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81. happy birthday. jedediah: have a great day, see you next week. bye, everyone. [laughter] ed: i was waiting for that. ♪ ♪ maria: good sunday morning, everyone, thanks so much for joining us, i'm maria bartiromo. straight ahead on "sunday morning futures," two influential republican lawmakers on breaking developments overseas and here at home. house armed services committee member mike turner on what new sanctions president trump might have in mind for iran that are supposed to go into effect tomorrow. this as national security adviser john bolton warns tehran not to confuse -- [inaudible] for weakness. also devin nuñes weighing in on the president's decision to delay mass deportations for two weeks to see if congress can strike a deal on asylum and
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security issues at the southern border. plus, the congressman tells us about the letter he sent to fbi director concerning fisa abuse. that letter went out on friday. also former congressman trey gowdy on the latest of attorney general william barr's investigation. plus, china expert jonathan ward back with us previewing the high stakes meeting next week between president trump and president xi, just days from now at the g20 summit. all that coming up and a lot more right here, right now, "sunday morning futures." ♪ ♪ maria: president trump is keeping up the pressure on iran and saying the u.s. will impose further sanctions on tehran beginning tomorrow. he added that military action is still on the tables just days after calling off retaliatory strikes against iran following the downing of a drone.
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the president tweeted: iran cannot have nuclear weapons. under the terrible obama plan, they would have been on their way to nuke it is in a number of years. we are putting major additional sanctions on iran on monday. i look forward to day that sanctions come off iran and they become a productive and prosperous nation again. the sooner, the better, the president wrote. national security adviser john bolton had a warning for iran, meanwhile. while meeting with benjamin netanyahu in jerusalem. watch. >> no one has granted them a hunting license in the middle east. as president trump said on friday, our military is rebuilt, new and ready to go, and as he made clear yesterday referring to his earlier remarks, the president said i just stopped the strike from going forward at this time. maria: joining me now is congressman mike turner, ranking member of the house armed
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services subcommittee. congressman, it's great to have you on the program this morning, thanks so much. so tell us, first, about your reaction to president's response here to iran. how serious is this threat? >> well, i think it's very serious. as you know, maria, these sanctions would come on top of the maximum pressure campaign as outlined by secretary pompeo to insure that iran never gets a nuclear weapon. as you were describing, the iran nuclear deal was flawed in that it had insufficient inspection regime, it had a limited period of time for some of the critical components and also didn't include miss sills. this administration's also identified iran's malign activities in yemen, syria, iraq in support of hezbollah and hamas as issues of concern. now that we have the attacks on the tanker and the drones, the tankers and the drone, this is the administration stepping up and saying through additional sanctions they're going to continue to impact iran and its economy and its ability to do harm to others. maria: so what will these
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additional sanctions put into place tomorrow be? i mean, how will that impact the economy there further? >> well, the economy in iran is reeling already from the sanctions that have been put in place before as part of the maximum pressure campaign. the international monetary fund indicates that iran's economy this year is projected to contract 5, 6%. secretary pompeo has signaled previously some additional areas of sanctions that the united states ought to look at would, of course, be oil exports. that goes right to heart of really the engine of iran's economy. but with iran's new announcement that it's going to increase uranium enrichment, it is probably likely facing additional sanctions from europeans as the european leaders are beginning to discuss what sanctions they would put on iran if they step out of the iran nuclear deal and begin enriching uranium to a higher level. maria: well, i think you hit on probably one of the most important points. does the president have the alliance of other countries in order to really put the maximum pressure on iran? that's really key, isn't it?
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aren't you still seeing europeans buy oil or try to buy oil from iran? >> yes, but they're doing so with the united states providing waivers and additional, you know, exceptions to existing sanctions. the united states' ability to provide sanctions are really all-pervasive, and that's why you're seeing such a huge impact on iran's current economy. the europeans do not really have an ability to sidestep those. they've already been announcing how it impacted their ability to do business with iran, but if iran does as they're threatening increase enrichment of uranium past the threshold set forth in the nuclear deal, iranians are likely to be facing additional sanctions from europe in addition to those of the united states which would, to of course, be more crippling. maria: which would you expect those additional sanctions from european countries? that's what i'm trying to understand better, whether or not the u.s. has european allies on its side for this. because while they say they are,
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they're still using those waivers to buy oil. >> well, and -- but they're doing so, again, with the united states providing those exceptions. maria: right. >> secretary pompeo has said we're going to be closing those loopholes and making it more difficult for anyone to violate u.s. sanctions which really, again, are all-pervasive. but i think the europeans themselves may step up and impose their own sanctions if iran talks about breaking the nuclear deal. but in looking at european reactions to american sanctions, they don't have very many places to go. that's why we're seeing the maximum pressure campaign impact iran so much. this is the goal, of course, to bring them to table so we can renegotiate the nuclear deal, get one that's lasting and insures iran never becomes a nuclear power. maria: very good. now, this is one of the world's biggest potential opportunities for oil and gas, right? i mean, in iran -- this country has an enormous portfolio of oil and gas, and yet they're not developing as much as they could because they're using their
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efforts and energies instead to support terrorism. >> exactly. and secretary pompeo has said we all look forward to a time when iran becomes a normal nation in the community of nations in the world. as they support hamas and the palestinian authority, threatening our ally israel, hezbollah in lebanon and their activities in syria, their activities in iraq, they're a threat to saudi arabia with their destabilizing efforts in yemen, they really are the destabilizing force in the middle east which makes it difficult for them to join the world economy as an equal partner. maria: how significant has the conversation of a military strike been as it relates to iran? i mean, obviously, this president doesn't want to go to war, but is that the only leverage after all of these sanctions to have some kind of a military situation? >> well, i think the president has said and certainly secretary pompeo has said all options are on the table which includes a military response and,
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certainly, to extent that iran has increased its military attacks both on tankers and u.s. drones, we might see in the future the need for a military response. i think it's great that the president showed restraint as a result of the downing of the u.s. drone. but what the president is making clear both with the buildup in the area and with his planning for action is the president would not hesitate to use military force. now, in congress the debate right now is from the democrats in the house is how to restrict the president to take his options off the table. the house just last week voting to repeal if the 2001 authorization of use of force against al-qaeda and isis, and the week before debating an amendment that would have restricted the ability to even defend israel if iran should attack them. so -- maria: go ahead. >> this is an area that's going to continue to be debated in the house. maria: and the president has lots of different voices in the room to advise him on this issue. yesterday he said he likes having people like national
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security adviser john bolton who he described as a hawk and others who have different positions. watch this. >> he's doing a very good job, but he takes generally a tough posture. i have other people who don't take that posture. but the only one that matters is me, because i'll listen to everybody. and i want people on both sides. having people on both sides, to me, is very important. maria: so where is the president on this, in your view, in terms of the potential military answer? >> well, i think he's in the right place, and that is both he has very strict sanctions in place, he's increasing those, he's working with our european allies, and he's calling for iran to come to table so that we can renegotiate the nuclear deal to insure there is no nuclear iran. and also very clearly calling out the dangerous, malign activities of iran that are destabilizing in the middle east, calling on them to, of course, you know, end their dangerous military actions that has resulted in the tanker attacks and the done attack. so he's giving them both an out
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at the same time he's putting on pressure and indicating he's willing to use military force if necessary. maria: and these provocations from iran are simply the result of them being upset that the president -- that the u.s. is cutting iran off from the rest of the world and upset that the u.s. pulled out of the deal, the nuclear deal. >> well, you know, we can't really know iran's intent other than the fact that, obvious, as our adversary they continue to chant death to america and death to israel, but they have a long history of actions. as you recall just a few years ago, they actually captured navy vessels of the united states and held our service members. so they have continued to have, i think, very dangerous, threatening actions within the area. maria: congressman, good to have you on the program. thank you so much. >> thank you. maria: coming up, devin nuñes, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. he'll tell us about being in the situation room last week at the white house when top lawmakers got the briefing on iran. also, the california republican on president trump's decision to delay deporting illegal immigrants for two weeks to give congress a chance to fix
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president. joining me right now is republican congressman devin nuñes who sits on the house ways and means committee. congressman, always a pleasure to see you. thank so much for joining us. >> thank you, maria. maria: you're in california where we have a wall that separates tijuana and san diego. what's your reaction to president's move to wait two weeks to see if the democrats actually approach this issue? >> well, the president is growing in office, right? he knows that he can't do it by himself, and i think what he's doing is the democrats asked him if he would delay this. he's saying, okay, i'll give you two weeks. now remember, the democrats have been in office for six months now, they have yet to move a comprehensive immigration bill. and i think that's what the american people need to focus on, is the people that they elect have responsibilities to pass legislation. they can't just oppose what the president wants to do because, as you know, you've been at the border, you know that it's a disaster down there. it is a humanitarian crisis, and this is a problem that could
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easily be fixed if we wanted to do it. maria: you're right. when we were at the border, seeing those children being, you know, mowed around by people and showing up sick, it was actually such a crisis and so obviously a crisis when we were at the border. why aren't your colleagues addressing this? do you think anything can get done, first, within this two weeks that the president is giving them to attack these loopholes or just all year? >> the truth is, maria, they don't want to get anything done. the democrats use the race bait. they're only using this for identity politics. so they're going to people of hispanic descent, and then they're saying all of you guys, we're helping all of you. the republicans are bad, trump is bad. they're trying to demonize trump. if you watch the language and the rhetoric that comes from the left, it's scary really. and, you know, hopefully over time people of hispanic descent
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will understand that the democrats are only using them. they're not actually trying to help them. if they were trying to help them, they would have passed a bill already. i mean, they've got plenty of votes. they could do a bill that would have border security, they could put in some permit systems, they could take care of all the kids that were brought here by no fault of their own. and by the way, those are all things that donald trump wants to do too, it's that donald trump says, hey, i'll do all of that, but i also want to have a wall so that we have long-term, lasting security on our southern border. maria: so go through these loopholes and tell us specifically what needs to be changed, because i know that there's one loophole that basically is catch and release, we catch you at the border, and we process it, and we have to let you out. not to mention the fact that the detention centers are all overwhelmed, there's not another seat in the house for anybody. >> yeah. of so the easiest way, in my opinion, to fix all of this is that you put in a permit system.
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so you put in a system where if somebody is employing you, you have to, you have to actually file with the government what's called e-verify. finish it's a voluntary program now, it's worked really, really well. and, or you know, that means if everybody was certified by the government, that everybody working for you is, in fact, here on a legal permit, that in the long run is great. now, you can't is have that without a permit system because everyone knows in this country we've got millions of people that are here on either expired permits, or they never had a permit in the first place. it's important for us to have workers in this country that want to do jobs that, in many cases, are quite skilled, right? whether it's working in agriculture which now is really, you need technology, you need people who know how to drive complicated equipment all the way to really smart people that are developing the next generation using math and science and developing the next
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generation of computer technology. we want all these people to be in the country, we want them to be on a permit system. and if you do that along with the wall, you take care of the people that are here, it's really an easy solution, and i don't want to act like it's easier than it is, but compare the technology today allows us to do it because we've already proven that this e-verify system works with people who have voluntarily been taking part in it. maria: now, we already let in, what, a million people a year in a legal way. they go through the process, get the green card, etc. then we also have on the illegal side of the ledger a million apprehensions we're talking about likely this year. that's what vice president mike pence told me just a couple of weeks ago. is so, i mean, do they think that it's okay to just have a million people coming in every year in an illegal way and just continuing to flood the country without any accountability? i mean, what is the answer when you raise all of this?
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>> it goes to what i said. there's only one answer. the answer is, is that they don't care about these people. they're not trying to solve the problem. they are using identity politics because they want to say if you're of hispanic descent in this country, vote for us, the democrats. that's all they're trying to do. and how do we know that? because they're really just taking advantage of these people, and we know it because they don't have a bill. maria: yeah. >> they have no legislation. they have nothing. they're in control, they've got plenty of votes. they don't even need a republican vote to pass this. all of them claim that they're going to give amnesty to all of them. so, you know, i don't think the president would actually sign that, but at least they should have a bill. maria: all right. let's take a short break. this is extraordinary, congressman. a lot more with congressman nuñess this morning including the letter he sent frizz friday friday -- he sent friday to fbi investigator christopher wray, plus the deadlines to when he expects answers. also ahead, trey gowdy is
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maria: welcome back. the ranking reon the house intelligence committee wants to get to bottom of the carter page warrant. he sent a letter reviewing the origins of the russia investigation. john thurm requesting records the bureau received that undermines christopher steele's credibility. of i'm back now with congressman nuñes to talk more about that letter he sent. tell me about what specifically you are waiting on, congressman,
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in terms of this letter that you sent to christopher wray on friday. >> well, we've learned in the last month that there was information that the number two person in the european affairs department of the state department -- and if you recall, we've long been looking at the state department looking for any information the state department had on christopher steele or anything involved in this russia hoax. so that information we now know that the government had that in 2016. so the state department, in october of 2016, e-mails went to fbi saying things like that christopher steele was not believable, that he wanted to, he wanted to bring this out before the election. that should be a big red flag. also said that the so-called russia hoax, the operation against trump with trump, that trump was a part of, was being run out of the russian consulate
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in miami. well, it ends up, guess what? there is no russian consulate in miami. so this number two person at the state department informed the fbi of these concerns. now, why is that important? it's important for a number of reasons, but first and foremost, the fisa court should have had this. the fbi had it, the fisa court should have had it before they went and spied on the trump campaign by getting a warrant on carter page. another reason why this is important for the fbi is because the congress, under republican control last time, asked for the anything and everything on christopher steele. cheerily, if we would have -- clearly, if we would have had this two and a half years ago when we started this investigation, we would be in a much different place today than we are. maria: yeah. >> so, because this is clearly obstructing a congressional investigation. so someone at the fbi determined to hide this information, not provide it to court, and what i'm concerned about is not provide it to u.s. congress. so they have til friday to get
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it to us, and if they don't, we will make our ninth criminal referral. basically, we won't know exactly who at the fbi obstructed justice, but -- durham or the department of justice should be able to figure it out because there's e-mails that went around, and somebody decided not to give it to congress. maria: yeah. we're looking right now at the information that you requested from director wray, and you write in the letter the date that the fbi was informed about the transmission of information from kathleen kavalec including the information now known as the steele dossier. she was the number two person at the fbi -- at the state department in europe, and she basically raises her hand, raises a red flag about the steele dossier. she does her due diligence. she says, look, this is not trustworthy, christopher steele's work is not credible, and that memo from kavalec is
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not shown to fisa court. this was excull a pa story evidence that was not included. do you think that the fisa judge may have reacted differentlied had he known that there were state department people who were saying this information is not credible rather than just handing over a warrant to wiretap on carter page? >> i think all americans should be furious at this, right? so on one hand, we now know for sure that someone at the fbi kept this from the court. number two,ing they also kept this from congressional investigators, meaning the republicans that have been investigating this for two and a half years. and this is really important information. and, you know, i think a lot of times americans are just becoming tone deaf to this because it's just like one grenade after another. it's, like, how many times do we have to see this russia hoax, how bad it was and how really what you see -- i think the only way to define this, maria, is we have people that are possessed
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in this country, that continue to perpetuate this russia hoax. whether it's ignoring important information like in that kavalec had, whether it's continuing to say, oh, my gosh, bringing in hope hicks and pretend that something really was wrong here, that trump really was colluding with russians. i mean, there's no evidence of this, right? the only thing they had on russians was the steele dossier, right? those are their russians. guess what? they're fake? they're phony, they're russians that only the democrats knew about. m you just can't make this up. so i don't know of a better term to use than you have the democrats in this city, in washington, d.c., the media for the most part, 90% of them are possessed individuals. maria: yeah. >> and the sad part about it is they have a responsibility. they are poisoning and have been poisoning the minds of americans, millions of americans
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for two and a half years now, and the worst is they're not stopping. maria: right. >> they're not stopping, and that's the concern. maria: no, you're right. i mean, now hollywood's getting involveed as well, you know? robert deniro's going absolutely lunatic on everybody with this stuff too. we've covered this a lot. do you think -- what does your gut tell you? did they just make it up? i mean, did they just -- they knew russia was trying to undermine the west for decades, and they just inserted donald trump in there? >> well, i think it gets to heart -- let me just get to heart of what we have yet to answer that i hope the department of justice can answer under the u.s. attorney out of connecticut, and that is this: there were two parallel operations that were running at the same time that the i believe started in late 2015, early 2016. one is the fbi was running an investigation into the trump campaign. not in july of '16 like they said, they're lying about that.
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it clearly starts in 2015 or early 2016. at the same time, you have the clinton campaign and the democratic party running an operation having their bag men, fusion gps, they're both running an investigation on a parallel track. the thing that we don't know that we need to get to bottom of is when did those tracks become one and the same. when, you know, were there people that were working together with the fbi and fusion gps and the clinton campaign? we know they, we know at some point they knew about christopher steele. my guess is they knew this a long -- early on in the process, probably at least january, february, march of 2016 -- maria: yeah. >> and so think about that. it's banana republic stuff. it's stuff that you only see in countries that we would never want to live in. maria: yeah. >> where the intelligence outer works with a political party and puts the other campaign under investigation -- maria: unbelievable. >> -- for the very thing that they're doing.
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maria: yeah, unbelievable. it's so extraordinary which is why i agree with you, everybody on both sides of the aisle should be outraged. we'll take a short break. when we come back, i know you were in the situation room last week when top lawmakers received a briefing on iran as new sanctions are going into effect tomorrow. and you're suing certain media companies, we'll talk about that. well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate... and be better protected from mayhem... like me. ♪ what you need and so much more. at wayfair, you'll find just you get to spend less time searching and more time loving every room, even the ones you never thought could look good.
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iran -- and also i want to get your thoughts on china -- let me ask you about your lawsuits against media. you have sued twitter as well as mcclatchy. tell us about that. >> well, the twitter one is important, we start the discovery process tomorrow the, so we will be sending out a bunch of subpoenas and asking for information from all the folks that were involved in allowing twitter to not only develop content, but also shadow ban me so your viewers and americans couldn't see my tweets for a period of time. we don't even know how long. so i'm very worried about this for the next election whether -- i call them tech oligarchs, it always seems like most of the time it's the conservatives that get kicked off, and you can't see our platforms, or you can't see us on their platform where the left, they get away with murder. is so that's this discovery process on twitter starts tomorrow and, of course, we have more lawsuits that are on the way. and i hate to be having to do this, but it's really the only
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way that this can, that this problem can be fixed. because if we don't, conservatives, i think, are going to be doomed in future elections because all of these tech companies are against us u. and i think republicans and conservatives across the country need to understand this is and need to take action now. the only remedy we have is the court. maria: are you concerned that twitter will try to influence the election in 2020 by doing whatever they can, like shadow banning -- >> maria, they're already doing it. maria: yeah. >> they're already doing it. i mean, it's clear what they've done to me is ridiculous, what they continue to do to others. you see people getting kicked off of twitter for nothing. you see the same thing happening at facebook. 90 plus percent of all the searches go through google. we know that google's been actually blocking e-mails from going out. so, look, there's going to be a number -- maria: is that illegal? is it illegal, congressman? >> well, it's, it depends on if there's, if you can prove it in court, right?
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so it takes people that are willing to step up and take these companies on, which i'm willing to do not because i want to do it, but because it has to be done. because in the long run, we can't compete with, if social media's totally against the conservatives and the republican party. maria: they say they're not media companies. do you want to see legislation that puts them under the umbrella of media companies? >> look, i think the courts -- i mean, what we're saying is, is that twitter and these companies, they're content developers. you know, they claim to be, okay, we're just an open public square, we treat everybody equally. well, they don't treat everybody equally. it's not even close. and so what i want is i want my day in court to go before a judge and a jury to explain how it is that twitter treats conservatives differently than the left. maria: okay. >> and maybe, perhaps if they have to pay and if we have to open you are their books and look at all their algorithms, maybe we can fix that.
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if not, maybe they have to be broken apart. i don't know what to do. maria: and i know you have a court date for the end of august on this. >> that's correct. maria: let me ask you about iran because the president says he's going to put new sanctions on iran tomorrow. you were in the situation room, you got the briefing on iran. what can you tell us? >> well, the thing that i thought was important to take away from that is this was the first time in my time being involved in national security issues that the president of the united states, right, and i've served under i guess now three presidents, george w. bush, barack obama and now donald trump. he brought in all the leaders from house and senate that are on not only the national security committees, but the leadership of both houses of both parties. and he talked to us. he talked to all of us. and i think's what you want to see in a leader. i don't remember that happening at all in the last administration. so i'm excited about how this president is growing, how he wants to work with democrats and
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republicans. and, look, he doesn't want to go to war, and i think it's important for him to work with the congress to make good decisions. and at the end of the day, he's the guy who is the leader. but we want to make sure that he has the support of the american people and the congress behind him if he's going to take any actions against -- maria: does he have the international community's support? do we have allies against iran? >> yeah, and that's the other thing that he can take this time to do. he decided not to do a small, a small strike. he's now, i think, going to put on sanctions tomorrow, additional sanctions. hopefully, he can bring more allies onboard to support our, to support going against the iranian regime. because at the end of the day i can tell you this -- maria: all right. >> -- president trump is not going to allow the iranian regime to get a nuclear weapon. maria: congressman, great to have you on the program this morning. thanks so much. >> thank you. maria: meanwhile, the road to white house winds through south
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carolina this weekend. nearly the entire field of the 2020 democratic presidential contenders gathering in the palmetto state making a pitch to voters. peter doocy is live in south carolina this morning. was there much talk about the president's decision to call off i.c.e. raids this weekend? >> reporter: yes, there was, maria, and that's because immigration is maybe the number one issue where democrats diverge with president trump the most sharply. >> who knows what he's going to do, what he's certainly attempting to accomplish is to distract us from the fact that there are kids today in el paso in border patrol detention centers sleeping on cold concrete with aluminum foil blankets in the dirtiest, most inhumane conditions. that's under this administration. >> reporter: o'rourke has seen his poll numbers plummet, but he has some of the largest and loudest support at the south carolina democratic convention
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yesterday along with kamala harris, cory booker and bernie sanders. maria? maria: how much did convention-goers hear about iran? i'm wondering if the issue, the important issues that we're talking about are also being talked about at this gathering. >> reporter: it wasn't at the top of the list of candidate pitches, but they decide did hear a fair amount, convention-goers did hear a fair amount about iran because these democrats are trying to warn against conflict. >> at this third way meeting, i was called, quote, an existential threat to democratic party. now, why am i an existential threat? maybe it's because we're going to take on the military industrial complex and end, and
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end endless wars in this country and not get into a war in iran! >> reporter: the front-runner, joe biden, was there too. at one point a reporter approached him to ask about the relationship between the u.s. and japan, which gave me an opportunity to follow up with a question about the u.s. and iran. what about u.s. and iran? >> shouldn't be there. >> reporter: to hear joe biden suggest that the relationship between the u.s. and iran shouldn't be there is somewhat surprising because it was obama/biden administration that negotiated the much-discussed iran deal. biden went home to prep for the first debate later on this week, and we don't know yet if anybody in the top tier that's going to share the stage with him will challenge him directly. if this weekend is any indication, they might not because at a fish fry on friday and then at two separate candidate forum-style events here yesterday that went all
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day, none of the other candidates were, the primary on the democratic side used their time on the stage to number one biden. maria: interesting. peter, thank you. peter doocy in south carolina this morning. trey gowdy on attorney general barr next up looking at how intelligence agencies determined the kremlin favor ifed trump over -- favored trump over hillary clinton. we'll take a look at that. vingsd i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today.
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maria: attorney general william barr's review of the origins of the russia investigation reportedly shifting focus to how intelligence agencies determined that moscow intervened in the 2016 presidential election in an effort to help then-candidate donald trump. i want to bring in former congressman trey gowdy, former chairman of the house oversight committee and member of the house judiciary committee. he's also a former prosecutor and fox news contributor. always a pleasure to see you, thanks for being here. >> yes, ma'am if, thank you. maria: so what is your reaction to this news that, you know, the
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democrats keep saying that russia wanted donald trump to win, and now william barr is looking into it. is that the right track? >> it's entirely appropriate, and, you know, i think some people would tell you russia wanted her to lose and then in a binary choice, by default, that means he must win. the intelligence community's always really skittish when people look at their work product, you know? they don't deal in evidence, they don't deal in evidentiary burdens or thresholds, they deal in assessments. and, maria, you and i can think of some famous examples in the past where their assessments were wrong. so i've got a lot of respect for the intelligence community, but no one is above oversight and review and scrutiny. and if barr wants to look at the evidentiary foundations for this counterintelligence investigation, he should. maria: yeah, especially since michael morrell, who was the deputy director of the cia during the obama administration, says that john durham's interest in speaking to the cia is
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inappropriate. >> yeah. that's what they always say. i mean, remember the weapons of mass destruction in iraq and then remember the spontaneous reaction to an anti-muslim video in libya. that's what he told us then, you can't interview the analysts. it'll have a chilling effect. okay, then quit using intelligence products in your criminal justice analysis. if you don't want to supply your analysis to your intelligence work, then quit using it. i think what we're going to find in 2016 is the intelligence community was providing information to law enforcement that then went into this investigation where some democrats are calling for donald trump to be in prison. so you can't have it both ways. you can't have a lower standard of scrutiny but still get your information put into the criminal justice realm. it doesn't work that way. maria: and yet there was some information that actually wasn't presented to the powers that be
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that were making important decisions. you just heard your former colleague, devin nuñes, he sent a letter to head of the fbi on friday saying how come we never saw the kathleen kavalec notes where she said christopher steele's information is not to be trusted? >> yeah, you have her assessment, but you also have the fbi's own assessment of christopher steele as a source. have you ever seen that? have you ever seen the fbi's internal analysis of whether christopher steele was reliable? have you seen the paperwork where he was defrocked as a source because he couldn't follow fbi rules and regulations? have you seen the exculpatory information as it relates to george papadopoulos? here's one, maria, have you seen the disparate, offensive debriefings that they gave candidate clinton versus candidate trump, and has anyone asked the fbi to explain why they took entirely different tracks with those two
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debriefings. there's a lot left to be seen by you and your viewers. maria: yeah. and you mentioned something the last time you were with us, let's take a short break. more with trey gowdy when we come back. stay with us. everyone's got to listen to mom.
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maria: and i'm back with trey gowdy. trey, the last time you joined us we were talking about the informants that the fbi used to entrap certain people potentially like george papadopoulos, and you said that there were certain transcripts that had the potential to persuade people should they be made public. now, i know that the president has given the authority to william barr to declassify certain documents, but can you talk to us a bit more about those transcripts that have the power to persuade? what exactly are we looking for? what's most damning?
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>> well, i think anytime law enforcement talks to a target or a potential target, they're either going to record that conversation or they're going to monitor it in realtime and take notes. some of us have seen transcripts of those conversations. and i was supportive of mueller, i was support i of the idea to initiate, to investigate what russia did, but when i saw this transcript, it actually changed my perspective. because you want to think of law enforcement as being unbiased and disinterested in the outcome as long as we just find the facts. but when you have information that someone you think has done something wrong has, in fact, not done something wrong, when you have exculpatory information and you don't share it with others and then you put that together with strzok and page and the defensive briefings, remember, maria, the defense of comey and the media and the
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democrats has always been, yeah, some of the fbi was biased against trump, and it didn't matter. this really matters. when you have exculpatory information and you don't share it with the court, when you give two different kinds of defensive briefings to candidates depending on who you like and who you don't, then you're biased. that's what what i thought when i saw the transcript, but your viewers should be entitled to make up their own minds. maria: that was not presented to the fisa court when they tried to get the warrants to surveil trump campaign members like carter page. would the fisa judge have acted differently? >> well, we'll never know, but i know this having been a prosecutor, when you have exculpatory information, something that tends to show the person didn't do what you think they may have done, you have a constitutional obligation to turn that information over to other side -- maria: wow. >> it is not the job of the
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united states government to just get convictions. maria: of course. >> we have a responsibility to be fair. maria: great to see you, sir. thanks so much. >> yes, ma'am, thank you. maria: that'll do it for "sunday morning futures," i'm maria bartiromo. i'll see you tomorrow on fox business. with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? since my dvt blood clot i was thinking... could there be another around the corner? or could it turn out differently? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot... almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another.
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