tv Special Report With Bret Baier FOX News October 29, 2019 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
>> the nanny cam i ever saw. >> i would be very upset. >> it's like insurance fraud. >> set your dvrs, never miss an episode of this wonderful show, "the five." speed 27, hey, bright, would charles krauthammer have enjoyed those games? >> bret: i think it would just like seeing the world series but they got to win one tonight. good evening, i'm bret baier, breaking tonight, we have three big stories we are following. the text of the resolution laying out the impeachment inquiry procedure is out ahead of the vote later this week. a purple heart recipient who was on the phone call between president trump and the ukrainian president tells congress he raised concerns at the time, saying it was not proper to demand a foreign government investigator u.s. citizen. in the ncaa reverses course, allowing athletes to be paid for their names, images and likenesses. we start tonight though on capitol hill with two big developments with the impeachment inquiry.
it looks like republicans will get the boat on impeachment procedure they've been demanding. if the party leadership tonight however is encouraging a no vote. the resolution allows for open intelligence committee hearings and the house minority can request witnesses and introduce evidence, but only with agreement from the democrats. one witness is still testifying on capitol hill at this hour. lieutenant colonel alexander lindeman dressed in military blue uniform, the first official who listened in on that phone call to testify. we have fox team coverage done it, john roberts looks at the administration response to the resolution and the testimony ca. >> within the last hour house republican aides told reporters the resolution allows democrats to "curate the narrative" and limit access for the president's counsel to witness evidence as democrats take a quote on my formal step towards codifying their investigation.
the house democratic majority it made official, releasing the text of a resolution formally affirming and impeachment inquiry head of a planned thursday for vote. "the house authorizes the committee on the judiciary to conduct proceedings relating to the impeachment inquiry, including such procedures as to allow for the participation of the president and his counsel." republicans said the move prove their point, that the democrat-led inquiry is unfair. >> the resolution that was filed today, speaker pelosi affirms the soviet style process that's been going on and continues to deny due process. >> colonel, vindman, will you take some questions? >> according to his prepared remarks, alexander vindman, told investigators behind closed doors told them "i am not the whistle-blower," but he added "i did convey certain concerns internally to national security officials in accordance with my decades of experience in
training, sense of duty, and obligation to operate within the chain of command." unlike previous witnesses, vindman says he has direct knowledge of the july 25th phone call between president trump and the recently-elected ukrainian leader, which launched the democrats' impeachment inquiry. "i listened in on the call. i did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigator u.s. citizen, and i was worried about the implications for the u.s. government support of ukraine." house lawmakers debated the significance of vindman's testimony along familiar party lines. >> the transcripts get released for today's deposition, you will see just how much you were misled. you will see just how much you have been misled on so many different depositions on so many different days. >> this is about the united states constitution. this is about the rule of law. this is about national security. this is about abuse of power. this is about the fact that the president betrayed his oath of
office. >> vindman told investigators that last summer all was going well until the ukrainians broached a meeting between president trump and his ukrainian counterpart, at which point vindman claims ambassador gordon sondland "started to speak about ukraine delivering specific investigations in order to secure the meeting. i stated to ambassador sondland that his statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate biden and his son had nothing to do with national security." >> house republicans also accused democratic chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff of shutting down multiple lines of questioning today, including who vindman talked to immediately after that july 25th phone call, brett. >> bret: catherine herridge live on capitol hill, thanks. for weeks, republicans have dismissed the impeachment inquiry is based on secondhand information and not authorized by a full houseboat. both defenses are now in question. chief white house correspondent john roberts is on the north lombardy of administration is
not holding back the criticism of this process. good evening. >> good evening to you. the white house has made it quite clear for the last few weeks that it will not comply with the house impeachment inquiry unless and until nancy pelosi holds a vote in the full house to authorize it. now that that vote is scheduled for thursday, the white house is digging in its heels even further. the resolution in the house appears to give president trump at least some of what he wanted, including a vote in the full house, but in a statement late this afternoon, the white house of the resolution confirms that house democrats' impeachment has been an illegitimate sham from the start as it lacked an improper to my proper authorization by houseboat. the white house complains it is barred from participating at all until after chairman schiff conducts two rounds of one-sided hearings to generate a bias report for the judiciary committee and points out the white house yesterday as rights remain undefined, unclear, and uncertain, because those rules still haven't been written.
on capitol hill, the president's allies are keeping up the drumbeat that the entire process is invalid. >> i applaud >> for finally admitting it is a sham but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. due process starts at the beginning. >> president trump reaching out to his base not
to go wobbly in the face of a more robust impeachment proceeding, tweeting "nervous nancy pelosi is doing everything possible to destroy the republican party. our polls show what is going to be just the opposite. the do-nothing dems will lose many seats in 2020. they have a death wish led by a corrupt politician, adam schiff!" while the president claims the resolution continues to deny him due process, democrats say it allows the president and his counsel to present their case and respond to evidence, attend hearings, open or closed, raise objections to testimony, and cross-examine witnesses. >> they realize that their defenses are declining and so first it was procedural, and now
speaker pelosi has met their major procedural objections. >> but republicans still say that process is partisan, unfair, and ridiculous. >> the speaker is going to try to dress it up a little bit, put a little lipstick on the pig, as they say, at this vote on thursday, but it's not going to change anything and i think you're going to see every single republican vote against it. >> on top of the proposed expansion of the impeachment inquiry, house investigators heard from the first witness wad from a witness was lit my glistening in on the phone call with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky. while alexander vindman has been an employee of the national security council since july 2018, president trump today dismissed him. in one tweet calling him a never-trumper witness, in another tweeting "why are people i've never even heard of testifying about the call. just read the halt on my call transcript in the impeachment
hoax is over." ukraine signal pressure. and that is the bottom line for the president and for republicans in congress. the democrats can haul as many witnesses as they want up to capitol hill but it doesn't change the basic fact that the transcript of that call is out there for all the world to see and come to their own conclusions. no doubt, bret, this resolution is going to be topic a at a republican fund-raiser down the street at the trump international hotel this evening. bret. >> bret: john roberts live on the north lawn, thank you. the ncaa is changing its stance on athletes being paid for their names, images, and likeness. the reversal came weeks after california approved a law allowing college athletes within the state to earn income from endorsement deals despite resistance from the ncaa. correspondent kristin fisher joins us live with more on the future of college sports in the big change, good evening. >> good evening, bret. this is a huge shift for the ncaa. what this means is that college
athletes will now be able to endorse brands, except sponsors, basically make money, something they've been prohibited from doing in the past. the ncaa board voted unanimously this afternoon to allow student athletes to cash in on their name, image, and likeness. the board's chair explained the ship like this. "we must embrace change to provide the best possible experience for college athletes. it is modernization for the future is a natural extension of the numerous steps ncaa members have taken in recent years to improve support for student athletes, including full cost of attendance and guaranteed scholarships." but the fact is, the ncaa has been facing mounting pressure from several states and congress. this is one of those rare issues that has bipartisan support in today's announcement from ncaa was met with bipartisan skepticism. new jersey senator and democratic presidential contender cory booker said this. "this is a long-overdue and positive step forward, but it falls far short of what is needed to fully address the
exploitation of college athletes." republican congress when mark warner set of the ncaa board while their words are promising, they have used words in the past to deny equity and basic constitutional rights for student athletes. but not everyone on capitol hill is a fan of the change. republican senator richard burr says he will be introducing legislation that subjects scholarships given to athletes who choose to cash in two income taxes. it's unclear exactly how soon college ae allowed to cash in but the ncaa's board has asked each of his three divisions to begin creating the new rules immediately and have them in place by january 2021 at the latest. bret. >> bret: okay, kristen, thank you. california's largest utility has announced another round of blackouts in northern california, turning up the lights for about 1.5 million residents while another million people are still without power after a shut off over the weekend. correspondent dan springer is on
the ground in sonoma county where the dry and strong winds are creating dangerous conditions. >> an explosive situation remains in northern california as the kincaid fire destroys almost everything in its path. surveillance video showing a firestorm at a ranch and animal sanctuary. the animals were saved but the ranch, a total loss. firefighters are no race against the clock is another round of wins blast the region again. >> there is still fire burning, there still wind on the horizon and we don't want to get lulled into a false sense of security. >> more than 150,000 people are under evacuation orders and 90,000 homes and businesses are still threatened in sonoma county is the 75,000-acre blaze is only 15% contained. >> it's very frustrating not knowing, having any idea, but i guess the reality is no one can go up against mother nature. >> mother nature is also planning to wreak havoc in southern california. fire crews have spent the day
mopping up the fire in western los angeles, costs approaching category one hurricane strength are expected tonight. >> people will not be returning to their homes this evening. you should prepare for that now because we are going to maybe wind gusts as much as 70 miles an hour. >> and with the elevated fire threat comes the blackouts. pg indy pheasants cutting off power again to more than a million people in hopes of preventing its equipment from sparking more fires. the golden state's governor and residents are frustrated. >> this mind-set that has been advanced that suggest it's going to take ten years, it cannot, to get their act together, or allowing this to be forgiving, the new normal, because it simply cannot be. >> the utility ceo says he understands the inconvenience, but they're not taking any chances. >> to do anything less would basically be rolling dice around public safety and we will not roll the dice when it comes to public safety. >> they are definitely feeling like a punching bag these days when it comes to shutting off
customers power and damned if they do, damned if they don't but the big concern is just going for tonight because starting wednesday were looking at a full week of coma wind conditions. bret. >> bret: dan springer live in sonoma county, thanks. a federal judge has blocked a restrictive alabama abortion law set to take effect next month, saying it is in conflict with supreme court precedent. the provision challenged in court would have made it a felony to perform the procedure. if the law has no exceptions for rape or incest. up next, a look inside and isis prison camp, full of wives and children and members of that terrorist group. we will bring her there. here's what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering. box 32 in chicago where city officials are encouraged by some progress made in negotiations as the teachers to -- teacher strike continues. the two side salad 16 hour bargaining session on monday, they are back at it today.
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members. >> in a barren prison camp in northern syria, tens of thousands of isis family members are running a mini caliphate buried these people, mainly women and children, were mostly caught after the call to follow the caliphate. at least 15,000 of them are foreigners. there are 71,000 people inside this camp. we can't go any further than this, it's not safe. that's because the guards have no control inside and they say it is a little caliphate. we can hear people shouting at us in english from inside. they are not going to come and speak to us but they are accusing us of being liars. they are throwing stones, this is the international section of the camp and they come from all over the world. if you come and talk to us, we can tell your story. we want to hear what it's like in here. >> no! >> nobody wants to talk to you! >> baghdadi was killed in an american raid. there actually seems to be one leader among them who was
telling the others not to speak to us. they've turned their backs, they are gathering together. they don't want to speak. inside the camp, the guards have no control. they are vastly outnumbered, so they do their best to secure the poorest perimeter. if they do want to go in, they use humvees or risk being kille killed. instead, it is isis's female morality police who are the main force. they hold secret religious courts and murder those who have broken rules, mutilating some. even a 1-year-old baby was found beaten to death in the woman's camp, they don't know why. at night, sleeper cells in the surrounding areas can slip into the camp, smuggle in guns, grenades, isis flags, money, one $65,000 cash shipment was intercepted. children are in religious schools and it appears they're being brainwashed. some of the orphans are returned home, including one american, but most have nowhere to go. the one thing that could make this worse is increased fighting
and instability and has the latest cease-fire on the ground between turkey and syria came to an end at 11:00 eastern today, there was a nervous wait to see if violence would continue varied isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi may be dead when the territorial caliphate gone, but in this camp his ideas live on and many people fear it could be a ticking time bomb. bret. >> bret: benjamin hall in northern syria, thank you. while much of the global attention is understandably concentrated on syria in the middle east, other countries are facing instability in the region. hundreds are dead as violent antigovernment protests continue in iraq and demonstrations over corruption in lebanon have forced that country's prime minister to resign. state department correspondent rich edson looks at two countries facing public outrage. >> 18 protesters murdered in iraq as masked gunmen shoot into a crowd in the holy city of karbala. the protesters say there unsure if the shooters were right
police a special forest, or iran-linked militias. iraqis began protesting the government earlier this month. across the country about 240 have died demonstrating against corruption and unemployment. >> there is no other solution, we will not retreat. either we die here or they leave. >> and baghdad, officials are enforcing an overnight curfew. the state department says the united states is concerned about pressure in iraq to censor coverage of the protests. across the region in lebanon there are also widespread protest that began about two weeks ago over a proposed tax on the what's app messenger. demonstrators expanded their demands to include the overthrow of government elites. this afternoon they found some success as the prime minister announced his resignation. >> i fit a dead end and it's time for a big shock to confront the crisis. >> protesters welcomed the news but are demanding more. >> the first victory of this uprising has been realized. now we have to start planning
for the second victory and look forward to it. >> demonstrations in iraq and lebanon joint protest across the world, including months-long demonstrations in hong kong and chile. protesters have clogged santiago after a proposed increase in subway fares and electricity rates. they are now demanding better social services and changes to the chilean constitution. president sebastian pena has replaced government ministers, offered minimum wage increases and offer higher taxes on the wealthy, concessions that have failed to satisfy these protesters. in about two and a half weeks, santiago will host a major international summit with world leaders like chinese president xi jinping and president trump expected to attend. despite these protests, the chilean government says the summit is still on. bret. >> bret: rich edson live at the state department. rich, thank you. great britain is set to hold an early election, early general election, on december 12th. lawmakers overwhelmingly approve the bill to give prime minister
boris johnson the early election he has been asking for. the leader of the opposition party supported the move now that the prospect of an imminent no deal brexit has been taken off the table. it will be the first december election in the u.k. since 1923. up next from a former president joe biden reacts to being denied holy communion. ♪
>> bret: democracy 2020 tonight, former attorney general jeff sessions is exploring the possibility of running for his old senate seat in alabama. that is according to anonymous sources speaking with the associated press. the alabama republican party has a november 8th deadline to enter the race to face off against democratic senator doug jones who won the 2017 special election to fill sessions seat. three north carolina judges have blocked the state of unstressed congressional map from being used in the 2020 elections. the judges gave no deadline to draw a new map but urged lawmakers to move quickly to ensure congressional primaries can be held as scheduled. the state board of elections has said lines needed to be finalized by december 15th. senator elizabeth warren would bar large corporations and major government contractors from hiring former senior government officials for at least four years. that's part of her anticorruption plan. her medicare for all plan is still though lacking some details. correspondent peter doocy is in
new hampshire tonight where warren is making her pitch to primary voters. >> elizabeth warren still hasn't said how she would pay for medicare for all, but it still part of her pitch to primary voters. >> i was an original cosponsor, i'm going to put out a plan about the cost of medicare for all and how we can meet that. >> a president warren wouldn't be able to just jack up taxes on the rich though because the bipartisan committee for a responsible budget just found "there is not enough annual income available among higher earners to finance the full cost of medicare for all." bernie sanders admits taxes will go up to pay for medicare for all, but that didn't stop alexandria ocasio-cortez, the star of his new ad in iowa, from endorsing him. >> the first time i ever heard about bernie sanders was when i was a waitress. >> ever since her endorsement, sanders has gotten stronger. now first in a cnn poll of new hampshire democrats ahead of warren, down one point, and
biden, down nine points. >> i think we have all we need to be able to conduct a really successful campaign and all four early states. >> biden has got other problems too. he tried to take holy communion at the anthony catholic church in south carolina and reverend robert e mori said no explaining, "any public figure who advocates for abortion places himself or herself outside of church teachings, i will keep mr. biden in my prayers." john kerry was warned not to take communion for the same reason '04 and because of biden's support for abortion rights, he's been hearing the same warning from some church leaders since becoming barack obama's running mate '08. >> it was reported that you were refused communion for your stance on abortion rights. is there any truth to that, did that happen? >> are not going to discuss that. that's just my personal life and i'm not going to get into that at all. >> so biden is dealing with new questions about his religion as warren is dealing with old questions about her ancestry.
for the first time in a while tonight, a new hampshire primary voter asked her what she would say if she was the nominee and president trump called her pocahontas to which she replied that she would fight that fight with an open heart, but in this hour-long town hall, medicare for all was never brought up by the senator, never came up at all until a reporter asked after. bret. >> bret: peter doocy live in new hampshire tonight, thanks. for a look at the 2020 election in the advertisement strategy by the candidates, we will bring imposter frank luntz in just a bit after the break. here he is right here. coming up, frank, we were talking about ads and what makes a good campaign add. what is the secret sauce that makes a campaign add? >> ever so gratefully. number one you've got to be credible. you have to believe it. if the information, what it communicates, the data behind it. number two, it's got to be
memorable so when you see it you know which candidate is advocating and you remember a day or two. and number three asked to make you think so it sticks with you. the ads that are created, there will be thousands in this campaign, only about 15% actually move the boat. the other 85% are wasted money. >> bret: all right, we've got some ads that are running now, let's play one of them. this is, first of all, the trump impeachment add. >> first, the mueller investigation. now ukraine. politics at its worst. president trump is changing things, renegotiating bad trade deals, securing our border, creating 6 million new jobs. it isn't pretty. the swamp hates it but mr. nice guy won't cut it. it takes a tough guy to change washington. >> brilliant. mr. nice guy. that's perfect. mr. nice guy won't cut it. bret, i will run into you a week from
to you a week from now. one of the reasons why he won is because he's tough as nails. that's an ad that people remember. that's an ad that redefines what it is to be running for president. >> bret: all right, here's the biden beating trump add. >> we have to beat donald trump and all the poles agree, joe biden is the strongest democrat to do the job. no one is more qualified. her eight years, there were an administration in america could be proud of. our allies could trust and her kids look up to. >> remember this is for a democratic primary vote but he saying that he's tough enough to beat donald trump and those pictures that we were watching were ones of him shaking hands with voters. i think the words are very effective, but the visuals don't cut it because they don't match exactly what democratic primary voters are desperately looking for. >> bret: finally this is
elizabeth warren, not too hard. >> too hard to stand up to wall street. if too hard to protect consumers from cheating banks. too hard to be the popular republican incumbent senator is a first-time candidate. not too hard. right now the wealthy and the well-connected have written systems for themselves. america needs a leader who's not afraid to fight back. >> what's special about that, the early visuals were not that effective, they were simply plain, but when you saw treasury secretary steven mnuchin holding up that sheet of money, that's a sign that people remember. that's the visual. that ad i think in the language that elizabeth warren has been using is one of the reasons why she has surged in the polls over the last 60 days. if she continues that tough talk among democratic primary voters, it's going to take her -- i think it could take her to the nomination. >> bret: let me just put up the rcp average of the national iowa and hampshire polls. what you make of biden's staying power despite some poor
performances in the debates and some stumbling here and there? he still up there. >> keep it up there because i'm going to tell your viewers something very important. do not follow the national numbers. if they don't matter. the only states that matter are iowa, new hampshire, nevada caucuses, and south carolina primary. i'm convinced that joe biden might not still be in this race by the time you get to super tuesday. his weakest states are the first states. elizabeth warren's strongest states are those early states. and for her to be ahead now with so many people knowing joe bide joe biden, that tells me that she's got tremendous room to grow and joe biden still has room to fall. >> bret: all right, frank luntz, poster, we appreciate the perspective. have a good one. >> thank you. >> bret: after the break, the boeing ceo faces a congressional grilling one year after a deadly plane crash. ♪ s. you just saved a bunch of money by switching your boat insurance to geico. it was easy. folks, can it get any better than this?
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>> bret: technology companies pulled the market down slightly today. the dow lost 19, the s&p 500 dropped 2.5, the nasdaq finished down 49. we've made mistakes. that from the boeing ceo to senators on the one year anniversary of the boeing 737 max crashing in indonesia. if the first of two incidents that together killed 346 people. boeing bows to make the plane safe and is staying on the job. doug mckelway looks at the congressional grilling marking a solemn occasion. >> on the one year anniversary of the 737 max crash, through reeves into the java sea while on capitol hill family of those who died in a crash is held at pictures of loved ones lost, a reminder to boeing of a solemn responsibility. >> we will never forget, and that is our commitment going forward. >> that remark did little to appease the committee. >> they never had a chance. these loved ones never had a
chance. they were in flying coffins as a result of boeing deciding that it was going to conceal and cast from the pilots. >> i would walk before i would get on a 737 max. i would walk. >> weeks before today's hearing 3-year-old text messages from two test pilots were leaked. they describe problems in a simulator with the system linked to the two crashes. "it's running rampant in the sam on me. i'm leveling off at like 4,000 feet, 230 knots and the plaintiff is turning itself like crazy. i'm like, what? granted, i suck at flying, but even this was egregious. the text were handed over to the justice department as part of discovery in a criminal probe but the boeing ceo says he was unaware of them until just two weeks ago. >> you're the ceo, the buck stops with you. did you read this document and how did your team not put it in front of you, run in with their hair on fire?
>> i didn't see the details of this exchange until recently. and we are not quite sure what he meant by that exchange. >> also testifying the ntsb chairman, who recommended they -- that can "exceed available mental resources," and "make it difficult for the flight crew to confirm the primary reason for failure." boeing said the dash when the max returns to the air. the faa will grant recertification for domestic flights. that will boeing is hemorrhaging money with losses of $9 billion and counting since the crashes. bret. >> bret: doug mckelway up on capitol hill. thank you. a judge has reopened a portion of the $250 million defamation lawsuit filed by covington catholic student nick sandmann against "the washington post." the judge has agreed to permit discovery on 3 of 33 allegedly defamatory statements made by
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♪ >> i think it's an excellent step forward. it is a matter of process and due >> the resolution that was filed today in and of itself according to speaker pelosi affirms the soviet-style process that's been going on and continues to deny due process and equal access to both sides. >> it's pretty much the same procedure that has been followed in previous impeachment proceedings. >> this process which was illegitimate yesterday, which is illegitimate today, apparently is going to be just as a legitimate come thursday when they have this vote. this resolution should go down in flames. >> bret: the house impeachment inquiry resolution has been put forward, likely to come to a vote on thursday. meantime, the white house was quick to react to that, putting
out a statement from the press secretary stephanie grisham. the resolution put forward by speaker pelosi confirms that house democrats impeachment has been an illegitimate sham from the start as it lacked any proper authorization would buy a house boat. it continues the scam by allowing chairman schiff, who repeatedly lies to the american people, to holding hearings. still without any due process for the president. the white house is barred from participating at all until after chairman schiff conducts two rounds of one-sided hearings to generate a biased report for the judiciary committee. even then, the white house's rights remain undefined, unclear, and uncertain because those rules still haven't been written. this resolution does nothing to change the fundamental fact that house democrats refused to provide basic due process rights to the administration. let's bring in our panel. steve hayes, editor of the dispatch. susan page, washington bureau chief at "usa today," and kimberley strassel, member of the editorial board at "the wall street journal," also author of the best seller "resistance at all costs:how
trumpeters are breaking america." kimberly, first to you, your thoughts on this resolution and what this is shaping up to be? >> a look, why have they put this out? because they were facing a lot of accusations about how this is being done in a highly unusual manner and they had not actually voted for the authority to go forward with an impeachment inquiry. so now we have this resolution, but as you can see, it certainly is not going to satisfy republicans or shield them from ongoing complaints. it still isn't being done in the way the former impeachment proceedings have been done. most notably, it has been outsourced to these three committees will continue to do these hearings probably behind closed doors and where the president 's counsel will not be welcomed to take part. they will not be able to take part until it actually goes to the judiciary committee, and that will allow republicans to continue saying that this is being done in a one-sided way. >> bret: meantime, susan, this
testimony today, and it was still ongoing as the show started, from lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, a top ukraine expert on the national security counsel. it basically he was on the call, the first witness that we know of who was actually on the call and said that he expressed concerns about it during that time and after that time. >> i had not heard of alexander vindman before today but i think it is likely that he is the most important witness that we've heard from so far on this impeachment inquiry because he was on the call, unlike the previous witnesses, unlike the whistle-blower. he is not a political figure. he is someone who has served with honor in the army, who got a purple heart from being wounded in the iraq war, that he is someone who raised objections immediately after the phone call to the council saying he though. so he is i think a very powerful voice to be heard from and i
think when we go to the public hearings, which are likely to start next month, we are likely to hear from him there. >> bret: it yet. steve the question -- and i don't like anybody doubts that he had concerns and he expressed them. the question is whether that is illegal and where this process goes in this articles of impeachment is the democrats go down this road. >> i think is a question about what is legal and illegal. if there's also the question of political process. i think democrats are overdue in opening up this process actually putting it to a vote. we would all do better to have this done out in the open and the president should be afforded the opportunity to defend himself, to have the white house defend himself. on the substance low i think your republicans are facing a tough road here. two new harsh realities. the quid pro quo, the no quid pro quo defense has basically collapsed. you now have multiple credible witnesses who have testified under oath the president engaged
in this quid pro quo. that's highly problematic. while i agree with susan's point that vindman was a credible witness, at least judging by his opening statement. we have is liquid and see what he ultimately testified to and how answer questions, but he's a person with a respected background. i think in some senses the more damaging witnesses for the white house are the republicans. the president and the white house can complain about the process and i said they've had legitimate gripes, the real problem is the most damaging testimony comes from people like mick mulvaney, from kurt volker and gordon sondland and from bill taylor. all people who the white house itself had brought in to the process and who worked for president trump. >> bret: right. you mentioned, though, and it's importantly to point out, kimberley, that we are not seeing cross-examination by republicans or how they answer some of that pushback behind closed doors and eventually in an open hearing honestly we would see some of that. kimberley, the president continues to say read the transcript of the call.
trump supporter's continue to say the call is for you to see. you can make a determination. and i guess the question is whether the transcript is a transcript and you go down that road. >> well, i mean look, this is the attitude of a lot of republicans. i don't think that they are necessarily overly concerned by some of this testimony, and here's why. because impeachment is a political process, which means fundamental you have to convince the american people that you have actually found an impeachable offense. in the republican point here has been and it's clearly something that continues to resonate with vast numbers of trump voters is that, look at the transcript, no explicit quid pro quo. ukrainian said they did not know that the aide was being withheld. they've also said they felt no pressure and, by the way, the aide flowed in the end despite the fact the fact that there was no investigation, so you have to convince those voters out there that somehow whatever happened but the democrats are claiming
actually happen despite this other evidence and i'm not sure they're actually making much headway in that regard. >> bret: quickly, susan. this is heading towards public hearings. beasley the mueller public hearings did not deliver what democrats hoped they would. they are betting a different result this time. >> that's right and by having these private hearings beforehand, they'll be able to lay out a narrative that they think works for them of the most consistent version of events by the most persuasive witnesses, so i think this is likely to be different from the mueller hearing. i agree democrats need to be careful to make it look like a fair process and not some kind of kangaroo court because they do need to bring along public opinion to convince american voters that this is a fair process and one that is aimed at getting at the truth of what happened. >> bret: all right, we will follow it. it likely a vote on thursday and thank you. when we combat, a young star on the ice in the nation's capital.
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♪ >> bret: final tonight, the might of the night. almost every home game for the washington capitals allows fans to scrimmage between the periods. at the mike battled it out for a few minutes in front of the cap's home crowd. the star might of the night a few weeks ago was jackson friedlander. scored two goals that night. here are some highlights from his amazing postgame interview. >> i'm seriously excited. i'm kind of tired but mostly excited. >> is your favorite cap's player? >> it's ovechkin. two crickets on monday, one on sunday.
>> anything you want to say to her fans? >> god bless everybody. >> bret: beckett is made for politics or tv or something. sign him up, thanks for inviting us into your home tonight, that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced, unafraid. here's martha. >> martha: a future bret baier right there. [laughs] >> bret: [laughs] >> martha: so look at the scene everybody. back in october of 1998, the house voted to commence impeachment proceedings against bill clinton. presided over the boat, he will join us in just a few minutes to talk about this moment 21 years later. only this time the party roles are reversed with house democrats preparing to vote on their resolutions to begin a formal impeachment inquiry into the republican president donald trump. but aside from the party in power, not much around