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steve and i am chris wallace. a saudi air force officer targeted military base. killing three members of the u.s. navy. we will discuss chris: a saudi kills three people at a naval base in pensacola. another iranians continued to ship muscles in iraq and yemen. >> president trump's promise to pulls u.s. troops out of endless wars. >> ronald reagan was leaning forward and we are pulling back. chris: we are talking to defense
secretary mark esper at the reagan library. >> i'm asking for articles of impeachment. need and leave no choice. we'll talk to democratic congresswoman a key member of the house judiciary committee which will hear evidence monday from house investigators. plus the justice department's inspector general, highly anticipated review of the 2016 russia. >>. chris: will ask our son a panel the ig report will be. the president claimed it was all a witchhunt. and our power player the week. is obsessed with spice. in the things that they use to see you. all right now. i'm fox news sunday.
you are live at the ronald reagan presidential library and air force one that carried our 40th president around the globe in pursuit of peace. and walk into a special welcome to a special hour of fox news, gathering of key figures in national security. more on that in a moment. but first the latest on to developing stories. the release -- national security correspondence joining us now. >> thank you chris officials not willing to call this terrorism. they released victims names.
watson anisa nabel academy advancement. he saved many lives telling first responders were the shooting took place after being shot several times. the shooter, one of 800 saudi's being trained in the u.s. used a handgun with an extended magazine to target americans in thee pensacola naval classroom. tweets posted
perhaps a good first step. >> jennifer thank you and we'll see you again later in the hour. chris: as i said, key players in foreign policy and national security gather here each year for the reagan national forum. earlier i set down i sat down with the secretary of defense to discuss the threats to american security.
secretary esper thank you back to fox news sunday. >> thanks chris good to be with you. let's start with that terrible shooting in pensacola. we know it least one of the people the officer killed was a recent graduate of the naval academy. did he target americans? >> it's a very tragic incident our condolences go out to the families and those who were killed and those were injured as well. and so we want to extend our heartfelt concerns for all of them. with regard to yourth question,i don't know yet. i think that's important to allow the investigation too proceed to figure out exactly what he is doing and why. >> it's a fact we know that three people were killed for where they americans are not? >> my understanding is they were americans that were killed. that is my understanding. >> do we have a sense if he is going after americans? >> we don't know that yet that's what we need to let the investigation play out.
>> there are reports that saudis have been retained, and several of them had been filming the incident. first of all is that true? and there was some top florida officials willing to say this the terrorist plot. >> somewhere retained, friends of hinze were also on that basis i understand. and i was also told that some one or two were filming it. what's unclear is whether they were filming it as it began or did they start filming once it was unfolding. that may be a distinction with their without a difference. and again that's why we need to let the investigation play out. >> but i mean that would not be a normal response, to film one of your colleagues who shooting americans. >> i don't know i'm not trying to pass judgment at this.in time. today people plot their phones and film anything and everything that happens. >> more than 5,000 foreign nationals are in pentagon training programs. are you going to review that entire program? and are you going to try some
better way to vet, i understand hindsight is 2020, some better way to vet people, foreigners who come into our country for this kind of training for any links to extremism. >> let me say when the first things i did yesterday in the wake of this incident as i talked with the acting secretary and others to say i want to immediately make sure we put out an advisory to all of our bases, installations, and facilities. we need to make sure were taking all precautions appropriate to the base too make sure our peope are safe and secure. that's number one. and number two i asked wood to get a review of what our screening is for nationals coming into the united states. it's reviewed by the department of state comments reviewed by the department of homeland security and the reviewed by us. and i want to make sure those procedures are efficient. wise andnd pouring question not ejust because of safety but overall these type of exchanges are very important to national security.
we have something that our potential chill adversaries don't have. and that's an elaborate system of alliances and partnerships. and thean ability to bring foren students here to train with us, to understand american culture is very important to us about in those long-term relationships and keep us safer. i would say through my time in the military i went to west point with kids from other countries. i trained at the hellenic sulitary academy in greece for summer. during my time in the army i trained with an officer from africa. all those things helped us understand one another and build close partnerships. we need to continue to do that. >> yes if we need to vet better will do it but were knocking throughout this program. there are reports that the pentagon is working on a plan, considering a plan to send 7,000 more u.s. troops to the middle east. i understand the president has not decided on this yet. but what would more u.s. troops help us do to counter the threat
from iran? >> first of all i have no plans rightav now that working us in seven or 14,000 additional troops to the middle east. but what i've said consistently to congress isn't to others is sit on a weekly basis, a daily basis, we monitor it's happening in the persian gulf. we watch what ironic doing so we understand what they are their intentions are. what i am trying to do is number one assure our allies such as riese saudis and others in the region. number two freedom of the seas, number three hold up the international rules -based order. so what i am trying to do from the defense department is to deter iranian bad behavior. if you'll recall several months ago, they were going after ships in the street, they shot down one of our drones. we reached a.where we deterred further iranian bad behavior. but as we see bad behavior and intentions changing, i will change our posture for that deterrence. >> he said there are certain things they aren't doing.
he said they're not going after ships in the persian gulf they aren't to shooting down drones. you sent in 14,000 more troops since may, but the iranians are continuing to ship missiles around the area, taira, to yemen. they have recently tested a new missile that apparently we have the ability to deliver a nuclear weapon. what would more troops do? woulde they deterred that actio? are they saying are we prepared to have a war with iran. >> what i said publicly as we are prepared to respond depending upon what iran does. and they need to understand that our restraint should not be interpreted as weakness. we are prepared to defend ourselves and our allies if necessary, but you had on two important things. sit for 40 years now since the revolution, iran is been engaged in a number of activities that have undermined the entire region. it's the malign behavior in any number of countries stretching from africa to afghanistan. there missile program there
other programs and hostagetaking are all the things we want in a new and comprehensive agreement with them. to get rid of them. we want ironic to join and to become a normal nation, a normal country. >> good luck with that. >> we have to do it. their hands are in every type of countryry out there. stirring things up, lebanon, saudi arabia, syria, yemen, and we can go all across this region andio talk about iranian bad behavior. >> we are here at the reagan rlibrary i'm back in 1985 reagn laid out what was known as the reagan doctrine, which was the u.s. was going to support resistance movements around the world to counter soviet aggression. in the last few months, this president, president trump has pulled u.s. troops out of northern syria, abandoning our kurdish allies. he's talking now about a peace deal with the towel band and pulling out of afghanistan. when it comes to finding isis, when it comes to fighting the
taliban, isn't what presidentnt trump now doing the exact opposite of the reagan doctrine. >> no not at all. let's look at this to situations. we withdrew troops in the border with turkey because our long-standing allies were going in because of that's they're having on terrorist activity going into turkey. what we told ms. you shouldn't do this, we worked hard to not do that, we set up a safe zone. but at the end of the day they were committed to do that and we were going to put our troops in that path. >> but my.without getting into a lot of the details as we seem to be pulling back terror on fighting terrorism and ronald reagan was leaning forward in times of fighting soviet aggression. >> present reagan knew that. president trump knows our long-term challenges and being russia and really china. in the key, you mentioned afghanistan. we've been in that country for 1819 years. the only way forward is a political agreement. so if we can reach a political agreement between the taliban,
the current government, and us, to ensure that afghanistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorist, that's a good thing. it also allows me, us, to free up troops to redeploy against this to other countries that were most concerned about the long-term. >> alright we've got a little time left them into a lightning round of quick questions and if possible quick answers. north korea's ambassador to the united nations now says that talks about denuclearization are often table. if they resume, nuclear testing, long-range missile testing, what will the u.s. do? >> i am not in a comment on hypotheticals. i will say this much my job is to ensure that we are ready and prepared to fight whenever necessary. s we are not high state of readiness right now. but my second task is to be adept well. visit things we do i walk let work closely with pompeo and we'll see. i think the talks are always open, i've said secretary pompeo has said, and certainly president trump us that we want
to sit down, we want to have negotiations, we want to reach denuclearized. >> president trump pardon several members of the military that heading there been convicted or charged with war crimes. he stopped it administrative review. he's you said he's a commander-in-chief it's his call. but as the secretary of defense, are you worried that this undermines the military code of justice and may perhaps discourage otherd service membes from reporting illegal or improper conduct. >> no i don't. i'm a big believer in the code of justice is a very capable system. our soldiers, sailors, marines are are well-trained. president trump is not the first person to pardon or commute somebody. there's a longut history of commanders in chief doing this is a prerogative of the constitution. >> finally a couple questions about impeachment. when we last talked a couple months ago, you said you were going to do everything you could
to comply with congressional subpoenas on records of the cut off and holding of aid to ukraine. but two days after our conversation, the pentagon stonewalled congress. they did not release a single document. are you comfortable with that with the secretary of defense? >> what my general counsel came through with this with they were request we just couldn't honor. so that's the reason behind that. >> but do you feel congress has a right to oversights and be able to see documents from the pentagon on a program that was approved by congress? >> they do if it's down theth proper and right way. i think my reputation is very good and being very transparent, elected communicate with members of congress. but in this case it is my recollection is, their technical and legal issues that prohibit ofwa us to do exactly what's requested by congress. >> you are the secretary of defense this past summer when a
lot of these actions were going down with regard to ukraine. did president trump ever explain to you, tell you, why he was holding up u.s. military aid to ukraine, an ally who was and is in a current war with russia. >> look i'm not going to get into that there is obviously an inquiry underway on capital here. i came into the story in late july when i assumed office. >> but you are acting as secretary earlier in july. >> i was in for a couple weeks that i was out for couple weeks we'rewi waiting for my confirmation process. i say this one like him on the scene that there's three things you're looking at. number one was a absolutely necessary in defending against russia. number two had the ukraine's e,dress corruption, and that was a congressional concern. and three were there other allies in this helping them. at the end of the day, most of that aid got out on time and at no time to have any impact on
united states national security. >> and you were never told about political considerations? >> i'm not gonna get into that i'm gonna leave that process unto itself. ms. >> mr. secretary thank you so much for talking to us you got a lot on your plate defending this country. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much foror dog so. up next house impeachment investigators make their case ta the judiciary committee tomorrow. a big step before democrats write articles of impeachment. we'll talk withme congressman david sissel laney, a top democrat on that committee. as fox news sunday continues from the air force one pavilion at the ronald reagan presidential library.
we are going to receive the evidence carefully, we are going to evaluate that evidence and apply it to the law that is set forth in the constitution. and make a judgment about what articles of impeachment, the timetable is less clear. >> you talk about evidence, will the committee focused just on the alleged offenses in terms of what the president did to ukraine? or will you go back to some democrats are talking about to the mueller reports and what it alleged about potential obstruction of justice by president trump in the russia investigation. a subject which has not been discussed at all during the last few months, it really hasn't
been discussed income congress at all since last july. >> while the judiciary committee has collected a lot of evidence in its own work and now in receipt of a 300 page report from the intelligence committee. i think it will demonstrate a pattern behavior by this president to seek foreign assistance to interfere in the presidential election and an effort to obstruct congresses review of those circumstances. so we will look at all that material that's been collected, the evidence that has been generated and will make a judgment. but again the focus is on the presidents miss context. the president of the united states asking a foreign government evidence to interfere in a presidential election. this is really what our founders spoke about when they talked about in spaceman. about an abuse of power, about using the power of the presidency to advance your own personal or political interests ahead of the national interest. >> you didn't answer my question. if you could just answer my
question. is it just going to be on ukraine or may you look back at the russia probe and potential obstruction of justice there? >> i think all of the potential articles of impeachment or on the table. that's a decision the judiciary committee makes in consultation with the chair. that will also go with the leadership of the house pay but the judiciary committee will have all the evidence and will make a judgment. and the decision will be made by the committee at the appropriate time. >> as part of the intelligence committee's report earlier this week, chairman adam schiff released telephone calls between rudy giuliani, one of his associates, with the chair, or rather the top republican, the former chair devin nunes who also with the reporter john solomon. republicans are pushing back hard on what adam schiff did. here they are. >> i've never seen the chairman of a committee abuse their
subpoena power to go after other members of congress that they have political disagreement with. or members of the press that they have political disagreements with. that's over theit line. >> congress meant is that the new standard if i can ask the question first, is that the new standard that members of congress can subpoena phone records and then release them about members of congress of the other party or the media? because that takes us into pretty dangerous territory. >> look the intelligence committee has a solemn responsibility of collecting evidence relative to the impeachment inquiry. all of the information. the real question is why is republican ranking member of the intelligence committee ranking with a less and others and why is he participating in the very subject matter of this inquiry? that's the really alarming development and so the committee
is acting responsibly to collect all of the evidence and carefully evaluated. they using a lawful process to rdo. i wish my republican colleagues were is concerned about evidence collection and what the evidence shows instead of the embarrassment to one of their colleagues. >> but once you open this door, everybody's gonna go through it. so when number cuff republicans are in the majority you'll have no problem with them subpoenaing your phone records? and finding out who you've been in touch with? >> i think it's important that a committee of jurisdiction collect all of the relevant evidence particularly when we are as focused on something as deadly serious as the impeachment proceedings. this is serious we have a responsibility to collect all the evidence, whatever it is, evaluate andnd apply the provisions. when you do that you understand it's a continuous threat to our elections, to the integrity of our democracy, and we have to move forward with these proceedings. no one gets, or runs for congress to impeach a president.
but we are faced with a very, very serious set of misconduct siby this president. we have a responsibility to honor oath of office to protect andd defend the constitution. we simply cannot allow this president or any president to invite foreign interference into our elections. you knowow who gets it inside or elections? our citizens. not the foreign powers that's what separates our country from authoritarian countries all over the world. >> congressman some moderate democrats, especially some who were elected and swing districts thatn donald trump carried in 2016, are talking openly about voting openly against impeachment gets the house floor. are you sure that the democrats now have the 216 votes they would need to impeach thisin president? >> i think there is no question that the evidence that has been developed during the course of this investigation of this. inquiry are overwhelming and uncontested.
that the president of the united states sought foreign interference to help in thiss election. >> congressman i'm gonna interrupt you because i'm running out of n time. i'm talking about evidence. >> i fully expect that the vast majorities of congress from the democratic caucus will accept that evidence and will move forward with articles of impeachment. the real question is why is the party of ronald reagan that prevailed in the cold war willing to accept this type of foreign interference in our elections? >> finally the inspector general, michael horwich issues his report tomorrow and on the russia probe. and he reportedly finds the fbi had adequate cause to pursue that investigation. he affair and leave find serious misconduct even perhaps criminal activityol in the part off lower-level people but he says the top levels of the fbi and other agencies were not guided by political bias. do you expect that to end the
debates over whether or not the fbi was spying on the trump campaign in 2016 as attorney general, barr contends. >> will you would hope this would finally end this silly claim that's been made repeatedly by the president. the report is guinness say the fbi was fully justified in its investigation the trump campaign. e but sadly we have seen before, that facts don't always matter. they stand in the way of arguments that they're makingd n attempt to defend the president's grave misconduct. so i hope it puts an end to once and for all, but will have to see. >> congressman sessa laney thank you, thanks for your time. we will track developments in your committee this week. thank you sir. >> thank you. >> nap next we will bring inner panel to discuss impeachment and ig report. as fox news continues from the ronald reagan presidential library.
grandpa the complex. that's a reason that are obvious. >> is the very sick man. chris: we should care about this, we must care about this, if we don't care about this, we can or will be sure that the president will be back at it, doing this all over again. chris: the attacks from president trump at the intel adam schiff getting even rougher. house democrats near a final vote i'm impeachment. it's time now for arsenic here at the reagan library, gop strategist karl rove, once again, fox news now national security. just as a pure political calculation, at this.to house democrats run a greater risk going ahead with impeachment or settling to back off. it's meant they're not going to back off. the real question is going to be how broad is the articles of
impeachment going to be. there is an argument going i'm inside of the democratic party as what how broad it's not to be. because the calculus is this. anyone democrats said and sees the donald trump once and those people are starting to get nervous. we saw some reporting i'm three polls done in three of those districts that are republicans show independence moving strongly against impeachment and impeachment issues sucking up republicans industries the donald trump won four years ago is likely to carry again. chris: as part of the house intelligence committee, report as i just discuss and conquer mess congressman sicily. adam schiff, the chairman release these phone logs of telephone calls between giuliani and one of his associates. the white house and with republican congressman devin nunes, with a reporter. does that take us down a slippery slope. >> certainly seems to. you listen to a republican, jim banks, is called the judiciary
committee to savini and shifts phone records. lynn's grandma said that he will not do that pretty will not be going down that path. but there is the sort of tit for tat. democrats see that they were not subpoenaed devon moose phone records or a journalist i'm record john solomon, they see that it was captured. chris: they were going after giuliani. and it turned out they were talking and they didn't have to release it. >> that is what they are getting hammered for. chris: riddick giuliani is the president's lawyer. what about the confidentiality between the client and the lawyer. >> do we know it was his phone records. is been indicted. the one we know that rudy giuliani called in the white house. and anyway, let's move to the other big story. at this make the inspector general and releases a report michael horowitz has been discussing or looking into this
reports are in the probe itself tomorrow. is that the ig is going to see that yes there was some serious problems, i'm the lower levels of the fbi and they have fiddled with a memo that was used as part of the market to get the price at warrant. the application to get it they're going to see that the basic probe, i'm donald trump in 2016 and his campaign, was with due process and an appropriate basis in the fbi was not doing it with political bias. if that is what comes out, what is that due to all the conspiracy talk we hear from the right. >> think is going to be really difficult. the president has said he thinks it's going to be a blockbuster report. i think he's going to be disappointed from what we have seen of the initial draft. john vern, he's been making i'm it. he was the lawyer . chris: u.s. attorney the bar has
chosen. >> look into aspects of weather there was a certain processor the u.s. intelligence advocate supposedly they did not find it to be the case. and so durham seems to be occurring with horowitz and join hearts went by the finding that tomorrow that they were not signing i'm the trunk campaign that they had reason to open the fbi and the season. i president will be disappointed. he did mention the lower-level lawyer at the fbi that is not going to come out looking very good. join he presented the fisa quote information i'm our page. he did some softening trainees whenever we look at how this applications are being made prior to. chris: briefly, one of the allegations at this professor, joseph missing, spoke to george - what record altogether. he said that russians had derek i'm ordered i'm hillary clinton. the question was, was an honest person here or was he in fact, set up some conservatives have
seven of americans intelligence agents. this is all kind of a conspiracy to go after donald trump. in one horowitz didn't find out and he also talked to his u.s. attorneys. the investigating this potential criminal case. apparently didn't find it either. he brings it to the fact that there are a lot of people from the president to the attorney general from republicans in congress to members of the conservative media of all been pushing this conspiracy theory or this theory this is all an attempt to take down donald trump. the ig was considered a marker horowitz said that it's all true and what happens. >> i think you need to look as a horwitz as an interim report. he is concerned. he cannot talk to people who are no longer a government service as inspector general, he can only talk to people who are strictly in government service so we can go i'm to lisa page would compel to testify. our peter etc. so think this is an but unlikely
to undermine the nuttier conspiracy theories. yes. what i would see this john durham think is going to be looking and maybe looking at a much different question which was once the fisa quote granted the authority to wiretap given the full and complete information that the fisa quote needs to have more were they playing fast and loose with the applications for the wiretap. as an entirely different issue. the ultimate authority which is going to be durham complete help testimony from people are in government service, and people who left government service hardware in never in government service. >> this horror was interviewed hundred people. a million pages of documents. 500 page report, i don't think it's an internal report. and i would also see that durh durham, he will be looking at whether there is any evidence of a fisa quote misuse or and thus are chemically join i look at as an fbi lawyer but i think that durham in the end, there is no
evidence to suggest that fisa quote application was for card page. that was i'm the basis for the whole investigation. chris: i get that. i think that's a different issue but join i see he can come to conclusions about a certain range of items where all you need to do is to talk to people who are currently in government service. in document to her about people who left the durham has a broader authority as a u.s. attorney in a special investigation where he can compel testimony from individuals who no longer in government service i think is join looking at things that horowitz can't come to conclusion about. and so in 20 seconds, i get the sense that there's probably going to be some republicans out there no matter what, horowitz finds in their going to see, the getaway for the dirt. >> and friendly they may not be interested in it. a lot of people going to see that but what is interesting is horowitz may result things that they are interested in interim had talked about things and they having a began to who is i'm because don't fit into the conspiracy. so. it goes i'm.
chris: thank you both will be back in washington and what promises to be an intense week. next, the u.s. faces threats from old rivals like russia. growing polarization here at home. we'll have two national security experts about it. join we returned for the reagan presidential library in >> californ ♪ limu emu & doug and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. and now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
foreign policy experts here at the reagan defense forum, about the best strategy to confront threats to the u.s. earlier i sat down with michelle flournoy former on secretary of defense for policy. in former democratic senator sam nunn, now cochair of the nuclear threat initiative read. chris: think about for talking with me. senator nunn yuri seen that reagan piece of war speech. your speech you said the threat of confrontation, right now, between the u.s. and russia is the greatest since the human missile crisis. really. >> i think this through. were not communicating as we did even during the couple of war. we have confrontation with them with troops in the same proximity. both in the middle east as well as you wrote or ukraine. we have a collapse arms control. we are hanging i'm with a couple of think that there is no really regulatory regime. new technologies like cyber that could be used basically just a
carpool command and control systems. as well as warrant systems. all those things mean particularly new technologies. we need to be communicating. but the lines of communication are nowhere near as rigorous as they should be. we do consider u.s. and russia have nuclear rep in weapons. that's an obligation for these two countries to talk even join we disagree. chris: michelle, how seriously do you take the threat of confrontation. between the u.s. and russia and president put it. russian leader, just said that he would like to extend the new start treaty before the end of the year. before it runs out in 2021 for your thoughts about that. should we take him up i'm that. >> we should absolutely take him up i'm that to start the new start treaty basically provides a strategic framework to create some degree of predictability. transparency, stability in our
nuclear elation chips. i want to take the lid off of that and get into an open competition was russia right now. learn deadly issues that need to be solved and re- negotiating a future treaty but let's keep the current one in place. and then open up and in negotiation. this be one sin and then we do at president trump news policies, around the world, what do you see of his that you think he is doing right and is there anything you see that he is doing wrong. it's been a agree with him in terms of his initiative i'm north korea. i wish there had been a game plan and still needs to be developed to do a step-by-step process in terms of the nuclear station for this kind of un human error. with north korea, i agree with it. he has helped to increase defense resources. as part of the nato allies, but in terms of the overall, the alliances have been in my view, shaken very badly.
because we don't have predictability. from monday to the next, our allies around the world, don't know what's going to come from president trump. so that is in the way goes about things, name-calling and so forth, it really takes its toll. chris: same question for you michelle. what is he doing right in the foreign national policy security and what is he doing wrong. >> and you think we need it to open our eyes to more competitive competitive in china. and there's been bipartisan support this so long behind them. the president is certainly in supported the increase in defense spending and investment in future capabilities but agree with senator nunn, even if we are doing some of the right things day today owner defense relationship from alliances, overall we are seeing now people don't know exactly where we stay on for. because our policies are not consistent. we know some have a cohesive
strategy. we become an unpredictable if not unreliable, lin so that creates a lot of uncertainty. it tempts adversaries to test us. to see where limits are and i think it moves him some of our allies to start hedging against the possibility that they can't count i'm the united states of america. chris: is there a big threat out there that you think that all of us, the politicians, the media, the foreign policy experts, are not paying enough attention credits but i actually think a lot of people in washington understand the challenge of china and the competitive threat that is posed to us economically, technologically, security.of view and even from another.of view but i don't think that is understood widely or at least not in any kind of nuance. i think there's a huge opportunity to explain this to the american people. not to make china an enemy. we want to avoid that. at the same if this is the
competitive moment. we as americans know how to compete. let's invest in the drivers of rome success. education, 21st century technology, and so forth. so i think that with the right leadership, vision nuclear slick in this country moving again in a much more competitive world. chris: news internet i want to go some back to something that you said in your speech. you talk about peace through strength and home. in one of the things you discuss is the lack of stability and that is sort of undercutting the unity of the nation and to confront threats but how serious of an issue do you think that is printed. >> think it is a serious issue. i think one white art divided at home, we don't have the strength that we would otherwise have. i believe every american with a voice and vote should insist i'm civility.
doesn't mean you are going to agree. it means you don't demonize the other side. the lawyer disagreeing, we recognize we have worked together to have a sense of policy. democrats and republicans and independence are all in this together what many days in washington you would never know you had. so civility, is absolutely essential in my view for governments and governance given all those changes in technology may be the most difficult. most difficult problem we face in terms of the digital edge and we have many many challenges and government right now technology is far out running policy. chris: do you see the push by house democrats for impeachment now as a sign of the breakdown in civility. >> unconcerned about it. i'm concerned about the fact the firm republicans and investment coming together. people made up their mind long before the evidence is open completed.
and if you are thinking about, you have to ask yourself weapons of it goes to the senate. if we don't have republican support, is it just going to go away or will it be a condemnation. i think a serious option to be considered is in the house, censored. the content of the conduct that went out basically taking away the right of the american people. for making a decision i'm who our leaders should be. chris: just follow that, make talk to democrats, they see no way, and the president note no way, so it doesn't seem like anybody wants to make that happen. >> the presidency because of the republicans are against it because arrogance and pride the behavior, we need to hear all the evidence. there was a very bad best day made here in terms of basically extorting a foreign country with appropriated funds that are been passed to help military emergency. in exchange for going after
political opponent. that's the case pretty and seems to me that kind of behavioral excess to be condemned. but i think you are to be looked at by everybody maybe the fact that all parties are against the means just where to go printed. >> peace through strength at home. what a nice think to talk and think about. at the regular library. thank you both very much. up next hour power player of the week. one of the world news foremost experts i'm spies. in the fascinating gadgets they use to steal secrets. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started.
♪ ♪ ♪ chris: if our setting here at the reagan library doesn't take you back to cold war, our next guest will. his love of spies and spy craft has taken him around the world on his own special mission, here is our power player of the week. ♪ >> i've always been fascinated in not just what spies did but how they did it. >> keith melton is obsessed with spies and how they pull off their missions. >> hidden waste coat called a detective camera. chris: amassing the world's private collection and becoming
historical adviser to u.s. intelligenty -- intelligent agencies. >> often involve some strange country in the middle of the night using currencies and meeting someone at a parking lot at 2:00 a.m. chris: melton has donated thousands of seeses to international spy museum in washington, getting visitors the back story on how espionage face the world. >> it's essential for the american people to understand what spies do in our intelligent services and how they represent the first line of defense for the democracy. chris: museum reopened this summer and 162 million-dollar building, features james bond's ashton martin and inner active exhibits like red team where visitors would decide if they made the call to red which seemed osama bin laden's
compound. >> that's a hard one. [laughter] >> i kind of know the ending here, i will say i'm highly confident. the center piece is spy gadgets like this cia pen and camera. >> you put it over a document, you take a photograph and you smuggle it out and it was -- we call it the camera that won the cold war. chris: and then there's this axe. >> melton spent 40 years tracking down one of the world's most famous murder weapons used by a soviet spy to kill leon, stalin regime. >> he came up behind him with two hands and just as he was about to strike he closed his eyes and instead of hitting him in the back of the head, he hit him in the side of the head. chris: his passion took him to
berlin and kgb headquarters. >> during times of times of stability artifacts become available. >> what becomes a good spy? >> information that's obtained that our adversaries don't know is missing is far more valuable than they realized has been stolen. chris: melton has a new white whale, a small cross bow u.s. intelligence came up during world war ii. >> they only made a handful of them. i've gotten into 30 minutes of obtaining one and that's the piece i haven't been able to find. >> i hope you find a cross bow. >> thank you. chris: since the spy museum reopened this summer more than 400,000 people have gone to see it. and that's it for today, have a great week and we will see you back in washington next fox news sunday. ♪