission began 48 years ago today. good stuff. >> sandra: a very cool. a busy three hours. more to come. of course we will have the president meeting with the leader of south korea. that should be happening any time. soon issues with the producer said pray that the official term for any minute now. >> bill: we will covet from the white house. we will emphasize that part of justice, julian assanges' attorney says he want to be extradited back to the united states pair that with the legal line they draw. it'll be sometime before they
shut this out. >> julie: absolutely. we are going to wait for the mueller report to come out as will pay that'll happen in the next week or so. >> bill: may be today. >> julie: maybe sometime soonish. >> bill: qaddafi batt, julie. >> julie: good to be here >> harris: we free and with the fox news alert. any day now any minute now, the president and his wife are set to greet south korea's president has wife of the white house. julian assange is being charged, he is in custody overseas. we await possible remarks for the president on that. he could speak on the host of issues, as you know he will. we'll be ready to bring it all to live. keep watching for that. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. fox news analyst and cohost of "benson & harf" on fox news radio, marie harf. joining us in center city, editor and chief of the "washington examiner," hugo is here. he's "outnumbered."