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♪ remarkable show. ♪ 15 years ago this day, the ♪ inspiration of a nation when ♪ a man stepped on the moon. ♪ >> there are four of us i ♪ think you can call us a ♪ squad. ♪ we will be back tomorrow. ♪ have a great saturday ♪ everybody! >> okay think fast! which is hotter, tranquility based on the moon or times square in new york? where neil armstrong and buzz aldrin walked 50 years ago today is not about 260 degrees. but closing on in triple digits in the big apple were they remembering that lunar stroll today. as we look back to the last time we talked to all of three
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of the apollo 11 astronauts about that day. then a rear chat with the second man that walked on the moon, buzz aldrin, what was going through his head that day. >> small step for neil, giant leap for everyone else. for me it was a magnificent tribute. through all of humanity.>> you also hear from his crewmates circling above them. the command module michael collins. then the men who guided their mission safely back to earth, jean krantz. then the niece of president john f. kennedy, kathleen kennedy on her uncles dream that was realized that day. but first, cape canaveral where it all started. and where phil keating says, they are going all out. rick: hi there neil! in about 90 minutes another vice president onboard air force to will and here on the runway used by the space shuttles when they glided back to earth, and early afternoon around 1 o'clock. vice president mike pence as well as the nasa administrator will have an event at the neil armstrong operations facility.
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that is where they will pay tribute to the 50th anniversary and everyone that it took and the tens of thousands of people who all made apollo 11 happened. 650 million earthlings all around the world watched on their primitive televisions that day. kneeled to the screen as the eagle ended as neil armstrong and buzz aldrin climbed out, walked on the moon, planted a u.s. flag and accomplish what humans for centuries has only fantasized about doing. here is buzz aldrin 10 years ago. >> apollo 11 was about exploration. about taking risks for great rewards. in science and engineering. about setting ambitious goals before the world. >> neil armstrong died seven years ago. leaving just buzz aldrin and the command module pilot, michael collins to honor by president trump yesterday at
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the white house. in 1969 they fulfill the nasa stated goal in the space race with the soviets. it was short, perform a manned lunar landing and return. and they did. here in the space coast is been a huge week of festivities including the black-tie gala featuring moonwalk of charlie duke, collins, mark kelly and neilarmstrong' son. even a concert here at the rocket garden by durand durand. an amazing synchronized drone show and yes, her name was real . and they will talk about returning to the moon on this big 50th anniversary. they hope to do that, the trump administration, in five years, the year 2024. the artemis mission. >> thank you very much. not to new york city where families are invited to take one small step in a unique way. fox business network tracy with more on that. reporter: good morning. this event was supposed to be held outside in times square. but because of the extreme heat
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it was brought inside to the marriott marquis hotel. you can see behind you there is a presentation going on with some students. but the aldrin family foundation turned the marriott marquis hotel into tranquility base, the apollo 11 landing site. families, lots of kids could spend all day here celebrating, learning about the historic event with a number of educational activities. if you've ever wondered what it's like to walk on the menu can stand on a mosaic. also pictures of the new york city children school system there interacting stations and displays, giant maps even some screens were they are showing some space educational videos. they will be showing the moon landing later this afternoon. simultaneously here and in london. a meet and greet with real-life shuttle astronauts. i wanted to bring in one of
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them. his name is winston scott. i want to ask you, how important is it to celebrate a historic event like this and how does it inspire the future generation of space explorers? a. >> of course it is very important that we celebrate this event because putting a man on the moon 50 years it was probably the greatest technological feat ever accomplished in the history of the earth. it's a wonderful thing to celebrate and it is important to celebrate because it is a point of inspiration for the newest, the young generation. that generation is our future. and of course want to ensure a bright future. we have to incite these kids about science, technology, engineering and math. >> and the founder of this said the goal is to capture the spirit and give thousands the opportunity to put themselves in the place were only 12 men have gone before.
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and to show the historic moment. just like people did 50 years more live look you can see absolutely event is bringing together people like they did just 50 years ago. back to. >> thank you tracy very much! after the president was urged to lift the space program back into orbit. the second man to walk on the moon, buzz aldrin. >> buzz aldrin, and honored to have you how are you feeling? >> i am feeling wonderful! you know an ache here there, bone cramps and so forth. >> you had a chance to be with the president of the united states in the oval office. looks like you are talking to each other. i know you are pushing the space escalation thing in a big way. but particularly morris. was that what that was about? >> well, i think mike collins is for going direct to mars. maybe i was a couple of years ago until i realized just how many things we really have to work out including international partners.
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others to have to pay for it. but the fueling and all of these sort of things are so necessary to have worked out. ahead of time before we go to mars. >> in other words you do not think one country can do it all. this is such an ambitious undertaking to go to mars. and such an expensive one. it makes the whole lunar thing pale by comparison. right? >> i think we need to build up an alliance and since we have been marking time for 10 or 15 years, i would call it the next step space alliance. of the capable space agencies and commercial activities that can make up the capability to carry out things like the moon and mars. >> one of the things of those
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loved about you is that you speak your mind. probably that was best illustrated when you ran into, all these people with conspiracy theories see the whole thing was a fake and a fraud. i want to share this with your audience you know this very well. when you encounter a guess as to where you just had enough. i think this is from 2000. take a look.>> you said you walked on the moon when you didn't. calling the kettle black. misrepresented -- >> get away from me. you are a coward and a liar. [laughter] >> i should explain. i do not know why i'm laughing but it was funny. you just would not -- you clocked the guy. whatever happened to that guy? >> i don't know, i think he was banned from quite a few other interviews. [laughter] >> i think he is working at cnn actually. i'm kidding! what's interesting, anda lot of people said that and i'm just wondering , 50 years later.
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forget about people who think it didn't happen. there are a lot of people that forget it did. what do you tell young kids? there is a survey assay that says very few want to be(s) these days. part of that i can understand because like you say we been almost on a man and a space hiatus in last 10 or 15 years or so. does that concern you? >> it concerns me that we haven't been able to keep the momentum going. we are into one program and then another. and just recently, the past 10 years we have not been able to really put up an american into our own space station. , ever since the shuttle was taken out of commission. >> do you worry that others are more than happy to fill in this you know the chinese are going in a big way. we report certainly, india, russia has always been there. but some of the new, new
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zealand, even luxembourg. what do you think of that? >> i just came from luxembourg. they are eager but i think they want to finance things. and it is fine with me. but i think there will always be a leadership, a direction, knowledge, and drive. and enthusiasm in the united states. it may not reach out to the -- but that is what i think the five decades of apollo are about. to rekindle the enthusiasm. for just what we were able to put together 50 years ago, piece by piece. reacting to sputnik, nasa, and programs leading up to the steps that carried out apollo
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so successfully. >> people forget how concerned a lot of folks were when you and neil were going to walk on the moon. it sank in, that maybe you would never get it off or that michael collins would be flying back alone. and now you hear these reports that richard nixon, the president at the time, was all set with alternatives if something happened to you guys. what was that like when you first stepped on the moon? what were you thinking? >> is one small step for man. one giant leap for mankind. >> well, you know the quoted words. magnificent. a magnificent thing. small step for neil, giant leap for everyone else. but for me it was a magnificent
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tribute through all of humanity and especially to the united states. to be able to carry out this sort of a challenge. and yet as i looked around, nothing could be more desolate than the moon. >> ever marie said that, it was so quiet and i know that you are out there a while but your impression of the whole world was watching you but it was just the two of you, so alone. how did that feel? >> we were pretty busy. >> you, you were! >> looking to see, they are exhausted, but had not done damage around the spacecraft. and then neil was picking up some rocks and i decided the boot print was just so spectacularly precise that i took a before and after. and then it still looked a little lonesome so i put my foot down and move the boot a little bit.
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so you can see the boot print and boot. >> they called you the best of the photographers on the moon. of the dozen that walked there. when you look at the moon today, buzz, what goes through your head? >> i'll try and locate just where we were. a couple degrees north 224 degrees west. but we are concerned now about the far side near the south pole. there is a basin where it looks like a good bit of impact previously could have left ice crystals, were then in the shadow of the sun coming up and at low angles. so they have not seen the sun in millions of years and the ice crystals are still there so that means we can melt that, that is water. water is hydrogen oxygen and that is rocket fuel.
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>> i see! >> that is the resource of the moon. >> that is what you are trying to tell the president. you are not only a -- >> we have a lot of work to do and we are in their charging right to the bitter end! >> i know, make sure that you do not clock us. okay? [laughter] be well, buzz aldrin. >> thank you. >> whatever happened to that guy, right? just clocked him. not as hot as the moon but we will tell you how hot it is here. and the apollo 11 anniversary. we will find out more from jean krantz after this. your strategies and answer all your toughest questions. call for a strategy gut check with td ameritrade.
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degrees on the surface of the
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moon as we speak. almost feeling like that in new york city. and to those of country. we have our meteorologist outside, right now it is a cool 91 but it will get a lot hotter isn't it? >> it is we will push about 100 degrees in new york city today. and it is also humid. probably the hottest day of the year. hopefully it will be the hottest day of the summer but it has been baking essentially central plains. one spot in iowa yesterday had a heat index of 119.just incredibly hot. the corn actually, transpiration is caused moisture released and it makes it extra humid so they are dealing with that. in minneapolis, you are done with the heat. some storms moved through, annapolis felt like 115.table felix 60s because there are storms moving through. it would be a nice break from
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the heat the break eventually does make its way for everyone across the east. we still have a little bit to go this is today's heat index. parts of kansas, iowa, chicago, still very hot. heat build across much of the east. we start to see the break a little bit more tomorrow. much of iowa and nebraska cooldown. the eastern seaboard, this is what you look like today feeling like 110 in dc. tomorrow is another hot one. then we start to see the break. what you are looking at is actual air temperatures. the heat still across the central plains, it breaks a little touring and look at what happens monday. monday, tuesday and wednesday of next week temperatures below average for this time of year. we get a really nice break coming up but we have to get to the weekend. it will be dangerous check in on loved ones, the elderly, take care of the pets and anyone who has heat related illnesses. just to get through the weekend. >> i'm glad that we put you outside, some people thought it would be a nicer idea to have you inside and air conditioning. >> you got it. >> a great job my friend.
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the president's approval rating stuck at 50 percent but what if i tell you as things stand now the same thing happens, he wins another election, not by the popular vote but by extending his gains in the electoral vot . we will explain.
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>> all right, the heat thing will be a theme of the show welcome back everyone, it is on in washington as the president and congress woman go back and forth to one another. our fox news correspondent ellison barber is traveling with the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. obviously, these kind of things, fundraising all come together. reporter: yes, the president
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has mentioned the squad a number of times in the last 24 hours. he brought it up in the oval office on twitter and on the south lawn. [inaudible] >> if you go back into the four congresswomen the things they said about the country are terrible. what they have said about israel are just terrible. when people are angry at them i fully understand that. reporter: the president is on twitter this morning drawing attention to this controversial moment in the campaign rally in north carolina. it does not look like we have it but you can see part of the tweet. he tweeted that along with a video of the crowd chanting at his rally in north carolina. president trump writing as you can see it did nothing to lead people on. nor was i particularly happy with their chant. just a very big and patriotic crowd. i waswhen they were chanting se
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her back. they did not join in he did not cheer him but did nothing to stop it. there was an obvious moment after big game he paused and let it continue for that is what led to criticism. the president bringing it up again this morning. both the president and the squad talking about this in terms of 2020. both seeing this as a moment on something they can campaign on heading into the elections. >> thank you very much. we will speak with the president, but in the meantime all this going down as the new york times reports there is a possibility the 2016 election could play out exactly as it did in 2020. only this time, the president wins by a bigger margin. in the electoral vote and loses by a bigger margin in the popular vote. that has never happened in
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back-to-back elections. it gets a little in the weeds but the possibility alone has raised eyebrows. nathan rubin is here city councilman joe briley and trump 2020 advisory board member jenna ellis, a win is a win. our structure is such with the electoral vote the winner is the winner. but if it plays out again, what do you think? >> i think exactly what the founders intended. we have to understand that the national popular vote while it is a very interesting conversation people have to understand the original design of electoral college and they have the delegates in the states making sure that the president and the electoral college while they say the electoral vote is one person one vote it doesn't work out that way when you look at the states and population density and other states. >> do you feel that way if he were to win the popular vote and lose the popular?
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>> absolutely. i think coming from colorado i don't want california and new york to control the vote. >> the name of the game is winning the electoral college. certain people do matter. if democratic party despite being told over and over again to change their message to get out of the east and west coast bubbles, to speak to regular americans and states that have economic distress, and different types of problems, and they don't do it is their own fault not the republican party. >> but the goal was for the popular vote. >> certainly. >> i want to jump in. to an extent they're both right. the electoral college is functioning exactly by design. it doesn't mean that it is not flawed. this is a legacy institute in in 1787, the second constitutional convention.
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in the constitution it was written that black americans were 3/5 of people, senators were elected by state legislature, to assume that things don't change of the course of 220 or 250 years, we can adapt -- >> we can have a conversation but we cannot do is have state legislatures who are trying to pass a national popular initiative they that they can unilaterally amend -- >> were getting into the weeds a little but i think the system is what the system is. if you want to overturn and get the legislators to do that and congress it's a big leap but you can do it. i'm wondering how do democrats counter that? the study goes into great detail like with the states, the president is showing like wisconsin, a bigger margin approval rating then at the time in 2016. hence that he beats up his electoral vote count even as you know, democrats are beefing up the popular vote numbers in new york and california. how did democrats counter that? >> i think an extent, we need to take stock of the reality in which we live. it is great to be idealistic but we will not change rules before the 2020 election.
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>> they have to live in those states. >> right.and i think something like this, especially looking at the latest. i think people are starting to be turned off on the extremes and think a more recent or more moderate candidate who is a little calmer, someone like pete buttigieg from the rust belt could be a way forward to win back the voters are leaving the democratic party. >> take laura kelly. someone who beat someone in a red state, someone associated with president trump. she did not use the aoc playbook, she didn't use the rashida tlaib playbook. what would concern me as a republican is over democrats strike the car and did not follow the squad and follow the new progressive wave. >> you these four progressives, they are the ones dictating, the president is cleverly using them to illustrate the point. they speak for all democrats. we should point out that 40 democrats who conquered the house and tipped it to democrats, were mostly moderate.
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but these four are the ones the president is trying to depict as the democratic party. >> well yeah, aunt nancy pelosi and democrats are rallying around them so they are going through an identity crisis. they go to sit where moderate or go extreme progressive left? this is where the presidents message and what is campaigning on his pro-american. democrats have a commode any platform other than anti-trump. that won't help them in 2020 and it certainly will not help them in the reality of the electoral college. jesus personality neil this would be like saying that just the yardage matters. it doesn't. we know that the score and only the touchdowns that you get, that's what ultimately matters per the president is being very tactful, going through the touchdowns. the democrats are going to yardage and they are not actually getting. >> can i jump in there? i want to call something a. very cleverly slipped and how the president is pro-american and democrats are not. i know love democrats to all of
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the country and are all patriotic. and number two. let me finish. even while the feud was going on nancy pelosi and democrats tasked a raise a wage bill. anyone making less than $15 an hour full-time with the bill would elevate their wages. >> but is fundamentally anti-american. it's against capitalism -- if you look at that and you look at what is going on in america, the capitalist system, the minimum wage -- >> i don't want to get into that. do you think the president knowing these numbers and that you know, he is a good chance to do what he did in 2016, everyone will pounce on him and say he lost the popular vote again. he would -- even though he would win fair and square based on the system the way it is. would democrats just -- chris we just had a policy debate which we are not hearing because the argument in 2020 is going to be about how people view does the public view america? do democrats want to be boxed into a foxhole with ilhan omar
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and rashida tlaib? that is was happening. you hear policy debates by minimum wage will hear president trump framing is a cultural battle between him and everyone -- >> we do have policy debates. >> sometimes! >> this will generate a lot of news. just this discussion. in the meantime, the mean landing, gene kranz was an instrument of player in all that not only apollo 11 but apollo 13. what interests me about gene kranz what happened when they were seconds away scrapping the landing. ta ke care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today. and but how do i know ifor life. i'm i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car so i know if i'm getting a great price. this is how car buying was always meant to be.
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i might die? >> we thought our chances were about 10 percent. >> did you really? >> yes. we realized we sought oxygen escaping that things could get really bad. >> you in particular, captain, sounded so at ease. if it were me, i am 2000 miles from home, i am not feeling optimistic. but what went through your mind? >> a lot of people said, you didn't understand the situation. [laughter] >> imagine at the time saying the crew and me getting back to work. 90 percent not. ultimately would make it home
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safely and apollo 13. meniscus had instrumental some of the most flexor space history there was flight director for apollo 13 and apollo 11, john we know from the exact same room where 50 years ago, he oversaw the moon landing. gene kranz joins us right now. what an honor, thank you for joining us. >> it is really great to be with you this morning. in the historic mission control. >> indeed, you made a lot of great memories possible. we all know about apollo 13 and what it took to get those men back but i didn't realize i guess in retrospect how close and i -- had dice the landing was they said a bunch of boulders were supposed to land and fuel is quickly running out and we have to find another place to land. you could have aborted it right then and there. >> i believe that they, the landing was a challenge all the way down.
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problems with communication, navigation problems, computer program alarms, you had to get the data into the computer. as we got closer to the ground we got to the lower level of the spacecraft and from then on my control team started -- they were seconds of fuel remaining. then later 30 seconds. very shortly about the time they said 50 we recognize that they were in the process of shutting down the engine. >> how much fuel really was left? we are told it was down to seconds. you had to make a decision. >> it was to the best of our knowledge and mission control, it was 17 seconds after the fact looking at the data during mission that failed we had another 10 seconds on top of that. it was less than 30 seconds. >> you know apollo 13 if you don't mind, i did not realize that at least you know in the view of jim lovell, he was very
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confident come here his colleagues to get back to earth. they escorted 10 percent. and i never heard prior to the interview the odds that low he was very kind about it. everything seemed to indicate their relatively calm through that. i don't know how you were doing at the same time back on earth but that was a real dicey one. >> during the mission, the white house constantly kept asking what are the odds of bringing them back? and i said we are getting home. there's no question i was going to get my crew home. one of the los angeles papers called me the optimist. >> i was led to this quote, it feels like you are a conductor of a great symphony getting ready for the end finale. it's really a big production. >> well, in mission control, there's someone else a point we feel this crescendo that some event is about to happen. and it happened twice during the lunar landing. the first one was about the
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time we had set up for the injection maneuver to bring it down to the lower altitude. and the second time is when i gave them the go to start the power dissent. >> tell me a little about apollo 11 the astronauts. great respect for each and all. you made a comment that buzz aldrin could be a little problematic. and probably not getting exactly right. what did you mean? >> basically, he was a very intelligent individual and basically always tried to have the team with mission control. i had him as a spacecraft communicator in my first mission both neil and buzz. it was a question of keeping them corralled and my job is to let the team provide the answers. whether the people are just observers in the room. >> looking back at i know that you have dealt with these kind of questions but the timing of the apollo in 1967 it looked like the entire space program
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here was imploding. and yet, two and half years later we are on the moon. how did that happen? >> there was really, it was a challenge of leadership. we were fortunate in those days to have a very capable media. and basically they would come through world war ii and the korean war and basically these are the guys that were asking the right questions. they were telling the story of space to the world at large. and it was very helpful. we had a supportive congress so it was really a question that all we had to do is to pick a direction and start moving. in fact, we were back on the way to the moon in november when we lost the first saturn five. >> you know is really always and when john kennedy made a famous speech, for the decade so in question which decade are we talking about? and he says this one of course. it's crazy because of the time
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we were way behind. so be it. a lot of our rockets were not fully leaving the launchpad. what kind of pressure was that for guys like you and to deliver the goods? >> we were really struggling in the early days. at the time present kennedy made a speech, it'd been orbiting over the nation for four years. basically, greg arian had flown and when we launched it was the first real what i would say victory. in the early space program. basically, were able to get him up into a ballistic mission but we'd never been to orbit. so they challenge, it was not really just to go to the moon but to beat the russians to it. >> do you want to go back? >> i would love to. in fact i hoped that summer in
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my lifetime i would say it again. now i hope that my children will see americans back on the moon. >> it could happen sooner than we think, gene kranz, it is an honor. thank you for making this possible. >> thank you very much, sir. >> will have more reflection from michael collins, the niece of john f. kennedy on that impossible dream that turned very possible after all premium tensions rising in the middle east. iran is seizing a british oil tanker, not letting it go in the strait of hormuz. the iranians sang as our area, our water. we disagree. it's racquetball time. (thumps) ugh! carl, does your firm offer a satisfaction guarantee? like schwab does. guarantee? (splash) carl, can you remind me what you've invested my money in? it's complicated. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is being managed? if not, talk to schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.
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if not, talk to schwab. it's nice. ♪ you got this! ♪ woo! ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i think there is a possible opening that iran would sign an agreement saying they will not develop a nuclear weapon ever. that would be huge breakthrough. i think president trump is one of the few people who actually could get that deal. and he will get it because he is strong.he shows maximum pressure but also willing to talk. >> rand is a friend of mine. he asked me if he could get involved. the answer is yes. >> rand paul is involved.
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he's talking to the reigning foreign minister about trying to cool tensions but they've gotten more tense. british officials earlier calling out a run for seizing the british tanker ship in the strait of hormuz. and they claim the water is there is not international waters. the same week the president says the u.s. took at meridian, they also say that's not one of our drones. and the back-and-forth continues. retired air force general joining us now. leaving aside who is saying what here, the iranians are upping the ante. i wonder, at what pressure that puts on the international community? >> good morning. what i will tell you is, he is increased hostile acts on part of the iranians, it's quite friendly not unexpected.they are trying to go the united states and more recently, the united kingdom. to take military action in response to their acts. for three principal reasons.
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first i want to drive a wedge between the united states and the other members of the iranian deal. second, they like to increase the internal politics and interstates between the administration and the democrats. finally, they would like to distract their own iranian population from focusing on the iranian leadership, but focusing on external actors. but what i tell you is yesterday, by seizing the uk tanker, they really shot themselves in the foot. because he had a group of nations, the uk, germany and france. trying to help iran come back into the international community and they actually showed themselves for what they are. not interested in doing so. i think the u.s. strategy of maximum pressure backed up my credible military force.
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is working. >> and the response of emmanuel macron in france, he was throwing up his hands more or less saying you are not making our job any easier here.they must know that. >> yeah, but i have to tell you, we tend to think that, we tend to mirror image sometimes. and think that the iranian leadership act in a rational format like the community of a piece living nation might. but they don't. and frankly, if you go back and look at some of the statements that they have made in conjunction with some of their actions, it is not a very coherent policy. that is part of the problem. >> now, the next issue is not so much our response but britain's response. right? for this tanker issue. one tanker was supposedly released, the other is still held. what do you think? >> you know it is hard to say. i believe that the uk will act in a restrained manner to not
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get pulled into the kind of trap that iran has been trying to pull the united states. leadership in the uk has stated that they will make an appropriate response and that we will just have to see exactly what that is. >> general david deptula thank you very much. and thank you for your credible service to this country. >> that is kind of you, have a great day. >> apollo 11 made history on this date but it really would not have been possible without all of these hard-working men and women that you see in all of these famous pictures of mission control, back at the space center. we will check in with them after this. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost.
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you're all beingcongratulated at the white house today with the hero label ? >> i guess we don't think of it that way. we just think as people, we were given extra nerve opportunities and extraordinary times and we are very grateful to have had that. >> all right, those lifetime all three were together to talk to the press. i was honored to have the opportunity. i think i had a better to pay-- 50th anniversary of the moon landing, including what's going on at the johnson space center is sort of the epicenter of all of it. we are there with the very latest. hi casey! reporter: hi neil, what's up? we've been given unprecedented access to this room. and they just spoke with mr. gene kranz attestation but welcome to nasa's mission operations control room. this is the nerve center of the apollo 11 mission in addition
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to a number of others. but this was decommissioned in the early 90s, this space and then it was just restored, in fact, $5 million facelift just completed to bring it back to its original state. what is so interesting about this was all depends and styrofoam cups and coffee cups and ashtrays and flight manuals. everything you see here is exactly as it was during the mission. in fact we understand it was this painstaking process to go through all sorts of photographs to make sure that it was 100 percent accurate. and i have got to say when we walked into the room earlier, we all got chills. to literally be standing in the middle of where history was made. and so, this is an area that folks can get a chance to see if they come to johnson space center here down in houston.
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there is a gallery right behind our camera, if you and gallery were family members and members of the press would be able to kind of look in at what was going on here in the main room. but again, this is just something that you just don't see every day. and it is unprecedented access that we have been given here. to celebrate this momentous occasion. neil, i'm afraid unfortunately i have lost my earpiece i cannot hear you but i would toss it back to you. all day long on fox news we will bring your reports from here and tell you about some of the fascinating history we are learning as we celebrate this momentous occasion in history. >> awesome assignment, in the meantime jfk was pushing the space program despite a lot of early failures. his knees, she is with us, the oldest child of the late robert f kennedy.
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>> all right. we're celebrating the 50-year anniversary of man landing on the moon. 10% of the moon trying to get you an idea. 260 degrees. at night the other way, minus 260 degrees, but about the hot part of that, we're going to look at a high in this part of the country, it's 260 degrees or feel like that, gripping heatwave, hitting about two out of three americans across the country right now. so this is big. and outside of the studios, we said bring her inside. man, oh, man, how is it there? >> it's not quite so bad now, about you the new yorkers
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feels-like supposed to right 111 degrees today, a lot hotter than it is right now. city officials are warning people not to go outside and ordered tall office buildings to raise temperatures to avoid a blackout. more than 200 million americans across the u.s. will experience heat indexes over 100 degrees. high humidity and air quality are adding to the risk. in new york city, this he canceled the ozzie fest, and with soccer star megan rapinoe and john legend. the mayor says they cannot take any chances. a times square commemoration of t the astronauts, and the marathon are also off. >> people aren't used to it. it's a rare occurrence to get to this level, a heat index over 110, again, that's going this feel like over 110 degrees.
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it's pretty shocking to the body. >> city officials are also asking residents to be careful with electricity, suggesting they set thermostats to 78 many degrees, and limit appliance use through tomorrow night to avoid another blackout like happened in manhattan last weekend. just last night though, computer glitch snarled seven subway lines for 90 minutes at rush hour leaving commuters stuck in trains and also on swampy platforms in 90 degree heat because of a network communications issue. while transit officials say the stolt stoppage was not related to electricity demand, it's a taste of what could happen this weekend. >> ridiculous. they want to keep raising the prices and stuff like this happens so unfortunate for good new yorkers. >> the mayor is encouraging folks to check on their neighbors and if you need to, escape to one of the cooling centers because this is the beginning of what is going to be a very hot weekend, neil. neil: all right, i've been
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training for that triathlon, i guess it will have to be another event. why are people at home laughing? why are you laughing? people are not the only ones feeling this heat. so are utilities which means you're going to feel the heat. look no further than last weekend as she was pointing out and threw new york into utter chaos. it was in the 80's at that time and now we're expecting over 100. what can we expect phil flynn. phil, what do you think? >> i think we are going to challenge our infrastructure unlike anything in years, neil. we're hearing from the utilities around the country that say that they're prepared for this, but they're prepared for the worst as well. here in illinois, commonwealth edison, prices are going to-- the temperatures are going to head over 114 degrees. that's what it's going to feel like, the heat index today. are saying that they'll have extra crews on hand and they will be working extra hours to respond to any possible power
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outages. and already, we've had some power outages across the country. some say it's because of the heat, some say it's because of the aging infrastructure. madison, wisconsin had a major fire in one of their stations and knocked out power, which was extremely dangerous to those residents. now, they say it wasn't directly related to the heat, it was a fire in a station, but at the end of the day, probably that fire was made worse by the hot temperatures. across the country we're in different cities as well that are saying, you know, stay cool. even mayor deblasio saying maybe a good way to stay cool is take a bath, you know, keep your air conditioner out and take a bath and we can keep the lights on. that's good advice for new york and maybe in chicago we'll take the same advice. neil: this is a family show, but the image can only go so far. . >> that's right. neil: stay cool. phil flynn one of the best at following the markets and ignore
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the bath analogy. i don't know if my next guest will recommend that, she knows how to keep cool and handle this carefully. a family and emergency medicine doctor, jeanette, doctor, good to have you back. what are the obvious things you tell folks. >> number one hydration, that's crucial, not just water, gatorade, coconut water maybe peedaa -- pedia light. and the temperatures are too extreme, hundred block. when your body overheats the normal cooling mechanism doesn't work. normally we sweat, it evaporates, our body cools down. when it's too hot and too humid that can't happen and that's when we start to see headache, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, muscle cramps. neil: right. >> sometimes people they become
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confused and if they don't take action right away, that can lead to more serious complications, such as a heat stroke, where you can actually lose consciousness and have organ failure, brain damage, kidney failure. so it's crucial to pay attention to the temperatures and take action because you know, it can affect anyone. >> sure. >> but there are some people who are definitely more, more prone and more vulnerable to the severe heat. for example, infants, toddlers, senior citizens. if you have any underlying medical conditions, for example, if you have heart disease and you're on certain medications, like, for example, a diuretic, then that can exacerbate symptoms. any type of underlying medical problems you're at more of a risk and that's more important, even though that can effect anyone to heed the warnings. >> i have a bunch of doctors e-mailing me. you know, neil, you're toast tomorrow. one thing i was noticing walking around the city last night,
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doctor, all the bars were packed. liquor is the worst thing in an environment like this, right? >> absolutely. >> i didn't go in the bars, doctor, i noticed it. >> maybe they were drinking iced tea without at chalcohol. >> alcohol in extreme heat can act as a diuretic and exacerbate the symptoms. we need to drink fluids, water, gatorade, pedialight. >> make sure you're getting fruits and vegetables, it's natural electrolytes. >> every time you come here you're pushing the fruits and vegetables. >> but, you know, it's very important moderation, but especially in the heat. it's important to stay away from excessive coffee or highly caffeinated drinks, red bull and monster and loaded with
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caffeine. alcohol dehydrates you, acts as a diuretic and makes you loopy and intoxicated and go outside in the extreme heat. it can mask the signs of heat stroke. neil: what about kids? they're hyper to begin with. >> especially with kids they're most vulnerable. first of all, make sure we don't leave kids in the car and also our pets, we have to keep an eye out for them. but kids are more vulnerable. going outside just for a few minutes, neil, they can become dizzy, vomiting, weak and dehydrated and very easily. they are the most vulnerable, so we need to especially keep an eye on them in addition to our seniors and our neighbors. if you have a neighbor that maybe lives alone, check on them, call them. if they don't have air conditioning, if you don't have air conditioning, there are places to go, to a public library, go to the mall. there are cooling centers in new york city. neil: three dozen or so-- as long as the power stays on. >> yes, absolutely. neil: doctor, thank you very, very much, a very good heart besides looking out for people.
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>> thank you. neil: and don't you find those people annoying? no, she means what she speaks. nasa, on this day we honor what happened 50 years ago, and it didn't look like it was going to happen. john f. kennedy kept pushing it against enormous odds. his niece, kathleen kennedy townsend, the eldest child of robert f. kennedy, is going to be here on that after this. >> i can exert my feeling and my passion and let people know what i believe in and why i believe it. give me a mission, give me a goal, give me a commitment to do something out there in the future so the american people can get their hands around something. when kennedy said we're going to the moon, man it galvanized the country during the cold war. >> we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. with sofi, get your credit cards right- by consolidating your credit card debt into one monthly payment.
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>> we talk about it again, you know, there's an attempt to sort of restart the whole space program with using the moon as a launching pad. and i've always thought that it just seemed odd having done that and achieve that that we're going back to that. i get the strategy that's a launching point for bigger and better missions. what do you think of that. >> 27 years ago i wrote a book, a whole boring book on mission to mars and i've always been a believer in mars. i would choose a direct, i would call it the jfk mars direct express, is what i would call it. i would name it after president kennedy because he was such a wonderful guide for us on the apollo adventure. neil: apollo 11 astronaut michael collins praising president kennedy for his role in landing a man at the moon and
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said at the time returning them safely back to earth. he was saying that in 1961 and didn't look promising and aides, and even his own brother, maybe we're setting lofty expectation. and bobby kennedy said his brother was right never to give up. and john f. kennedy's piece, kathleen kennedy townsend, the beautiful state of maryland, thank you for taking the time to be with us. >> it's such a moment to celebrate and excited what my uncle set out to do with nasa and as you can see, 50 years later and people in america and throughout the world are looking at the stars and at the moon and seeing what we could accomplish when we set our mind to it. neil: it really was remarkable and it goes beyond politics. you and i chatted briefly. one of the things that amazed me about your uncle and my
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extension, your dad, he was going to commit himself at the time we were crashing rockets left and right, no slight intended, but john kennedy was asked about, what do you mean by the end of the decade? which decade are talking about? and even your dad apparently joked with him about it, and that it was doable. the idea was to think big, dream big and galvanize the nation. it did all of that, didn't it? >> that's right. he believed-- i mean, when you read the whole speech he said that we are -- that human beings like adventure, they like adventure to climb the biggest mountain, to cross the seas, to set your eyes high, to set your dreams big and if you do that, then you can get people behind you and if you do things that are hard, you can get people to say, i have accomplished something. and that's what i think, you know, president kennedy
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understood about human nature. we want to say that we've done something and he understood that what was going on in the cold war, that at one point, we've got to show that america could do something great and getting to the moon was a dream, you know, you can hear from jules vern, a long time ago because there's something magical about actually accomplishing going to the moon. it's magical out there, if you can do that you can set people's hearts aflame. neil: well, he did that. i wonder for you kathleen, i don't mean to get too personal. it had to come as a child with mixed emotions for you. your dad had been killed a year beforen your uncle killed as well, great hardship in the family. i wonder as a kid watching that whether it was difficult for you? >> well, it was--
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my -- as you said both my uncle and father were killed before they reached the moon, but what my father said to me after president kennedy was killed is that to me, you have a special responsibility for our family, work for our country, and and so he always understood that you go forward and that was the message that i think is really important that he left me, that you don't look back, you look forward and i think that was important for our country and for our family. we could have been bitter about both those terrible deaths or we could have said, look how fortunate we were and what could we go forward and give and what could we serve? i have to tell you this weekend
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we're celebrating up in hyannis port the 50th anniversary of the special olympics. so there's always a sense that we've been fortunate and what can we do to make the world better for everybody. neil: it is remarkable and it's obviously ingrained in your family and i did not mean to bring up something that would hurt your feelings, i just said it shows a great deal about your own stick-to-it-iveness. and i'm wondering the goals pass a nation that sort of captivated us when your dad was alive and your uncle was alive and setting these goals. you know, obviously, the appetite for this petered out after apollo 11 and 12 and they cut back on the number of apollo missions, i think we were supposed to have 21 or 22 and we cut it off at 17 because we'd been there, done it and that was
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it. now they're trying to restart everything. what do you think of that? >> i think it's exciting. i think when we -- what was exciting about the apollo missions number one going to the moon or now maybe going to mars, and there's a two-way street to it. one you go up and then you look back to earth, and one of the things that happened, i think, when nasa astronauts went up to the moon, they looked to the earth and they saw this beautiful glow that was the only green and living planet. and so they became, i think, they say homesick for our earth and much more appreciative of our own earth. so there's always a two-way street you go out and then you come home. so i think it's always great to set forth for wonderful adventures and then appreciate, which we always have in our own
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house, or our own home so we appreciate the earth as we go out. and i think it's critically important for leaders to set great goals, to imagine something difficult for us to do, and ask us to do it and that's what john kennedy understood. i think that's what all great leaders have understood. that's is what was so great about the lewis and clark expedition. we can go throughout history. neil: oh, sure. >> what you want to do, you want to do something that challenges your best talents. neil: i always loved that speech of your uncles, john kennedy at rice university, he said we do it because it's there. >> and we do it because it's tough. we always want to do something that's difficult. i was actually in houston this week with the president of rice and we were remembering that very moment, you know, what is it in human nature that says we can achieve, we can go forward, we can do something more. neil: very well said. kathleen kennedy townsend, a
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real honor, thank you for taking the time. >> great to be with you, thanks for helping us remember. neil: it's hard to forget. kathleen kennedy townsend in washington d.c. we'll have much more after this, including how close we came to doing bigger things that now are bugetary difficult after this. (burke) at farmers insurance, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a parking splat. fly-by ballooning. (man) don't...go...down...oh, no! aaaaaaahhhhhhhh! (burke) rooftop parking.
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>> all right. now back to more earthly concerns for the time being. this is not happening on the moon, it's happening on the earth, in washington d.c. democrats and republicans gearing up for the big testimony from the former special counsel, bob mueller. could this be a game changer for either side? former whitewater counsel ken starr is on the phone. i know what each side wants.
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what do you think we are going to get? . mueller made it clear he wants to stick 0 the script. each side will try to take him off that. >> certainly the democrats will. but, hey, good morning and my expectation is that bob mueller will be the very careful, circumspect lawyer that he has been over decades of public service, whether you like the report are you do not. the author of the report is someone who has a very long record of distinguished service and he has said, hey, this is it. this is the final word. but i think what we can see in terms of drama on the democrats side is dramatic readings of the most provocative portions, especially of the second part of the book, going to obstruct, and this is interesting, did you write this? do you agree with this? on the republican side, there's
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a ripe opportunity for vigorous cross examination, why didn't you issue an interim report? there are a whole lot of questions that i think the republicans will-- they certainly should ask. neil: you know, ken, i'm perplexed by the obstruction part of it because many expressed surprise that he didn't go further on the obstruction. if he couldn't make a convincing conclusion that the president did not obstruct why didn't he state that instead of leaving it like a jump ball. republicans will be equally adamant he didn't come to any firm conclusion. who do you think wins that back and forth battle? >> well, the republicans should win it if they're effective in cross examination, and their real weakness is, i think, in that second part of the analysis, especially in light of the fact that i believe that bob mueller, who is a good and honorable guy, is taking the law of obstruction of justice,
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shall, shall i say into frontiers, into outer space. goes much too far in terms of saying this kind of action, such as the wiring of james comey, should-- could somehow even be considered possibly a crime, and each of the statements that the president makes that expresses, concern, anger or anger about the investigation is held up as a potential part of this story of an obstructed act, course of action. i think that's really quite wrong, at a matter of law and i think it's just also unfair to the president. the way the president has been treated in that second book, and there's a lot that the president says that i wish the president wouldn't have said, but does not sound to me in the nature of a crime. others disagree with what i just said. neil: will it move the public is this this is all about, most of
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the public has not read this report so this will be their first inkling or exposure to it. will it move the needle ? >> it shouldn't because it's all there, it's been sliced and diced so what is it that's new? the most would be for bob mueller to say, i'm now going to tell you, yes, if you want the president i would have said let's seek an indictment. neil: okay. >> i don't think he's going to say that. neil: no, he didn't there and he probably won't here. we'll watch. thank you, ken for taking the time, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure, neil. neil: jon stewart has been calling kentucky senator rand paul a lot of things on his decision on the 9/11 victim's found, that he want it had pay for it first, outrageous. the senator responds after this.
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>> what rand paul did today on the senate is outrageous. he is a guy who put us in hundreds of billions in debt he was the 51st vote on the cut and he's going to tell us a billion dollars a year over it ten years is too much to handle. >> it's not 10.2 billion a year, it's two billion a year 2092. it's irresponsible.
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such sums as are necessary, so if jon stewart could read-- >> and it got worse and nastier. welcome back, everybody. the back and forth between kentucky senator rand powell and jon stewart over the 9/11 victims compensation funding bill spilled into the wide open and rand paul was motivated just to find a way to pay for stuff. to be fair to the senator that he didn't practice the same with tax cuts. he was originally for the pay-go, and took that out at theened. it's too late. he argues he was consistent and that's in the eyes of the holder. back with us is nathan ruben, jenna-- and jenna what do you think about he wanted to pay for it. >> he tried to be the adult in the room. jon stewart has a point.
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he's so emotional and upset, we saw in congress, and reasonably so, everybody walked out and the weren't listening. this was the great unifier. 9/11, everyone should be supportive of that. and i think that his point, that the government spends so much money funding other things like planned rand paul should vote for this bill. it shouldn't take jon stewart to deliver a passionate plea of both houses of congress to say
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you should take care of first responders of 9/11. frankly, i think that's ridiculous, we should be doing this without the pressure and i know it's emotional for a lot of people, and we should get this done. >> the back and forth on it, and rand paul says ultimately we pay for this i'm all for this, it's a good cause and a good purpose, but you've got to keep track of that sort of stuff. >> that's my problem, rand paul won't have the gumption or fortitude to say he's opposed to this. i heard him dismiss jon stewart as a liberal. come where i live. my neighbor was diagnosed with cancer in the middle of her pregnancy and she knew her son for six months. tell that to her father, to her husband, to those affected by the national tragedy. he won't do that, he'll sit and wave the flag, if he wants to make this the hill he stands on for spending, at least have the gumption to vote no and put it
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on record. >> that's a great point. this shouldn't be a partisan issue. this should not be something because it's jon stewart who of course is a little bit more liberal than rand paul, that should not be the reason that he's objecting here so this should be a great unifier. even us on the panel, we were talking beforehand and we all agree, this is something that needs to be done and this shouldn't be a partisan effort. this should be something that should unify congress and they need to find the funding somewhere. >> i was with the fire unions who represent the firefighters here in new york city the day about of this happened. these men were on the phone with a lot of members of the u.s. senate talking through people who had real issues. this was more about rand paul make ago big statement and jon stewart's right, virtually signaling rather than address ago real serious issue with the bill. he's going to vote yes for the bill and that really is what drives people, in my neck of the woods mad. neil: i know what you're saying, and covering the tragedy myself, but i want to step back, rand
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paul is being vilified, great respect for him and great respect for jon stewart. all he's saying is we've got to pay for stuff, what is wrong with that? >> the common theme i'm hearing is what the role of government and when i think of the role of government it's to provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare and the idea that during a hurricane we provide recovery dollars in an instance of a tragedy like 9/11, we provide support for those victims, this is something that is federal-- >> and you want to make sure-- this has a good financial track record. you want to make sure no one abuses that your heart and your head. >> and voted for the $1 trillion tax cut and-- >> with the pay-go provision that they took out afterwardment i'm not trying to paint him some way or jon stewart some way.
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things we feel passionate about, absolutely. you've got to find a way to make sure we pay for this, whether it's military spending, hurricane relief spending, emergency spending because you could make a compelling argument in all of these cases and these people who immediately weren't thinking about this when they helped people in the moment and the need, they didn't wait for any such-- >> you've got to be aware-- it's a drop in the bucket compared to the vast majority of spending that goes through congress and not once do we see the deficit hawks say you know what, i don't think we need to raise the military budget by hundreds of millions. >> we're talking about numbers are not astronomically not feasible. some of these people are already dead. and this is not for everyone that was near 9/11, these are for a small amount of people that are sick with disease. the fact that he's lumping every
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person on earth-- >> and we need to step back that government is not a government revenue generating, we node to look at the position, but i think what is irking about this we see such wasteful spending on some of the studies, some of the other things that are so ridiculous and so unnecessary, and so unconstitutional, by the way, then when you get something that touches at the heart of every american and we want to fund this all of a sudden we're out of money? that's not fair and not wise in congress. i think that rand paul's point that we need to figure out how to fund it is well-taken, but he needs to be consistent across the board. neil: you don't buy that? >> no, i don't. neil: we shall see. the president is disavowing the "sent her back" chant directed at a democratic congressman ilan omar. what mark walker thinks about this because he was there. ta ke care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago.
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>> all right. so, who is right?
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the president is saying that he was against the "send her back" chants and then later supporting crowd at wednesday's make america great again event. this was held in greensville, north carolina. my next guest was there and maybe settle it once and more all and congressman mark walker. good to have you. settle this for me. >> thank you. neil: he said he was not a fan of what they were chanting about congresswoman omar to send her back, she's a somalia refugee, but others reviewing the tape said it certainly didn't sound that way. you were there, you tell us. >> i've seen enough speeches by the president that when he's want to go engage or encouraging something, he knows how to do that. and when he stepped back a volume increases. 35 or 40% of people in the room chanting that, something em i'm
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on the record i feel was offensive. and nor did it happen again. neil: he was listening to it. if that was a crowd and you were listening to that would you have told them it's gone too far? >> i went on record and tweeted something out that night and even the next day, even increased that further. my wife's a two-time graduate from a historical black college and university, and as a former pastor, i know there are certain phrases that cause hurt to our minorities. we're reaching more and more with our great policies with criminal justice reform, lower economic-- or higher jobs and lower unemployment, that's something that we want to continue that message and not get distracted on some of the language as opposed to policy. neil: when they reprimanded the president or tried to in the house, as you know, even nancy pelosi said that the words were racist. she didn't believe the president was. was that generally the
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interpretation that you had? >> listen, we know this, we have elected a politically incorrect president. he is about-- even if he used scorched earth getting us from point. a to point b that's why many people in the american communities and myself support the president because it was no longer just talking the talk, it's about walking the walk and that's why i think is why he's got a strong loyal following because he got up there-- so many of the politicians in the establishment get caught up in the process. he says no, this is what we're going to do and this is the timeline. neil: do you think he heard that, the president of the united states you've got to be careful. i asked senator john thune whether the republican leadership in the senate wishes he didn't do something like that. he appreciates the president speaking his mind, but it gets in his way. he said at a time when the democrats were fighting among
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themselves over this issue and the markets were hitting records and the economy looking good that that all got sidelined. >> well, to are -- briefly it did. i won't comment how quickly the news cycles moves. but in the words of my friend tom emmer, it's not about the so-called four ladies in the squad. if you look at who voted against humanitarian aid at the border, it's about 100 democrats. if you look at people voting for this crazy impeachment stuff, it's about 100 democrats. they may be the face of this radical left wing that's now even in congress, but it's not just about these four people. >> congressman, thank you for taking the time. we appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. neil: 50 years ago we put a man on the moon in spite of the country being divided on it. do you think we could ever pull it off again? >> i was just walking and he
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♪ >> we'd like to dedicate these first steps of apollo 17 who all those who made it possible. neil: you were the last human being to touch that surface. how does that make you feel? >> humble. and i don't often--
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i don't look up at the moon and say, what a great guy you are, the last one to the moon. i do it when you ask me. >> we leave as we came and god willing as we shall return. with faith and hope for all manki mankind. neil: december 1972, the last time man walked on the moon, gene cernan was the last man to walk on this farout satellite of earth for what we're capable after. our next guest, based on a mission of a lifetime, where he recounts that time and the lessons from there about you it more comes from the heart, his
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own heart and what he has gleaned from that and what he learned from these giants. he joins us now. good to have you. >> thank you, it's a pleasure to be here. neil: i know just now at cape canaveral they're having a number of big events, the vice-president arrived and he is with buzz aldrin, a host of astronauts commemorating this special day. one of the comments i remember from guinea cernan and interviewing a lot of the astronauts. they didn't want it to end with gene cernan and apollo 17. gene would use the line i'm not the last man to walk on the moon. i want to be known as the latest, but he is still the last human being. >> i know, it's been 50 years and all of the lunar explorers that i talked to are hopeful that we will return to the moon, which they feel is a gateway to the rest of the solar system. neil: there are a lot of people that dispute-- mike collins isn't a fan of doing it and even the president
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is hot and cold on it. what is the allure there? >> the allure is this, it only takes three days to get there, so the ability to build a lunar base and to do scientific exploration there, is logistically an easy, feasible thing. if you think about mars, which bill anders told me who took the famous earth rise photo which really changed the world and changed all of us, he was a nuclear engineer and he said look, what we have not solved yet is the problem of radiation, deep space radiation. so on a nine month trip to mars you have to solve that problem and then you only have a two year window to get there. so it's not as simple as everybody thinks. the moon allows us to take that initial transitional step. neil: one of the things you wrote in your book and you recount going in and out of
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stories of astronauts, they were pretty much a unique bunch to a man. i'm thinking they had no problem, they being theirselves, to challenge the leaders, richard nixon and others. borman was saying this was something under a democratic administration kennedy and all that. how did they get away with that? >> they had moral courage, they really did. they believed in the common good, in something greater than onesself and psychological pre-files and tests and i managed to get access to them. neil: i wonder how you did that? >> well, i tracked down the nasa psychiatrist who was hoping to do updated versions of those tests for deep space exploration, which, you know, requires you to be there for nine months with somebody else. in any event, what their psychological profile showed,
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they were brave, but not reckless, they were independent, but trusting of authority. so, there was this rare mix of virtues and talents which are very hard to find today. neil: how do you think that folks at the time, i was kind of raising this with kathleen kennedy townsend, who would say, you've got to remember we had the vietnam war going on. her own father assassinated a year before. her uncle john kennedy killed. you talk about a time where it's hard to keep your focus on pretty much anything. these guys had to focus on the biggest project in human history. >> they were laser focused. and if you go back and look at the groundwork that kennedy laid. for example, they passed a 1962 salary reform act which made it possible for nasa to be competitive and hire engineers. >> the 400,000 people and
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engineers who worked on it, the 20,000 contractors. there was this intricate, marvelously orchestrated dance between management pan the administration of all of those people. >> amazing story. mission of a lifetime based on men who went to the moon. a lot of you have been e-mailing me and wanting to know how we got all of the astronauts and you probably don't realize this, but i'm an honoree astronaut. gene cernan before knew that i wanted to be an astronaut and my parents took me and to show me the size of the capsules and even then i was a tad chubby and
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abandoned my dreams and became a news anchor. and i told gene this story and he would wryly look at me and say neil, you made the right choice, but the best choice is having friends like that. we miss them all and think of them all. et i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too. antonio! fetch computer! antonio? i'll get it. get to know geico and see how much you could save on renters insurance.
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♪ >> that's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> 50 years ago today, neil armstrong made history as the first man to set foot on the moon, later planting the american flag along with his fellow astronaut buzz aldrin. today we're honoring that moment here at the kennedy space center here in florida and looking forward to america's future return to the moon and some day mars. welcome to this very special edition of america's news headquarters, remembering apollo 11. i'm


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