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congressman ron paul who got plenty of your votes. that is it for us. thanks for watching. >> chris: i'm chris wallace reporting from new hampshire where act two of the gop plays out in the first in the nation primary. while republicans is are battling over who will be the nominee, democrats are itching for a fight. we'll get a preview of the general election campaign from the two national party chairs. then he has the money and energetic supporters but can ron paul knock off frontrunner mitt romney. we will ask the congressman about his strategy for winning the nomination. plus, santorum's near win in iowa puts the spot light on his
surging campaign. we will ask the sunday panel if the new not mitt romney can withstand the coming onlauterbach. after an all nighter in iowa, a mad dash to new hampshire. we'll get the sights and sounds when we go on the trail all right now on "fox news sunday." >> chris: and hello again from fox news todayed in new hampshire. we are just outside downtown manchester on the campus of the college. if just two days voters head to the polls for the first in the nation primary and even though former senator rick santorum got a boost from his strong finish in iowa his support here has cooled while mitt romney still looks like the overwhelming favorite. here is where the race stands in the latest poll. romney leads with 39% but down slightly since iowa. ron paul is second with 17%. newt gingrich is third at 10% while santorum and jon huntsman
are tied at 9 and rick perry is last. for more on the state of the race and a big debate saturday night, let's bring in it fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron. carl? >> hi, chris. it was the 15th debate and it was a brawl. everybody threw punches but few at mitt romney. >> i'm not surprised to have the new york times try and put free enterprise on trial. i'm not surprised to have the obama administration do that either. it is a little surprising from my colleagues on this stage. >> ron paul and rick santorum savegeed each other. >> you are a big spender that is all there is to it. >> it is a ridiculous charge and you should know better. >> really what the whole -- there is goes again. >> they caught you not telling the truth, ron. >> paul accused newt gingrich of promoting the draft and avoiding war. >> the accusations he makes
without accurate information and slurs people with. >> i'm trying to stop the wars. at least i went when they called me up. >> jobs and the economy overshadowed by social issues. >> base. >> i'm for overturning roe versus wade. >> i would oppose any effort to ban contraception. >> this administration's war on religion is with bothers me greatly. >> romney pounced when jon huntsman accused him of trying to pick a trade war with china. >> i'm sorry, governor, you you were the last two it years implementing the policies of this administration in china. the rest of us on the stage were doing our best to get republicans elected across the country and stop the politics of this president. >> i think it is important to note as they would say in china, mitt. he doesn't quite understand the situation. >> reporter: first time mandarin has probably been spoken on a new hampshire
debate stage. romney won in iowa. looks more like the debate and race is about who will rise up and be his closest rival. >> chris: thanks for that. with the battle for the republican nomination starting to take ha shape we want to take a look at what lies ahead in the general election. joining us to preview the race are the heads of the two parties. from racine, wisconsin, reince priebus. and debbie wasserman schultz. >> we got good news for the nation on friday. 200,000 jobs created in the last month. the unemployment rate down to 8.5%. the lowest in almost three years. while it is good news for the country isn't it taking away your strongest argument to replace barack obama? >> well, not at all, chris. i mean obviously 8.5% is unacceptable. clearly going taking down one
tenth of one percent is better than being at 8.6%. i'm talking to you from racine, wisconsin, and what people feel out here in racine and kenosha is that we are losing manufacturing jobs and people don't feel better off today than they were two or three years ago. i'm not sure if an f minus to f is good news. certainly it is better but you this president has failed in his major promises when it comes to jobs, the economy, the debt, the deficit and, look, nancy pelosi and debbie wasserman schultz herself in 2006 were bashing george bush over 4.6% unemployment. this is a great country. we can do better than this and our candidate is going to make the case to the american people that 8.5%, 8.6 isn't good enough for the greatest country on the earth. >> chris: let me bring in
congresswoman wasserman schultz. the numbers are better. 200,000 jobs created, 8.5%. but you 13 million americans still out of work and the fact is that no president has been reelected with unemployment over 7.2% since fdr back in the 1930s. so, better, yes. not good. >> certainly not where we want to be. and it is important to look at where we were when president obama took office. i mean he did inherit an economy that and the largest set of problems of any president since fdr and was in a situation where we were bleeding 750,000 jobs a month when took office. now, three years later, 22 straight months of job growth in the private sector. you know, reince, it is amazing, disappointing actually that he seems disappointed in the progress we have been able to make. we had 22 straight months of job growth. almost 3 million jobs created in the private sector. 200,000 alone just in the last
month and now in manufacturing let me just correct what reince just said. we had the largest growth in the manufacturing sector that we had since 1997. >> chris: wait, wait, wait. i said i was going to play traffic cop and i'm going to do that. president obama was interviewed in early 2009 about a month after he took office and when was pushing his $800 billion stimulus. here is what he said about fixing the economy. >> if i don't have this done in three years then it will be a one term proposition. >> chris: the president has clearly failed to meet that test. >> i think the president certainly has been should be credited for pushing hard, fighting to get the economy turned around. fighting to create jobs without any help from the republicans at all. the republican congress. >> chris: but you would agree he hasn't gotten it done in three years? >> he inherited a huge set of problems at once and it is
clear. >> chris: that is what he said get it done in three years. >> i understand but i think that he deserves credit and should give himself some credit and does for beginning to get the economy turned around. bringinbringing this as far as. gone from an unemployment rate over 11% and now it is below nine and we are beginning to move in the right direction. >> chris: but it was 7.8% when took office. >> but he inherited a huge set of problems with an economy that was at the precipice of disaster thanks to republican policies. remember, george w. bush presided over the turning of the record surplus into a record deficit. a financial disaster because no one was minding the store. almost no regulation that was appropriate over the financial services industry. now, we have wall street reform that made sure that consum cons have protection and made sure that banks can't be too big to fail. we have begun to get things turned around and president
obama has. >> can i -- >> chris: go ahead. >> let me respond. the president is going to be held accountable to the standards that the president made himself. he promised 8% unemployment. if fact, it is even worse. his transition team promised that the point we would be at 6% unemployment. >> that is not true you. >> the other piece of all of this is that debbie wasserman schultz adds up all the people hired but doesn't substract all of the people laid off, number one. all of the pee people, every or month hundreds of thousands that aren't added into the number who said look, the economy is so bad i'm not even going to be looking for a job across this country. the president will be held to the standards that he set himself and right now he is failing to meet those standards. and in fact, debbie wasserman schultz and nancy pelosi were out there pounding the pavement
for hillary clinton warning us this is what was going to happen. they called him a hypocrit from the very beginning. so you want to talk about -- >> chris: let's move on. we don't need to go back to the 2008 election. the president says and this is one of the lines he will use in the general election that he is looking out for the middle class while republicans are protecting the wealthy. this week mr. obama made a recess appointment of richard cordray to head the consumer financial protection bureau. chairman, i understand that the gop has some problems with this but doesn't your party run the risk of looking like you are more concerned about protecting predatory lenders and debt collectors than you do protecting consumers? >> well, there is two different issues here, chris. one issue which is the agency itself. and dodd frank and that debate. but i think what -- and and ths
a serious issue. >> chris: if i may, sir, and i also interrupted congresswoman wasserman schultz the fact is that the republicans have been blocking appointing somebody to head the consumer financial protection bureau for months. >> here is the deal. i mean there are rules and there is a constitution and if we want to let the president -- >> chris: but the party blocked elizabeth warren first and richard cordray second long before this recess appointment was made. >> but chris, the president has to, though, live within the rules and within the confines of something called the united states constitution. he may not like it but the reality is that this president is making -- they are not even recess appointments but making appointments when the senate is not in recess. this is all about -- this is another chapter. i'm not saying that we are going to win an election on this issue. when it comes to power, when it comes to the growth of government this president takes the cake.
he gets the blue ribbon and this is just one more chapter in barack obama's book of trampling on the constitution, on growing a government that we already can't afford and he doesn't seem to want to stop. that is what this issue is at least in my mind. >> chris: let me give congresswoman wasserman schultz a chance. the fact it the democrats came up with the idea of the pro forma sessions to block president bush from making the recess appointments. wouldn't you be howling if bush made this appointment and was ignoring congress the way barack obama is now. >> what we are howling about on behalf of the american people is the basic premise of exactly what your question was. that the republicans didn't question the credentials, didn't question that he was qualified. they don't like the consumer protection bureau. as a result because they have
no interest in protecting consumers they refused to allow his nomination to come up for a vote. president obama allowd that process to go on for long enough and he went to bat for consumers. used his authority to recess appoint him so that the consumer protection bureau can get up and running and quite frankly what the republicans are trying to do is use a pro forma process process to try to block his nomination and his appointment. that is unfair and it is antigovernment. >> chris: wait. let me move on. let me -- chairman, let me move on. congresswoman, while republicans are just beginning to pick your nominee, their nominee, rather, your party has been putting out ad after ad targeting mitt romney and in fact during the debate last night the dnc cent out several e-mails going after romney but no one else. why all the focus by your party on mitt romney?
>> mitt romney earned that scrutiny. he has spent his entire campaign relentlessly attacking president obama, distorting his record, mischaracterizing his record. >> chris: forget about distorting. the fact is awful the republicans are going after obama but you guys are going after romney. >> mitt romney is one of the candidates who is near the top or at the top of their field and so he invites and deserves that scrutiny because he has been distorting and mischaracterizing the president's record. other presidential candidates have taken that line down and we are not going to. the fact is this president has a remarkable record of beginning to get the economy turned around and fighting for the middle class and working families. >> hold on one second. >> chris: i'm trying to be fair. >> you asked why the scrutiny because mitt romney has no convictions. he is someone who has flip flopped on every major issue you. >> come on, give me a break. >> chris: let me he ask you a question. you you go after romney for laying off people at bain
capital, correct? >> for lots of things related to his role at bain capital. >> chris: that is one of them. >> for that and -- >> chris: is the president responsible for laying off the people at solyndra? >> no, because the president wasn't the c.e.o. of solyndra? >> well, romney wasn't the c.e.o. of the companies either. the president was a venture capitalist and put taxpayer money into solyndra and a thousand people lost their jobs. is the president responsible for the thousand people who lost their jobs at solyndra. >> not even close. but mitt romney is responsible for being c.e.o. of companies that he took over that he -- >> chris: he wasn't c.e.o. he put money into that them. >> he was the c.e.o. of bain. >> the president is the c.e.o. of the country about. >> but not th c.e.o. of sol. you are saying the president has no responsibility for what happened at solyndra? >> i'm saying that mitt romney.
>> chris: i'm asking about the president. >> no, the president. >> chris: has no responsibility for solyndra? >> the president has responsibility for the green jobs program where he made investments. >> chris: and how about the company solyndra that went bankrupt? >> but the decisions that were made at solyndra that ultimately led to their bankruptcy were those of the people who worked for solyndra. mitt romney, chris, let me answer your question, please. >> chris: i think you you did answer the question. >> total apple oranges comparison. >> chris: you made the point. you think one is the c.e.o. and the other isn't. we have a minute left. chairman priebus your response to that, sir? >> i learned in law when the other side is losing the argument sometimes you quit talk and you let them continue. the reality is the president is the c.e.o. the fish rots at head. millions of americans don't feel better off today than they were three or four years ago. look, you know, if the democrats feel that mitt romney is so week it is curious as to why they keep attacking him.
i will let that up to the candidates. but the fact of the matter is this isn't about republicans and democrats. i think we should kind of put that on hold and start talking about america and our country is on the brink of an economic disaster that is very predictable and we have a president who we are going to hold his presidency accountable to the words and promises that he made himself and he has failed this country. >> chris: we have to leave it there. i know you both would like to talk more about this and you know what, we will have ten or 11 months to do so so we welcome you both back then and see how the battle lines lay out as we head into the general election this fall. thank you both. >> thank you you. >> chris: up next, the republican candidate with the money and fervent supporters to go keep into the primary, congressma we know a place where tossing and turning have given way to sleeping.
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>> chris: and we are back in manchester, new hampshire. joining us now it the candidate who finished in the top tier in iowa and is a strong second now in most polls heading into tuesday's primary here in new hampshire. congressman ron paul, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> thank you very much. nice to be with you. >> chris: let's start with your third place finish in iowa this week. according to the entrance polls you took 40% of voters who describe themselves as moderate or liberal but only 14% of republicans. question, how can you win the gop nomination if republicans don't vote for you? >> well, you know, there was another analysis of that, there was nearly half or 47% of the independent. but another number was close to
40 some that were conservative so maybe they are independents or something like that. the message toss to be across-the-board we have to get republican votes but right now, i'm strong on those individuals who want to come into the party. the young people wanting to come in, i do very well there. and independents, i would think. i still have to, you know, attract the voters who consider themselves conventional republicans. i talk about the wisdom of the republican party. they talk about limited government and balanced budgets and because i have to stand up against the party some people don't quite figure it out. but i really speak the language of the republicans who think that we should have limited government. >> chris: here in new hampshire, roughly 40% of the primary vote is expected to be so-called undeclared voters, not registered either as republicans or democrats. are you counting on the undeclared voters here in new hampshire? >> absolutely. and we solicit them and, of course, we go to the republicans as well.
but the whole spirit up here, you know, falls into place for what i have been talking about for a long time, very limited government, economically and with personal liberties. and so we work very hard with the independents but i think we are doing quite well with the republicans, too. >> chris: your campaign manager says that your focus is to win five caucus states, caucus states like, minnesota, and maine and missouri because if you take five states you can then get your name placed in nomination at the republican convention in tampa in august. question, that sounds more like a strategy to make a prime time speech at the convention or to affect the party platform than it does to win the nomination. >> of course, that is the fallback. if we don't pull it off and we are not in first place, yes, that would be a good goal and people ask me why i run and, you know, i run to win and i have won a lot but we also want to help direct the party and the country in a certain way so
that would be a very, very positive strategy so have an influence in the party and so we certainly would look at that as well. >> chris: let me ask you about that because you know there is a big deal made about the platform at the convention and then frankly i don't have to tell you people ignore it. is it important to you to get your views, antiwar views, antigovernment views into the party platform? >> well, i think so. you're right, but that is also the reason the american people are so sick and tired of the promises by republican and democratic leadership. they make the promises and have platforms and they go and they don't do anything about it. the democrats act like republicans, republicans act like democrats, they keep spending the money, they don't shrink the size of the government. they don't protect our privacy. >> chris: why do you care what is in the platform? >> i guess i'm an optimist. i have been plugging away for a long time. my views i ex-recommendationed
since the '70s. all of a sudden they are getting a lot of attention and popularity. the country out o out is lookia constitutional approach. think how many people now are looking at monetary policy and that happens every hundred years and ever knows we are up against the wall on the spending and debt is a problem and they know i'm aggressive on dealing with the deficits that we have. >> chris: in your speech in iowa tuesday night i think it is fair to say that you made a statement that no candidate running for president of the united states has ever made before. let's watch. >> i'm waiting for the day when we can say we are all austrians now. >> i think you would agree no presidential candidate ever said that. you were advancing something you believe deeply the austrian school of economics which opposes the idea of government intervention in times of downturn and crisis assays
basically believes in the value of what is called creative destruction. is that what president paul would do, creative destruction? >> well, that is thence t answo our problems. if you want economic growth you have to listen to that. that statement comes from the fact that i didn't have good handlers, i didn't listen, i'm sure a political handler what are you talking about. but a lot more people know about, the young people on campuses know. what you want is corrections and we are talking about a correction in one year instead of five or ten or fifteen years. for instance, japan has been correcting for 20 years and they haven't cleansed the system and gotten rid of the malinvestment and bad debt. we predicted the problems and said the malinvestment distortions come from the federal reserve having artificially low interest rates. >> chris: if it is going bad,
let it go bad. >> in 192 that is what we did and the gdp went down 15% and debt was liquidated and nobody remembers it. in the depression, the farmers don't have enough money. we plowed the crops under when people were starving. that is the silliness of government intervention. you need to get rid of the mistakes. you need the operation and surgical removal of the tumor and the tumor is the mistakes and the debt and this is why i make bold proposals to cut a trillion dollars out of the budget. >> chris: last week you were ask about and defended your criticism of the 1964 civil rights act which ended discrimination and public accommodation. back in 2004 you said this, the rights of all private property owners even those whose actions people find abhorrent must be respected if we are to maintain
a free society. are you saying that the owner of a private restaurant should be able to decide whether or not to serve black people? >> what i'm saying is i'm challenging individuals to say what is private property. is private property is your house private property but your restaurant is not. how do you separate the two? one is good and one isn't. but, yes, we believe that the laws, the bad laws, the jim you laws where government forces integration they are evil. >> forces segregation. >> and so we have to get rid of those but you don't throw away all private property because we are convinced that your civil liberties are protected by your property. ju have a righyou have a righte speech. nobody can walk in and assert themselves. the bedroom is private property. if you want to protect sexual preferences you protect the privacy of the bedroom. >> are you saying if i own a
restaurant and i don't want to serve an african american i should be -- >> what they have done. that has been settled a long time ago. if would be a devastating thing for people to do that. they would lose their business. >> chris: would it be wrong? >> it would be morally wrong. i'm not going to throw out because i have such high regard for property rights injuries the whole thing is sometimes these things don't work out as well. they privatized a lot of things. private clubs and things like that. you have to change people's hearts and minds but you have to understand property and property protects our religious and personal beliefs and civil liberties. throw that all out and think how often government was the culprit whether it was slavery or the jim crow laws and segregation in the military. this was all government. we want that out of the way. >> chris: sounds like idealia
and i'm not saying you would do it because i know you are practical, sounds like you would like to return back a century to the days when government didn't intervene when there was an economic problem and didn't soften the blow and didn't enforce racial cession grace. >> if you go back 100 years you go back to jim crow laws and slavely. no, we don't want to go back. we want to build on the freedoms that our founders gave us and the tremendous success we have had and the prosperity. now, we are losing our liberties with the national defense authorization act and the arrest of american citizens. i mean we are going backwards on this and all civil liberty is delegate to be attacked if we -- is going to be attacked if we don't reverse this. >> chris: you have been leaving the door open again to running as an in dependent if you don't win the republican nomination. i want to take you back to a conversation you and i had two months ago here on "fox news
sunday." let's watch. >> i have no intention of doing that. that doesn't make any sense to me to even think about it let alone plan to do that. >> chris: because? >> because i don't want to do it. >> you liked that answer. >> chris: i loved it then and i love it now. my question is where are you. are you saying i will decide later or i have no intention of doing it because i don't want to do it? >> i will give the same answer. i don't want to do it. i want to see how well i do. i'm doing pretty darn well. >> chris: leaving the door open or not leaving the door open? >> i'm not an absolutist. when i left congress i had no intention whatsoever to going back. but 12-15 years, if i would have said i will never return to congress it would have closed the door. everybody knows i have no intention of doing that. it would be a bit of a burden and besides i don't want to do it. >> chris: thank you for coming in and talking with us.
senate as to how you do things. you have to lead and inspire. i wish people in washington had the experience of going out and working in the real economy first before they went there and they would understand some of the real lessons of leadership. >> chris: one of the key he exchanges during last night's republican debate. time for our special new hampshire sunday group. bret baier, anchor of special report. a.b. tad car stoddard of the hl newspaper. and neil of the new hampshire institute of politics. welcome all of you. >> welcome. >> chris: is one of the key political figures in the state who has not endorsed a candidate. let me ask you who helped themselves last night and who hurt themselves. >> governor romney helped himself by putting a good case for himself but also by avoiding being chat reppe chaly the other candidates. i think actually governor perry
had a nice presentation but didn't have a lot of face time. i think governor -- i think rick santorum did well though he mixed it up to ron paul with a touching scenion a point where i'm not sure how that the react the next dumb of days. couple of days. >> the institute of politics help sponsor the debate. do you see it affecting the race the next 48 hours? >> the fact that romney did well and seems to have gotten through it okay certainly will get us to tuesday where he seems unscathed. the fact that they did not land a punch essentially with him seems to make sure that he has got a good commanding lead here in new hampshire. >> chris: and explain that to me. everybody, coming in, everybody thought santorum and gingrich was going to go after him. he does have a lead depending on the poll you lead of 20 points. why didn't they go after him harder?
>> i don't know. seems to be a race for second. the fact is romney came into the debate. he landed his economic message 30ht through the first 30 fin minutes, got his message out. and in new hampshire he has been campaigning hard. he is almost unscathed with this message going into tuesday. >> chris: bret, i think it is fair to say the two big takeaways from the polls so far is that romney is holding on to his commanding lead and that rick santorum is not getting as much of a bounce out of his basically dead heat finish in iowa as a lot of people expected. are you surprised by either of those? >> not surprised by either of those. i'm surprised at the surge of ron paul. we thought he would do well, here. he could very well finish second behind romney. it is as you know an open primary. there is a lot of as you talked about in your interview an effort to go after independents. i was struck by ron paul in
that when answers the question whether there is a third-party run or not it has now turned into i'm going to make an impact on the gop platform and, however, he finishes very few people he is going to be the nominee but he is going to have an influencial role in tampa at the convention and what he does to the gop platform is i have heard more and more not only in your interview but in the debate last night. >> chris: it is interesting in that regard because his people talk openly about going to the caucus states which is not where you get the delegates but you if you get a plurality in five states you can have your name placed in nomination and more of a role in the platform. more of a strategy as i said in my interview with him to have an influence in tampa than it is to be the nominee. >> i think he is going to have a significant influence. how he affects the gop platform will be really interested as you go ahead to the general election. listen, this is not done. south carolina is still going
to be a real fight we think. but in new hampshire it feels less of a battle than it ever has i think in recent memory. >> chris: a.b., why do you think it is that santorum has not had the bounce that a lot of candidates get when they do surprisingly well in iowa? and a second question, huckabee did well in iowa and came here and afterwards he and his campaign aides say it was a huge mistake, he never had a chance here, he should have skipped new hampshire and gone straight to south carolina and spent his money and time and energy there. so what about santorum, his failure -- his apparent failure here and should he have just skipped new hampshire and gone straight to south carolina? yes. >> made many visits to south carolina. people didn't know he that until this week. he also made many visits here and he wants to win in the northeast. he wants to paint himself as a general election who can win, take the fight to obama and not just in the south among
evangelical core christian conservative voters. he wanted to do that. it might in hindsight be a mistake but he still has time to win, south carolina. the problem is he is running out o of time that is more important than money. what we have seen since iowa is the conservatives talking about how they going to get together and try to coalesce behind santorum as an antiromney choice. gingrich and perry are still in the race. santorum has to get rid of them. he needs the help of big endorsements where heavies in the conservative movement are urging supporters to rally behind santorum and urge gingrich and perry to quit. and he needs to make the next 11 days count for him to win, south carolina, and say mitt romney white have won well in new hampshire but you he and i shared iowa. unless the social conservatives get behind him now he is not going to have a chance. >> reporter: i want to pick up
on something that bret said. we had some pretty dramatic, new hampshire primaries over the years. i can think of 1980 when bush george h.w. bush won iowa and regan came back and well, i'm looking at another one here that they put up instead which is that was another scramble, obama won iowa and then hillary clinton, of course, staged a big comeback here and then the other one was bush and we don't even seem to have film. just still pictures. guys, there were movies in those days. bush won iowa and then regan saved his candidacy and went on to become president with his victory here. so far at least, new hampshire, seems a little boring. >> it has been a different primary cycle, no question about it. late breaking and also the focus on the debates and sort of the national attention has taken some of the attention away from the early states. i would say here in new hampshire there is no real, iowa bounce. and you used a couple of examples where new hampshire
voters are fiercely independent and they will vote for the person who brings the best message and who in the end can win the nomination. we are usually behind the candidate that carries the nomination and i think that will probably happen again here in new hampshire if that person can sustain their campaign past new hampshire. that has been a different primary cycle. no question about that. >> chris: pick up on that. the surprise sox few surprises. romney came in with the 20-point lead and still has the 20-point lead. santorum hasn't gotten much of a bounce. really hasn't moved at all so far. >> the other history lesson here is that most republican voters seem to pick people who have been on the ballot before. we look back to nixon, regan, bush as you mentioned. even mccain. the fact is that romney has been on the ballot before. so has dr. paul. we have the first and second place people who have already been on the republican ballot. known commodities and they seem to be going into the election doing pretty well. mentioning ron paul the fact is
that he is bringing people into the party that, you know, are first-time rublicans essentially. so he will have an influence going down the line. >> chris: we have to take a break here. we we come back, the economy is a campaign issue. with jobless numbers improving how will republicans push back against the president who now says his policies are working. you've felt like this before, right? 2:30 in the afternoon, a lot to do, and you've hit the wall. but you got to get stuff done. so take 5-hour energy. just open it up, knock it back, and roll up your sleeves. 5-hour energy is faster and easier than coffee. man, does it work. you'll get that alert, energized feeling you need to get stuff done. a lot of stuff. wow. look at you go. 5-hour energy. when you gotta get stuff done.
unemployment runners but gop frontrunner mitt romney still not impressed. we are back with the panel. bret, let's pick up with my discussion with the two national party chairs. unemployment, there was 200,000 jobs created, unemployment numbers down. good news for the country. how much does it hurt the republicans in making their main argument which is that this president has mismanaged the economy. >> and that was a firey discussion, by the way. it does hurt the argument. however, they are saying the recovery would have been better had president obama not been in office. in other words, he made the recovery worse even if it is happening as the white house believes it truly is. and the numbers show it is. the republicans are going to argue that regulations, the environment, setting the table for businesses still is an issue that they can run on and really affect a lot of voters on that issue. however, the democrats are going to have if things are
trending in the right way a powerful feel to things are on the right track. and that is a challenge for somebody like governor romney and in his one of the questions in the abc debate you saw him not answer the specifics about his economic plan but turn it to american exceptionalism and this broad general election argument and this is really what he is going to try to pitch. >> chris: a.b., i want to pick up on that. it is clear that by historical standards unemployment is still going to be very high by november of 2012 as i mentioned with congresswoman wasserman schultz the highest unemploy hadn't rate any president had to get reelected since fdr was ronald reagan. on the other hand, president obama is going to be able to argue as bret said we are making progress and things are headed in the right direction. which do you think is the stronger side of the argument, the absolute numbers or the
question of direction, momentum? >> if the numbers continue to show progress and not deterioration i think it will be we are in a normal. we can talk about the fragile euro zone and weak housing market. there are so many fundamental problems underlying the economy still. economists predict a slowdown in growth in 2012 that wasn't as good as we had last quarter. there is loot of problems remaining. the public's measure is often the unemployment number. if they can show there has been sustained job growth throughout 2011 and continues into 2012 that will be good for president obama. you heard mitt romney, he said the president made the rerecession deeper and the recovery for tepid. president obama will make the argument about sunsetting the
bush tax cuts for the highest earners. the republicans need to make the argument that sunsetting the tax cuts for the wealthiest earners is a threat to the recovery and need to make that case forcefully because he will be telling the middle class you are the only ones that need a tax cut. >> chris: as a conservative republican how do you weigh in on the argument and unemployment here in new hampshire, 5.2%. is the economy still a big issue here? >> the economy is the issue here. and job creation is the issue here in new hampshire as it is across the country. there is a lot of anxiety that those numbers are masking a lot of underemployed people. people at risk of losing jobs or at least they fear that and this is a very anemic recovery if that is what is happening 200,000 jobs after spending almost a trillion dollars in stimulus this economy is not moving forward in the way it should be and government was the problem that brought us to the great recession in the first place. that is the fundamental difference between the democratic approach which is to say the government is the
solution. we recognize the government was the problem and then the government has to get out of the way of the private sector so jobs can be created here in new hampshire and across the country. >> new hampshire which was a traditionally republican state has in recent cycles become something of a swing state. obama won here last time with 54% of the over john mccain. how would he do if the election were held today against mitt romney. >> we are a purple state now. i think unemployment 5.2% here in new hampshire and the fact that we are still talking about the economy. foreclosures are still high in new hampshire and that is the number one issue going into the primary. whether or not the president -- they are going to put a lot of effort here in new hampshire. we are swing. ,e have four electoral votes, not a lot but we could make the difference. >> chris: what do you think today if it were romney obama? a dead heat? >> i think it is a dead heat and it will depend on who is in the ballot in state elections
and things like that. >> chris: do you agree with that? >> i agree it will be a swing state again which is why new hampshire is such an important state after our primary is over. whoever is going to prevail in the presidency has to carry new hampshire 2000 new hampshire went to george w. bush. there would have been no florida and president gore would by the president we he would see for 8 years potentially. >> chris: the new hampshire chamber of commerce approves that message. let me go back to something that a.b. said. that is the president's new push to be the champion of the middle class and we saw this fight this week with about richard cordray as head of the consumer protection bureau. there are arguements on both sides injuries the president is able to say i want to put a watch dog out there to protect you against predatory lenders and debt collectors. the republicans are saying no.
who has the better side of that argument politically? >> politically the white house believes the president is going run against a do nothing congress and he has done so effectively. affected his approval rating so far in the battle back and forth as we continue to live on the precipice every few months in washington of the next crisis. back to the campaign, i think republicans come back to what is the starkest difference between president obama and the nominee and that is where the argument for the newt gingrichs and the rick perries and they say that they are more of a stark change, a different change than mitt romney. and they are hoping to gain steam that way. so far it hasn't taken off, especially not here in new hampshire. >> chris: a.b., do you think that the white house is playing between the payroll tax last month and now the fight over the consumer financial protection bureau, do you think that they are winning on that? >> i think that we will see in the months to come whether or
not the real challenges and investigations into the recess appointment is going to make enough headlines and have political reverberations to him. i think in dehe pendent voters aren't paying attention to that. if they are sold on the argument we need a consumer protection bureau and a director to run it it might be advantageous to the president. the payroll tax cut fight certainly benefited the president and the republicans are preparing right now, chris to fold on that again so it doesn't become a second fight. >> chris: thank you, panel. see some of you next week. check out panel plus where our group picks right up with the discussion on our website fox newssunday .com. we'll post the video before noon on the website.
>> chris: was a week that started with victory and defeat in iowa but there was no time to race hurdled on to new hampshire. we followed it all on the trail. >> reporter: game on. it's been a great victory for us here. last night the people spoke with a very clear voice. so i have decided to stand aside. >> thank you, it's been a wonderful ride. >> governor romney relentlessly
making campaign, turned one of the events into it. establishment is teaming up, mr. romney is the choice for the republican party. i say the people of new hampshire will not be told for whom to vote. >> all right. see you guys, bye-bye. >> this president has engaged and is engaging in crony capitalism. >> someone needs to stand up enough mr. president. >> we've worked here for many years. if you think of us as partners he clearly would have been the junior partner. >> we have people that want to make themselves heard. >> everybody has a right to live their life, but it doesn't mean they are entitled to certain
benefits that society obtains from certain relationships. >> fresh from the landslide in iowa. [ laughter ] >> maybe can we double that number, instead 16. >> i am confident that a candidate that america needs will come out of new hampshire. >> i would love to have your help on tuesday. this election is wide open as you know. >> we are predicting we are going to do very well on tuesday. >> chris: and pace will just as hectic. polls open midnight on tuesday morning. please furnish into fox news channel at 8:00 p.m. when brett baier and megyn kelly will anchor our coverage for the new hampshire primary. have a great week and we'll see you back in washington next fox news sunday.