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report," chris wallace's interview with the iranian president hassan ronnie. as for the markets, the final bell is ringing and they have been reacting throughout the day to the news out of washington. it has been turbulent but they reacted only down a percentage point. "your world" starts right now. >> fast-moving developments where speaker nancy pelosi is huddled behind closed doors with the president expected to announce a formal impeachment inquiry. at the same time president trump says he will release the full unredacted transcript of this call with the ukrainian president tomorrow. he says he has done nothing wrong. stocks rocked on each and every move, the dow moving down for the session. i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto and this is your world. we are here with mike emanuel on capitol hill. we begin with mike. >> charles, good afternoon to you.
house democrats are now about to meet behind closed doors where we expect house speaker nancy pelosi to lay out why she is now in favor of moving forward with impeachment proceedings against president trump, following that phone call with the ukrainian president. we have seen a steady momentum in terms of house democrats going forward in the last several days, at least in impeachment inquiry into what is known and whether it basically merits going forward with an impeachment vote on the house floor. so we expect the statement from the speaker later this afternoon, about an hour or so after that. she's been meeting with some of the top lieutenant committee chairs and house of representatives to talk about going forward. on the senate side of the capital mitch mcconnell sub it's premature to talk about getting an impeachment vote handed over and what the senate would do with it. mcconnell says they will handle the situation in a bipartisan fashion in the senate
intelligence committee. there are plenty of politics going into all of this as you have democrats crisscrossing the early primary states, running for president, and of course the entire house of representatives is on the ballot next year. so already you are seeing that and some of the moderate swing districts republicans are saying, ha ha. democrats are going forward with the left base on this one, but bottom line, plenty of politics. we expect to hear more on that in an hour. >> charles: now to john roberts. >> the president has been fine with impeachment talk as it's gone along. there's a technical problem with the playback of that video but we should have it for you shortly. the president is saying it's a positive for him if democrats decide to move forward with this and that they will lose the election if you go ahead and move toward impeachment. the president has had for months
now how do you impeach a president that has been responsible at least partly for the history of this country. they don't know how exactly they are moving ahead on impeachment about right now. and we also did do not know the phone call. in the president is going to release it. currently at the united nations representing our country that have authorized the release tomorrow to complete fully declassified and unredacted you will see it was very friendly and totally appropriate call. this is nothing more than a
continuation of the greatest and most destructive witch hunt of all time. the president says much the sa same. >> president trump: there was never any quid pro quo, the letter was beautiful. what he said was, a hara. ask how his son made millions of dollars for the ukraine and made millions of dollars from china. what he did was, with us there is no pressure applied in no nothing. >> charles: the president referencing a few times a letter and that was a misspeak, he met a telephone call. then there was the issue of money from ukraine that was withheld back in july, some $390 million. in a phone call which happens to be -- rob portman urge the
president to release $250 million to military assistance in ukraine. >> my advocacy is so that the ukrainians can defend themselves. it would be provided to the ukrainians. that was a reason that i was given as to why the funds were not being released. and i agree with that. and nato, in particular, that our european allies were not pulling their weight and at no time did he ever mention an investigation of joe biden or hunter biden and their involvement in the ukraine.
>> charles: so if democrats moved forward with impeachment could it backfire? let's ask johanna caldwell. let me start with you. nancy pelosi has pushed back and pushed back and maybe it's a tidal wave now. it's so amazing that she might be able to go through with this with so very little -- we don't know a lot about the whistle-blower situation. >> i don't see this as procedural and she made that point. when we look at the history of impeachment it sets a precedent. right now we have a whistle-blower report that the white house still hasn't handed over to congress even though congress has been asking for it. you want a whistle-blower to be able to go through the proper government channels to give any information of wrongdoing through those channels instead of going outside of those channels. and so she is saying we have to file -- or she will say at 5:00 what her next step is to get the procedure in place.
>> charles: so it's not an official impeachment inquiry? >> she's going to speak at 5:00 o'clock. >> charles: they are trying to get the whistle-blower to come before the panel in a closed session this week. that would seem perhaps a way to go about this and investigate the allegations before saying, we are going full blown impeachment. >> i have to say that i was myself and that is why trump called zielinski in the first place, which was to congratulate him. i need to mention that because there has to be context here. a lot of people think the president called zielinski out of the blue. but a lot of things have been lost in the shuffle. i have to wonder what the democrats were doing. my understanding is, there was
an op-ed in "the washington post" overnight by a bunch of freshmen democrats was the thing that pushed nancy pelosi over the edge to decide if this time despite her own reluctance -- and i think she's very smart to be reluctant on that. we will look at the entire thing, unredacted and recall how mike unclassified. this makes the stakes even higher for nancy pelosi. >> and i have to tell you, i'm sure for those at home they are seeing a circus with all speculation and no facts. as you mentioned earlier there should be an investigation. we should learn what happened before there's a line up of people saying, let's impeach the president. truthfully speaking, there are about 40% that supported and a lot of folks on the left that supportive and independence truly don't. unless there's something hard-hitting and this is setting themselves up for an election
failure then -- >> charles: it has to be so hard-hitting that you could get a republican-controlled senate to go through because up until then it's really something just for public consumption. it wouldn't go all the way through. >> but taking a step back looking at the whistle-blower's and with the procedures are, as an american you want them to go through the government procedure. i've been at the white house when we've had people do the opposite and it does not resound. the opposite is when we have leaks that go to wikileaks or people who have intelligence and daily get to the press without context, you wanted to go through the proper channels because this is not that hearing. >> and we have -- that's a
release announcing for consideration regarding whistle-blower complaints. and the need to protect so we will hear the transcript but see the transcript tomorrow unredacted. how does this change the calculus of the press release and the announcement that we had a question mark >> i think donald trump wasn't very smart, he'd been resisting putting this transcript out and i don't blame him. you do want to know if he did something inappropriate but at the same time if they talked about russia for example. do you want that made public? ukraine needs a lot of help with russia and perhaps they talked about that. nancy pelosi should really have the democratic candidate in 2020 make a place with the american people. >> earlier this speculation was he would demand impeachment but he didn't go that far just
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>> charles: that you are looking live at capitol hill, house speaker nancy pelosi, and when she talks, we will bring her to you live. all of this is coming from former vice president and 2020 presidential hopeful joe biden pushing lawmakers on enforcement will make impeachment today. mark delaware the latest. >> charles: charles, biden accused president trump of abusing his power. he said the turn over documents as part of his oversight authority, then lawmakers would have no choice and would have to
begin the impeachment process. here's what the former vice president had to say moments ago. >> president trump: i can take the political attack. they will, and they will go and in time they will be forgotten. but if we allow a president to get away with shredding the united states constitution, that will last forever. using his full constitutional authority and demanding information -- the president does not comply with such a request to the congress, and continues to obstruct congress to flaunt the law. donald trump believe congress no choice but to initiate impeachment and that would be a tragedy. but, a tragedy of his own maki making. >> charles: that was a former vice president just moments ago here in delaware.
it was a very formal set up in this ballroom, the former vice president reading off of the teleprompter but he did not take any questions. there was a roomful of media there, many curious about knowing more about the former vice president's son hunter biden and his relationship with business in ukraine but, he decided not to take any questions, only delivering those remarks. he also said it's up to the president to decide with how to move forward with things here and how he complies with the congresses demand including the whistle-blowers complaint. >> charles: thank you very much. i want to let the audience know that we just saw the house speaker nancy pelosi arrive so at the top, and five is probably when we will hear from her. james, we do have some more breaking development here. apparently the department of justice lawyers as well as the leaders of the white house have asking them to release the july
phone call. it will be released tomorrow. >> and i think when we find out based on the facts so far i think a lot of americans are going to conclude that someone should have been raising this issue of joe biden and his sons business in the ukraine. i think to take away for a lot of people, our colleague was saying there were a lot of questions and he said in the press conference it would be forgotten. but i think people will be left with this question of how was his son able to maintain a lucrative job with the ukrainian company while as vice president, mr. biden is pressuring the president to get rid of a prosecutor. >> some say it's not unusual for foreign companies to invite prominent americans to join
their board. >> the question of what are the rules here versus they are. this is a law firm in the ukraine and he pointed out that in the ukraine we don't -- they don't have the rules we have. in other words a u.s. company if it wanted to go overseas and hire a vice president's son and some other country their legal department would say hold on, there's a lot of risk here. whereas in the ukraine you wouldn't have any of those kind of restrictions on the ukrainian energy company hiring of joe biden for 50 grand a month. and that's what's raising a lot of these questions. what was the value that hunter biden was adding for $50,000 per month. >> and then of course there's a video that most of our viewers may have seen with vice president biden at the council of foreign relations, reenacting the scene of the pressure that he put on the ukraine back then. >> that's right. he was demanding a specific
action in his and the president fired the prosecutor who was looking into the company who is paying mr. biden's son 50 grand per month. and that was true until earlier this year. i think this is going to be a hard issue to explain and what mr. biden has done until this point has said it, i don't talk about it with my family members. i don't talk about their outside business. that's really not acceptable for me from a standpoint of appropriate management of conflict of interest. he should be telling his family members, knock it off if you are doing business that is based on my official position. >> are you surprised that he did stop short of demanding impeachment saying we should be able to get these documents or investigate that and if the white house does not cooperate then we can go down the impeachment route? particularly ahead of nancy pelosi's big blockbuster
comments that are happening moments from now. >> i think mr. biden has a sensible position because of this point there was a lot of language there about impeachment and trashing the constitution. but, what exactly is the law that is violated by this phone call? and i don't see it. >> charles: let's go to arizona republican debbie lesko. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. one is a fast-moving development in washington, d.c., where are we now? >> i think if the democrats move forward, it will help republicans. i go out and about and people want congress to work together, republicans and democrats to get big issues done, like securing our border. lowering health care costs. all this impeachment stuff is driving the common person crazy. and i serve on rules committees so at 5:00 today we will be
talking about this resolution that democrats want to push forward on the ukraine. then of course if nancy pelosi announces that 5:00 that we are going into impeachment than i say, republicans are going to win next time around. >> charles: how do you feel about the idea that adam schiff is putting forward the idea of whistle-blowers behind closed doors? >> i find everything that he says hard to believe because for two years he was claiming and said that he had evidence that president trump colluded with russia and then the molar report comes out and it was totally false. so it was a little hard for me to believe everything he says. of course we want to get to the bottom of everything. i believe in transparency. but this is so partisan. i serve on the judiciary committee to end every single day we have multiple hearings per week and it's all about
bashing president trump, his administration. there was another one that happened today, earlier this morning. it's just -- it's getting really irritating to tell you the truth, we are not getting done. the democrats, all they care about is influencing the 2020 election and it's so obvious. speak one nancy pelosi is bristled at the fact that all they do is legislate. virtually everyone in this country wants to see usmca pass. it's our largest trading partners. farmers wanted, unions want to date, small busines operators w. they all take a backseat may be to never see the light of day. >> you are absolutely right. i said you guys the democrats
are so obsessed about taking out donald trump that you can't deal with the normal issues that americans want us to do. there are so many things that we could work together on but it's so difficult that all they do every day especially in this judiciary committee is bash the president of the united states and his administration. last week they were bashing law enforcement and brought up corey lewandowski. today it was all about the so-called muslim travel ban which isn't a muslim travel ban, it's all in a continued effort to undermine president trump to come up with anything to try to impeach him on. for two years they said that president trump had colluded with russia and then it came out that no it didn't happen and now they had to switch to obstruction of justice. they brought in robert mueller himself and that flopped for them and they are trying
anything and everything. they don't even have the full story on this ukrainian whistle-blowers stuff and they are still calling for impeachment. it's amazing to me. >> charles: i think there is impeachment fatigue and putting the cart before the horse. lots will happen in the next 24 hours. i really appreciate you taking the time out. now come to fox's chad pergram who is on the capitol hill with the very latest. what's happening now? >> there was a lengthy meeting that house speaker pelosi had to walk them through next steps. richard neal who is the chair of ways and means and eliot engel from new york, the democrat who represents a bronx as the chair of the foreign affairs committee, walking them through what was next. i talked to adam schiff and he came out and said there will be an effort to get the whistle-blower whoever he or she is before his committee and a closed session this week.
now, house speaker nancy pelosi said the acting director of national intelligence will appear before the intelligence committee in an open session on thursday. if both the house and senate intelligence committee are trying to find out as much as they can. here's the other news flash. as speak right now, about two floors below me, nancy pelosi is walking the democratic congress through every drop and tittle of this. she is explaining what the next step is for the committees and the formalization of the impeachment process. shortly after 5:00, and i say shortly after 5:00 because usually the democratic caucus meetings don't it on time. the timing around this place is not exactly swift. i'm told that nancy pelosi will talk two or 3 minutes. and republicans at some point, the republican party will talk just a few feet away from where
i am in response to house speaker nancy pelosi. here's one of the key thing is, we keep talking about the political ramifications. i want to read you a statement from tom emmer who is a republican congressman from minnesota. he chairs what is known here as the nrcc which is the national republican congressional committee. and from his perspective and, this is what the congresswoman was referring to, this is a field day for the republicans. he said for the past three years this socialist democrats have been in obsessed with impeaching the president and back filling the reason after-the-fact. they are so localized that they are willing to plunge the unites states into an crisis. now this is the unanswered question. the reason that democrats were
unwilling to do if their toe into the impeachment water is they want all of these districts with moderate democrats who are resistant to democrat road trump districts. it will be very touchy politics, charles, if democrats are to retain the house. and if the public perceives this isn't a bridge that's not too far. now make no mistake, this is about intelligence and this is about the alleged transgressions but, this comes to policies and the political sides are so engaged on this. >> how does the announcement that president trump will be -- how does that change the political calculations for nancy pelosi? >> wildlife he puts it out there and it's a nothing burger than that's a problem but keep in mind is that a lot of democrats can look at other things. if talked about his tax returns and tom began and other
administration prep officials being unwilling to present information. but nancy pelosi and i said this on the air last hour, this is one of the most important points. the fact that nancy pelosi viewed what was happening to the whistle-blower was a far place for her. she served on the intelligence committee and as speaker of the house to get special access to intelligence and permission. she is and the speaker, the minority and majority leader are briefed. perhaps there was something that she was privy to and may be a was just an issue where she says they are going too far and we need to step in. she was probably getting pressure for some of the democrats. keep in mind there was an op-ed written by these freshman democrats with national security backgrounds in "the washington post" today.
she takes the temperature and gauges where they are and says okay, maybe we need to do this. now just because you are formalizing or opening an impeachment inquiry does not mean that you are going to impeach the president. i have a saying appear on capitol hill that i use for years and this is probably most important thing to know, it's about the math. now what we have had is tens of thousands of democrats come out in the last 24 hours saying they are either for impeachment for impeachment inquiry. they are not to 298 votes yet. so she was getting the sense that she needs to may be up the ante and the impeachment game but impeaching the president of the united states, the votes are there for that just yet. >> charles: chad, vice president joe biden made a statement today and said if the
investigation of the white house does not cooperate cooperate then they will go for impeachment? she is giving them the opportunity to provide documents and see if there is any there, they are. or if there is smoke and fire. then she has the wherewithal to return to her caucus or the committees doing investigations an end say, is certainly something easy here. keep in mind when the crafters continued the constitution, they viewed it as a political debate. a design that they were setting up in the constitution of the united states. that's why they wanted to have a political outcome if you are to impeach a president or cabinet official or supreme court justice, it would go before a body of the united states senate and if you didn't convict the person then they would be electoral consequences for that individual.
so this is a political effort. i'm reminded by the effort with nixon that there were pretty clear votes to impeach him in 1974. some of the republicans you might talk to in late 1998, and they were asked why are you doing this and reese like they said because we can. they clearly hear at the votes it is a political calculation. >> charles: it looks like the moderate democrats have been something like the silent majority thus far and it you talked about nancy pelosi putting that together, thank you very much.
we will he have continuing coverage on impeachment proceedings against president trump. here's bret baier. >> this is a fox news alert. fox news world headquarters in new york, and we are awaiting a statement from house speaker nancy pelosi live on capitol hill following a meeting with her democratic colleagues about whether or not to go forward with impeachment proceedings. nancy pelosi has resisted those we are getting reporting that in fact the speaker will call for a formal inquiry.
the president here in new york, chief white house correspondent john roberts is traveling with the president here and spend the day at the u.n. we thought we would be taking foreign policy and here we are about impeachment. in the striking moment is this will go forward without knowing what all is in the call or the inquiry. >> the democrats are about to leave off of a very big cliff here, to investigate impeachment. because we do not know what was in the phone call. we will know sometime tomorrow because trump that he is going to release a complete unredacted version of the transcript of that call which probably means he got the position of the ukrainian president. i think as a courtesy where he would have to reach out to zelinski and say, is it okay if i do this. secondly they have no idea what is in this complaint to the intelligence community
inspector general. we do know that the person who filed the complaint does not have firsthand knowledge of what was in that call. so it may well be at some point tomorrow everyone in america who reads this transcript will have exactly the same amount of information as this whistle-blower dead. we are hearing some reports that there were some other things of the whistle-blower was concerned about as well. the democrats are about to take a high dive into a very shallow pool, one that may turn out to be deep but at the moment we don't know how deep. speak to we are following it all and in and an interview with who sound whiny, crisp. first of all, your reaction to this and give us a little tease about the interview. >> it is an extraordinary development and what's so interesting is that the
investigation of alleged russian collusion and alleged obstruction of justice went on for the better part of two years. nancy pelosi was able to put the brakes on, and then we have the mueller testimony, and she was able to slow it down to control it. it really does seem as if in the last week this has become a stampede, an avalanche. and it seems that nancy pelosi has made a political calculation, whatever the risks are, of moving towards not impeachment about an impeachment inquiry, and investigation, and now i certainly would say it seems odd that they make this
decision today besides the conversation between president trump and the then president-elect of the ukraine. we also -- we know on thursday that the head -- the director of national intelligence on the inspector general are going to talk before congress so even if they were to wait 48 hours they would know a lot more in making this specific division than they would today that's one thing, people always say what -- she knows how to count. and she seems to have made a calculation, and again. it's an impeachment inquiry, proceeding that at this point he has to at least go this far or she may lose control of the caucus. >> charles: and it's a moderates that makes a difference of whether they are going forward and it seemed to be shifting as of this morning and late last night on some of
those calculations. i want to toss to what i think is a promo sound bite from this interview with the iranian president and, set it up for us, would you please chris? >> president trump: we have tonight an exclusive interview with the president. his speech to the year when talked about blood lust and a fanatical quest, talked about the iranian leadership seeking power and riches at the expense of the iranian people. the president is going to be speaking to the u.n. tomorrow but he gave us an exclusive interview today, some 20 minutes. and you will see how completely different the views of the americans and the iranians are on some very basic issues.
>> mr. president, you heard president trump in speech today. you said no nation should support, and as i said blood lust and the response for nuclear weapons. your response? the country that is present and flying over and turning the soul -- today america is the supporter of teller victim mike terre mission in our weekend back region. terrorism has expanded in their wake.
and ron is the number one state-sponsored terrorism in the world. or you have the president vary back and say, those of the united states. what struck me in the 20 minutes we spoke was these two countries, these two leaders, iran at the united states see the world completely differently. when i talked to president rouhani about their moves to breach the iran nuclear deal to start adding two enrichment stockpiles using centrifuges, delighted to rick the deal, even talked yes, about the united states dropping the first and only nuclear bombs on civilian territory back in japan at the end of world war ii. so these are two countries that see things completely
differently. no sign at all of any rough >> that was going to be driving our news coverage earlier today and it may still come up big news. but we are waiting on speaker nancy pelosi to make the announcement and we expected to be a formal your thoughts on this day as we get ready to see this unfold? >> one of the things that strikes me as president trump made a decision today to try to get out in front of some of this project. once that impeachment of all kind of started rolling in the be became clear he jumped in front and said, we are going to release the entire transcript. like he said when he spoke to reporters this morning, let's get it out there and see what people think. so that was -- he wants the
intern to get a look at this thing. we will see how they feel about it before the process moves forward, and it is, really is very simple just so where the course of the over next three days. if we look for impeachment in the country i and the latest numbers we have had prior to the cruise that came out. but during the mueller report, 41% were interested in moving forward so wrong that's one of the big factors here. >> charles: at one of the things that his internal debate about the call is that, whether you put it out, active reporting is that the attorney general and
white house counsel may be pushing to put it out but the secretary of state is saying, you don't want foreign leaders saying i don't want to recall to be out. >> there is that president and there is the slippery slope where the transcript is, like you give a mouse a cookie. then the republican is saying you want the transcript of the obama calls. then there's the idea of the redaction and the president has said it won't be redacted. we don't yet have the sound from president trump as he was meeting with the iraqi president but i do have a pretty accurate quote from the print pool when he was asked about nancy pelosi to do's and the president said well i haven't heard this. it's just a continuation of the witch hunt and it's a worse witch hunt in political history. we have the strongest economy we've ever had and the best unemployment numbers we've ever had and this is sort of boilerplate stuff he says. asian american, african-american and hispanic-american list in
the country, we rebuild our military. and that's something that she would like to impeach. that's actually 10% higher than that and says the democrats will lose the election. here's the direct quote. if she does that they all say that's a positive for me in the election. so we are hoping the pool is back at the trump hotel. >> charles: as soon as we get it we will put it on air here. and shockingly, and looking at the transcript and maybe it's different than what i'm seeing. they didn't ask specifically about the call. and they say don't -- zielinski
said what do they expect? we are already a strong state, the greatest, and we are a strong people. nothing in there about the phone call with the president, nothing in there about whether there was a quid pro quo. nothing in there about, was the president trying to get them to investigate joe and hunter bid biden. >> before the u.n. wraps up he here, martha, the moderates i mentioned are shifting. there was a tectonic shift over the last 24 hours. >> it was interesting because one of the people behind that shift, and you have to ask the question, why would you not want to say, put the brakes on this. the president has already confirmed that they discuss that issue on the call so perhaps for
them that was enough. president seems to feel strongly and that was that they didn't feel any pressure in that interview, that perhaps people's interpretation of it will change. the president has clearly said he didn't think he did anything wrong. and it appears that he doesn't see anything wrong with that at all and can't buy that movie even now. >> charles: let's get reaction from senior political analyst brit hume. let's get your analysis. >> my first thought is that president trump would not release this transcript if it were not exculpatory. if it would not help his case that he did nothing improper. apparently he's been urged by a number of those around him to do just that.
so, then where is the state of play. it appears to me that that might well take some of the wind out of the sails of the whole effort by the house democrats. that's doing their best overtime to tamp down and keep a hand over it. but obviously the pressure has grown to great and she's doing that in the first step manner. but i wonder what will happen of course, there will be some people complaining that the transcript is probably fake, and then, there will be a call to release the whistle-blower report which will probably happen one way or another in the fullness of time. but given the fact that it was secondhand and apparently based
on -- >> charles: let me interrupt you. oh, i thought nancy pelosi was coming to the microphone. go ahead. >> given the fact it was like nana based on the substance of the phone call, if the transcript of the phone call doesn't reveal anything very, you kind of wonder where this thing goes. here she comes. >> charles: no, she moved on. keep going. >> so my first thought is that, what happens tomorrow will give us a fresh perspective on the whole thing. it looks like it's moving like a freight train right out on the tracks, toward a first the impeachment inquiry and then perhaps something more. but after tomorrow it will be interesting to see if it looks the same and i have my doubts. >> charles: as we are looking at the floor of the senate there are not enough votes to show the house move forward with impeachment in the senate, and obviously it's are republicans. joe biden came out before once this all started snowballing
today. the former vice president came out and said he had and an announcement to make and held a press available at made a speech. take a listen to part of it. >> you can continues to obstruct congress and flaunt the wall, donald trump will lead congress and in my view no choice but to initiate impeachment. that would be a tragedy but a tragedy of his own making. >> charles: in your thoughts on how the vice president is reacting to this and dealing with this considering that it deals with him and his son as well? >> there is some peril for the democrats and former vice president biden in this which is to say that his son no doubt in part to the fact that he was joe biden's son have these dealings in the ukraine and also in china. it is the case where vice president biden went over to the ukraine and got a package of usaid guarantee is in his hip
pocket, the ukrainians had been waiting and he told them that they weren't going to get it unless he hired a prosecutor who was at the time conducting an investigation which implicated the company for which hunter biden was working. now all of that turns out that it might have been on the up and up but it doesn't look good. at a minimum, even the circumstances involving hunter biden and that company, joe biden should probably not have been the messenger who deliver that particular message to the ukraine. so that we'll all get drawn into this and there will be further people looking into and examining hunter biden's business contacts while his father was vice president and all that. so this does hold some peril for the democrats and four vice president biden and one wonders why the democrats were so eager to do that in view of the fact that he will be drawn into it inevitably.
>> charles: i'm getting word from some people on capitol hill that he will ask committee chairs and leaders to put together their arguments and send it to judiciary and then judiciary will decide whether it impeachment impeachment articles. before being in the anchor chair, he covered the house, the senate, capitol hill for a long time, you know the impeachment process from the clinton years, and it it takes former action to initiate. >> the house actually has to act to convince an informal impeachment proceeding. and there is a benefit to doing that to the investigators, which, once you get an impeachment process underway it empowers the investigators then to have access to information you might otherwise not be able to. so there is some power in that that investigators want to have.
so the steps that you just cited sound to me like they may fall short of that. we might be a couple steps away and that's hard for me to imagine it if the possibility of impeachment especially referring to jerrold nadler nadler, that won't be exactly what happens. but it made me lose some time off. >> charles: britt, stand by if you would. let's get the latest capitol hill. mike emanuel joins us from the there. >> we been showing our viewers the senate floor and there has been some action on the senate floor, a sense of the resolution on might finding that it was passed by unanimous consent. that says that this complaint that was received by the intelligence community is an inspector general on august 12 should be transmitted immediately to the intelligence committee and the united states senate. that's worth noting that the intelligence committee on the senate side of the capital has been very cooperative working in bipartisan fashion on all these
investigations over the last several years. so senate democratic leader chuck schumer basically wanted to put all of republicans on the record, the republican majority, whether or not they want to this report to be sent over to the intelligence community to be looked at it in fashion. in fact and in a unanimous consent vote, not binding or any piece to it, but basically putting the entire united states senate on the record saying that they would get a closer look at this whistle-blower complaint which basically led to so much attention and calls to impeachment on the south side of the capital. >> we've been here on capitol hill and what we are looking at going forward is, they are eager to get their hands on the report from the intelligent inspector general, that whistle-blower complaint turned in august 12 about the president's communications with the ukrainian president.
some have suggested that it was not first-hand knowledge, that it was gained from secondhand knowledge to talking to other folks but the lawmakers we handle intelligence matters, very sensitive matters, and it's worth saying that the intelligence community has not been full of leaks as partisan as the house side or the capital has been. so within the last few minutes without this and basically taking this action of unanimous consent to get that whistle-blower report here to capitol hill. >> charles: mike emanuel, live on the hill. we are waiting for house speaker nancy pelosi to arrive there. she just walked by during brit hume's comments earlier and we expect her to move forward with, as we mentioned, a formal impeachment inquiry. back with john roberts and martha maccallum here. martha, one of the things that we are going to be watching is where these democrats who just won in 2018 and districts that
donald trump carried in 2016, where they will come down on this process? a lot of them have been reticent to jump off the cliff. >> martha: and those are exactly the people who are going to be -- why we look at some of these polls. i also think about senator dick durbin who just last week, when the idea of impeaching brett kavanaugh came up, said all right already. we kick off the president, and since he said that this new issue of the ukraine may come up. he sees this as a serious valid grounds for impeachment that may come up. those members in the districts may perhaps take some very difficult votes and that's why nancy pelosi has been so hesitant all through the mueller. to move forward on this. the report that president trump has gone over to president
president trumps towers perhaps to watch this moment as it unfolds, moments from now. and also the senate has now approved that the whistle-blower complaint should be released. these are things we want to make tough decisions on. >> bret: getting the word that cloak rooms have pushed forward transcripts from the whistle-blower. they are trying to basically throw cold water on this announcement at 5:00 p.m. we have two things, the transcript of the call that the president has now authorized to release tomorrow but you have the whistle-blower's complaint that has been held up by the department of national intelligence. >> and we know from a statement that was released by the general counsel for the office of the director national intelligence why the complaint was not forwarded to congress because a complaint does not deal with somebody who is in the
intelligence community and therefore there is not the statutory authority for the o.d. and i to pass that along to congress. we are told also, the complaint makes it very clear, that the whistle-blower did not have firsthand knowledge of what was said i in the phone call between the president and zielinski. >> bret: and just think about that, we've dealt with the day and a half of every kind of comment about this complaint. this person did not have first-hand knowledge. in other words didn't hear it or have knowledge. >> a very source, there is a director of national intelligence to say that whether there's a whistle-blower, him or her, we do not know, as taken a step to appear before congress in some way, shape, or form. that would probably be an interview behind closed doors with either the house or the
senate. they say that official notification has been given to the at the ni. >> bret: the democrats are now saying okay, it's not the call or the whistle-blower, that's what president trump and rudy giuliani have said publicly over the last year and a half. that has now move this ball forward. >> martha: and one other point to john second point which has also been and misinterpreted by a lot of people, even nancy pelosi, at an event last night and in the event today said because that seven-day period wasn't recognized on that information taken over to congress, that it shall be shared with congress. that would enough in itself cause someone to dig into this. and yet the office of inspector general for any agency deals with people who work within that agency and so that's a different thing that has not been acknowledged at all by too many of the people who have been
talking about this. >> and the general counsel in the statement reese received yesterday said they consulted with the inspector general about this end of this decision was not made to pass into congress. >> bret: andy mccarthy joins us now. your thoughts on this as it's been developing? i know you've written about it in the past couple days. your thoughts >> i think this may actually be a pretty sophisticated way for speaker pelosi to put the brakes on this thing. having, just having an impeachment inquiry is kind of like the prosecutor convening a grand jury. it doesn't require you to do anything. it doesn't require you actually to return charges. it is the appearance of progress in the investigation. here, we have a situation where
the judiciary committee, which would actually be the anchor of this kind of process, the chairman, jerry nadler has been telling everyone up until now that he's actually doing an impeachment inquiry. our complaint about that is that it's never been formally commissioned or formally voted. now, all that's happened is, they are going forward with it. that doesn't make them do anything. >> bret: andy, thank you. you are looking live on capitol hill. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in new york. speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, getting ready to meet with reporters and talk about what is coming. this is fox news coverage of house speaker, nancy pelosi make it an announcement about how she plans to handle the growing calls for impeachment proceedings from her follow dominic fellow democrats. "the five" will be joining us shortly. i'm bret baier.
a shifting situation with moderate democrats moving towards this impeachment inquiry, all over president trump's phone call with the ukrainian leader. a phone call which is alleged that he said that joe biden, the former vice president should be investigated, and that he wanted the ukrainians to do it. the alleged phone call interaction was that he was holding back money for the ukrainians. military funding for the ukrainians, calling for this investigation. however, we don't know what exactly is in that phone call. we don't know exactly what the whistle-blower and the intelligence committee has set in the complaint. and now, nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house. >> nancy: last tuesday, the adoption of the constitution on september 17th. sadly, on that