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bond, and that picture in the story went viral, as well it showed. nice job, christian. thank you for inviting us into your home tonight. that is a poor "special report," fair, balanced, unafraid. "the story," hosted by martha maccallum starts right now. speak to a great story. we are on the rooftop here. hello, everybody. if you live in interesting times, that is said to be a chinese curse. and no doubt while origin is dubious, it fits the moment we are living in. reports tonight that chinese officials are confused by the president. and will not come to the table right now after contradictions like this. >> if they don't want to trade with us anymore. that would be fine with me. we would save a lot of money. >> if they don't want to make a deal, it is very important. it's going to be great for china. it will be great for the u.s. >> martha: they also cite president trump calling xi a
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great leader one minute and the enemy at the next. his supporters say that he is just keeping them guessing on purpose. >> sorry. it is the way i negotiate. it has done very well for me over the years. and is doing even better for the country. >> martha: we have a lot to get to in washington tonight, we begin with reaction straight from the white house. kellyanne conway, senior adviser to president trump, great to have you here. why did the president say that they had called and wanted to come back to the table? and they say that they never called? >> these trade negotiations are ongoing, everyone knows that. the chinese allegation has been here in washington many times, and we have had the u.s. delegation representing the president. >> martha: they asked to reopen the negotiation that they were ready to come to the table and talk and they are saying that is not the case. >> is there anyone that thinks that china is not ready to make a deal. they said that they have done that many times. the president is taking the long
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view on china. because it was neglected for so many decades, martha, that it last left us with a half a million dollar trade deficit. the fourth technology transfer, the stolen intellectual property. >> martha: there is no doubt that there has been a major issue and the president is the first president to take it on. >> there is an allegation. >> martha: we are at the point where that is getting hard. and that is not surprising given what is taken on here. so can you give us an update on where things stand? and will there be a meeting next month? >> the president is open to continue talks and negotiation. he has made that very clear. and a series of tweets not so long ago put to china that this is about trade, also watching the protesters in hong kong, and he said that you have to get it out of this country and out of the community and kids. we see how it is destroying 32,000 last year. but they were over in china very
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recently. the president does not mind waiting if it is a better deal for america. the other presidents have not bothered to make any deals. this president came to the city to disrupt it and part of to hae agreements that no longer screw the american worker and american employers. these things take time. in the meantime, he thinks that tariffs are working, and look what he did with japan at the g7. this is a huge trade agreement. and agriculture, but also digital technology. >> martha: you heard the introduction that we did, and it went back and forth between the different messages. is it part of the presidents mo to be predictable and kind of leave them guessing where he stands? >> sure, but anybody does not know where the president stands on trade with china has not been paying attention for two years, mainly decades. >> martha: does he consider him a friend or an enemy? >> he says that we get along well, but will not allow
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anybody, let alone the number two economy in the world play americans for fools as has been done for so many years. this president has proven he is ready to negotiate better trade deals. he has done it with the usmca, the people that work behind us, martha, better get back here and vote on, that will help constituents left, right, and center. better, bigger nafta, called unc a, he is willing to do that with china. and people are waiting to exhale for a trade agreement. >> martha: the farmers are, the market is. >> it is preceded by the art of the negotiation. >> martha: understood. there are reports out of china that they don't think that anything can happen before the 2020 election. does the president want to see this happen before the election? you say that he it was just today, if they are waiting out the clock for 2020 thinking that he won't get reelected, they will be
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disappointed. it will be harder for them to get a deal then. and harder for americans to get a deal. why is the president driving such a hard bargain with china? half a trillion dollars trade deficit, forced interest, but there is another reason. the industry that the president has roaring back as part of his incredible economy include industries that were flat on their back and large part because of our poor relationship with china on trade. so of the 6 million plus jobs that have been created since donald trump was elected, 1.2 million are in combined manufacturing, infrastructure, mining, all of these industries they were fighting back, he is there for the forgotten men and women and trade with china. >> martha: what about the farmers? 13% increase in bankruptcies this year. and there are reports that the agriculture secretary went out there to try to calm their fears a little bit. but how long can he calm their fears if they continue to be under pressure and perhaps make a different choice? >> we don't want anyone to suffer. the fact is that you have to
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take the long view on deals like this. what could the farmers and ranchers and the american agriculture economy be like if we actually got a trade deal with china that works for american farmers and american ranchers? we know that many of them have seen economic downturn. there has been some compensation measures, and taking the long view means waiting for the best deal possible. the president always welcomes them to come back. in the trade team, frankly they have been terrific. >> martha: he said himself that nobody is willing to bite this off. it is a big issue. i think americans across the board agree that something has to be done. so president xi has asked the people of china to pursue self-reliance. he said get ready for the next -- new long march, he called it. will the president asked the same of the american people? you look at the effort during world war ii. does he see this as a war? does he see it as something that will require americans to
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sacrifice a bit? >> i fail to see an analogy in this regard. at the trump economy is warring and booming despite the people that talked about russia, prussia, russia, now they want to talk about recession, recession, recession. look at the data out of bloomberg today. the highest consumer confidence level in 19 years. you can't argue with the facts. in the facts show americans are spending money -- >> martha: but farmers have to, you know, take it on the chain a bit, and giving them millions of dollars to give them relief. is it his view that it is okay to ask people to make some sacrifices because this is such an important goal? >> the president has made very clear that in order to get the best bilateral trade deal with china that benefits america unlike the way that it has been so nonreciprocal, imbalanced and unfair to america, including the american farmers and ranchers, to wait for that is going to take a little bit longer. but it will be worth the wait. and i think that if you look at what happened in the g7.
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obviously the u.s. economy is the envy of the world including the g7 partners. any of them would love to have those figures, martha. and at the g7, people were talking about china. but at the g7, this president negotiated major trade deal with japan. the u.k. once a trade deal. china is coming back to the table. at the u.k. wants to wait until they sort out their own brexit, but all of the people they are -- obviously justin trudeau was there. canada. they are agreeing to the u.s. d see now. they have the tweet. they had no time to vote. >> martha: i would like to discuss a few other topics. president rouhani said that he would be happy to sit down and talk to president trump as was suggested by emmanuel macron, but he needs the sanctions to be lifted before he would do that, what is the president's reaction? >> the president's reaction is that the sanctions are staying in place, but that he would be open to meeting with mr. president rouhani if the circumstances were right. the president has had for many months, years in fact, martha, he is willing to talk to world
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leaders if it helps america. but he does not regret, in fact, he applauds and is very proud of pulling this country out of that failed iran nuclear deal that was in the last demonstration. he believes that iran is a big threat to israel and had been, in the words of benjamin of benjamin netanyahu, the best friend that israel has ever had. given the goal in the heights and the like. and the presidents will keep the sanctions on iran, but if they want to come to the table and talk about other things, that is fine. their economy is doing terrible, just like the chinese economy. >> martha: we will see if that is motivation to bring them to the table without lifting sanctions. >> without hair during israel. of course. >> martha: changing gears to the inner white house issues, anthony scaramucci who had a very short stay at the white house about 11 days, i think, he was in his job, has been blasting the president left and right and getting quite a
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bit of attention for it. this is what he said most recently. let's play this. >> i don't understand how elected public servants of the longest standing republican democracy in existing world history. a 243-year-old republican democracy could have this sort of full-blown insanity on display and not act. >> martha: full-blown insanity on display, says that the country must act against a president. >> that is one persons opinion. that is a new opinion for anthony. we all know that. a very new opinion. but he has also just just somebody who is out there i think getting a lot of attention and trying to cause trouble in a way that is very unlike the anthony that i know, who was really terrific on the campaign. and so far as helping to raise money, was a constant presence in trump tower towards the end.
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>> martha: what happened? >> what has happened and they have tweeted at each other, and i will let, when i die a long time from now, i hope, pray to god, martha, i will never say i wish i sent one more tweet. that will never come out of my mouth. they tweeted at each other and made it clear. but i ask you a question, you said that he is getting attention. to what end? in other words, all of the people out there saying this, that, and the other, to what end? can i keep hearing a number of people saying, they're all of these republicans who say it in private what i am saying in public. where are they? do they work in the capital? have them come forward to. where are these people? these mysterious people -- where are they? they can get media attention also if they come forward. i keep hearing people, i keep seeing people on twitter and hearing people on tv talking about analyses outside of their purview. outside of their professional purview. and i think that that is ridiculous.
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i am going to continue to work for the country, this white house and the president and vice president, because i believe that we continue to be a force for good. and anthony believed that too. he was there. he was loyal. he did a lot of work. >> martha: i don't want to give him any more teatime than we need tonight. but i wanted your answer. >> it is disappointing. because he was very supportive and helped out as he could. and was very happy to have that job at the white house. >> martha: i'm sure he was for a short period of time. now for something completely different. taylor swift going after the white house last night at the music awards. and here is -- she was talking about the equality act and the petition. she wants to see the equality act passed and once the white house to get on board fred watch this play >> at the end of this video there was a petition and still is a petition -- [cheers and applause] for the equality act. it now has half a million signatures, which, which is five
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times the amount it would need to warrant a response from the white house. [cheers and applause] >> martha: she is waiting. she is tapping her watch. >> i would love to ask the audience if they even know what the equality act is and is in. >> martha: there are a lot of details paid up of the community believes that it would give them greater equality in the workplace and elsewhere. >> i actually look like the new taylor swift song that is you need to calm down. i can sing it for you if you say it on the street that's a knock out, if you put it in a tweet, that's a cop-out. i love that. that's basically washington in a nutshell. but when hollywood and singers and they all go political, it sounds in the moment like it is very popular. and we have seen so many times where backfires and blows up. but she is somebody who went up against president trump
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head-to-head united states senate race in tennessee and lost candidly. >> martha: can you give her one answer for why doesn't the white house support the equality act? >> the president supports equality, not pieces of legislation that have poison pills in it that can harm other people. look at this economy. it is open to everyone. people have job mobility, deregulation, trying to bring peace and prosperity around the world is supposed to help everyone. but when it something his name to something. it is not truly that. and we have to look at legislation. >> martha: she can come in and you guys can debate. >> giving a shout out to the usmca, that would be great. >> martha: kellyanne conway, thanks. great to have you here. two stories coming ahead as federal prosecutors are about to make public their next move about the deputy fbi director andrew mccabe and the long awaited inspector general report about the origins of the russia
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go beyond the expected, to do the extraordinary. take your business beyond. ♪ >> martha: tonight two stories looking into the so called deep state are about to get their moment in the spotlight. reports suggest that federal prosecutors are very close to making a decision about whether or not they will charge former fbi direct deputy director andrew mccabe who was fired for misleading investigators. meanwhile the doj inspector report into possible foreign surveillance abuses outside of the russia investigation is also expected any day now.
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and could unleash telling and potentially details about the obama justice department's efforts to spy on the trump campaign. byron york has covered the use extensively. is the chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner" and featured on the latest episode of "wise guys" on fox nation. when will we learn about and mccabe's face, and you have a hunch about when it will go? >> i could happen very quickly, look at, we know that the inspector general said that andrew mccabe lacked candor, that's what they call it at the fbi. >> martha: about what? >> he was being questioned about leaking information and had information about the hillary clinton campaign, which he had the permission to do. but did not leak the truth about what he had done. the inspector general pointed that out. the question is will he be
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charged with lying? or was some other thing. we do not know. what the reason that everybody got excited about this. is that we found out that his lawyers have talked to very high-ranking justice department officials and the idea being that they had earlier, must have tried to convince the lower ranking prosecutors not to pursue the case. having failed that, they are now going higher up the ladder. so that seems to indicate the justice department is heading towards an indictment, but we do not know right now. >> martha: he said that he was confused and there was a lot going on at the time as we all remember and that he never intentionally misled anyone. >> right. and he may prevail with that case. there is also word that lisa page who was with peter strzok and was a key player in all of this said that he did not have any reason to live. this is not a done deal, but these high-level meetings indicate that something is going
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on. and we also always have to consider the possibility that there is something happening that we don't know. there is another inspector general report as you just mentioned, going on, we do not know exactly what is being done. >> martha: so bill barr got everyone's attention when he said there was spying. so he came on the scene after jeff sessions left. and he had a very different take when he was shown some of the background and the investigation. and he said that indeed, there was spying. so the horowitz report is looking into that. any also have the durum investigation which could go even further. can you explain that? >> the difference between the two investigations, michael horwitz who is the inspector general of the justice department can only look into the justice department. the fbi and, but he cannot look at the cia. so the big reason that bill barr, the attorney general commissioned this john durum investigation is that he could look beyond the confines of the
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justice department and see what the entire year u.s. government was doing in the lead up to the 2016 election. now the spying thing that caused so much trouble when bill barr said it, we really know a number of things. we know that the fbi got a warrant to wiretap carter page. we know that they used an informant named stefan helper, and we know that they sent an undercover agent, a woman who went by the alias as her turk to london. >> martha: and was spying -- >> there you go, to try to get information under george papadopoulos. and one of the things that bill barr said when he learned these things was okay, was that it? was there more? >> martha: those are the two story lines that we see, and we need to know if there was anything else going on. if there was a conservative effort that there would be other liens that will be dropped in the water to see if anybody enables. >> he made a very persuasive point which is a look at, if the
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fbi saw this as an all-out russian attack on american democracy, you are telling me this is all that we did. it seems like an anemic effort, they must have done more. but what we are hoping to find out, and this michael horowitz report, and this could be a while, all we hear is after labor day, which is soon, but we do not hear a day after labor day, it could be a while. >> martha: all right, byron york, thank you very much. coming up next, trims counteroffensive, smoking out old tweets by journalists and putting them on the hot seat. is that fair game? or foul play? howie kurtz has the scoop coming up next. ♪ you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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♪ >> you know, it is a guy who would just have reporting a couple of days ago that he wants to try to nuke hurricanes. he was a person who is intellectually not a serious person. >> i'm speaking about president trump, his behavior and his instability. the contradictions, the lies, the complete rejection of reality. >> martha: >> martha: the whitee thinks that some of the covers that they get is bias. those are some of the examples that has been made very clear by the white house said the president feels that way. so now "the new york times" has written a story that says that there is an inner network of trump loyalists who are working to smoke out dirt on reporters and journalists and editors by mining their public twitter feeds from years ago, and when they find things that are embarrassing, offensive, biased, they are starting to put it out there. arthur schwartz who is an ally who is part of the efforts we did this.
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if "the new york times" think this settles the matter, we can expose a few of their other bigots, lots more where this came from." here now, howie kurtz, host of "media buzz." good to see you tonight. it is a dirty pool, no doubt about it. but is it fair and legitimate in the world that we live in right now and the unvarnished attack on the president? >> i think it reeks of a double standard for a times new story to complain that trump allies are digging up old tweets by journalists, because journalists use these techniques all the time against politicians including the president. and it seems like these are not going through somebody's garbage, the headline said dirt, but they are public posts made by the journalist who chose to broadcast this to the world. and the "times" story says it is legitimate when journalists use it to hold people accountable which sounds like it is okay for us to do it, not for you to do
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it against people who are forming public opinion through the media. >> martha: "the times" is saying that it is a clear i got you, look out, kind of threat from the white house to reporters to kind of cow them. to make them more compliant. that is the suggestion in the story, what do you about that? >> they say that it is to intimidate and embarrass the press as if many of the press do not do that to the administration all the time. the whole got you game is out of control. digging up stuff that people wrote in college ten years ago. but if that is going to be seen as legitimate news gathering technique for journalists, then they can't very well then turn around and say, stuff that we have written or some of our colleagues have written is somehow magically off-limits. and you know the back story. i know that you can explain at about eight times a senior editor who did some really anti-semitic tweets and got
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called out about it and had to apologize. >> martha: some of these you do not want to put on the screen. none of them, really. but the point can be made, these are public from his twitter feed. this is "new york times" editor, and he said i do not hate mohawk indians. i love those guys. i just hate indians with mohawks. different indians, different mohawks. and that is unkind and insulting. it was written in 2009. that is the most benign of the ones that were in that list. some of these guys are saying that there are 35 years old, 25 years old. they were teenagers in their early 20s and twitter was a barely new thing. and they had ten followers and were kind of joking around with their friends and that they are sorry and they apologize. is that a legitimate response? >> one can understand that in the age that everything lives forever. but some of them were brought anti-semitic tweets that you did not read offended me and lots of
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lots of people. and it's not all in college. the same allies found the cnn editor in 2011 tweeting this disgusting stuff celebrating the death of what he called jewish pigs in an attack on palestinians. so i can't argue that that could be completely off-limits. >> martha: should that person be fired? >> that person resigned under pressure from cnn. >> martha: we saw a roseanne barr lost her job about something she tweeted. we live in a society where people get fired for these things. so should "the new york times" the much more -- have much tougher screwed and tea on these reporters and editors that work for them? >> yes. and in fairness, "the times" fired someone who turned out to be untrue, but my objection is to set up this sort of fake, nonequivalency where you say, well, if we do it against politicians, we are carrying out
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our journalists and protecting democracy, but if somebody blows the whistle on somebody in our organizations, that is a dirty pool. >> martha: if they found one of the inner circle trump people said something like this at the maritimes. >> with any of the information, absolutely not. >> martha: it would never end. there will never be any okay, you were younger when you said that. never any of that forgiveness. interesting. very interesting. thank you, howie. up next again exclusive with the head of the national security division at the justice department, leading the charge and busting people on both sides who are spying for china. even using linkedin, the chinese government to recruit these spies. that's up next. ♪ (speaking japanese) where am i? (woman speaking french) are you crazy/nuts? cyclist: pip! pip! (woman speaking french) i'm here, look at me. it's completely your fault. (man speaking french) ok? it's me. it's my fault?
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♪ >> espionage against the united states is massive, relentless. they are coming after our
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technology. they are coming after a political military secrets. >> martha: that was former chief of counterintelligence at cia headquarters james olson responding to this disturbing report about chinese espionage efforts in the united states. detailing the cases of three former intelligence officers who were successfully recruited by china to spy for them. and they were paid thousands of dollars to hand over u.s. government secrets. my next guest argues china wants america's brainpower to harvest the seeds of its planned economic dominance. and he is leaving the department of justice china initiative to combat the problem. serving as assistant attorney general two with national security. you are on the front lines of this, john, great to have you here tonight. you look look at these three individuals and any american looks at them and thinks, how could you. how could you betray your country when china is so clearly
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trying to harvest, as you say, the brainpower of america? tell me about these three individuals? >> these are three stories of betrayal at the end of the day. betrayal of their country and in some cases betrayal of their former colleagues to the chinese intelligence officers. all three of them are exit u.s. intelligence officers. cia, dia, and they were all recruited by the chinese intelligence services after they left their jobs. so you might think that they are no longer of interest to the chinese, but they are. they still have a lot of information that the chinese want and they still have a lot of contacts back into their intel community colleagues to try to get new information on behalf of the chinese. so two of these cases have pled guilty. one went to trial and was found guilty. >> martha: you say that they betrayed their colleagues, how did that end? >> in the case of kevin malory who went to trial and was found
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guilty, he tried to pass information to his chinese handlers that would have exposed the identities of americans, other cia, dia colleagues who were going to go into china on behalf behalf of the united states. fortunately he did not succeed in doing that. his communications device did not work. so their identities were not revealed. >> martha: if they had been uncovered, what would have happen? >> if they were uncovered and china, at the very least they would have been imprisoned and who knows what else. >> martha: how big a problem is that? those three. what does that tell you about how many more of our former agents might be turning like this? >> there is three. that is unprecedented in number to have at the same time. and if you think about how few people do actually turn, that gives you a sense of how many people the chinese have to approach in order to get three individuals. and of course there are cases that we still may be investigating in cases that we may not know about.
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but you see what a concerted effort the chinese are making at this time, both on the traditional espionage side, which are those cases and on the nontraditional espionage side. >> martha: are we at war? is that what you look at in your line of work? most americans are not walking around thinking about this. but it is ugly and scary. and it looks like it is an enormous problem. >> this is a significant problem. and it is true on the economic espionage side, what they are after is intellectual property of american companies. that could sound abstract. but that means jobs of americans. because the strategy is to rob, replicate, and replace the u.s. products. you rob the u.s. technology and you replicate the product in china, and then he replace that the u.s. company on the global market if all goes well. >> martha: for those of us i remember the cold war and the spy's stories of the cold war,
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is this larger in scale than what we saw from russia? >> it is equivalent to what we saw from russia on the political side, but on the economic side it is much more prevalent in terms of technology just for economic purposes. >> martha: i was also shocked to learn that the chinese government uses linkedin, which i think so many americans have the resume, and using linkedin to reach out to these guys? >> yes, they are. it is an easy way to go on and see what types of people have the experiences that show to the chinese intelligence officers that data someone who works for u.s. intelligence agency. let me reach out to them, obviously they don't reach out as intelligence officers. they reach out as academics or someone who is interested in their work and wants to hire them. and then they invite them to china, and we see that on the political and economic side, invite them to china, and there they continue the cultivation of that person ultimately as a co-op to you.
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>> martha: unbelievable, john demers, thank you. fascinating story. thank you very much. coming up next, the ferguson effect is said to make police officers take a more cautious route on the streets of our cities. for fear that doing their job could lead them to losing their job. and after the firing of officer daniel penta leo, new statistics from the nypd suggesting that this is already happening. >> there is a saying within the police department that has been bantered around for some time that says the job is dead. in reality the job has been dying. and today, the job is dead. ♪
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♪ >> martha: we recently told you about the so-called ferguson effect, when officers fear reprisal for doing their job after investigations clear officers of guilt and controversial and often fatal encounters. and now there is reason to believe that the pantaleo effect may be taking root in new york city, where arrests have plummeted since officer daniel pantaleo was fired earlier this month in the tragic eric garner case. trace gallagher has that story for us tonight.
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hi, trace. >> new york city police officers say that there is no organized slow down. and the union representing the officers say that the cops are doing their job and upholding their oath. by patrick lynn did say "we are urging all new york city police officers to proceed with the most caution in the new reality in which they may be deemed reckless just for doing their job." the union also went after her police commissioner james o'neill for choosing politics over the officers he claimed to lead. o'neill responded that there would not be a slow down in the wake of the penalty of firing. though the numbers tell a different story. august 19th-august 25th of last year there were 4,827 arrests during the same period this year, there were 3,508 arrests. that is a 28% drop. a police officer in the bronx told the corporate because in "the new york post" that the
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stats are lower because officers are taking more time with calls after pantaleo that they want to be more careful. they have to protect themselves, because no one else is going to protect them. but today on fox news, new york state assemblyman said that the public needs police officers to do the opposite. watch. >> you have cops that are out there being proactive, being out in society, stopping criminals from committing the crimes of the first place because they do the investigations instead of what the mayor wants is for them to be reactive. >> it is also notable that in ferguson, missouri, and baltimore, following the death of freddie gray and the prosecution of several police officers when the arrest rates went down, the crime rates went up. new york city commissioner o'neill says that he is confident that his officers will never shy away from running towards danger. others say that hesitation is common when you are not sure who has your back.
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martha. >> very tough situation. trace, thank you very much. now developing another story that we brought you after "the washington post" ran this headline that said counties that hosted a 2016 trump rally saw a 226% increase in hate crimes. that is an eye-catching headline. that claim was widely circulated elsewhere including by 2020 candidate and democratic senator bernie sanders who posted the figure adding, mr. president, stop your racist, hateful, and anti-immigrant rhetoric. your language creates a climate that emboldens extremist. but fact-checking website politifact found the claim to be half true. and my next guest argues that there is a problematic reality about the underlying numbers in the study that are at the source of the headline that went viral. here now is robbie sauve, associate editor. good to have you with us.
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at 226% sounds like an enormous jump in hate crimes in the places that hosted trump rallies. that is an eye-catching headline. what do -- did you find when you delve into that number? >> it sounds massive, but there are more counties in america than there were counted in the instance. you can have one county was zero hate crimes and one with three and that would be a 200% increase, but three more than sounds like it is massive.200% more importantly inwas not cons. that seems important. it was measuring anti-semitic incidents. to some bad stuff in there, to be sure, but a lot of schoolyard bullying was actually counted in there. a student saying mean things to each other for anti-semitic reasons. bad stuff, that does not count as a hate crime. that is what went into the study. and i'm not sure how that relates to what trump says at
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his rallies, i understand that it is immigrant tensions or tensions of muslims, but this was only looking at anti-semitism. so it does not add up to me. >> martha: if they had said that in places where trump holds rallies, there has been an increase in anti-semitic insults or bullying or attacks, that would've been an accurate headline? based on the way that they did it. >> i think that we all would've said why is that? this is not a scientific survey, it's just people reporting these things when they happen to the adl, so it could be more people are interested or attuned to what is happening politically if trump is in the neighborhood and we are fired up. >> martha: the bernie sanders campaign taking off on it and putting it out there, does not seem like there is a lot of responsibility in that. >> he made it seem like trump showed up and the hate crimes spiked up 200%. and ilhan omar tweeted or shared
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it as well. >> martha: she said this to president, stop your racist rhetoric. you do not want to see any of these kinds of attacks. but it is very easy to just grab these numbers and sort of attribute that to directly back to the president. we have done similar stories with police brutality and all of these issues where you actually have to what you do at reason.com is actually take it back on the numbers. the people that did that study, you spoke to them and said that they need to revise it, correct? >> from questions they have gone from me and others was that they were going to get some hate crime data and see if it holds up. i just think that you have to be careful about scaring people into thinking that everything is worse than it is. obviously hate crimes happen and they are bad. i hope that law enforcement takes them seriously when we are talking about violence and assault, but we should not be scaring people into thinking that the country has never been a worst shape when the statistics do not bear that out. >> martha: you have to rely on the actual numbers and when
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using a study that way that does not support what you're saying, obviously that is very problematic. and just quickly before i let you go, there was a piece in "the washington post" that showed that the number of hate crimes that were being registered with the police department's and washington was skyrocketing, but the number of prosecutions for hate crimes was falling dramatically or was only at 3 compared to 200 some incidents that were reported. and in other cities, san francisco, brooklyn, seattle, those numbers are closer together. they tend to prosecute the hate crimes more. >> it is a problem if people are going free when they committed assault or violence, but these people were still going to jail. they just were not being prayer prosecutor for the additional hate crime, that is very hard to find. but my bottom line is that as long as violent dangerous people are being put away, i don't care if we are adding all of the additional sentencing. >> martha: some of the people
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