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chris: i'm chris wallace, president trump claims victory after robert mueller's testimony as democrats debate what to do next. ♪ >> the democrats had nothing and now they have less than nothing. >> did you actually totally exonerate the president? >> no. >> and will the senate pass a bipartisan budget deal that's making conservative spending blocks cringe, we will discuss that and more with white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. then just 2 days before the next democratic debates, joe biden says no more mr. nice guy. >> what did you mean you will not be polite in the next debate. >> we will see. >> presidential candidate and entrepreneur andrew joins us for
exclusive 2020 sit-down. plus speaker pelosi and aoc meet to clear the air. >> and we have our differences, respect that. >> we will ask sunday's panel about pelosi's bid to end fighting on her party, all right now on fox news sunday. >> hello again from fox news in washington, president trump is in another ugly twitter war with another democratic congressman of color and house speaker pelosi is accusing him of another racist attack. meanwhile the house has left town for a 6-week recess but even after the testimony of former special counsel robert mueller fell flat the question of whether democrats will start impeachment proceedings against the president remains unsettled. joining us now is white house chief
of staff mick mulvaney and mick, welcome back to fox fox ns sunday. >> not much going on this week, good to see you.
>> president trump attacked democratic congressman elijah cummings on saturday saying that his district in baltimore area of maryland is worst, worst conditions, more dangerous than along the southern border. i want to put up the president's statements, his district is considered the worst in the usa, cummings district is disgusting, rat, rodent infested mess, no human being would want to live there. in fact, medium household income in cummings district is in upper half nationally and colombia, maryland, part of cummings district has been called the safest city in america, so what is the president talking about? >> i think maryland per capita basis the richest state in america, you see pictures of complete poverty in baltimore, maryland. what this is the president fighting back of being illegitimate attacks on the border, you can see the questioning that elijah cummings
did of kevin mcaleenan and mr. cummings saying that kids were sleeping in their own feces. and when the president hears lies like that, he's going fight back and that's what you isn't that true the tweet. chris: this goes back to what happened with the four members of the squad, nobody objects the president defending border policy but this seems, mick, the worst racial stereotyping, black congressman, majority-black district, no human being would want to live there, is he saying people that live in baltimore are not human beings? >> chris, help me with this, when the president attacks aoc plus 3, attacks the squad he gets accused of being a racist, when nancy pelosi does it a few days later, the left, not you in particular, make that clear come to nancy's defense, couldn't
possibly be racist, she was simply attacking their ideas, the president is doing the same, the president is attacking mr. cummings for saying things that are not true about the border, i think it's right for the president to raise the issue, look, i was in congress for 6 years, if i had poverty in my district like i had in baltimore fi had crime like in chicago, homelessness like they have in san francisco and i spent all of my time in washington, d.c. chasing down this mueller investigation, bizarre impeachment crusade, i'd get fired and i think the president is right to raise that, has absolutely zero to do with race. chris: you say zero to do with race, there's a clear pattern here, mick, the fact is that before his -- before his inauguration, the president tweeted about john lewis, a black congressman, this is before inauguration, he said spend time in his crime-infested district, then two weeks ago, he goes after the four members of the squad all women of color and says they should go back to crime-infested countries from which they come.
then he talks about elijah cummings and says his district is rat and rodent infested, infested, sounds like subhuman and these are all six members, members of congress who are people of color. >> i think you are spending way too much time reading between the lines. >> i'm not reading between the lines, i'm reading the lines. >> anyone watching the program that adam schiff said the same thing -- >> i don't think he would be talking about rodent infested district. >> very well could. zero to do with the fact that adam and it would be wrong if he were saying that. >> you're completely comfortable with him saying that this is a rodent infested district and no human being would want to live there, you're comfortable with that? >> have you seen pictures on the internet just this morning from
conditions in baltimore, maryland? >> in any inner in america. you could argue why doesn't the president do something to stop it. >> the richest state in the nation as poverty like that, dominated for generations by democrats, i think it's fair to have that conversation. >> okay, after robert mueller's testimony this week, president trump declared victory, here he is. >> this was a very big day for our country, this was a very big day for the republican party and you could say it was a great day for me. chris: but house judiciary committee chair nadler even after the mueller hearing says he will go to court to try to get access to documents, try to get access to witnesses like former white house counsel don mcgann, here he is. >> there appears to be compelling evidence of the president's misconduct outside of the four corners of redacted version of mueller report and we will work to uncover that
evidence as well. chris: this isn't over. >> no, it's far from over. in fact, i don't know if it was in the clip that you saw little later or after he got back in district in new york, nadler actually told people he has begun impeachment inquiry, let's not lose sight that he's facing primary from his left in new york, falling over himself to become more progressive in order to try to keep his job and not lose to the next aoc, no, this is not over in their minds which is bizarre given what happened this week. mueller answered the single one outstanding question, he said -- they asked him would you have indicted the president were he not the president and mueller said absolutely not, he would not do that. chris: that's not not what he said, he said we didn't because of the olc, office of legal counsel compliance we didn't even make a decision. >> he got asked the question about congressman lou who i know, would you have indicted him, yes, we would, at the
beginning of the second hearing -- chris: that's when he said, yes, i agree, but what he said was that we -- i wouldn't have made -- we didn't even make that decision because the compliance prevented us from doing that. >> i think you're wrong on that. chris: i think the record will show you what it shows, i promise you are wrong. >> they don't, because there was no obstruction. you can go through details. chris: okay, let's look at that because despite the president's claim of total vindication, the special counsel and his testimony was not a moment in history but made it clear he's not saying the president did nothing wrong, take a look. >> the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice; is that correct? >> that is correct. >> did you actually totally exonerate the president? >> no. >> your investigation is not a witch hunt?
>> it is not a witch hunt. >> when the president said the russian interference was a hoax that was false, wasn't it? >> true. chris: not a witch hunt, not a hoax and the president is not exonerated. >> that last one which is the second clip you played, probably one of the most offensive things i've seen on television from a federal government employee since i've been here, it's a fairly high bar for that. did not exonerate the president. there's no way to exonerate the president, that's not the job of a special prosecutor, you don't get exonerated. you are innocent until proven guilty, in fact, i think it was congressman turner from ohio who raised that issue in another clip. chris: i agree, but he specifically said because the president says he was exonerated. >> you're innocent, i know it and you know it, innocent till proven guilty. this is over, most folks know that it's over. if you go back and watch response of democrats, they knew it was a disaster and knew it was over but had mr. nadler and small part, left-wing of the party bringing the entire party to the left to continue impeachment proceedings just
bizarre result. chris: okay, let's move on, the senate vote this is week on a bill that would expand -- that would extend spending limits and also extend the debt limit into 2021, this is what the bill would do, it raises spending by $324 billion over spending caps and runs up the clock on sequestration. no more forced spending cuts, question, does the president want the senate to pass it and if it does will he sign bill? >> yes, and yes. the bill spends more money than the president want today spend, there's no question about that. as i said on the show, elections have consequences and when democrats won the house everybody knew we were going to end up spending more money. what did we get in exchange? we got more money for defense, which we think, we got more money from va which we think that we needed and doesn't get nearly the attention, protection from the republican policies that were in previous years,
policy writers that go where lawmakers trying to spend the money use the money to change policy outcomes, the democrats wanted to limit our policies on the border, they wanted to limit policies regarding pro-life, they want to limit our policies regarding deregulation and we won on every single one of those, did we spend more money than we wanted to, yes, did we get what we wanted to, yes. chris: president trump promised that he was going to balance the budget and you when you were member of congress were a big deficit hawk. take a look. >> we can balance the budget very quickly. >> you think in 5 years? >> i think over 5-year period, maybe, i could surprise you. >> we are not paying for the government that we are getting and unless we will continue to steal money from our kids, we have to make a very difficult choice which is are we going to raise tax or reduce spending. chris: look at these numbers. >> look at the hair. >> i wasn't going to comment on the fact.
[laughter] >> age hasn't helped either of us. after dealing with great recession, deficit under obama dropped by average of 11% a year in second term, the deficit has increased by 15% a year in president trump's first two years. under president trump national debt has increased by more than $2 trillion. and if this bill goes through estimates the trump debt will top $4 trillion. how can mick mulvaney budget hawk support this? >> yeah, take our budget. adopt our budget. the media and the press and -- chris: on arrival. >> the word that everybody uses, if you went to look at it and saw what donald trump would do if he could pass spending bills which he can't, you would be on your path to balance and the deficit would be down. congress spends money. chris: wait a minute, you had republican control of congress for the first 2 years. >> also threw budgets on the trash dead on arrival.
if donald trump were in charge -- chris: he's the president. >> but you also know your constitution, congress spends the money, we have to do -- dell deal with democrats in the house, we will spend more money when democrats have seat at the table. chris: 30 seconds, your reaction that supreme court said you can spend 2 and a half billion dollars for the wall. >> great decision. >> 100 miles of wall. 4 miles a week by the fall, probably higher to that next year and still scheduled 450 miles of wall built
by the end of 2020. chris: mick, thank you, always good to talk to you, sir. >> thanks for having me. chris: up next sunday group to discuss sticking points of spending bill. what would you like to ask panel of democrat statements, they are just getting started after mueller hearings go, to facebook or twitter at fox news sunday and we may use your question on the air.
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>> if our committee will recommend articles of impeachment to the house we must make the strongest possible case. >> why would you ever bring up impeachment after yesterday's hearing? that should be put to bed, that is over, we heard it, we read it. what more can they make up? chris: house judiciary committee jerry nadler and house republican leader kevin mccarthy with different takes on where the house is on impeachment after robert mueller's testimony this week and time for sunday group, gop strategist karl rove, columnist for the hill, juan williams, former democratic chair donna brazile and cofounder of the federalist ben dominic, before we get to impeachment, i have to ask a couple of you about the tweets,
your reaction about cummings of baltimore? >> he was not only attacking the chair of oversight committee, he was attacking the entire seventh district of maryland which includes baltimore city and the rest, the president is absolutely wrong, when lawmakers are questioning his policy, questioning the implementation of -- of policy, the president goes after these lawmakers in a personal way, i think it's wrong, but, of course, this is the president's strategy. chris: do you think he's racist? >> i don't know what's in his heart but repeated pattern that we have seen for the last several years. chris: karl, you hear people close to trump campaign saying that the president can kind of walk that up to the line of racist tweets, racist rhetoric, mobilize his base and step back from it without allieanating.
is this good political strategy? >> he didn't advance it. he attacked a city, attacked district and painted ugly picture, i don't think it helped the president's cause whatsoever. look, i don't know what is in his heart but i don't see him as racist but this is the kind of thing that will cause people even who accept that view to say, mr. president, why are you doing this. got better things to do. chris: let's move on to the question of impeachment, 101 members of the house, i think 1 independent, former republican and 100 democrats now in favor at least of impeachment proceedings, how big a mistake for democrats for 2020 if they go down the road in. >> big, 38% thought the house ought to begin impeachment proceedings, 57% said they shouldn't, we had in march the end of the investigation april we had the report, now in the latest july washington post abc
poll 33% say they should begin, 63% oppose beginning impeachment hearings, having said that, they're going -- they're going to have a pseudohearing. 16 if you include nadler are in favor of impeachment, they are move ago head. the democrats, nancy pelosi is in pergatory, drowning out what they are doing in the house, drowning out presidential candidates and nothing nancy can do about it. chris: on this issue of what should happen post mueller, we got this on facebook from bill. mueller said he was unable to indict sitting president for obstruction but others in administration and campaign are not immune to indictment. why have no one else been
indicted, dona, two questions, how do you answer bill and secondly, what does nancy pelosi do to control the drive for impeachment among a lot of democrats? >> first, speaker pelosi cannot drive the conversation because the conversation started a long time ago, started before she even became speaker for the second time. there's a very healthy debate going on in our country in terms of whether or not the president is abusing his power. the house judiciary committee will continue to pursue along and gain information, i don't know if it will ever come to vote on the house floor but as of now, democrats believe that this president must be held responsible not just for actions but he should be held responsible for the things that he's doing to our constitution. chris: let's turn to budget bill which would expand spending for 2 years and debt limit to 2021,
take him out of presidential race in 2020 and here what mcconnell had to say about this. >> i think it's the best we could have done in a time of divided government, the alternatives were much worse. chris: ben, as i mentioned to mick mulvaney, this increases spending by over $300 billion over the next 2 years, how much heartburn is it causing conservative republicans? >> i think it's causing a lot of heartburn, i think there are a lot of people who feel like this is kind of the end of the tea party era and a lot of different respects but this is all kind of connected in a way because what we see now from the american congress, both on the republican and democrat side of the aisle is there's no actual demand on them to legislate, go through the process of negotiation the way they ought to, instead you have the big deals that are crafted that no one is really happy with but you have to have them swallowed just as nancy pelosi got entire -- the bulk of
conference to swallow the deal. doesn't really leave anybody satisfied because the job of congressman now to be a hype machine for national partisan issues as opposed to legislating that would be representative. chris: what about president trump, he has mick mulvaney, made his bones as a budget hawk, why did he accept this deal? >> i think he accepted the deal for the political reality of kicking the can down the road but this is a deal that is the sort of thing you could see under any president, it's going to continue to be a problem for the american people that we have a project that doesn't work either under president obama or president trump. chris: key players in this negotiation, reporting is that mulvaney was basically kept out of it because democrats thought he was budget hawk and key players was speaker pelosi for the democrats and treasury secretary mnuchin were the deal maker for the republicans, which
of the two of them came up better in this deal? >> if you really want the answer, it's pretty obvious, i hope everybody see that is nancy pelosi is the queen, i mean, she is majestic on this front, she held her caucus together, bigger increase in terms of social domestic spending than trump got in defense spending, she got more money. in fact, in this deal, chris, you see a faster rate of increase in nondefense spending under president trump than you had under president obama, so the democrats are doing better in terms of spending for these social programs under president trump than they did under obama. i come back to something ben was talking about which is, you know, the tea party, freedom caucus, this was the drive to take over washington, spending out of control under obama, deficits rising, deficits are rising faster now and you see a divided republican party on this front.
you only got 65 of 197 republicans in the house to vote for this, obviously they are all in fear of trump and his political power, but you can see the demise of instinct that push them to power in the first place which was about smaller government. apparently that's gone. >> constituency for that is much smaller than it turned out to be. [laughter] chris: let me ask you about that, karl, conservatives used to talk about the president you worked for george w. bush, bush 43 and say he was a big government conservative, where does donald trump fit on that scale? >> well, i'm not certain there's a coherent political philosophy behind there, but let's inject just a little bit of restraint here. yes, the deal allows for up to $320 billion in additional spending by removing the caps that were in 2011 budget bill, but doesn't say that we are going to spend $320 billion more, now we have to fight over
13 individual appropriation's bills, two-thirds of the republican said we are not voting for this, we think it stinks, those republicans plus 65 who voted for it now have a chance in the house and the republicans in the senate to say, okay, you want to spend x out of that $320 billion, we don't want to spend that much. they have the ability and fights over the individual spending bills, we basically got rid of the caps and we said we are not going to have a needless fight over the debt ceiling until 2021 but we will absolutely have a fight over each and every one of those spending bills. chris: are you suggesting -- let me quickly explain, spending limits, you can't spend anymore than this and you don't have to spend that, you say we will end up having government shutdown? >> no i don't think so, slightly disagree with ben, a lot of legislating as people go through the appropriations bills and the test would be do republicans stand up and say we want less spending rather than more spending, simply say, here is
what i need for my district, we will see. chris: we have to take a break, panel, see you little later. former tech entrepreneur running as the antipolitician in 2020, online following that's earned him a spot on debate stage, andrew yang for fox news sit-down for 2020 presidential candidates. n't hold back. well, the squirrels followed me all the way out to california! and there's a very strange badger staring at me... no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. uh-huh, where's the camel? "mr. big shot's" got his own trailer. ♪ wheeeeeee! believe it! geico could save you 15% or more on car insurance.
chris: the supporters called themselves the yang gang, they chant powerpoints in rallies and wear ball caps with nath in the front for make america think harder. fox news exclusive sit-down democratic presidential candidate and europe andrew yang who will be on the debate stage, welcome to fox news sunday. >> thanks for having me, chris, pleasure to be here. chris: let's start with latest
fox news poll that came out this week, shows you tied for sixth place with amy klobuchar, 3%, 30 points behind joe biden, but running ahead of cory booker and beto o'rourke and julian castro so i have a good news-bad news question, why do you think you are doing better than better known politicians and on the other hand, how do you ever make the big jump that you still have to make to get into the top tier of candidates? >> on the positive side america has lost confidence in its politicians, one of the reasons why i'm doing so well, i'm beating many sitting senators and governors, the american people realize that our government is way behind the curve in solving the real problems. we need to catch up and speed up and they see someone like me as someone who can help make that possible, in terms of making the big jump to catch up to joe biden and the other leaders, most americans are just tuning in to whose running in 2020, i'm
still introducing myself to the american people, it's going to be a very, very fluid race over the weeks and months to come, i'm confident, i will keep on climbing the polls and start catching up to the leaders very soon. chris: you say people are just tuning in but if they tuned in to the first democratic debate they didn't see much of andrew yang, you ended up getting, i had to check this out 2 minutes and 50 seconds total in a 2-hour debate by far the least amount of time of any of the democrats in the two debates, what's your plan to get more air time this week? >> well, i got asked 2 questions in 2 hours which was not enough but we are confident that this wednesday i'm going to have much, much more of an opportunity to make my case to the american people that the real central issue is that we are automating away millions of first manufacturing jobs and now retail jobs, call center jobs and because of the polling support we have i'm not going to have just next week in detroit, i am going to have september in
houston and on and on, my campaign will be here the entire way. chris: i want to talk about your policy proposals and automation in a moment, just to get back to the debate one way to get more attention air time is to go after front runners, you will be on the stage wednesday night with two front runners, vice president biden and senator harris, any thoughts about going after them one because you have differences on issues and 2 because it'll get you more attention? >> well, my focus is on solving the problems of the american people and to the extent that i can drive the conversation towards those issues, i'm very, very excited about it. i don't think that we benefit if i'm throwing rocks at other candidates when frankly i agree with them on many, many issues and i think right now my focus is really on still introducing myself to the american people. chris: one of your main messages which you referred to a moment ago is that you say that this country is going through a
dramatic economic transformation in large part because of automation and you say that you will keep the promises to working-class americans that president trump has failed to keep to them, here you are in the first debate. >> i think much more coalition to build donald trump, it is not left, it is not right, it is forward and that is where i will take the country in 2020. chris: you propose what you call the american mall act, like shopping mall act with 6 billion-dollar fund, how would that work? >> well, we are in the process of automating away the most common jobs in the u.s. economy which includes retail worker, call center worker, truck driver, food service, these are the jobs that are disappearing around the country and unfortunately they're also the most common jobs, so amazon is closing 30% of our malls and stores and paying zero in taxes while doing it. and these malls become sink
holes, they cause -- became havens for crimes and bad action, become community centers, schools, residential, in the absence of move, they become the last place anyone wants to be and destroy property value from miles around. chris: what do you do ifate a motion is a problem, what do you do to help the worker who has skills for earlier era transition and get a job in these times? >> the first big step is we need to have everyone share in all of the gains from the progress and innovation, my proposal would put $1,000 a month into the hands of every american so that if you're mall closes or your job gets blasted away you have $12,000 a year that helps keep the pressure off and helps transition in a better direction. chris: are you basically on your own, in other words, are you going to provide retraining programs, are you basically
saying here is $12,000, help yourself? >> well, we certainly need to invest in the retraining of the american people but we also have to be honest that we are terrible at retraining, the success rates for federally funded retraining programs for displaced manufacturing work nester the midwest between 0 and 15% and pretending that we are somehow becoming excellent at retraining americans is lying to the american people. i was just at a truck stop in iowa, if you went to those truckers and said we will retrain you to be coders or engineers, they would be more likely to punch you in the face than sign up, we need to put resources directly into our hands, the hands of the american people, certainly we need to invest in retraining programs but we have to be realistic of what we can and can't accomplish. chris: okay, let's talk about some of the concerns of your big program, freedom dividend, universal basic income, a thousand dollars a month to every adult, everybody over 18 regardless of you're jeff bezos or the guy on the treat, $12,000
a year. >> yes. [laughter] >> estimates are that your plan would cost about $3 trillion a year and the main way that you would do it, you have other methods but your main way is they value added tax of that, the kind of sales tax they have in europe which is what you say would pay for this, first of all, it's basically a sales tax which is you know one of the regressive ones and secondly independent groups like the tax foundation and they looked at all of your plans, they say that your numbers don't add up, in fact, what you would get from all of it is less than $500 a month per person and not a thousand dollars a month per person. >> first the headline was much lower than $3,000, if we put mechanism in place where the american people get sliver of
every amazon transaction, amazon is trillion dollar company that paid zero in taxes last year, if we give a sliver of transaction, every facebook ad, every robot truck mile, we can generate hundreds of billions in new revenue and the great thing is when we put this dividend into your hands, thousand dollars a month, where does the money go, the money goes back to local communities and the economy, goes to car repairs, day care, little league sign-ups, all the things that make up healthier and stronger and would help create millions of jobs around the country. chris: i want to pick up on something, well, whatever it is, we pay a million in -- trillion and a half dollars in transfers, some conservatives are saying, if we would give everybody $12,000 a year we could replace the welfare state, yeah, everybody would get the andrew freedom dividend but
conservatives can do away with social programs that a lot of people at the lower end of the income scale depend on. >> well, my program is universal but it's oped in and if you opt in you would be foregoing to certain existing programs, this would be a win-win where you have resources to the american people, you don't have restrictions of how people spend it and get rid of negative incentives, we have to make it so that if you do better, you do better. chris: final question, and this is another concern people have, look, when you work, you get more out of it than money, you get self-esteem, you get social interaction, there's a lot of things and some people are concerned that with your in effect 12,000-dollar a year handout that you're delinking income from actually learning a living? >> well, i'm asian so you know i
love to work but you have to be a little bit broader about how you think about work, my wife is at home with two young boys, one of whom has autism, what is the value of her work right now, zero, we know the opposite, her work is the most challenging and vital work in our society. we need to think bigger what we mean by work but most americans know that putting a bit of money into your hands is going to make you work harder in many contexts and certainly not going take someone who wants to work and say, oh, i'm going kick back because a thousand dollars a month is not enough to thrive in any environment. chris: mr. yang, thank you, thank you for sharing your weekend and your ideas with us and tracking how much time you actually get to speak in the debate this week. >> thank you, chris, hopefully i will see you in detroit. chris: well, no, you won't, but that's -- [laughter] >> not a fox debate but we would like to do one. [laughter] >> thank you.
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>> what did you mean when you said you were not going to be polite in the next debate? >> we will see. chris: democratic front runner joe biden promising he's going to be much tougher on his rivals in this week's presidential debates in detroit and we are back now with the panel, karl, what do you expect from this next round of democratic debates and how do you explain the fact that despite performance in first debate which was universally panned that joe biden is still leading the democratic field in the latest fox poll this week by better than 2 to 1. >> he has the biggest name id,
biggest reputation and biggest knowledge base and also the attack by harris was -- was a cheap shot, turned out that both had the same views, opposed federal government imposing busing, that they accepted local districts imposing buses, that's what happened in her situation and they ended up being the same, harris turned out to be a not so good candidate, we've now seen her flip-flop, is she in favor of the medicare for all, getting rid of all personal health insurance or not, she's been flipping and flopping on that, she's been flipping and flopping on other issues, she's not very clear, she got a bump but fallen back, they don't have good alternative yet to biden, having said that, what matters is who has the best ground game in iowa and somebody seizes a moment like barack obama and turn the ground game in surprise upset in iowa. chris: biden will be standing wednesday night between kamala harris and cory booker, both whom have hit him on record on
race, given the fact that support in the african-american community is the strongest pillar of his support, that's where he separates from the rest of the field, how hard do you think they will go after him wednesday night? >> it's going to be tough, pinpoint movement visually as you describe it. biden 7 to 8 points, big winner was harris, i disagree with karl in this, harris has proven to be strong candidate. able today move up in the polls, move up in terms of the fundraising, move up in terms of name id, people just know who she is given what you just talked about with andrew yang, the second thing is that it's forced bide on the try to sure up his support, this week we had an ncaaap convention in detroit, urban league in indianapolis, biden is out there with a new criminal justice plan, he's gone to south carolina to apologize for saying that he worked with
segregationists in the past and the reason for that is the cautionary tale of hillary clinton back in 2008, she had all the big endorsements, looked like she had strong black support and here comes barack obama who does well enough in iowa, he wins iowa in fact, and goes to south carolina which is going to set the parameters for all the southern primaries that follow with large black constituencies and obama beat clinton by 29 percentage points in south carolina and goes onto win it all. biden doesn't want to see repeat of that scene. chris: dona, where do you see the democratic race going into the debates? >> first of all, i'm very excited, most exciting night for two reasons, one we have elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, we have progressive lane that we all know has been congested over the last couple of months and we are going to see which of the two have a real good plan for medicare for all and many of the -- ending
college debt, et cetera. chris: they said they are friends and will not attack each other. >> they have to distinguish themselves, elizabeth warren has been coming up in the polls, she has a plan for everything, even a plan for defeating donald trump, night one would be interesting, night 2 is not just about race and joe biden and his standards, night 2 is candidates who are trying to play catch-up, they didn't have enough time as you just heard from andrew yang to exintroduce themselves, night two would be good evening for democrats in the country. >> meanwhile nancy pelosi and alexandria ocasio-cortez met on friday for half an hour to try to work out their differences, here they were afterwards. >> likes like you're in a family and in a family you have differences but you're still a family. >> i'm looking forward to us continuing our work and as always i think the speaker
respects the fact that we are coming together as a party. chris: so ben, do you think it's all sweetness and rainbows and lollipops in democratic caucus and seriously, how much do you think aoc and member it was squad, progressive members threatened caucus? >> i think it's threat to the party, families can be dysfunctional too in all sorts of ways, in this circumstance we saw this week the power of nancy pelosi working one way. you had the mueller hearing sort of go down the way that she actually thought it was going to go down, disappointing summer reboot if it was the version of the book, you had her getting all her conference together really when it came to budget deal including aoc at the last minute making decision to support that, but in terms of what's going forward, what the future looks like for the democratic party, the fact is that these young members who have come in have a real
message, a theory of the case that is a critique of the obama administration that viewed as having taking the route that was too procorporate in lots of different ways, not going down the road differently on health care perhaps that they would have like today see in that case and they have very much of progressive mind set and they are not going away, they have huge mega phones and huge following, it's only going to increase and i think in the long-term, this type of divide within the democratic party could prove difficult when it comes to winning national elections, they play into president trump's argument that the democratic party is too radical for the moment so even if you don't like him, even if you don't like where he is, this is what you have to look forward to in a future administration. chris: what about the argument that nancy pelosi made when she wasn't being, there's are just four congresswoman, four votes, when they had bill humanitarian aid to the border, all they got was their own votes. >> the vote that is they have
are far less important than ability to reach out and change the narrative. this is what we saw with the tea party as well, the fact that they had a certain number of member who is were of this particular mind set far less important than what they represented. the ability to challenge significant statewide politicians and to, you know, state of texas knock off someone as powerful in case of ted cruz sent messages to congress, i do think it's one that is growing and it's going to particularly grow among young left to center voters. >> best known among republicans according to polls, why is that, they are condemning for republicans to say, all the democrats are socialists, we were talking about ongoing racist, who is leading candidate, joe biden, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, these aren't radicals -- >> their agendas will end up closer to where aoc and where
omar and where the other candidates are than joe biden. >> they have energized the party, they are helping to energize the party and not at the leadership, nancy pelosi is till is leader of the democratic party. >> systemically calling for challenges to democrats is not an accident, they are challenging the jerry nadler from the left, they are challenging the chairman of of the ways and means committee. how many people would have stood to her yeah, green new deal after piece of document that they laid out talking about cow they are driving the narrative, i agree with ben, their control is not in numbers, it's in the voice and the voice will get larger because republicans will pay attention to it, the media likes it and they have mastered social media to the a degree that's driving. chris: what about that argument, donna, yes, in terms of effect of the house is limited, but in terms of the effect in national
conversation, in politics, you know, an inside game, caucus, there's an outside game, twitter followers. >> look, they have a lot of twitter followers, we need people who can move legislation and people who can move vote, they are very good in terms of helping to grow the democratic party but i don't see them right now setting a narrative for 2020, not yet. >> nobody know what is the house democrats have done in the way of passing bills but they know lots about aoc and tlaib and omar. >> trump's tweets to thank for that. >> gop has been broken down by trump, gop is basically the party of trump behind that. i don't think you can say that about the democrats. >> tried to change the subject. [laughter] >> i enjoyed the last 2 or 3 minutes, i just sat there and watched the panel. thank you, panel. >> as a woman i'm proud of them.
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note ♪ >> the job of a judge is to enforce the constitution as its written. >> leonard leo executive vice president of the federalist society which advances the cause of limited constitutional government. >> whether there were opportunities. >> in washington he's known by a different name. >> you have been called president trump's supreme court whisperer, how do you plead? >> i don't remember ever whispering. >> if justice of aging supreme court retires at end of spring term, anthony kennedy retired last summer. >> do you -- given your role, do you think to yourself, we are head intoed the regular season now? [laughter] >> every june we think about that. [laughter] >> yes. absolutely. >> leo has already helped get 5 justices on the court, he organized conservative support for clarence thomas and john roberts and sam alito but role
increased dramatically when president trump asked him to draw up list of nominee which is included neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh. >> what you see in list of 25 is probably the best and brightest, you know, individuals on the bench. >> judge gorsuch has outstanding legal skills, brilliant mind, tremendous discipline. >> just days after he took office president trump nominated federal appeals court judge neil gorsuch who was on leo's list. >> ly do my power to be faithful servant. >> always been a point of contention. >> has been pushing originalist philosophy for more than a quarter century, the idea that the words of the constitution should be interpreted as commonly understood when it was written. outside his office there's a photograph of the supreme court chambers of justice antonin scalia, the prime mover of
originalism over the last half century. >> that's why it's hanging here outside of my office because this is the place, this is the originalist temple. >> leo was modest about his role will be if there's another vacancy on the court saying it's up to the white house but little doubt if president trump makes another nomination leo will be at the center of the action and he could not be more committed. >> this is really at the core of his legacy, you're dealing with fundamental transformation in the federal bench, about inspiring and motivating as anything has been in my professional life. it's like nothing i've ever experienced, chris, it's really incredible. chris: leo wouldn't tell us if he has a new favorite for the supreme court on that list of 25, he says you could throw a dart at the list and get a solid conservative.
that's it for today, have a great week and we will see you next fox news sunday. eric: see you then. can you give me an example other than donald trump where the justice department determined that an investigated person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determined? >> i cannot. but this is a unique situation. >> time is short. i've got five minutes. let's leave it at you can't. i'll tell you why, you can't because it doesn't exist. >> this is about prosecutors not offering prosecutor prosecutors about crimes that are not charged. paul: robert mueller on the hot seat earlier this week defending