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his kids at parties. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report" fair balanced and you unafraid. "the story" hosted by martha mccallum on a busy day starts right now. >> martha: busy day indeed. breaking tonight, chaos in venezuela as secretary of state mike pompeo says this: >> military action is possible. >> if that's what's required, that's what the united states will do. >> we're live tonight with the reaction from a democratic presidential candidate tulsi gabbard who says we should stay out of it. plus matt gaetz and eric swalwell on breaking news that attorney general william barr will not appear before their committee tomorrow. congressman swalwell says this move could lead to barr's impeachment. first, the chairman of the judiciary committee on the senate sidekicked off today's barr hearing by saying he was pretty much over the whole thing.
>> you will hear more about that. attorney general bill barr told the senate judiciary committee that he has assembled a new team to dig into what happened at the fbi in the early days of the trump-russia investigation and just how high up it went. >> do you share my concerns about the fisa warrant process? >> yes. >> do you share my concerns about the counterintelligence investigation how it was opened and why it was open? >> yes. >> while there was a lot of high emotion in this hearing today about whether bob mueller and bill barr clashed over their take on the findings, there was this. >> i think the american public has seen quite well that you are biased in this situation and you have been no been objective. >> i haven't been the only decisionmaker here. >> the senator said cruz summed it up in his opinion this way. >> their entire argument is general barr you suppressed
the 19 pages that are entirely public that we have that we can read that they know every word of it and their complaint is it was delayed a few weeks. >> martha: chief national correspondent ed henry joins me now with the rest thereof big news. >> still breaking tonight attorney general bill barr just telling house judiciary democrats a few moments ago he will not come testify tomorrow. that comes as the senate judiciary chair lindsey graham declared he is done with all of this and will not let democrats either retry the criminal case against president trump or slander bill barr. graham using that word slander after democrat maysey hirono said barr had sacrificed reputation for becoming a defense attorney for a drifter and liar in the oval office. graham declared she was out of line and added later that robert mueller's probe is officially over and he is not going to call the special counsel as a
witness. democrats in the house though may pursue contempt of charges against barr for not coming before them to testify. they are likely to call mueller to testify to be a witness and he could have a lot to say after we learned the special counsel sent barr a letter late march expressing concerns about the way he handled the initial release of the findings and that it did not capture the full context of his probe and had created, quote, public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. now, in his defense, barr testified that after receiving mueller's complaints they spoke by phone and the special counsel was very clear that the bottom lines that barr put out in his letter to congress were, in fact, accurate that there was no collusion or conspiracy after the trump camp and russia and that mueller had not come to a conclusion on obstruction. with no less than three democratic presidential candidates serving on the senate panel, no surprise the questioning became heated. kamala harris and cory booker calling on barr to resign and amy klobuchar trying to make the case
obstruction of justice was committed. watch. >> if the president of the united states is implying, getting out there that your family members have committed a crime, so you don't consider that any attempt to change testimony? >> i think he has made it clear. can we move on? i think he made it clear sir he has not looked at the evidence. >> not only put your own credibility into question but seem to be giving sanction to behavior. >> barr is not stepping down. he testified in his call with mueller special counsel told him three times his decision to not reach a decision on obstruction was not based on that doj policy that a president cannot be indicted. that's one of many democratic talking points that was shot down by the attorney general who gave as good as it got. watch. >> may we have those notes? >> no. >> why not? >> why should you have them? >> a president essentially tries to change the lawyer's
account in order to prevent further criticism of himself. >> well, that's not a crime. >> barr made clear he is now moving forward on investigating the obama administration and how all this started as for his own credibility, he tried to make the case that if mueller was upset about a 19-page summary of his findings not being released in march the attorney general headed up releasing 400 pages to the public how could it be a coverup in the president meanwhile telling trish regan of fox business barr did a fantastic job. martha? >> martha: here now house judiciary member and 020 presidential candidate congressman eric swalwell. good to have you with us this evening. >> good evening, martha. >> martha: your reaction to the news this evening that you will not be hearing in your committee from william barr tomorrow? >> if the attorney general had nothi would come testify to congress tomorrow. he played a home game today and his credibility was destroyed. now it's time to come to the other legislative branch over on the house side. >> martha: why don't you
question him yourself? why would you want to put staffers in front of you why wouldn't you do your own job? >> i will question him myself if he comes and i will be allowed to you question him myself. but, if you recall, during the dr. ford testimony for the kavanaugh hearing staffs were also used in addition to senators to just supplement the questioning so you could really get to the essence of things. if dr. ford is able to do it, why isn't the attorney general. >> martha: a judge who had done a lot of. >> a prosecutor. march. >> dr. ford is not a lawyer subjected herself and the attorney general of the united states again, what does it say about our attorney general if he can't take questions from another lawyer? that should bother you, too. >> martha: all right. so when you watch all of that play out today and just with regard to what ted cruz had to say, he said look, in the end, it seems like we are arguing over whether or not mueller and barr had the same take away from this report. you know, why do you think
that robert mueller did not find for obstruction in the report. given all of that and given the argument that we heard today, why do you think that robert mueller did not find obstruction on the part of the president? >> well, i will just go with what robert mueller said i read the full report. he said partially because the department of justice does not allow him to indict a sitting president. characterize that which is why mueller did something that was very uncharacteristic for mueller. he sent a letter to barr saying he believed that his opinion has been mischaracterized. that's what's so troubling here that mueller has the utmost respect and trust of the american people. he is the one that we should hear from. he is the one that should come next before anyone. >> martha: you know, everyone listens to all this back and forth. in the end, mueller and barr agreed that they would not move forward on obstruction. there had been no collusion. on those two points, which are the whole basis of the
special counsel investigation they agreed and with regard to what you just said, i thought it was very interesting today, william barr made it very clear that on several occasions robert mueller has said he has separated out the argument you can't indict a president and he has still not decided to move forward with obstruction. let's play bill barr on that. >> special counsel mueller stated three times to us in that meeting in response to our questioning that he emphatically was not saying that but for the olc opinion he would have found obstruction. >> martha: so what do you think about that? >> that's not what mueller said in his report. but also what concerns me a lot, martha, is that barr testified today that he didn't even review the underlying evidence to make a decision. so, i mean, as a former prosecutor that really bothers me because i would never make a charging decision without reading the entire evidence file. for him to say he didn't review the evidence shows me that he was more interested in protecting donald trump
and being his lawyer than upholding the rule of law. >> martha: assume for a moment that that's true. >> he said it so i should assume it's true. >> martha: it doesn't change the underlying finding. he wasn't the investigator. robert mueller had a huge team. 19 attorneys who are some of the best people in the country at what they do. they were the people who looked at all the underlying evidence. the burden was on them to do that. then they present their findings and mueller and bill barr had a choice. he could either make those public or say no prosecution. that's is their job. prosecute or not prosecute. that's all he had to say. instead they made every single thing public. so i guess this whole, you know, sort of jump on bill barr thing is a little bit hard for i think some people watching all of this to figure out. >> the mueller team identified 10 instances where the president obstructed justice. in part they said they could
not indict because he was saying president. barr said today he didn't review the underlying evidence. that's maddening the person making the final signoff makes a decision without reviewing the evidence. i will say one other thing because what concerns me the most because i don't want to re-litigate the past 200 pages links between the trump campaign and russians. it was clear they never went into the financial records or the financial dealings between the trumps and the russians. that is something we're going to do on the intelligence committee. but that should also. >> martha: that's fine. that's your prerogative. obviously you guys can move forward with impeachment proceedings for the president. i mean, the ball is really in your court now. you said you want barr to resign or he could be impeached. the president's impeachment is on the table. so are you planning to move forward with impeachment of the president or impeachment of bill barr? >> so barr was supposed to turn over to us the full mueller report because there is an eighth of it that's missing. >> martha: can you see that if you go into the scif. can you read the whole thing. >> no, no, no, march that's. that's not true only
mr. nadler and mr. schiff have been invited to their point how fair is it that they go in and read the whole report can't take notes or tell the world anything they see something concerning we need to impeach the president because of what we saw just trust me. who would go along with that i love the two of them. i would still want to see the evidence myself. that's their point. >> martha: my request is if you request to see it you will probably be granted that. >> i'm asking. i'm requesting attorney general. >> martha: i don't blame you. eric swalwell thank you very much, sir. >> yep. >> martha: also here tonight matt gaetz sits on the house judiciary committee as well. matt, good to see you tonight. are you disappointed that you're not going to get to question william barr tomorrow? >> i am. we do have a lot of game tape from william barr from his many hours in the senate today. i find it a little comical that my democratic colleagues would say it's not enough that bill barr went before the senate judiciary committee which has three presidential candidates from the democratic side on the committee. and it's not even enough that bill barr offered to
come to the congress and answer questions under the five-minute rule and it's not even enough that after every member got to ask their five minutes of questions, bill barr was willing to submit to an additional hour of questions so long as those questions were asked by people who were elected and serving in the congress not some hired gun brought in for that specific purpose. martha, the only other time i can see where the house judiciary committee has had staff asking questions at an open hearing is during an impeachment proceeding. that's really the whole point here. the democrats want to have impeachment in drag. they sort of want to dress up this deal as impeachment without having to invoke that term because they know that it will excite a lot of the body politic and certainly rally people to the president's side. >> martha: you know, i do want to ask you about this one area of questioning today. where from the last testimony here is what bill barr said about whether or not he -- whether or not he thought that robert mueller
supported his conclusion, his finding. this is from the last round of questioning. watch this. >> would bob mueller support your conclusion? >> i wouldn't know whether or not bob mueller supported my conclusion. >> martha: so he said that. but, as it turns out, he had gotten the first round of push back from robert mueller there were two periods of push back from robert mueller two weeks before he said that. does that seem odd to you. >> push back is something very distickets from not supporting the conclusion. i have yet to see any evidence that robert mueller disagrees with the con clues sorry bottom line upfront statements made by the attorney general. what robert mueller seemed to be objecting to was the lack of context and additional detail. martha, i know a lot of authors who have had their books made into movies and i don't know one of them that likes the movie version of their book. likewise i would expect that there might be some pride of authorship with robert mueller where he didn't appreciate another person making those statements without the full body of their work. but, really how is this not
a moot point? all of america has all 400 and some odd pages to see and go through. why are we arguing over conclusions that no one disputes over a report that now everyone has read? >> martha: i think that's probably the way a lot of people look at it at this point. the entire report is out there except for some very light redactions. and everybody in america, which i think is good. can read it in terms of where this thing goes next, i know that there was some questions about doing a leak investigation because there were a lot of things that ended up in the press that, you know, should not have ended up in the press. they are going to investigate that i also thought this was interesting in terms of what bill barr said about why he decided that he had to put out the principle conclusion. sort of the headline of the report fairly quickly. watch this. >> i made the determination that we had to put out some information about the bottom line. the body politic was in a high state of agitation. former government officials
were confident -- confidently predicting that the president and members of his family were going to be indicted. >> martha: who and what do you think he was talking about there, matt? >> i don't know. i do recall during that time there was a great deal of pressure on the attorney general to tell the american people what had happened. because we all knew that robert mueller had smithed his report and everyone was waiting with baited breath to determine what the result would be. as the attorney general was going through the redactions, we even heard people on the left wrongly predicting is that barr would redact a huge amount of the report. that we wouldn't see anything. he released 92% of the report. and so i think that those sort of, you know, crying wolf saying that the sky is falling. these outlandish claims by democrats were proven false and the attorney general did just what he should have done. say, look, bottom line upfront, here's the verdict. no one is going to get prosecuted over this investigation. now, let me get to the business. not of releasing this in dribs and drabs but get as much of it before the
american people as soon as possible. what more could we have asked for. >> martha: john brennan said indictments would be coming down in days i wonder if he is one of the officials that bill barr felt needed to be set straight. >> there will be ig report coming in june that will illuminate on that. one before that that will illuminate the illicit ties between the fbi and the media with leaks and illicit gifts. >> martha: we will be watching. matt gaetz thank you very much, representative. good to see you tonight. >> good to see you. >> martha: story exclusive with presidential 2020 2020 candidate tulsi gabbard. ♪ ♪ pay as much for insurance... as not safe drivers! ah! that was a stunt driver. that's why esurance has this drivesense® app. the safer you drive, the more you save. don't worry, i'm not using my phone and talking to a camera while driving... i'm being towed. by the way, i'm actually a safe driver. i'm just pretending to be a not safe driver. cool. bye dennis quaid!
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it's a lot of for him. it is from a constitutional standpoint as the way it's supposed to be. he was elected. they should be running it. now, at least we could go in and help him a little bit with and maybe a lot. >> the president talking about the opposition leader the elected leader juan guaido joining the protesters in venezuela today. he wants demonstrators to take to the streets on a consistent basis until the disputed president, nicholas maduro is oust you had. the clashes have reportedly resulted in at least one death. dozens of injuries from rubber bullets and tear gas and live ammunition. the united states maintains that all options are on the table including military action if needed. here now exclusively congresswoman tulsi gabbard of hawaii, a combat veteran and 2020 democratic presidential candidate. representative gabbard, great to have you with us
tonight. thank you very much for being here. >> great to talk to you. >> martha: what's your reaction to that? you heard kellyanne conway counselor to the president there and john bolton have also said this is not a coup. this is the will of the venezuelan people that guaido be in charge. >> well, i think what was mentioned there in that clip and i think you highlighted that the united states is putting all options on the table, including u.s. military options. that points to a much bigger risk and a much bigger danger that poses the american people in our own national security. any time we are in this situation where you have tensions being ratcheted up and this conflict being pushed closer and closer between nuclear armed countries like the united states and countries like russia and china. this is something that poses an existential threat to the american people. and when you hear this kind of saber rattling coming from the trump administration from people like john bolton and mike
pompeo, pushing this civil war and for the united states get involved we are dealing with dangerous consequences. we know this all too well in hawaii over a year ago when we got this nuclear missile alert that went across over a million people's phones in our state saying missile incoming, seek shelter immediately. this is not a drill. what we found in that terrifying incident, even though it was a false alarm the threat was real and there was nowhere to go. no shelters to be found. >> martha: you have a desperate situation that's playing out. people have lost an average of 24 pounds. hunger. there is electricity issues to be clear. millions of people have fled. and we have tried sanctions against the oil business, against cuba, which has a huge influence there. and none of that seems to be working to give the people of venezuela what they democratically voted for. and the concern is that having this in our backyard where you could have a
foreign adversary have so much control as we see from russia in that country now, that that's a threat to our security as well. >> you brought up a few points there. first of all, russia and china have had longstanding relationships with venezuela where they have had, you know, the sale of the 1-300 mills happened over a decade ago between russia and venezuela. that relationship with china has been long-standing. these are not things that are new. what we are hearing is an increased saber rattling intention saying that the united states needs to send in the u.s. military now to wage another wasteful counter productive regime change war once again being done under the guise of humanitarianism. if this administration is so concerned about the well-being of the venezuelan people as we all are then they should be using their influence and power to try to bring the different sides together towards some
reconciliation. >> martha: isn't that what they have been trying to do? we heard from secretary pompeo and from the president that they are hoping for a peaceful resolution here. but you have sergey lavrov the russian foreign minister saying our interference is a grave violation of international law. >> the problem is that you hear people like john bolton and mike pompeo saying that they're hoping for a diplomatic solution while at the same time basically using the threat of u.s. military force. that does not set the stage for diplomacy. that simply ratchets up the tensions. the united states should set the example and lead the way and bring o brokered and overseen elections that the venezuelan people can truly have their voice heard. >> martha: do you believe that nicholas maduro has been a horrific leader for his people and he should go? >> i think that the venezuelan people ultimately need to be the ones to ultimately make that decision.
>> martha: but they have made that decision. >> the united states is not helping the situation by interfering and basically pushing for externally yet another regime change war that history shows us has not turned out to have a positive impact on people in the countries where we wage these wars. that's why i'm push for diplomacy. >> martha: countries that have backed guaido and say that he is the rightful democratic leader of that country. if you are a person who loves venezuela and lives there and is looking to the united states saying please help us. are you saying that you would turn your back on them if they need even if they do need some military support you? would say sorry, we're not doing it? >> i'm saying that when we look throughout history, every time the united states goes into another country, and topples a dictator or topples a government the outcome has been disastrous for the people in these countries. that's why we should use our leadership in the world to try to broker a diplomatic solution working with
countries like russia that have great influence over venezuela so that there is a peaceful outcome because i can tell you as a soldier, martha, i have seen firsthand the high cost of war and pushing for this civil war, pushing for the use of military force will only end up with more suffering and death and disaster for the venezuelan people. what to speak of increasing the nuclear threat, increasing these tensions that risk and threaten our own national security. >> martha: all right congresswoman gabbard, thank you for being with us tonight. i hope you will be back. >> thank you; >> martha: in-depth investigation. don't miss it next. ♪ ♪ ♪ limu emu & doug look limu. a civilian buying a new car. let's go. limu's right. liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need.
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fight to stop the massive tragedy of opioid deaths in america has geraldo rivera on the front lines once again. two dozen hospitals in hard-hit places like west virginia and kentucky are now going directly after the opioid manufacturers and the distributers. they want them to pay for the damages that they say they set in motion. correspondent at large geraldo rivera tracking this nationwide and joins me now live tonight. geraldo, good to see you. >> thank you, martha. this is a national catastrophe and it's fueled by corporate greed. you have the opioid manufacturer, you have the distributers. you have the doctors and pharmacists who played along pretending that these drugs weren't as addictive as they are. you mentioned west virginia and kentucky. two states devastated by the opioid o.d. epidemic. overdose epidemic. i have just come back from sarasota, florida, one of the 2,000 plaintiffs in the many lawsuits against big
pharma. william robinson is the lead attorney in sarasota. watch. >> they started a marketing campaign to change the narrative. and what they wanted if you look at the statistics is to convince the mainstream physicians and medical professionals that opioids would be appropriate for chronic pain, and they're not. because the body gets used to it. >> you think this was a deliberate manipulation of information designed to get people hooked on drugs? >> that's absolutely true. >> aside from the lawsuits, martha, sarasota also has an innovative program in the jail where they are trying to get these addicts a way to clean up, stay clean and go home. >> i have been in the business a long time, 49 years. and they say once a junky, always a junky. do you fear that as clean as they seem now that when they get back out there they will do it again? >> no. we got success stories here to prove it. >> david here is one of the
success stories in county jail. how often have you been arrested. >> i would be lying to you if i had an exact number. it's a lot. >> how long have you been clean and sober? >> going on six years. >> how did you turn it around? >> actually in these pods. >> what are you doing in life now? >> i have a great career. a family that loves me. just trying to put one foot in front of the other and progress every day. >> how does it feel having david around you guys here? >> we don' we we all want to do better. we want a great life back. >> this program is making me not just be a better human being, a better father, a better son, just everything. >> being in the recovery pod has taught me that there is a solution there are people out there willing to help you. >> this was the first place that i really believed that it was possible, that it was worth it, and that it was attainable. i didn't think that before. >> i'm in recovery. and i'm hoping that everything works out and
that i get my children back. i want my life back. it breaks my heart every day that i don't get to see them and don't get to hug them because of the choices that i made. >> breaking that addiction is very difficult, martha. but they do have a success rate that exceeds the national rate. they say that about 44% addicts who get clean they go back. they are recidivists. in this program in sarasota 34%. there is a meaningful improvement. if you give them compassion and give them a life lesson it really seems to work. >> martha: incredible piece of reporting that you put together there, geraldo. and i just think that, you know, you can't be a human being and listen to these people's stories and not pull for them and not want to see programs like this that can help them. but as you say, there is a corporate greed element to this and you think it's
analogous in some ways to the tobacco companies who knew what they were doing but were okay making money off of it for all those years. >> tobacco was good for people or not addictive. it is time to pay the piper. these drug manufacturers now, they are the drug cartel. they are the corner pusher and we have to think of them in that light. these are the people responsible. they made the billions. they donated to everybody. became social big shots. and now they are going to be in orange jump suits or paying -- >> martha: except anybody from pharmaceutical companies for that purpose which i think is interesting. i wonder if other candidates will also commit to that geraldo, thank you very much. >> great pledge. >> martha: great to see you tonight. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: coming up a look at joe biden who has gotten a lot of attention this week. is he in des moines, iowa tonight gaining. we will dip in for a second. breaking moments ago another
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attack in california white supremacists gathered on a facebook page linked to the suspect to express support for him. last month when a gunman killed 50 people at two mosques in new zealand facebook admitted it failed to lye attack ran for 17 minutes on its site. "wall street journal" reports extremists who killed 253 people who were eastern sunday masses in sri lanka eachly called for violence through social media and online videos. leading to ban on facebook, what's app. and youtube. here now is congressman matt rhodes of new york who shares the house intelligence and counter-terrorism subcommittee thank you very much. good to have you here tonight. >> thank you so much for having myanmar march great to have you here. this is one other moment from mark zuckerberg that maybe didn't go the way he hoped. watch. >> great. >> the future is private.
this is the next chapter for our services. i get that a lot of people aren't sure that we are serious about this. i know that we don't exactly have the strongest reputation on privacy right now to put it lightly. but i'm committed to doing this well. >> i guess he was hoping for a little bit of laugh, some feedback there. what did you think about that sir? >> i'm disturbed that mark zuckerberg thinks this is funny. in the immediate aftermath of this shooting in the new zealand. homeland security called for facebook twitter to come before the committee. how much money do you spend and how many people have you allocated to focus on counter terrorist screening? they said at the time well we don't know. so, we asked them, gave a deadline, please give us the answer to this very simple
question. and youtube got back to us. twitter got back to us with nondescript answers that were basically evasive. facebook completely ignored our requests. it's disturbing that they did so because this is a matter of public safety for all of us and at this point i have little reason to believe that any of these companies are spending more on counter terrorist screening than they do on lobbying, entertainment, and food. so i asked them tonight, prove me wrong. prove me wrong that you care more about public safety than do you about the education and culinary wishes of your own staff. this is absurd. we are all in this together and they have a responsibility to fix this. >> martha: i mean, it is almost like have you got these chat rooms. have you got this circle of people who are all existing, you know, not in a physical way but all over the internet. all around the world, cheering on craziness.
cheering on sick people and giving them in these cases the strength that they need to go in and carry out these horrific attacks. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> how are you going to hold -- how are you going to push for this? if they are not responding to you or if facebook isn't responding to you, what kind of pressure can you put on them to get somewhere with this? >> no. we are going to get our answers to this because we have got to understand what exactly they are doing and then we have to figure out how to not only demand that they do enough in a similar manner to how we demand that auto companies put airbags in their vehicles. but then what we also have to figure out how law enforcement at the local and federal level can work with social media. >> martha: great point. >> what we're hearing this is not a two-way street law enforcement is going to social media companies. >> martha: that's a great point. we have watched that in other court terrorism investigations where you want the local guys to also be in touch. i'm out of time but just
when you look at this super quickly, 8 chan where the white supremacist crazies hang out. they get pushed off one platform they find another. real quick. >> well, look, they are getting pushed to that platform. but they are still also operating on facebook. let's not forget that this massacre in new zealand, which was live streamed, was on facebook for 30 minutes and uploaded over a million times before they took it down. this shooter at the synagogue recently he had a facebook link and thought about livestreaming it and lastly this massacre in sri lanka, one of the people participating in it, he actually incited violence on facebook and the comments weren't taken down until yesterday. >> martha: march it's horrible. >> they have got to do more. >> martha: no doubt robbed people of cheering section in social media. thank you. come back. we would like to talk to you more about that. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: you bet. remember this moment the
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>> martha: breaking tonight nicholas sandmann the student you remember from this famous moment now from covington high school viral moment at the march for life back in january. he was accused of mocking native american nathan phillips. his story turned out to be not at all what it appeared to be in the beginning. he has now filed 275-million-dollar lawsuit i stand corrected against nbc universal saying they quote created a false narrative by portraying the confrontation as a hate crime committed by nicholas his legal team has also sued "the washington post" and cnn for huge amounts of money. joining me now for wednesdays with watters jesse watters, co-host of the five and waters world. hi, jesse. >> hi, martha. >> martha: this kid is serious and has a very strong team and he got trampled on by these huge organizations in a big way. >> jesse: he sure did. only way you will get them to change their behavior is hit them in the pocketbook because they don't have any integrity. they will don't have any shame. and they are not going to self-police or self-correct.
you have to send a financial chill down their corporate spine. they are already reeling from avenatti and smolgt and russia hoax. this is where you get them. right now the risk of losing even one of these lawsuits, i mean that will send the stock price way down and they are just burning up litigation fees with all their outside counsel. so at this point they need to apologize. i don't think they are going to win but the fact that he is fighting back i think every news director is going to get a call from the ceo parent company hey, guys, be careful we can't afford another mark covington. >> i think is he going to get money out of these. settlement. they went after this kid white catholic wearing a maga cat. >> smirk. don't forget you can't smirk. >> martha: pro-life rally. that those add up to instant decision making process. 100 percent sure they are going the right way and they went the wrong way. we will see. i hope he gets some of that money. this issue comes from you
remember when sheryl sandberg talked about how we have to lean. in women have to lean in. >> what does that mean? >> martha: men need to lean out. more women are seeking the party's presidential than ever before. a few white men sit at the top of the polls and rake in the big fundraising hauls. elizabeth warren, amy klobuchar elizabeth warren lean. in maybe it's time for some of their male competitors for some of their competitors to lean out. you know what guys, you need to back out of the equation. >> they want chivalry back. ladies you go first. that's what obama did in 2016. he told joe biden hey joe, step aside hillary is going to run this dling and guess what? she got crushed. biden who probably they say the biggest shots at defeating trump and they want the frontrunner to bow out so obamacare hontas can
go down in flames? it doesn't make sense to me. >> martha: she doesn't like to be called that. >> excuse me, elizabeth warren. >> martha: i find it very interesting because i am always asking myself i do think that women have a tougher time in some of these situations i had carly fiorina here tonight i remember when she was up there with 16 guys it was rough. on the other hand, i think about president trump who says you either have it or you don't. and i'm not sure that it's gender-based. and he talks about how aoc has it. she has got it i think everybody understands that he said kamala harris has it. she has a nasty -- he gave her money when she ran for ag in california. >> kamala harris was the only one to get under william barr's skin today. she is definitely tenacious. so early wait until you get biden and kamala and elizabeth warren on the debate stage together. they could knock biden's teeth out. and it could change the race and they could springs board up. it's a little early to tell everybody to take turns. >> martha: speaking of elizabeth warren. she has had a pretty good
week because the quinnipiac poll showed biden 38%. he had a great week as he entered the race. look who moved into second place elizabeth warren? >> i think the president is very happy about this. >> martha: he would love to run against. >> he regrets going after her so hard so heller early he killed her too early with the pocahontas name. he wants her to come back. glad she is rising in the polls. >> martha: here is what joe biden had to say at the live rally in iowa. listen to. this president trump tweeted about me 50 times. [laughter] [applause] i wonder why he is doing that? i wonder why he is doing that? [laughter] >> martha: is he probably right about that. >> huge crowd, joe. he had 600 at the most in pittsburgh. i didn't see many people there. >> martha: he is getting under the president's skin. >> i don't think so. i think the media wants everybody to think he is getting under the president's skin.
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welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." what a weird day it was in washington. hard as it may be to believe, two weeks after the release of the mueller report. but on capitol hill tonight they are still yelling about russia! it's as if the most exhaustive federal investigation in a generation never even happened. it's as if the russia collusion story was completely real and not a ludicrous hoax published by ruthless partisans. it's is a facts no longer matter at all, only emotion and ambition and the overriding will to power. these apparently are the new