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♪ ♪ ♪ >> tensions rising between the united states and iran as new details emerge about iran targeting a u.s. drone while responding to a distress call issued by an oil tanker in the gulf of oman. welcome to america's news headquarters, i'm gillian turner. leland: good to be with you at home. noon eastern right now, 8 p.m. in the gulf. i'm leland vittert. u.s. warships still standing guard over one of those tankers. national security correspondent jennifer griffin broke the story about what was a surface to air missile fired at an american drone by the iranians, joins us now with what she's learned. hi, jennifer.
>> reporter: we have new details of that incident about the u.s. reaper drone that was fired on by the iranians on thursday. a senior u.s. official tells me just minutes after the first distress call went out from the tanker at 6:12 a.m. local time, the u.s. military moved an unmanned mq-9 reaper drone over the tanker. the drone alived at 6:20 a.m -- arrived at 6:20 a.m. local time. at i 6:45 a.m. local time, prior to the second attack on the second tanker, a missile was fired at the u.s. drone on station over the au pair. that's a norwegian flagship. it missed. u.s. officials have assessed it was a modified sa-7 surface to air missile fired from iran's mainland. it was fired after the u.s. drone arrived on station to assist the norwegian tanker. separately, we've learned from u.s. officials that an american mq-9 drone was also shot down
over yemen by iranian-backed houthi rebels in recent days. the british government has issued a statement blaming iran's revolutionary guard corps for the tanker attacks this week saying no other state or nonstate actor could. [applause] if by have been responsible. -- plausibly been responsible. quote, i condemn yesterday's attacks, the british foreign secretary wrote. our own assessment leads us to conclude that responsibility for the attacks almost certainly lies with iran. these latest attacks build on a palate earn of destabilizing -- pattern of attacks. the uss bane bridge has been joined by uss mason to protect the second tanker which was attacked. u.s. officials tell me four tugboats contracted to pull the norwegian-owned tanker were prevented from doing so by iranian gun boats that surrounded the stricken tanker. the u.s. navy prevented an iranian tugboat from approaching that japanese vessel.
iran plans to release 23 sailors it detalktained, but there is no evidence they have done so as of yet. leland: you guys have consistently at the pentagon broken a couple pieces of this. where's the arc of this story going as the pentagon continues to release more and more video, put out more and more information? this isn't a coincidence. >> reporter: well, i think what is unusual about this week is that we have seen video evidence released in a very steady stream from u.s. central command. they understand that they have to own the narrative and provide the evidence because there were questions a month ago when the may 12th incident occurred with the four tankers that were struck by mines near the uae. and so they knew that they had to show evidence rather quickly, and they declassified this material in really unprecedented times. leland: all right. jennifer griffin, as you continue to break more news about this, thanks so much. gillian: for more insight, let's
bring in republican congressman of ohio bob gipp, he's a member of the house oversight committee. congressman, quick thoughts from you on escalating tensions in iran now. >> well, i think the iranian regime is desperate, that the sanctions are working, and they're reaching out. maybe they're trying to, you know, do this with the prime minister from japan is visiting, maybe they're trying to send a message like, you know, things are going to happen. you've got to give us some relief on the sanctions. but i'm glad we're there. i think it's very important. they tried this back in the late '80s when president reagan was president, and we took decisive actions anded had good results. so i think -- gillian: sounds like you think president trump and, you know, his defense team are doing the right thing with this buildup of hardware and troops to the region? >> oh, i think -- yes, i do. i think it's a deterrent. if we weren't there, the mullahs in iran would be completely out of control, and they would be controlling the strait of hormuz and the gulf of oman and the
persian gulf. my opinion is we ought to have a carrier group in that region of the world 365, 24/7 and also in the mediterranean sea. we have too much important strategic interest over there, and this helps keep the peace. if they take any actions, we'll be able to squash it down quickly before it escalates. gillian: switching taxes here, because we want to make sure we get your thoughts on the latest house investigation into president trump. he said this week that in the aftermath of the mueller report, democrats didn't get what they want, you know, collusion, obstruction, so they're kind of going at it, this tactic of death by a thousand pinpricks. what do you make of that? >> well, they certainly are. they didn't get what they wanted because there's nothing to get. the trump campaign at the time, president trump or family members, there was no collusion. they ought to be looking at how this got started, and i'm glad to see a.g. barr is looking into the investigations of the investigators, because that's where i think really the collusion was and trying to
undermine a legitimate campaign, a legitimate presidency. and so, you know, they brought on michael cohen for oversight, issued subpoenas from adam schiff and intelligence, others, they're just trying to bring in people that lied to congress, lied to the american people and trying to build a case. what they need to be spending more time in congress ratifying the usmca, let's get -- gillian: listen, your democratic colleagues certainly, sir, disagree with you when it comes to investigating the president. nancy pelosi, the speaker, i think it's safe to say she inched a bit closer to impeachment this week on thursday when she called the president's activity criminal. take a listen, we'll get your response. >> okay. >> yesterday the president gave us once again evidence that he does not know right from wrong. it's a very sad thing, very sad thing that he does not know right from wrong. i believe that he has been involved in a criminal cover-up, i've said that before, and our
investigation is demonstrating that. gillian: she's talking there, of course, about the president's comments about accepting foreign dirt from u.s. enemies earlier this week. >> well, then he's kind of walked that back a little bit. if they saw there was dirt coming in, you'd definitely turn that over to fbi to investigate that, and i think they're just trying to do an impeachment by not saying they're doing an impeachment. this isn't oversight, this is a political witch hunt, and as the mueller report said e and all the other investigations that have happened in the united states congress, there's no, been no collusion, no crime. and they're just trying to divert attention to what, you know, we should be doing, and they can't avert attention from a very strong economy because of the actions we took last congress. they're nervous about next year's election. like i say, we need to ratify the usmca so our american farmers and workers have more of
a level playing field p. i don't think there's any opposition to that. it sends the wrong message to chinese if we can't ratify that. and all this talk about impeachment send the wrong message to chinese. this democratic congress is undermining this administration at the peril -- gillian: all right, sir, we've got to leave it there. we've got a hard break coming up soon, but sounds like you're pretty much in lock step with the president there, calling these proceedings, the investigations an ongoing witch hunt. thank you so much for joining us today. we'll have you back soon. leland? >> okay. leland: the other side of the aisle now. we bring in atlantic council senior fellow, former fbi agent and 2018 democratic congressional candidate for florida's 12th district, chris hunter. pick up where gillian just left off. you have so many members of congress on the democratic side saying they are convinced the president committed a crime where you have robert mueller who for months democrats, years democrats said was the arbiter
of such matters who said we cannot have conclusive evidence that a crime was committed. former fbi agent, you guys deal in things that are beyond a reasonable doubt. do you think democrats are making a criminal issue a political one? >> leland, i don't think that's the case at all. i think that the significance of robert mueller's statement to the media following what attorney general barr had done is something we should all continue to reflect on. it's extraordinary that the special counsel felt it necessary to clarify that, had he believed that there was no evidence of obstruction -- leland: yeah, but he said that in the report. >> he said which in the report? leland: he said both in the report. we believe there was enough evidence to clear the president, we would have, we didn't. but it also said if we believed there was enough evidence to make charges, we would have said that there was, and they couldn't do that.
>> well, that's not quite right. what robert mueller -- leland: but, congressman, in the united states -- pardon me. ran for congress. you're innocent until proven guilty, and it seems as though you have members of congress who are saying the president committed a crime as though they have already decided his guilt or innocent when you have one of the top prosecutors in the country, former director of the fbi saying the evidence isn't there to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. >> well, again, that's not correct. the obstruction of justice investigation evidence that was laid forth in the special counsel's report does demonstrate that crimes were committed. the question now is for congress to answer. the question was never for the department of justice to answer, it was never for a federal prosecutor to answer. it was always only and exclusively for congress to answer. congress has the constitutional responsibility to take the special counsel's report, the evidence associated with it and make sense of it and decide what to do with it. leland: do they have a constitutional responsibility
though to investigate and to hold hearings before making judgments of guilt or innocence? >> oh, of course. and that's part of what should be happening now -- leland: but it's not. you've got members of congress definitively saying they believe he's committed crimes. >> look, i think process is incredibly important in our country and in our system of government, and part of that process is something that played out the last time we faced a threat in the executive branch which was in the late -- in the early 1970s. if congress has the ability to do its job effectively, the process will play itself out as it should, as it did in the early 1970s. and that's where we should allow the process to take place -- leland: if we're allowing the process, one of the things that happened though in the 1970s is you didn't have the jury prejudging those who were going to come before it. there was a lot more reservation in terms of what was being said by those on the committee and by those senators who would ultimately end up hearing a case
of impeachment if it got that far. we're not having that. democrats are more than happy to spout off about what crimes they think the president committed. >> the problem is that bill barr prejudged the outcome -- leland: well, you do, you can't have it both ways. you just said that it's not the doj's job, and now you're saying bill barr prejudged. it is -- >> right. leland: it is the doj's job. it is the attorney general's job to decide what crimes will not be prosecuted under federal law. >> it's not when the target is the president of the united states. that is congress' responsibility under the united states constitution. it's not something that the department of justice can a ascribe to itself, it's certainly not something that bill barr can take on himself, and he did both as a private citizen and then again as attorney general. he opined as a private citizen that the obstruction of justice part of the investigation is something that was grossly reckless and words other than those. and that is why robert mueller had to come out and say what he
did. bill barr prejudged -- [inaudible conversations] leland: you might be, you might be, though, deciding what was and what was not in bill -- in mr. mueller's mind without knowing. at least he never told me why he came out and made that statement. he didn't tell many of us either. mr. hunter, appreciate it, sir. always good to have you. >> leland, thank you. leland: all right. we were going to get to this with mr. hunter but, unfortunately, we ran out of time. iran will certainly be the topic on "fox news sunday" tomorrow, chris wallace talking to secretary of state mike pompeo. gillian, you were pointing out how pompeo is really taking the lead in prosecuting the case against iran. chris delving into that. check your local listings for time and channel, be sure to check out "mediabuzz," 11 a.m. eastern tomorrow. stay tuned. gillian: in the interim, we've got a pulse check over in hong kong. where the government announcing today i it has us -- it has
suspended a proposed extradition bill that sparked widespread protest and drew harsh criticism from the united states and british lawmakers. ryan chilcot has more info now on this victory for pro-democracy protesters. ryan? >> reporter: yeah, good morning. well, this is a major climb-down from the government of hong kong, there's no doubt about that. not going through with this bill, which would effectively have allowed the people from hong kong which is part of china but has its own political system to be extradited to mainland china. it's sort of after a tumultuous week of protests, allowing people to start to pick up the pieces. that said, the protesters are still clearly e dissatisfied. >> so hong kong people have been lied to so many times that we have learned that the government cannot be trusted. so we believe that hong kong
people do not, will not -- and we do understand we have to continue our protests in order to get our cause be accepted by the government. >> reporter: the civil human rights front is calling on people in hong kong to take to streets again tomorrow. they say that it's not enough for the government to simply postpone this bill, they want it to be struck down or to be killed altogether. remember, there have been a very long week of protests already in hong kong. on wednesday we had very violent clashes between young protesters and the police with young protesters effectively blockading the parliament there in hong kong, preventing the parliamentarians from debating the extradition bill. last sunday around a million people marched through the streets of hong kong in the largest protest since 1997 when
the former british colony was handed back to the chinese. what's the big deal? well, this bill would effectively have given mainland china to win anyone in hong kong's extradition and put them on trial in chinese courts which have a near perfect conviction rate which is one of the reasons why the people of hong kong clearly don't trust them. where this goes is now something that we're likely to learn tomorrow, because we do have another protest that was scheduled to take place tomorrow before this government climb-down today. some people are saying that we could see another million people on the streets because, again, they want the bill to go away altogether, and many people want the head of the government as well to resign. gillian: ryan, the stakes could not be higher there. thanks for that reporting. leland? leland: all right. we're learning a little bit more about a new threat on the southern border. immigration and customs enforcement now quarantining thousands of my grants after they were exposed to infectious diseases. jeff paul in los angeles with
what disease and who is in danger. hi, jeff. >> reporter: leland, i.c.e. so far has quarantined 5200 migrants after discovering cases of either muchs or chickenpox -- mumps or chickenpox at 40 detention centers across the country. this move was made in an effort to prevent any further spreading. i.c.e. has long warned of issues like this at detention tenter centers -- detention centers saying it's overwhelmed by the number of migrants coming in and at a breaking point. migrants are reportedly getting vaccines, but some lawmakers like colorado congresswoman diana degette takes issues with the detention centers inspecting private contracted federal facilities. >> this is a job of the government, and we should shut these down, and we should put more of these -- the people who are not risks, we should put them on ankle bracelets or other ways of surveillance and not be holding them in custody. >> reporter: one development
that could impact the flow of migrants from central america is a deal mexico just signed with the u.s. in a side agreement, mexico has agreed to additional measures it would take if it fails to help stop the influx of migrants heading to u.s./mexico border. under the terms, if the united states determines at its discretion and after consultation with mexico after 45 days that the measures implemented by mexico haven't is adequately achieved results in addressing the flow of migrants to the u.s. southern border, then mexico will take all necessary steps under domestic law to bring the agreement into force. former acting i.c.e. director tom homan if addressed this today on fox news. >> we're going to expand microprotection protocol where people wait in mexico for the hearings. they're saying the national guard has helped secure the border and to attack the criminal cartel, both their transportation infrastructure and their financial infrastructure. this is a great deal. this is a game-changer if we, if it's implemented correctly and
the mexicans follow through on their commitment. >> reporter: homan also spoke about the president's announcement yesterday naming him border czar. he said it was premature but that he has talked to administration but has not accepted any position. leland? leland: we'll watch that. jeff paul in los angeles, thanks so much. gillian? gillian: meanwhile, protesters turning out for impeach president trump rallies in multiple cities across the country today. one of those demonstrations underway now in new york city's foley square. jacqui heinrich's been out talking to some of those anti-trump protesters this morning about why they believe impeachment is the answer. what are they telling you? >> reporter: good morning, gillian. it really comes down to issue of obstruction for the people who are out here at this rally. this is one of more than sevenrallies happening across the country today, 140 cities have some kind of events happening in solidarity. the group consists of several smaller groups like black lives
matter and the new york immigrant coalition. they call today a national day of local action. their web site points to mueller report as conclusive evidence that the president obstructed justice and told his subordinates to do the same, and they organized this rally to pressure democratic leadership to begin the impeachment inquiry. headlines again after the president's interview with abc's george stephanopoulos, the president calling the news anchor a wise guy after he pressed him on whether he instructed former white house counsel don mcgahn to fire mueller, also the president's position on getting dirt on an opponent. here's part of that clip. >> this is somebody that said we have information on your opponent. oh, let me call the fbi. give me a break -- >> the fbi director says that's what should happen. >> the fbi director is wrong. but of course you give it to fbi or report it to attorney general or somebody like that. but of course you do that. >> reporter: there is at least
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♪ leland: now about 8:30 p.m. in the straits of hormuz, and our pentagon team confirming new information about iranian surface to air first missile es fire -- surface to air missiles fired on june, and this raises questions about what the united states needs today in light of the attack on two oil tankers. retired army major general bob scales part of the show with us now. good to see you, sir, as always. time to teach the iranians a lesson? >> it's going to happen eventually as long as the iranians keep misbehaving and they continue to sort of taunt the west with their idiotic transgressions. we're going to have to strike. the problem is that it's not like what reagan did in '88. the iranians -- leland: reagan sank half of the iranian navy in half an hour. >> they did, but this is a different iranian navy, and it's not going to be just a pinprick, it's going to have to be a campaign. the u.s. military has forces in the area, but they have nowhere near the level of forces to
strike. and secondly, there's not enough of a, of an evidentiary face to allow them to bring allies into anything that would happen. and we can't make any strike against iran unilaterally. we have to have the brits, the french -- leland: the brits came out and said that they believed the iranians were behind the attack on the tankers. this is an interesting question, we're seeing a split in the former obama administration folks who are now questioning the u.s. military's assessment. and i'm putting that gently. perhaps they are not putting it as gently. but this is kind of unprecedented to have former members of the national security apparatus questioning the military's assessment and their motives. >> yeah, that's really strange too because the evidence, leland, is absolutely 100% overwhelming. i just -- leland: what do you make of it? >> i think the evidence is overwhelming -- leland: so they're playing politics? >> absolutely. in this town, in previous administrations it took a lot
less to spark the enthusiasm for a military response. we're living in a different world today. and one thing i have to admire in this administration is they have been very measured in their response. there's not been an overwhelming military action in the region. they are trying to garner support from allies before we do anything. so in a way, this administration has been fairly reluctant to act. leland: real quick, are the iranians emboldened by having seen how the u.s. backed down in venezuela? >> venezuela, yes. but let's add syria, let's add the pullback in afghanistan and iraq. this is in their wheelhouse, in their backyard. and i think they do sense or feel that u.s. is less likely to become engaged with them, but that's a a dangerous assumption because the iranians are living in their own bubble, and i'm afraid that they're in the process of miscalculating. leland: you know all too well the costs of miscalculation and the cost of war having been this firsthand for so much of
america's conflicts over the past 50 years. here's you remembering a moment 50 years ago almost to day. take a look, listen. >> one of my dear friends and classmates was mike smail. i didn't see him after graduation until we were together on the 13th of june, 1969. he came by my foxhole with a can of beer, and about two in the morning that night we were overrun by the north seat vietne 29th regiment. a young soldier came running up to me and said, sir, do you show captain smai ?rrks and he said, i think he's in really bad trouble. we were, in terms of personality, entirely different. but that one morning on the 13th of june, 1969, i realized as i held him in my arms that mike and i shared a bond in both life and death that no one will ever understand who hasn't lived it. leland: and here we are today where so many of our commanders
who have seen combat perhaps in iraq, in afghanistan have not seen the kind of major war of vietnam, of world war ii. is there a danger of miscalculations, lessons they need to keep in mind? >> that's why i wrote this piece. my dad's generation of world war ii died in the hundreds of thousands. my generation in vietnam died in the tens of thousands. the wars we've fought for the last 17 years have often been bloody, but the body count has been considerably less. i kind of worry as we look at potential enemies like iran or china or russia that we may not fully understand what the horrific costs of catastrophic war can be. and that worries me every day, particularly as we continue to confront our potential enemies. we have to understand that close combat is a bloody, horrific undertaking, and we shouldn't do it lightly. leland: especially when you think about a potential conflict
with the russian or the chinese. general, appreciate it as always. the peace you're talking about -- piece you're talking about is up on "the washington post" web site and is worth 5 or 10 minutes not only to read, but reflect on. thank you. >> i appreciate it. gillian: the president is up and tweeting already today. we'll head to the white house for more on what he's saying coming up next. ♪ t in onlwith mavyret, i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all common types of hep c. before starting mavyret your doctor will test if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b, a liver or kidney transplant, other liver problems, hiv-1, or other medical conditions,
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video released by u.s. officials on friday reportedly showing iran's revolutionary guard removing an unexploded mine in the strait of hormuz. the president argues the maximum pressure worked with north korea -- strategy worked with north korea. on "fox & friends" friday, he said his change in policy towards iran is pushing the regime into a corner as well. >> when i came into office, they were, an absolute terror, they were all over the place. they were in yemen, they were in syria. we had 14 different sites of conflict. they were in charge of every single, every single place. and they really are, they're a nation of terror. and they've changed a lot since i've been president, i can tell you. they were unstoppable, and now they're in deep, deep trouble. >> reporter: the president is also touting the strength of the u.s. economy this morning ahead of the official launch of his official re-election campaign tweeting: the trump economy is
setting records and has a long way up to go. however, if anyone but me takes over in 2020, i know the competition very well, there will be a market crash the likes of which has not been seen before. keep america great. that rally to officially kick off his 2020 campaign will be tuesday night in orlando, florida. florida one of six key states that he plans to spend a lot of time in. today he's at trump international golf course for his birthday weekend. gillian? gillian: garrett, sounds like there's a lot on the docket. thanks for keeping a hand on all of it. we'll check back in with you next hour. leland? ♪ ♪ leland: president trump will kick off his 2020 re-election campaign with a rally in orlando next week. with that, we bring in florida talk radio host brian mudd. good to talk to you. here is how the president summed up his view of a potential challenger on "fox & friends" yesterday. take a listen. >> everybody knows joe is,
doesn't have it. now, i see that pocahontas is doing better. i would love to run against her, frankly. i see that bernie sanders is not doing well at all, i would have, frankly, liked to have run against -- i think it's probably those three. i don't see the other ones, i really don't see it. leland: he went on to say a few things about mayor pete as well. ing do you think the president has this analyzed pretty well for florida? >> when it comes to florida, there are a couple things to keep in mind, and that is that the politics here especially on the left can be complicated because of the prevalence of the hispanic vote. but also the difference with the hispanic constituency in florida. you might remember, leland, that prior to election day last year i was telling you that republicans were actually felt to outperform at the top of the ticket because many hispanics were concerned in florida about the progressive and specifically socialistic tendencies of candidates like andrew gillam. and, indeed, we saw that at the
top of the ticket in florida republicans outperformed, and we saw that democrats performed better down ballot where those issues weren't as much of a concern. i think when you're talking 2020 democrats in florida politics in particular, the candidate in the flavor of the progressive -- leland: yeah, but you think about it, desantis won over gillam by four-tenths of a percentage point. and you were right, it was a lot closer than the polls had it. they had gillam up. never theless, that socialist message that gillam came out from nowhere with meant that the president and a number of surrogates had to live in florida to get desantis elected and rick scott to take out senator nelson. >> you're 100% correct, but when you look at the context of the election cycle and how favorable it was for democrats, it speaks volumes they were able to pull out the race with the governor's seat and now-senator rick scott taking out a longtime
incumbent -- leland: your point is, essentially, republicans are going to outperform if you put a socialist or a liberal democrat at the top of the ticket. here is the 2020 democrats versus the prime minister. joe biden up by 13%. bernie sanders up by 9. kamala harris up by 8. mayor pete, pete buttigieg, up by 5 points. cory booker also up by 5 points. that's, that's a lot more than just a little bump of outperformance that you need to overcome that margin. >> oh, sure. and at this time four years ago, hillary clinton beats every republican contender -- leland: fair point. >> i think rubio performed the best, losing to her by 4 points, and trump, i think, was 18 points off of hillary clinton in a hypothetical. but you can take those polls with a grain of salt. when you're talking about florida in particular, biden might fit democrats in our state the best, but i also think he
has challenges in other states if they go that way. i briefly mentioned in the last time we spoke, but if you take a look, president trump's strongest performance has been with black voters, his weakness has been with adult-only voters, and i think the 2020 democratic nationally that does a good job of bringing new voters stands a good chance nationally. but that is a catch 22 in florida because, again, what plays nationally is not in the best interest of democrats in florida given our electorate here. leland: interesting analysis. jessica tarlov had a piece echoing some of those thoughts on "the hill" magazine. brian, good to see you, sir, as always. appreciate you taking the time on a saturday. >> love being with you. appreciate it, leland. leland: enjoy the sun. gillian? gillian: well, the supreme court expected to issue two dozen decisions between now and the end of the month when it wraps up its term and heads for summer recess. we've got a panel of experts to break down two of the most controversial cases for you just ahead.
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gillian: will contain a controversial citizenship question can the fate of a nearly 100-year-old peace cross built to honor world war i fighters, it stands in maryland. chief counsel and policy director of the judicial crisis network, harry severino, and president of the constitutional accountability center elizabeth wydra. let's break down quickly for our viewers the nuts and bolts of this case here. at issue, we're going to look at census and the citizenship question first, whether this question should be added to the 2020 form. the trump administration says it would help enforce the voting rights act and lead to a more realistic accounting of the u.s. population writ large are, but critics -- civil rights
groups -- say it would lead to undercounting minority populations, particularly blacks and latinos. carrie, who's on the right side of the coin here? >> this is a question that should really be unremarble. the citizenship's -- unremarkable. the citizenship's question been on the census for the vast majority of its history -- gillian: well, but not since 1950, right? >> they still used it in the long form regularly, and it's something that the census bureau continues to ask in their regular surveys they do. it is very foundational that a country ought to know how many citizens it has. it's something the united nations recommend its member nations do. this should be totally unmark bl. the fact it's even being challenged shows an attempt to push back on the very concept of citizenship, and it's frightening to think there could be several justices on the court who would suggest that's not an appropriate question. again, the question has been asked for hundreds of years that they shouldn't be allowed --
gillian: you disagree. lay out your perspective. >> yeah. of so, first of all, the census is supposed to count everybody. our constitution insures that everyone, whether you're a citizen or not, whether you can vote, whether you can't, is counted. gillian: so you want to get a handle on the u.s. population, writ large. >> it might sound boring, but it's not. it's important for political representation and the supreme court and the constitution insure that everyone counts for political representation whether they can vote or not, citizen or not. that's in the constitution, and it's clear. and also the census insures that federal -- millions and millions, $800 million is distributed to communities where they need it. and so if you are undercounted, if vulnerable communities are undercounted -- and the research shows they would be with this addition of the question -- then that's a big deal. and the information, as carrie said, is already available through other forms.
so it's really just a cover-up reason to say -- gillian: well, let's go to cover-up -- >> [inaudible] gillian: a lot of conservatives -- [laughter] a lot of conservatives will tell you this is about dollars and this is about, you know, federal funding for states, this is about house seats for democrats. carrie, tell us about the political implications of this decision one way or another. >> well, we need to know where the american citizens are located. that's not the only question being asked. citizenship surveys ask a whole lot of questions, and if you look at the people, the questions they decline to answer, they decline to answer that question at several rates like whether you're married or not. i disagree that it's clear that people are going to be not answering the survey. i think right now we are not asking the entire country the question on citizenship, so we are getting this from spot check surveys that the census bureau is doing, but we don't have those numbers for the country at large. it's common sense to say we need to know this answer.
the 14th amendment talks about the privileges and immunities of citizenship, it's right there in the constitution. citizens are the ones who are voting, so it makes -- >> but that's not the operative constitutional clause. it's about political representation which the 14th amendment is very clear that everyone is counted when it comes to drawing the lines -- >> and we would, yeah, but they would -- [inaudible conversations] >> i think it's total speculation saying people are going to refuse to answer the question simply because -- >> i mean, research shows it. it's not speculation. >> we disagree on the research. gillian: well, and to be fair -- [inaudible conversations] the focus shifted this year to executive privilege when, you know, the president invoked -- there's now a fight over whether this is even in the administration's prerogative to make this decision whether secretary of the treasury wilbur ross rightfully, you know, took this decision upon himself. so that's still got to get hashed out in the interim as well. >> -- congressional grant, it is incredibly broad. it's virtually unlimited saying they just need to count the
people -- gillian: but the reason is -- >> why are you hiding the document? gillian: we didn't even get to peace process i wanted to talk to you about because this was such a lively and heated debate. thank you so much. we'll bring you back in the next few weeks. thanks so much. >> thanks for having i us. leland: the fbi now investigating a stream of americans who who died on vacation. live from the dominican republic with the new clues next. ♪ ♪
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lee we are learning more about the fbi's investigation into the deaths of at least eight american tourists in the anyone can can republic. this as prosecutors are laying out a timeline for the investigation into the unrelated shooting of baseball star david ortiz. steve harrigan in the capital of santa domingo with the latest. hi, steve. >> reporter: police here are holding ten suspects in the shooting of former red sox slugger david ortiz. they're moving the ten between four different jails, trying to keep them apart, and whenever they do move them, they've got to put them in riot gear, bulletproof vests and helmets because people are trying to hurt them, such is the fury over the shooting of ortiz who is a hero across the dominican republic. of those ten suspects, two are also suspected in carrying out
violent crimes in the u.s., in pennsylvania and new jersey. as far as ortiz himself, he continues to recover after two lengthy surgeries having removed part of his intestine in boston. friends say he's sitting up, eating soup and watching red sox games, so out of any threat of losing his life from this shooting. as fact other story, we're up to eight now in u.s. tourists staying in revolters here in the dominican republic who have died suddenly under unexplained circumstances, many of them middle-aged appearing in very good health. the latest is jake curran, a retired police officer from ohio, 78 years old. he came here with his wife in january. his daughter explains what happened. >> 3:00 in the morning he started to vomit, and he started to aspirate on his vomit, and my mother tried to move him to help him, and she called the friend that was vacationing with them. he was in a different building. his wife and him came over to
help my mother, and he was unresponsive, and they took him to hospital in the dominican republic where they put him on a ventilator in icu, and he eventually died. >> reporter: dominican officials are saying the eight deaths are not related, but they are investigating. leland, back to you. leland: all right. steve harrigan in the dominican republic, we'll keep following that, and we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. ..
>> we are learning more about a us drone flying above these oil tankers. officials say the iranian's fired a surface to air missile in the gulf of nowman saturday afternoon, saturday night where there are still us warships on sentry. welcome to america's news headquarters. jillian: a senior official says that drone was attacked within minutes of its arrival on the scene. jennifer griffin has all the details.
>> reporter: us defense officials tell me there are no execute orders for us naval vessels to escort commercial ships through the strait of hormuz. us central command release this photo. the unexploded limpet mine removed from one of the tankers is the same type used to attack more oil tankers in the same area. united arab emirates presented evidence to the un security council the attacks were state-sponsored. oil prices increased by 4% following thursday's tanker attack but remain lower than where they were two months ago. the 20 ministers proud to stabilize the oil market, the us granted a waiver to iraq to import iranian gas. when encouraged baghdad to find an alternative. this video shows proof of iran's involvement in thursday's effect. the israeli and islamic revolutionary regard fast boat were the first to remove the
unexploded mine from the whole of the ship. iran denied playing any role in the attack. the bridge government issued a statement backing the us conclusion that iran is to blame. the iranian's put out a press release that they rescued all 44 sailors on the two disabled tankers. one of the tanker crews were detained after being rescued by another merchant vessel. those sailors remain in iranian custody and there are no plans to release them to dubai. the u.s. navy rescued the other 21 sailors from the tanker rescued by the uss bainbridge. they were released to their ship. us officials say four tugboats contracted to pull the norwegian owned tanker were prevented from doing so by iranian gunboats. the u.s. navy prevented an iranian tugboat from approaching the japanese to vessel.
jillian: you mentioned the british are backing the united states. interesting to note international support, some of america's closest allies have not been on the same side since the us pulled out of the iran nuclear deal. are they throwing their weight? >> it is significant to hear such a strong statement from the british. the brits have been a key ally forever, and have not supported the conclusion iran is involved. it is not conclusive and they want to see more intelligence. the united arab emirates, and in terms of the intelligence gathering? leland: great reporting.
mark meredith at the long-standing tension between the united states and iran. those remember 1988, déjà vu all over again. >> the us and iran have a long and complicated history filled with decades of distrust and military -- followers of the ayatollah storm the us embassy in tehran in 1979. then president jimmy carter tried diplomatic and military efforts to bring the hostages home but they were later released on president reagan's inauguration day after 400 days in captivity. in the late 1980s the us began protecting oil tankers from attack in the persian gulf. the mission was response to the iran iraq war with tankers in the region under attack. in the 1990s in 2000s the us impose additional sanctions against iran. george w. bush named iran as one of three countries in the axis
of evil. once in office president obama vowed to begin rebuilding relations with iran. the iran nuclear deal required iran to increase the program for 25 years in exchange for sanctions being lifted. in 2018 donald trump withdrew the us from the agreement. >> at the heart of the iran deal is a giant fiction, a murderous regime with that peaceful energy program. the fact is this was a horrible 1-sided deal that should never have been made. >> reporter: the us impose sweeping sanctions on iran. visited decimated iran's economy and led us to where we are today. >> the impetus for iran's aggressive behavior has been the stinging affective maximum pressure of economic sanctions, broad economy. >> reporter: in the past donald
trump said he is open to talks with the iranian regime but this past week he had no plans to exchange messages for donald trump. rob: talking about how different it is since the last came to a point. mark meredith with us, thanks so much. jillian: cory booker, pete buttigieg, elizabeth warning in charleston, south carolina slated to talk about economic policies in the economic alliance for them today and tomorrow. he has the latest that a preview of what they are going to tell us. >> just before today's event beto o'rourke said he supported forming a commission to look at granting reparations to defendants of african slaves.
he made these comments when meeting with the nation, remote coastal community of slave descents who retained their unique dialect and culture. the democratic primary is an important early indicator of the african-american vote. >> the first primary in which the majority of voters are not white. about 2:1 of primary voters in the democratic primary in south carolina are african-american. >> reporter: o'rourke is one of four slated to speak in charleston at a forum sponsored by the black economic alliance, others include cory booker, mayor pete buttigieg and massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. four democrats campaigning in a state that for years has voted solidly red in presidential elections. >> donald trump won south carolina by double-digit margin it will do it again in south carolina.
local chambers of commerce are happy they are spending money at hotels but republicans are not too worried. >> the road to heaven and the white house runs through south carolina. if you don't believe me ask barack obama in 2008 and if you don't believe me again ask hillary clinton in 2016. >> reporter: as we speak, mayor pete buttigieg is leading a protest march a block from here. you can't see them but perhaps you can hear them cheering in the background. jillian: we turn to our democratic political panel, democratic campaign consultant at fox news contributor doug shown and former political director of the georgia democratic party and political analyst and talk radio hosts russia god ritchie. we have do not allow the resume to get any longer. thank you for being with us. to you first. the new lineup announced, we have the purple and orange
group. it is clear that night 2 the purple group is in the lead, joe biden, harris, sanders and buttigieg all in one's income of the top bananas. the only one left out is elizabeth warren. what is your take on that? >> probably good news for elizabeth warren. she has been bold and distinctive in her ideas, she has moved to the far left but her policy prescriptions have struck a responsive chord in iowa and particularly nevada. and the other debate joe biden will have a holding action and for the other 2 or 3 front runners they've got to break through. they need soundbites that in multi-candidate debates are replayed on the news and with 20 odd candidates, 19 candidate in the debates, this is a tough
circumstance so biden and warren are best in position for this process. >> is there an element of warren being left out? with and her team hoping to give her the stage with the top banana so she could show her metal and stand up to biden on a debate stage? >> if i was elizabeth warren, here is why. she gets an opportunity to shine in a way where she could not only other stage. let's be clear this is not going to be a true debate. this will be a quick for him, too many people are participating and you have 5 individuals and in any real debate format, candidates are practicing on zingers that will get repeated by people like myself on talk radio and you. those are the things being prepped with these candidates
and warren is a great place and i can occur with the guests that joe biden is in a holding stage but has to maintain and be a both afraid. jillian: what do you think of dnc polling? do you agree with the lineup, the 20 that are in the, the three that are out, some of the folks who got left out are pretty angry about it and they say the dnc is out of line? >> this is difficult stuff. there is no right and wrong answer. i sort of felt with governor steve bullock not included in a state the democrat has won given its massive red complexion, that is a mistake, but candidly,
having a broad diversity of candidates with 65,000 contributors and 1% in the polls strikes me as largely inclusive rather than exclusive approach and there is one or so injustice. >> something else the dnc is taking heat for with its constituents is a climate debate. a lot of folks, a lot of candidates want to do a climate centric issue specific driven debate. tom perez says no way. what do you think of going on? do you think it will ultimately backfire? a majority of candidates want this. >> you will eventually get to a debate that has that highlighted. the dnc need to allow people to debate on issues of the environment and green energy because that is a debate worth having.
>> they are going to allow the candidates to do this. the issue will be incorporated into some of, not all of the debates but not exclusively allow them to do this. right? >> correct. we will see that happen in the future. this is part of the democratic brand. the environment is something democrats own as an issue that republicans have dropped the ball at. i don't see them avoiding this. this is a good debate for democrats to have. the dnc is playing policy by not allowing it to be a full debate about the environment. jillian: thanks for joining us. happy father's day. leland: all right, new hope for parents accused of bribing college coaches and others to
get children into american elite universities. a judge dealing a blow to prosecutors over new jail time in the first sentencing of the college emissions scandal. adjunct law professor at the great northwestern university, following this story, good to see you, you said lori laughlin was going to go full house to the big house. you still stand by that prophecy? >> i don't and there might be a stop at the out house. this decision by this judge will embolden people like lori laughlin and the other defendants charged to hype these things are the judge made a commonsense decision. he said there isn't a victim here and that is the biggest problem with all these cases. the release and a victim. wealthy parents have been buying their spoiled brat kids into elite universities for 100 years and that seems to be taking
place. leland: if you give $10 million they name a library after you. if you give $100,000 euros felon and deserve to go to jail. what is interesting is the challenges have skated relatively unscathed and untouched in all of this. if parents start fighting this does that change? >> it does. it changes big-time and the worst outcome for these universities is parents fight these cases to and nail, get into discovery and discover like you said that wait a minute, we have people who donated $10 million for a library. they get their kids in but i pay half $1 million and it doesn't work that way. i'm charged with a crime. the universities will have egg on their face. they may be the real victims here.
leland: i had a friend who fits in the philanthropist category saying he remarked shakedown artists don't like competition. does this all of a sudden move out to the point that no longer can you give to a library, to clamp down. and non-explicit quid pro quo. >> the impact will be massive going forward, let us give you $5 million, $10 million for a library, business as usual. and that is a problem, they can buy their kids into university, yale and stanford. >> words is this going terms of this investigation. there had been talk of further arrests? it seems the prosecutors will say we have our hands slapped by the judge or got it handed to us
and there is not a victim. the rest of that sense is why did you bother investigating this? >> reporter: we will see more of these cases pushed forward. the judge in this case said this defendant is the least culpable of any of them. i don't think you can read too much into one sentencing by one of the five judges. it is additional that one judge isn't buying it. lots of publicity. >> they love this case until the judge read him the riot act and they get jail time. >> now prosecutor loves being read the right act by a federal judge, but it is one of 40 defendant so there's more to go. leland: there is more airtime for you, appreciate you taking one of the nice times in chicago and spending it with us. >> any time.
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>> live pictures from st. louis, missouri, the concert celebrating the blues stanley cup victory, took victory over the bruins with a score of 4-1. the rain not deterring the party. jillian: arkansas state police arrested a woman in connection to the death of linda collins. 48-year-old rebecca o'donnell seen here with collins in a facebook picture was taken into custody last night. former communications director says o'donnell worked on the lawmaker's campaign and the two women were friends. criminal charges against o'donnell are pending but now word when she will make her first court appearance.
>> the stage set in pebble beach and a repeat by brooks cavanagh, the 113th u.s. open heading into the weekend play, jim gray on the shores of the pacific, gary woodland in the lead, a little bit of a surprise. >> a big surprise, and you talk about the rain and now raining on the parade and first time since the competition started here. a very light drizzle. it is not expected to get into more than that. it has already commenced off of 245 if you look at the leader board.
dustin rhodes, major championship runner and a former master champion, rory mcelroy adding to this collection of majors and brooks cavanagh, the first man in 114 years to win 3 straight u.s. opens. >> not on the leaderboard list is tiger woods. >> tiger has been out this morning. he took just 25 cuts. yesterday, 32 cuts. he did not get anything to drop. all around -- can't get anything to drop but he has been proficient. tiger's even park, 9 strokes and if you listen to gary woodland,
gary woodland at 133, one shot less than where tiger woods was 19 years ago, a huge gallery with 9, 10, deep so the guy who brings out the big draw, you don't want to say is out of it because he has seen so many miracles, crawling over a lot of people. leland: you talk about frustration, all of us who attempted to play golf know the frustration when you had a couple bad shots and then patrick read when you broke his club over his leg. we have all felt like doing it but to do it on national television at a place with such heritage and honor and such a deep tradition, how is that playing with the fans? >> we live in a society where
people get excited and they move on, it is atrocious but there is frustration of the moment. we have seen guys throw their bags in the water. a masters champion. a bad bad look and doesn't go well for him and a few shots passing, that moment is not a bad life. >> this is pebble beach bringing out frustration and all of it at times. >> thank you. leland: good to see you. jillian: with sarah sanders leaving the white house, who is next up for the job. white house insider matt schlapp has some idea and we will try to get him to tell us coming up
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>> this is the fox news alert. crew members of the norwegian oil tanker that attacked in the gulf of all man landed in dubai after spending two days in iran. the us military has blamed iran for the attack on the ships. tehran still denying all involvement. >> watching that. leland: donald trump at his golf club issuing a warning this morning on twitter about the future of the economy was according to the president the trump economy is having records and a long way up to go but if anyone but me takes over in 2020 i know the competition very well. there will be a market crash the likes of which has not been seen before. keep america great. joined by chairman of the american conservative union matt
schlapp. the trump insider in the inner circle, it is you. don't know if that is a complement, more of a factor. the question is does these kinds of warnings work? >> definitely unconventional for president to say that but what is happening in the democratic party is pretty important. we use to have a centerleft party and center-right party and they would fight it out, democrats win some presidential election, repairs and -- republicans won the others in the democratic party is shifting dramatically in its policy position so barack obama might have governed, he was going to be a third way, they are going -- >> fighting for the left. >> fighting to see how far to the left they go. if you have a socialist become president of the united states our economy will tank.
leland: a lot of people talking about how to move money offshore. brings up an important question. is this a preview how the president will frame the 2020 reelection, doesn't matter who the democrat is he will say they are pro-abortion, socialist, want an open border and is this the preview? >> talking about these issues most of my lifetime and the difference today is you have republican candidates who took a slightly less regulatory position on one side and democrats a more regular position on the other side and more libertine question on abortion but what you have is extreme positions out of democratic candidates. leland: the president became president by staking out an extreme position on immigration. he said build a wall and we will deep or people.
>> i'm not going to disagree with you. it was jarring language after a decade where the whole idea of immigration was to be welcoming and accommodating. most of us, i put myself in the camp, didn't realize the negative effects of illegal immigration. didn't know the seriousness of the problem and it took donald trump coming onstage to make people realize. leland: on that point democrats made fun of donald trump four years ago almost to the day and then there has never been a boring news day. he came down the escalator, talked about building a wall and democrats continued to make fun of him. republicans making fun of democrats for their liberal positions are republicans potentially going to miss the same kind of anger on the other side because donald trump to be president? >> truth isn't relative.
if a candidate has a new idea comes on stage, they have truth on their side, the american people are fair and diligent and over time they will give those ideas a chance unless they are untrue. the problem with socialism is these are not new ideas, they are old ideas, failed ideas that have not worked anywhere. >> are republicans doing a good enough job communicating that? >> know. at the american conservative union, to fight medicare for all -- until people realize the people who paid into medicare and the people who do pay into it will get it. that breaks the bond. leland: in terms of the way the white house, big messaging, sarah sanders leaving now, the
person in the interim, and what they are going to be press secretary. >> i think maybe sean spicer will come back. sean spicer didn't we 10 days. the president has a clear idea, he hasn't read me into that. and in terms of her role of communication. it is a great moment to rethink how they use this position. they haven't had press briefings for a long time. if they don't do on air press briefings -- >> i note you did not rule out your wife taking this job at a different question. >> as a man even though it is father's day weekend when i
opine on my wife's career i get killed on social media. >> does the president need a press secretary? >> he should have a press secretary, doesn't have to have a spokesman but needs to have a press secretary so he can engage with reporters. figuring out what is going on in the radar. the president is his best spokesperson and the people around him follow behind. leland: appreciate you coming in on a saturday. good to see you, thanks. jillian: washington and tehran to hustle over the responsible for the attacks on oil tankers in the gulf of oman two days ago. we will breakdown what military options the pentagon chiefs are weighing now.
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>> a clip from the 1968 romeo and juliet, became a blockbuster hit for baby boomers and made it director, franco zeffirelli, world-famous. severally died today in rome. his other films, taming of the shrew with richard burton and t with mussolini with maggie smith and share which was based partly on his childhood during the 1930s of fascism in italy. franco zeffirelli died at 96 years old. jillian: acting defense
secretary patrick shanahan said yesterday the us is preparing several contingency plans amid growing tensions with iran as donald trump and his team at the white house weighing their options. here to talk about this is president of the middle east institute doctor paul phelan. thanks for being with us. the latest on this is the united states, the pentagon claiming iran shot down a us drone prior to attacking those two oil tankers in the gulf. how big a deal is that drone information coupled with these tanker attacks? >> doesn't add much to the situation. it is a dramatic situation, iran continues to try to interdict through the strait of hormuz which is 60% of the flow of oil, a serious development. the us is quite sure, other countries are on the fence. the us options might include
convoy doing ships providing naval convoys, something the us did in 1980. it is not cheap or easy but something the us can do without escalating. jillian: there are conflicting signals from sources in the white house. people say some advisers are urging the president exercise restraint and the focus should be de-escalation. others are telling the president you should go full steam ahead. this is an unforgivable provocation and the iranian's let the cat out of the bag. >> the us impose economic sanctions and they consider that an act of economic -- they are responding. the us has a number of things it is trying to do, one is to capitalize on the international reaction because of other markets.
the uk has lined up alongside the us and looking for other significant powers to align with the us position, that would be political gain. jillian: who is aligned so far? >> a number of countries in the region, israel certainly. we are waiting to see what other countries particularly in europe, russia and china on the other side. what the us can do with convoy in of ships which is a term of action but does not indicate a major escalation. if iran does an action like this again the us might hit naval bases on the coast but that would be a significant escalation which might create iranian attacks on countries in the region. jillian: if you look out a little bit further what is the end game? the hardware build up, more troops in the region, the president declaring a couple weeks ago iran's military is a terrorist organization.
is this all groundswell building towards some kind of military full-blown military confrontation or is this what the administration says? this is about deterrence? >> according to donald trump the policy of maximum pressure on iran is to get back to the negotiating table and the nuclear issue and raised some other issues like intervention. griff: do you buy that? >> that is what the president would like to see happen but some of his more hawkish advisors like john bolton and mike pompeo have a more aggressive approach and they don't want to drastically weaken iran or go towards creating creations former regime change but it is not very long because everybody is looking to the us presidential election in 2020. the iranian's just want to make it to that date hoping somebody else comes to the white house with a better deal or if donald
trump is reelected they will figure out how to deal with it. jillian: viewers were asked has donald trump in too tough on iran, too tough for about right? important data points. increasing people think he is too tough but increasing number of people also think he's not being tough enough. looks like the trump administration strategy is sending people in divergent directions. >> the country is polarizing among political lines and reflect the case that iran is a complicated issue. president obama tried one approach with negotiation. got a limited nuclear deal in diplomacy but iran and other sectors became even more aggressive, donald trump is trying a more aggressive approach getting serious push back from iran and threats to partners in the region and it is not an easy issue to address and
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>> in the water when i turned and i could see her leg and how bad it was, i grabbed her leg as close as i could, the for moral artery started squeezing, carrying her like this as far as it goes. i wasn't a paramedic, i was a dad. rob: training kicked in for a while. that was charlie winter talking about the shark attack that nearly killed his daughter, 17-year-old page winter lost a leg and several fingers when a shark bit her in north carolina earlier this month. now she says she wants to help those same sharks. jillian: an incredible story, incredible sentiment. this tragic incident is bringing all new public attention to shark attacks. experts tell us there are
several ways to protect yourself and the sharks when waiting into the ocean. joining us is shark attack survivor and conservation advocate krishna thompson. tell us quickly if you can, i know it is quite a story, tell us about the attack you survived a few years ago. >> we went to the bahamas. i saw a shark fin. hurricane barrier off the coast and the water was really rough and murky. when i saw a thin approach we are tried to get away. that the first thing i tried to do. as i tried to move away from the shark, swimming toward the land,
i felt his body graze my interest by and caught my left leg between my knee and my ankle and heard a crunch on to the bone and i couldn't believe it, the opposite direction of where it was trying to swim and the shark took me out to the deep, down into the ocean, shaking me like a ragdoll and i had to snap out of it and start, when it stops shaking me i started to imagine where the shark was on my leg and through one punch in that vicinity and nothing happened. then i tried to feel for its jaws and pry it open and released myself and i could not believe it. i felt so excited, i felt i was mohammed ali and started giving combinations to the nose. jillian: not too bad a spoiler
alert but you survived. not only did you survived but you are thriving. you have become a shark conservationist, welfare advocate for all animals in the ocean. and incredibly moving tale. for those of us who care about animal welfare, who care about human cruelty, preventing cruelty to animals tell us why you took this experience and turned it into something else entirely? >> i love seafood. if you like seafood you want sharks in our ocean. the sharks are an apex predator. they've been around for hundreds of millions of years. their job is to weed out the sick, the week and keep the whole eco-food web balanced. it is very important and that is one of the main reasons i fight for shark conservation.
leland: every year around the start of summer we read about an increase in shark attacks. is that true? is there continuing to be an increase but anytime talk about one shark attack, obviously as traumatic and scary as it is we just hear about it more and more? >> i believe we hear about it more and more. the truth is between 63, and 173 million sharks are killed annually due to their shark fins. if anything we are hunting them. people are more likely to get struck by lightning or drowned before you are attacked by a shark. very rare. leland: important to keep that in mind. thank you for joining us, glad to have you with us. the news continues.
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