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what tomorrow is, big game, matchup at noon, it will be exciting on fox. eric: at yo 4:00 p.m. eastern we'll have more news on the fox news channel. see you in a bit. paul: welcome to "the journal editorial report." i'm paul gigot. contempt resolutions are flying and the rhetoric on impeachment heating up with house speaker nancy pelosi and house judiciary chairman jerry nadler reportedly at odds over opening an official inquiry. the house voted tuesday to empower committee chairs to go to court to enforce subpoenas issued to top current and former trump administration officials including attorney general william barr and former white house counsel, don mcgahn. all this as president trump fueled the democratic fury by saying he would likely listen if a foreign government offered him
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information on a political opponent. >> i think i would listen. there's nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, i think i would want to hear it. >> you want that kind of interference in our l elections. >> not interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. paul: the president told fox he would report it to law enforcement if he thought the information was, quote, incorrect, or badly stated. let's bring in wall street journal columnist, dan henninger and ki kim strassel and bill mcgern. what do you make of the president's statements? >> it was something he should not have said. we don't like foreign governments meddling in our elections. what the russians did with the bots and websites and all of that was not a good thing. so that was a mistake.
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but i wouldn't build it into a mownen the, i think it -- mountain, i think it was more or less a double dribble. the president has to understand he's in re-election mode. every time he makes a mistake like that, his opponents and the press will build it into a crime against humanity, another reason their argument is president trump is unfit to be president of the united states. when he makes mistakes like that, they're going to take out-size importance now that we're in re-election mode. paul: the pushback we heard, democrats criticized it, so did republicans, lindsey graham, he did, and internally most of his ofs icials, fbi directors, a.g.s, they'll ignore it and try to prevent interference in the election. >> i'm with dan. he shouldn't have said it. the people criticizing would have a lot more credibility if they ever won. ask mrs. clinton, was it appropriate for you and your campaign to hire a foreign spy
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using russian disinformation to get an fbi investigation on your opponent? it's a fa fake outrage. i think we'll move on. paul: let's move on to contempt citations in congress. what do you make of all of this? is this something that is serious and going to blot some into a major showdown? >> well, i mean, it's a very serious tool that they're using. unfortunately, they're using it for very unserious purposes, which is politics. you want to reserve contempt for those moments when officials are refusing to give you information that congress legitimately has a right to see. the problem here is that you have jerry nadler, the head of the judiciary committee, elijah cummings, the head of the oversight committee, using contempt to instead create political drama or to attempt to see documents that historically congress has not had a right to see, like privileged
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communications. so right now this is about looking tough on the administration. paul: particularly you wrote a column this week about one of the contempt votes, which is concerning the census against comcommerce isn'tcommerce secre. was this an attempt to influence justices to maybe delay the ruling? >> absolutely it was. again, a misuse of contempt. look, the oversight committee had been working very well with the department of justice, had turned over 1700 pages of documents that they made available. the talks are ongoing. elijah cummings holds bill barr and wilbur ross in contempt. he wants to suggest to the supreme court there is vital information being withheld so the court will put off ruling in the case. this is not a good way to use
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contempt. paul: then we have the showdown, so-called, between jerry nadler, two democrats and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. nadler wants to start an impeachment inquiry for what i think is actually a sound reason in the sense that if you're going to investigate and ask for documents, impeachment is the firmest constitutional ground that congress can have. on the other hand, nancy pelosi trying to protect her members from what could be a very controversial decision. >> yeah, i think there's two strategies going on here. the nadler impeachment strategy which is to consistent try the american public a that the trump presidency is in no way a normal presidency. it's an abnormal presidency. joe biden is running on that strategy. on the other hand, have you nancy pelosi who is speaker of the house, only because so many democratic candidates defeated republican incumbents in the midterm elections. those people are all out there across the united states, places like pennsylvania, texas, in what you could call purple house
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districts. and they're going to be in play in 2020 and i think nancy pelosi is trying to argue most americans don't want to go to impeachment. please try to protect our incumbents in the house. she wants to control the house in 2020. paul: who is going to win this? >> it's sad. i think we could be all losers. i think dan's right. the strategy is to criminalize the presidency. paul: without actually -- >> impeachment's a serious thing. if you want to do this, impeach. the second thing is, they're abusing their article one powers of overnight sight. -- of oversight. the vote for the full house, it was reported as holding barr in contempt. it wasn't. it was a rules change. the rules change makes it sees yesterday for the committee chairman, doesn't require a full house he vote because mrs. pelosi doesn't want the accountability that dan mentioned for those members to have to run on defending these votes for contempt. paul: all right. thank you all.
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when we come back, president trump touts his agreement with mexico suspending history threat, at least for now. but is the continuing trade uncertainty taking an economic toll? >> my deadline is what's up here. we'll figure out the deadline. nobody can quite figure it out. -we bought a house in a neighborhood with a lot of other young couples. then we noticed something...strange. oh, could you, uh, make me a burger? -poof -- you're a burger. [ laughter ] -everyone acts like their parents. -you have a tattoo. -yes. -fun. do you not work? -so, what kind of mower you got, seth? -i don't know. some kid comes over. we pay him to do it. -but it's not all bad. someone even showed us how we can save money by bundling home and auto with progressive. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. but we can protect your home and auto. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. if ywhen you brush or floss, you don't have to choose between healthy gums and strong teeth. complete protection from parodontax has 8 designed benefits for healthy gums and strong teeth.
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so i know if i'm getting a great price. this is how car buying was always meant to be. this is truecar. we would never have had a deal with mexico without imposing tariffs. once the tariffs were imposed, and they've been trying to make this deal with mexico for 20 years, 25 years, but you would never have had that deal if i didn't impose the tariffs and those tariffs were ready to go on monday morning. we have a lot of strength in 45 days, if we decide to use that strength. maybe we will and maybe we won't. paul: that was president trump this week, touting what he is calling a great deal with mexico. the president indefinitely suspended tariffs that were set to take effect monday and giving
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mexico 45 days to prove that it is meeting u.s. demands to stem the flow of migrants heading to the southern border. but did the president's most recent tariff threat come with economic costs and what does it mean for the future of the yea trade agreement? -- usmca trade agreement. let's ask john murphy. welcome to the show. >> great to be here. paul: i'm sure you are relieved and your members are relieved that the tariff threat was lifted. what do you make of the president saying 45 days from now, maybe we will, maybe we won't reimpose them? >> it's true that the situation at the border is a very difficult one and we were delighted to see this agreement reached to see new resources dedicated by the mexicans at their border in guatemala and also both the united states and mexico committing to do more on economic development in central america, where we have the heart of the problem, the drought, the
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lawlessness that's driving people northward. that's real progress. but there's no magic wand. we're going to have to stay on top of the situation. we at the u.s. chamber are going to be working with our mexican private sector partners do do what we can to try to address what we can as well. we hope congress will in the areas of border security and immigration reform also lend its support. paul: here's what i thought. i thought that the fact that the usmca, the revision to the nafta agreement that was struck with mexico and canada, that was supposed to end the threat of unilateral tariffs and suddenly you've got the deal signed, waiting on capitol hill and the president says sorry, i'm going to impose these jun unilaterall. that's something i'm sure you guys don't support. >> it is a challenge. we're working hard to refocus on this initiative, the usmca which the president has called his top legislative priority of the year. it's also for us at the u.s. chamber, it's our top
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legislative priority of the year. work working hard to deliver that message in congress as they need to move forward with the agreement and the assurance and certainty that it will bring. business right now with the tariffs on many fronts and the uncertainty about usmca is struggling to make decisions for the long term about where to invest in bricks and mortar, where to hire and we're hopeful that moving forward on usmca and putting that tariff threat behind us can be a benefit to the economy more broadly. paul: as i look at the economic statistics and the investment statistics, gdp, looks to me like the trade uncertainty is having an impact on investment. is that what you're hearing? it's reducing investment as people delay decisions. is that what you're hearing from your members? >> we are. there's growing concern and surveys are showing this, that companies are holding back on investments. you see it in particular in manufacturing, in the auto sector, which is very dependent on trade.
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the global supply chains that we use to make cars in north america with goods going back and forth across borders, so you saw the second quarter gdp numbers down. you've seen a dip in manufacturing. it's clear the fed is concerned. if you look at the markets, you see industrial -- shares in industrial corporations that depend on trade are -- you can see that worry going on there. so the sooner we can get these tariff concerns behind us and focus on something like usmca, which is going to restore certainty, the better. paul: let's talk about usmca, the political prospects on capitol hill. i hoe you follow it. seems to me you guys have been increasing your tone of optimism that this could pass the house of representatives even though nancy pelosi hasn't made a commitment to bring it to the floor, is that right? >> there are grounds for optimism. the administration in mid-may dropped the tariffs on steel and
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aluminum from canada and mexico. that was a big impediment. that was progress. mexico also passed a landmark labor reform that was another requirement in the agreement and something the democrats were seeking. so there's a number of good news elements going on there. speaker pelosi appointed a number of democrats from across the spectrum of views in the democratic party in the house to negotiate with bob lighthizer. but i think bob lighthizer, he argues quite accurately this is an agreement with bipartisan appeal. there are things in it that republicans will like and things that democrats will like. so right now they are focused on a few narrow issues. these gaps are bridgeable. if we're going to have a bipartisan success this year, i think this is the place where we're going to start where we're going to see it go forward. our message right now is that you can't be pro-business and not be for this agreement. paul: my take right now is that -- what i'm hearing, the votes
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to pass it for a majority are not there yet so it's going to take heavy lifting on both sides and particularly on the business community if you're going to get over the top. i think that's fair. >> it is. and we're going to do whatever it as to get there and that's our message, that members of congress, whatever your party is, you don't get a pass on this one at the end of the day. yes, we need to take the democrats' concerns seriously. there's no jamming that can be done here. but we can bridge these gaps and move forward in a way that everybody can feel good about. paul: john murphy, thanks for being here. appreciate it. when we come back, showdown in iowa, president trump and joe biden square off in that critical caucus state. in a preview of what a general election matchup could look like. >> i'd rather run against i think biden than anybody. i think he's the weakest mentally. ♪ here i go again on my own
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it's a new kind of network. call, visit or go to xfinitymobile.com. the fact is, i said it many times, we can overcome four years of this presidency and it will go down in history as an aberration. but ladies and gentlemen, if he's in the white house for eight years, he's going to forever change and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. this is beyond the issues. i believe that trump poses a fundamental threat to america. paul: that was 2020 democratic frontrunner joe biden taking direct aim at president trump's character at a speech in iowa. both the president and former vice president in that critical caucus state on tuesday in a preview of the themes that could define a general election matchup. we're back with dan henninger,
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kim strassel and james freeman. what did we learn about joe biden and his strategy from his speech this week. >> we learned it's going to be all about trump. that he's going to hit the president very hard and in personalal terms. that's what he did in this speech. he talked about how he was a failure morally, that he did not represent the country on the national standing, that he was a threat to democracy and to the constitution. but we also learned that he's going to very much try to seal this theme of trump from the last election, economic populism. he talked about president trump's tariffs and how it was hurting average americans. this is something the president needs to be aware of and potentially worried about. paul: let's break that down. first, take up the character question. i'm going to assert that i think that's actually a pretty shrewd
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strategy by biden because it goes to the weakness among suburban women in particular about the president's behavior, as president and the concerns that you saw in the last election in the suburbs with some college educated republicans. do you agree with that? >> i don't. because i see this speech as probably more effective in 2015 or 2016. it has the sound of a hillary clinton speech or a lot of the over-heated pundit commentary of the time, saying he's a fundamental threat. we must stop this would-be author tearan from gaining power. now that we've wit lived with hm for a couple years, it's probably going to have less effect on people who are not already committed partisans. it shows biden's weakness that he's pandering to the left. paul: doesn't it help him with the democratic base. it means he doesn't have to talk about the issues that might pull him to the left. >> well, i think this is sort of
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among those cluster of issues like abortion where he's moved left, where the fact that he feels the need to speak to the democratic base i think it shows his weakness and also it undermines the real premise of his candidacy which is i thought he was going to be the moderate voice in the party, maybe a more optimistic voice, maybe one not so obsessed with trump and that's not really the way it's working out. >> that is the plan. the question is, can he sustain it. i mean, you know what's interesting, it's early for sure. but in the opinion polls, the head to heads, biden is not only ahead of trump but bernie sanders and warren and kamala harris are ahead of trump. not by much. what is the reason? as you suggested, biden is way ahead among women voters and obviously that's something that raises this question of whether biden is going to be able to run
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down the center or if you think in the aggregate of all these other candidates which are more left wing, most democrats out there are looking for someone who appeals to left wing values. paul: kim, you mentioned the strayed issue. how -- i was struck by that. i think he went right to iowa, that's where the epicenter of the retaliation by a lot of nations against our tariffs. they've been hurting in terms of their exports, farm exports. and biden went right at this. could we see a real fight in the fall over trade with the democrats kind of reversing what has traditionally in recent times been the protectionism of the democratic party, running against trump as the protectionist. >> well, yeah, on that last point, paul, let's applaud the progress here. it is good to see democrats agree that tariffs are bad for the middle class and bad for americans. that's new. but it's very, very good. but look, i think part of this obviously depends on whether or not the president actually gets
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a deal with china, for instance. the president could turn this around and get a successful deal with china and say, look, this worked and remove the threat of tariffs and quit throwing them out against any country that doesn't do what he wants them to do. then it could potentially not be such a strong issue for biden. but if this trade threat is hanging out over the country going into the fall, yes, i think this is a very powerful issue for democrats because it speaks very much to those people that helped elect trump last time around. paul: james, what do you think of the president's comments about joe biden? do you really believe that he thinks biden is the weakest candidate and the guy he wants to run against? >> hard to say. i think the candidacy of biden so far is less formidable than i expected. he's not making much of a an effort to run to the middle. i think that would have createssed a tougher matchup for
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trump. beyond the tariffs, what we see in the biden message is basically the obama message. heavy taxes and regulation, big subsidies for green energy, obamacare unreformed. so he's basically saying beyond the tariff fight which may go away if trump gets a deal, he's basically saying to the people of the midwest i'm going to restore the obama economy. paul: i know trump can run against that. >> i think he can. paul: do you a agree? >> yes, as long as the american economy doesn't go down under the weights of the tariffs. paul: tongses with iran -- tensions with iran escalate following attacks of two oil tankers in the gulf of oman. general jack keane on what iran is up to and how the u.s. should respond. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this?
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administration should respond to the provocation. general jack keane is a strategic analyst. general, great to have you here again. do you have any doubt that it is iran that is behind these two attacks? >> oh, there's no doubt whatsoever. i believe they're behind the four other tankers that were also sabotaged and this is clearly a strategy of theirs. they believe the diplomacy of the united states which is crippling their economy, they want that to stop and they want the international community to put pressure on the united states to back off. that's what this is all about. it's a page out of what they do in the late 1980s. paul: just on that point you're saying if they create enough mayhem, if they look like they can disrupt when they want global oil markets, they're hoping the europeans and japanese and other people will turn around and blame the united states for these military actions? is that the calculation?
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>> that is absolutely their calculation. the trump administration is not going to give in to that. what we've got to take a look at right now is sharing the intelligence we have with our allies in the region and also with our friends, the europeans, many of whom still want to help out the iranians and we're painfully aware of. and two, shore up that alliance and discuss with them some of the actions that are in front of us that are likely to take place as we continue down this path with the iranians. paul: well, are the europeans and the japanese likely to bend here? i know that we want -- we basically cut off the iranian oil exports and shinzo abe was in tehran sort of offering his service as something of a mediator between the u.s. and japan. are they likely to bend if there is a big surge in oil prices? >> i don't know. i mean, europeans certainly, their behavior has been strange
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because they're still in the jcpoa, i understand that, and they're trying to work out a special funding deal and trading deal with the iranians that avoids using the american dollar. whether that's going to work or not remains to be seen. the japanese were clearly up-staged. i think they're very much in support of us and i believe they will continue to support trump's policy of coersive diplomacy. we have to you lay out what we think is going to happen here. paul: what is going to happen here? what do you think? where does this go if iran decides to escalate? >> well, first of all, i think what we need to do is begin to escort the ships. we did that in 1987 and '88 and it was done successfully. we have to be prepared for the iranians to take some action. when the iranians attack one of the re-flagged u.s. ships, a merchant ship in 1987, it was a
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kuwaiti owned ship that we re-flagged. reagan ordered an attack on two oil play platforms. in 1988 the u.s. was he's sorting all the shipping through the straits of hormuz and the gulf of oman and one of our ships hit a minefield. that is an attack. as a result of that, reagan ordered an attack on two more oil platforms and also on the revolutionary guard's naval station bases. that ended the crisis. paul: you're suggesting that if this does escalate into that kind of action -- first of all, let's make sure that we're escorting the shim ships, and s, if they attack, the president has to be prepared for a measured but forceful attack on iranian assets. >> yes. and i think it's a false choice when people suggest that it's either go to war with iran or stand down.
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that makes no sense to me. that's the same nonsense a that was proposed during the obama administration. it was either all-out wall, 150,000 troops on the ground or do nothing. so here there's things in between that you can do. and measured military action has a form of diplomacy all its own because it enhances the state department coordination that they're doing with the iranians and possibly bringing them back to the negotiating table. obviously there's a space between detens deterrence and provocation and we see this measured action as deterrence. the enemy may see it as provocation. i do admit that. i do think that measured deliberate military action to make certain the iranians understand there is resolve here and we're not backing down. it's the only thing they truly understand. rhetoric doesn't make any sense to them whatsoever. and they lie through their teeth as they're lying right now and
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we have to be prepared to face some type of military action if the iranians continue to escalate which i think they likely will do. paul: well, only have about 25 seconds, general. do you think that the iranians really -- they don't want a full scale war with the united states. we can do a lot of damage to them. and just through the naval assets, has nothing to do with taking any territory in iran. >> we have more troops in the area now, obviously, than we had in the late 1980s but the iranians do not want war with the united states. that ends their regime. they know that. i think we can take -- i don't think we -- i don't want to take even the measured military action but i think the iranians will invite us to do that. if we do that, i think it will help to shut the crisis down. paul: thanks so much for that very interesting perspective. still ahead, violent clashes in hong kong as protesters take to the streets in opposition to a controversial extradition bill.
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businessmen are nervous corrupt chinese officials will use this to shake people down. journalists are afraid. lawyers, book sellers, anyone realizes this is a threat. at the same time, you've seen record numbers turning out to protest and the hope is that hong kong legislature will back down. paul: this is not just opposition by young people coming out, as young people often do, this is not just protests from certain classes. this is a broad -- am i fair to conclude, this is a broad-based, middle class opposition to this bill. >> reporter: yeah, you're absolutely right. on sunday, one in seven people turned up to protest. today i was talking to an older woman who said she's only done something political twice in her life, showed up in 1997 to protest the british handover of hong kong to china and this is the second time in her life that she's showing up to protest. i think people from all walks of life see this as a threat to their freedom. paul: has carrie lamb,
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appointed by china, has she shown any signs of backing down or being willing to compromise here? >> reporter: well, since wednesday's protests, she's been pretty much off the radar. nobody really knows what she's thinking. today there were some reports that pro-beijing lawmakers are saying let's figure out a way to postpone this, let's figure out a way to delay it and the hope of many hong kongers is that that indicates they're looking for a way to back away while saving face. paul: there are thousands of americans in hong kong as well. what does the american business community think? there's hundreds of millions of dollars invested in hong kong. if you don't have the protection of the british legal system anymore, then could you see some capital flights and human talent fleeing hong kong? >> reporter: absolutely. rule of law has made this city what it is. so i think everybody's afraid of
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what's going to happen. business certainly, this is a place that's famous for its free markets. if china replaces its judicial system, takes over that independence, that rule of law is gone. paul: what is going to happen? i know there's another big demonstration planned for some point on sunday. is that something that is -- i mean, is this just going to continue or could it peter out if the people -- if the government just rams through this extradition treaty? or bill? >> reporter: it's a weird situation right now. i think you've got the sense that hong kong legislature, carrie lamb is not going to back down. you've got a sense that beijing is not going to back down. and at the same time every protester i've talked to has said they're not going to back down, they're willing to put their lives on the line to fight against this. so something's got to give. the concern is that we certainly saw escalating police violence on wednesday, 150 canisters of tear gas fired into the crowd,
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use of rubber bullets quite a few injuries. the concern is if beijing and hong kong legislature choose to double down on this, there's going to be a lot of bloodshed. paul: bill, you have lived in hong kong, as have i, many years ago, for many years. why should we care about what happens in hong kong? >> well, first of all, looking at the scenes, someone that lived there 10 years, i never saw police like that, never saw the shields. this looks like selma or south africa. the u.s. has a lot of interests there. just cold-blooded interest in terms of investment, a lot of the investment in hong kong is the linchpin of investment to china. the american chamber of commerce has questioned the bill and so has the council general. there's a lot of u.s. interest in sake and a lot of -- at stake and a lot of u.s. citizens that
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are there. >> and the fact that we have allys in that region that are watching to see which way this goes. are they going to allow hong kong to be sucked up into china. i think the white house needs to put out a forceful statement in opposition to what's going on. japan, south korea, indonesia, malaysia, they're all watching to see what happens here. and they have got to make their own calculations, based on whether the united states is going to show resistance. paul: we have 30 seconds. what do you think the impact would be if the statement that dan talked about from donald trump, if there were a forceful statement on behalf of the hong kong independence and current legal system? >> well, i've been asking that all day to both protesters and pro-democracy legislatures. they say if trump makes a strong statement, that's not only going to influence how beijing and how hong kong think about this, it's going to give a lot of curing to protesters who feel like they need american moral support. paul: thank you very much.
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we must recognize that in the 21st century in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, economic rights are human rights. [clapping] >> and that is what i mean by democratic socialism. paul: that was vermont senator bernie sanders this week, mounting a deagainst of democratic -- defense of democratic socialism, arguing it's wheezwhat's needed to win e
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house. he's hoping to shore yo up suppt in a crowded democratic field. is that a smart move. james, what do you make of sanders' defense of socialism? >> well, it was a full-on unrepeunrepentant karl marxist . politicians generally try to distance themselves from radical fantasies they indulged as college kids. bernie has not evolved at all. he's promising a revolutionary change to american life. he's moved that party so far to the left, he has to differentiate himself. paul: here's counter point. he didn't invoke some other countries. he didn't invoke the history around the world of socialism. he pointed to fdr, to truman, to
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lbj, to democratic history in this country to say this is not radical, ladies and gentlemen, this is just something we've always gone through. what's your response to that? >> i think that's smart. >> i think he wants to put himself in the american context because he wants to change the subject or have people ignore all of the kind words essayed over the years -- he's said over the years about foreign tyrants who embrace socialism, whether it's daniel ortega or admiring commentary on the former soviet union. he wants to try to put himself in the sort of democratic traditional mainstream. >> i'm going to make a prediction here. i think bernie sanders is going to fade after this speech and elizabeth warren's going to rise. paul: why? >> why is that? in bernie's world there is no role somewhat swerve for the private sector, no discussion of the private sector in that speech. i'm not saying he's a communist. there is something com communisc
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about his vision of the american system. elizabeth warren wants to reform capitalism. that's what she says she wants to do i think she's more in a space that most americans can associate with. they're not going to throw over the private sector in the united states. bernie doesn't recognize that part of the american system. that's why warren is beginning to move ahead of bernie sanders in some of the polls. paul: what do you think about bernie's appeal? say what you will about his ideas, and i oppose almost all of them. there is a certain authenticity about his when he says, look, this is what socialism is, this is what i want to do and this is about economic justice. is there -- that's part of his appeal. >> yeah, well, dan makes a really important point, if you looked closely at the elizabeth warren and the bernie sanders candidacies, they were very
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different when it came to this specific question. that being said, i think that there is an appeal to bernie's brand of this because it uses this one word often, which is free. and he's talking about free health care, free education, a living wage, free housing, free everything and for a certain type of american out there, that is an appealing message. in particular, a lot of the snow flakes that are at colleges. so bernie sanders, i think he's definitely -- this speech i think laid that out even more clearly. but you know, he's also getting knocked a little bit, i should point out by true fro dres progs on the left that pointed out it was a disingenuous speech. he went out of his way to not mention ortagus, madura, suggested author --
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paul: he should have distanced himself from those people. >> the authenticity isn't there. like all marxists, the way he talked about political opponents successful people in the country, political adversaries, they're oligarchs, racist, author tearans, a dishonest attack on americans. paul: can it sell in this economy? >> i don't think so. what bernie is selling is alien to the american experience. >> no need for a job guarantee. paul: we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. [music playing] (michelle) i know what it's like to be in a financially struggling family. we had a lot of leftovers...[chuckles] i couldn't have asked for better parents, but like most people they didn't have anyone to teach them the best financial habits. so we changed that.
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paul: time now for our hits and misses of the week. kim, start us off. >> so, with apologies to bernie, a miss to the liberal
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authoritarians in colorado who are again suing jack phillips, the owner of the masterpiece cake shop. mr. phillips was sued for not making a cake to celebrate a gay wedding. he's being sued for not making a cake to celebrate a gender transition. his case went to the supreme court. they found the civil rights commission in colorado discriminated against his views. problem whetheproblem with the t enough they don't agree with your opinion, they don't want you to have that opinion at all. paul: james? >> a had hit to the teams who delivered to their fans, the st. louis blues and toronto raptors and the blues we have to thank them because they spared all the people in this city from having to observe another boston championship. paul: great for the raptors as well. bill. >> hit to retired army staff sergeant david belavia. he's going to receive the medal of honor for actions on his
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29th birthday about 15 years ago. his men were trapped inside a house that included heavily armed insurgents. he went room by room, killed the insurgents and saved all his men. he becomes the first living recipient of the medal of honor from the iraq war. paul: dan. >> i'm giving a miss to new jersey. new jersey is often in the bottom of many surveys. paul: way too easy. >> it can get worse. they came in first in one survey, the number of people leaving the state. united van lines reported that more people are leaving new jersey last year than any other state, most retirees, trying to get out before the roof caves in with public pension costs. it's vacated because of liberal politicians who don't care. paul: the laughter came from two new jerseyians. if you have a hit or miss, tweet
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it to us. that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel. thanks to all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot. we hope to see you all right here, next week. eric: we have news fast-breaking developments in the middle east. iran has released the crew members of the ship that came under attack in the gulf of oman. what the sailors were told arriving in dubai earlier today, this comes as president trump steps up the pressure on tehran, saying he has no doubt that regime was behind those attacks on the two tankers near the strait of hormuz. hello, welcome to a brand-new hour of america's news headquarters, i'm eric shawn with jillian. gillian: i'm jillian. you had me back for a second hour. i will take that as a win. i'm in for arthel n neville. patrick shanahan calling for international consensus against