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threatingening to leave the party, he speaks o o live this morning onlyy on "this wk." and with the iowa caucuses 50 days away and two days to the final gop debate of 2015, this morning on "this week," so many questions about the race, answers, insights, analysis. >> announcer: from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. and we come on the air this week to a major shakeup in the race to the white house, a brand-new poll just released by the des moines register shows ted cruz blowing by donald trump in the key first state of iowa. there you see the numbers. cruz now at 31%. ten points ahead of donald trump. ben carson falling hard from his first-place showing in october, he joioi us liv in a moment. but we begin with more on this stunning poll and a defini week in this campaign from jon karl at the white house. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, george.
the iowa caucuses while donald trump still has a commanding lead everywhere else, he's losing badly to ted cruz in the state that gets to vote first and republicans are gunning for him everywhere else. is this the week the republican party came undone? >> out wez pretty brutal four days ago for trump. >> reporter: on monday, he announced his most controversial plan yet. >> donald j. trump is calling for a complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the helt is going on. >> reporter: party leaders denounced the proposal as not just wrong but un-american. >> what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and more importantly, it's for. >> reporter: every candidate in the race not named trump opposed
jeb bush even called trump unhinged. >> i'm not one of these other guys that goes down. i don't go down i go up. >> do you have a warning for gop leaders? >> i say, folks, i'm sorry i did this to you. >> reporter: now the latest poll out of iowa shows that senator ted cruz is taking the top spot in the hawkeye state, ten points ahead of trump. cruz was caught on tape obtained by "the new york times" caught caught -- >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? now that's a question of strength but a question of judgment. >> reporter: this caused trump to take this subtle swipe at cruz. >> i like cruz, but not a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba. >> ben carson threatened to leave the party gop leaders
stopped at the party's convention. >> i don't think the party should be doing anything that's deceptive and under the covers and thwarts the will of the people. >> reporter: a party in disarray, setting the stage for the last republican debate in 2015, just two days away. trump's iowa problem has been brewing for some time, back in october, i was bencarson who was beating him in iowa and back then, george, trump responded by asking, how stupid are the people in iowa? it turns out, perhaps insulting the voters of the state may not be the best way to win them over. let's get moren this, y y ha polling in iowa for decades. have you seen a surge like this? >> you know, we went and looked back at the last five caucus
jump this big, we have never seen a spike like this for a candidate. >> you know, trump has gone up, t just ass much as cruz, so cruz -- is his play nice strategy, is that paying off? >> well, the play nice strategy may be paying off, he's also doing the ground work with the evangelical conservative community. he got some key endorsements in the past week, he may b be that candidate that people loooo for to coalesce around. >> you got numbers behind the numbers. it's something called the selzer index. >> the selzer score. the field is so big, but just looking at the horse race didn't give enough information about potential for canandates to get stronger. ted cruz's number is huge in our selzer score.
hit his ceiling yet, there are more upside, more people who would be a good second choice and there's a large group of people they would see him supporting thth. we add that together with the index, we call that selzer score. >> what happened to ben carson. >> ben carson has just sort of rolled down a hill, it seems, he didn't have a strong debate performance, things turned to foreign policy, he's just not one of the people canan find strength to hold on that makes him stronger than cruz on any of the measureshat we took a look at. >> all right, thank you. let's go now tor. ben florida. you is seen those poll numbers, what do you think went wrong? >> well, you know, poll numbers go up and down. i wasn't excited when thehere
you know, this is a very fluid contest and it's the reason we have it. we have opportunities for people to listen carefully, not to listen to the spin but actually to listen to what's being said. the people will make the correct choice. >> ted cruzz thinks he knows what went wrong. in that piece, not onl went after trump but questioned what voters think about you. >> who is prepared to be a commander in chief, who understands the threats we face?? that's a question of strength but it's also question of judgment and i think that's a questionon that's a challenging question for both of them. >> how do you respond to that analysis from ted cruz? >> well, you know, we hav had different type of experiences. no question i haven't spent a lot of time asking for big money
i spent many a night inhe operating room, cold sterling place, with a little ild's life on the line. a very different kind of experience. lots of 2:00 a.m. in the morning calls. >> do you think that's extent of ted cruz's experience, sch moozing, going to cocktail parties? >> more of a politician's experience, and i have a healer's experience. the fact of the matter is, you know, i have had a lot of experience in corporate america, i have worked with a lot of ceos and one of things that i recognize, a good ceo doesn't necessarily know everything but he gets a lot of people around him, h hhas a vice president of hr, of finance, of mergers and
them in an appropriate way. do you know how to use the people around you? do you have wisdom and judgment? that isemonstrated by the life that you have led. >> you have been making that point for several weeks, it doesn't seem to be working. are you going to have to try something different? >> no, i will hopefully people will determine at some point, do we want to continue down the road that we have been going down for a l lg period of time? or, are we going to stop in you have know, when it coms to experience in congress, you got almost 9,000 years worth of it, i don't know if that's the correct answer at least that kind of experience. >> you know, you had some strong words for party leaders responding to that story that jon karl mentioned, to s sp someone like trump or perhaps you and you then put out a
beginning of a plan to subvert the will of voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, i assure you donald trump will not be the only one leaving the party. >> one of the reasons i got into this is because i heard the frustration inn people who are so tired of back room deals, of dishonesty, and you know, if that's the case, you know, i'm out of here. i have subsequently spoken to reince preibus. the jury is out. we'll be keeping a close eye on things. >> lot of reaction to donald trump's comments about barring muslims entry. marco rubio called it offensive. did you find these comments offensive?
comments i would have used. i understand the concept of, you know, not letting people in until they were well screened. i w/uldn't do on the basis of religion. but it makes perfect sense for us to start doing something now and not just let people in, you know, this whole syrian thing, when i was over there, nobody wanted to come here, they wanted to be resettled in their own country and there are adequate ways to do that or take car of them in jordan. there's millions of them. that's just a band aid to make some people feel good. >> but your campaign has some inconsistent statements on this broader issue. on monday, you put out a statement, everyone should motor during their stay. on tuesday, you told cnn, that idea is ridiculous. do you understand how that flip
>> it's not a flip. because you have to listen to what i said when i talked about monitoring. what i said, when i go into another country, they want to know where i'm going, what address i'm going to be staying, how long i'm going to be there, i'm not talking about following them around with the fbi. >> you just want them to lay out their eyeitinerary? >> yeah, i mean, we should be able to find them. we should know what they're doing that. >> but won't a terrorist just lie? >> well, again, we're going to have to be a little smarter. you probably have seen some of the questions they ask in the screening. have you been a terrorist or are you planning a terrorist attack? give me a break, why don't we go to israelis and ask them how they do it.
isn't not consistent with the constitution, what do you mean by that? >> if you accept the premsz, including sharia, which places other religions in a subservient position, which opposes things like death on homosexuals. these things aren't consistent with the american constitution. if somebody believes in islam and they're willing to reject those portions openlyly i don't have a problemem with that. but if they're not willing to reject them, then it's not consistent wath what we're doing here and all you have to do is go back to the holy land foundation trial and look at the explanatory memorandum that was brought up there, the muslim brotherhood in america was,
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politicians across the developed world have been echoing trump's poup list. >> that's donald d trump's theme song. we'reeot going to take it. it's the essence of his antiestablishment appeal. trump is not alone, in country after country, poup lists are gaining ground. in hungary, sounding the same theme and he's building a razor-wire fence to keep syrian refugees from flowing in. none have gone as far as trump. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> reporter: that extremist proposal shocked people around the world. in london --
it's not fair. to million of people, not just me. >> reporter: in paris. i think it's really crazy. >> reporter: in dubai they tore his name and face off a billboard at a golf course there. u.s. officials and many others worry that trump's proposal plays right into the hands of isis who will use it for recruitment. frump's muslim ban was thrown as canadian justin thor roe greeted refugees. so far being the republican's establishment nightmare. is working just fine for donald trump with republican voters.
let's talk about this with bill crist tol nancy gribs and robin wright. robin, let's begin with this. you reported from several dozen, more than hundred countries around the world, it seems as donald trump is tapping into real anger around the globe. >> in the aftermath of the islamic state and the rippling bernardino. there's astononhment at the kind of statements coming out of american politicians. that there would be such racism against a whole people for the acts of very small group of individuals. and ironically it comes at a time that we need the world to act together more than ever. there are these big issues in an
united states needs other partners, needs some sense of a common good and yet there's more divisive tonight in terms of a religion, race, all forms of identity. >> nancy, you madenamed time's person of the year. donald trump dididt get it. angege merkel of germy. donald trump didn't like that. >> i would expect to approve the choice. a year from now f he's been elected president, we'll see how he'll actually handle a crisis. merkel has faced multiple times this year fundamental threats to the future ofeurope, global economy, now the terrorist attacks, has to make really hard decisions and act on them. there's a big difference between people running for officend people in office.
trump's comments uphold over time? no question that every one of his entertainments that think have gone over the line give him strength. you believe this hurts him? >> yeah, i don't think republicans are going to nominate someone that say things that are inflammatory. i mean, president obama gives a speech sunday night that seems oblivious to the actualhreat and the bulk of the speechh saying we have to be very kind to muslims both at home and aboard. then, today's "the new york times," department of home land security didn't screen the facebook posts of the murderer in sanan bernardino. >> hard to believe.
department of home land security whether it was appropriate to do so. >> and david, you have studied the evangelical community a lot, you reported on them in iowa and across the country. you think donald trump tapped into something there. >> donald trump is around. he's got staying power. if you go around the country, he's a player and he's player we advantagely calls, i think george, evangelical see the world in absolutes. donald trump sees the world in absolutes as well. there's a kinship there. a dr. phil moment, if you will. i think it's not just that, but i think he's bringing up thehe sensitivityopic of islam, it's a tier-a issue we advantagely calls and it's resonates. >> ted cruz who has just surged
kristol you covered these caucuses for a long time, he does have a profile of a republican candidate in the past who have won in iowa. >> yeah, was i i iowa last weekend. i felt that cruz was having a pretty good run. you know, people have been intrigued by trump, he's saying things that they're happy to have him say. he's been stead at 20%. >> actually went up a couple of points. >> 23%. ted cruz is serious. ted krusz -- the irony is the washington establishment probably hates ted cruz more than donald trump. >> you know, that iowa poll also found that a majority of trump spotters don't think he has the temperament to be president. so, right now, we're still talking about protests. iowa tends to break very late and it's true what has happened
but i think we're still quite a weeks away from knowing what's going to happen in iowa. >> there's been a different leader every month. >> we have 11 months to go until the election and the vote, first vote happens early in the new year. but ithink, with allhese different kind of pull and tug and the issues have changed so much in the last few months, we have gone from economic issues to national security issues. that's one of the reasons why ben carson has plummeted -- >> also, if you look athe popoing, terrorism, the number one polling issue, donald trump plays to that, and he plays well to that. in politics it's all about a narrative being crafted. donald trump is the $10 billion success guy who knows how to make the art of the deal.
translate into the terrorism realm, potentially coming through with some victories here. >> here's an important point. robin mentioned. >> he only has one-liners. at some point he has to more serious and deliberate. >> cruz is underrated as a finalist. robin mentioned correctly, cruz, trump and carson, what's their total? >> every 65%. bush, rubio and christie together, 19%. everyone on the establishment side -- once the establishme comes together, that will establish the candidate. beats ted cruz and trump. iowa is a conservative state. if you go down the calendar, you can write -- i think ted cruz is more serious than people think. >> he's raised more money than anyone besides jeb bush.
does well in new hampshire, you're setting up this scenario, even though that meeting that happened in washington, brokered convention, that will have a lot of people nervous at the top ranks of the republican party. >> this she where trump is so helpful too cruz. he f fmed it being a race about who can stand up to cruz. cruz wears washington hostility like a badge of honor. >> i think it's relatively real, from a plausibility standpoint, marco rubio potentially could be in the mix here, if gop establishment folks get behind him. donaldldrump isn't going away any time soon because he has about $10 billion or so. >> if heecides to spend it. >> plus, he has a lot of stable support behind him. so, you can literally see this
the delegates on the first ballot. >> i think chris christiti can make a move. someone who's experienced and tough. if i'm christie, i say at the debate tuesday night, we have two inexperienced guys. we got an older guy who's also experienced and just shoots off his mouth, i'm the guy who can be a solid -- there's a little bit of a christie scenario. >> to whattegree is the republican establishment out of sync with the body of politics? >> 100%. the main thing they discussed should they get the three-course or the five-course menu. >> the whole idea of brokered convention, you wonder if we're
against its members and its institutions. the mosque that was firebombed last friday, quite a few violent attacks have been taken against mosques. because of suspicious powder that we received with a debt threet on it. luckily, everyone is safe and the matter is being investigated by the fbi. , yes, there's's a sense of anxiety and this comes, you know, in the background of the anti-muslim sentiment that has been unfortunately fueled by donald trump and his likes from his platform. >> but congressman carson, you heard marco rubio n the wake of donald trump's comments saying there's no wididpread
muslims. >> that's untrue. you have seen poll numbers. when these politicians make these inflammatory remarks, they're rewarded with higher polling numbers. there they are judges. my father in the law is first muslim judge. anyone who wants to be the commander in chief has to know that and accept that as reality. >> a real fear out there right now, what do you say to americans? polls show majority o o americans show that islam is inconsistent with american values.
there are numerous attempts thwarted. look at our jobs numbers, there are muslim businessmen and women that are start startingg business. they're putting americans back to work. not only is islam a religion of peace, but muslims are here a valuable part of our community. >> what do you do about the problem of radicalization? it says isis mobilization in the united states has been unprecedented. as of the fall 2015, u.s. authorities speak of some 250 americans who have traveled or attempted to travel to syria/iraq to join the islamic state in iraq and syria. the number of young men who have been arrested on isis-raeelated charged has doubled in the last year.
jade, there are 80 million muslims in the united states. also, let's look at the bigger picture, isis wants us to be afraid. isis wants to divide us. isis wants to bhe afraid of one another. the bigger picture is, we have 350 mass shootings in 2015 alone and we see this media and political attention given to the acts of few thugs related to isis in the united states. not the 350 mass shoings which means, one more mass shooting per day happened in the united states, happened at the hands of people who are not of the islamic faith. unfortunately, we're giving a lot of credit to isis and to their recruited individuals who are very few in the united states.
>> i totally agree. this has been a called to action, the rhetoric that we're seeing. it concerns me. i think most of our largest domestic threat comes from racial supremeist group. there's a restoration movement taking place. people want to take us back to the good old days. we'll see next year the american people who are very intelligent, they'll push back on this kind of rhetoric because it's very dangerous. i have met mr. trump. he's smart man, which means his rhetoric is that much more dangerous. web we come back, a rocky week on wall street, what's ahead for the markets and the economy in 2016. the editor in chief of the wall
abc stations. huge drop on wall street this week the dow down more than 300 points on friday. putting stock markets in the red for 2015. before the federal reserve's expected hike in interest rates this week. what to expect from markets, the editor inhief of the wall street journal. this week, rebecca, plunging oil prices had a lot to do with the stock market drop. >> absolutely, george. here's the problem with plunging oil prices, first what it says about the global economy, it's demanding less oil, that could mean that the global economy is getting weaker. second of all,l, it drags dowow energy companies. energy companies, the energy sector in this country has the weakest job growth, in fact, they have had the most layoffs of any sector in this country. 120,000 jobs loss and these are
being able to pay that debt back going forward relies on oil prices going up. a problem highlighted inhe past, junk bonds. >> they're not so highly rated. they're ones they represent a higher risk for investors. they offer a higher yield when they you buy a bond. they have to pay a higher rate of interests. interest rateso low. at 0%. those junk bonds, those high-yield bonds actually look quite attractive. they have been piling into those bonds, liking what they see and the yield they get. especially into companies, as rebecca said in the energy sector, that are now starting to struggle, there's a huge imbalance in the supply of energy and demand for energy. and those bonds of those
producing such a high yield are starting to fall in price significantly. >>early everyone is expected the fed to raise rates this week. >> look the fed hasn't raised interest rates since 2006. they held interest rates at zero since just after the financial crisis, an unprecedented period. a mortgage in europe, a bank sends you a check each week. the u.s. economy is growing, not growing very fast, but unemt employment had come down. the economy is growing at a rate where it thinks it has to push interest rates back up. these low interest rates, the huge demand that the federal reserve has pushing into the economy which has helping the economy for so long. >> so, more drops in the market this week? >> what happens when we lose the training wheels, that's the
week, there will be volatility. last week we saw the fear index spike. we'll be on the federal reserve. we're heading into unchartered territory. we haven't been in this position as you say for the last decade. now we're going into this new phase, where the training wheels come off the economy and what happens next, there are still huge question marks. >> you know, several years now of job creation, long and slow recovery heading into this presidential election cycle, do you think the recovery continues or it loses steam? >> it has been in place for 6 1/2 years. the average length of an expansion has been over five years. this is long in the tooth this expansion by historic standards. every reason to think that the odds of a recession in the next couple of years are rising significantly. with china showi weak growth,
and with an economy that remains, that's not shown significant signs of growth, i think the risk of recession are rising. >> thank you both very much for time. gloria steinem has released her first book, my life on the road. she sat down with our own cokie roberts. >> reporter: gloria steinem loved and hated by millions grew up in a world modern americans wouldn't recognize. women were legally denieie jobs prominent positions. but instead of accepting that word, she led a movement to change it. >> i had to get married and have children. and courtesy of all the women who were speaking out about different kinds of lives i
>> reporter: you now see people still havinghose kinds of arguments. i mean, does it wear you out to see what people call the moy wars? >> it does drive me crazy. what about daddies? >> reporter: there are daddies. particularly true in the political world. a female candidate is asked, who's going to takee care of the children? and the male candidate is never asked that question. >> and male candidate is applauded for considering did family and what's going to happen to his, you know, deciding whether to run for president. if a woman did the same thing she's often kind of disqualified by that. >> reporter: we're seeeeg it right now, paul ryan saying, as a condition of taking the speaker shipe that he needed to spend time with his family. and everybody said, oh, isn't that sweet?
i recognized that as progress. >> reporter: so, though much hasas anged much hasnot. what about t t biggest psible change? a woman president. steinem endorsed hillary clinton in 2008 and didn't think the country was ready for a female commander in chief. >> what made me feel that way was seeing grownup friends of ours, guys in the media who are perfectly serious people, saying things about hillary clinton, i cross my legs when i see her. she reminds me of my first wife standing outside alimony court. looking at a powerful woman made them feel they had regressed to childhood. >> so, do you think 2016 the country is ready for a woman commander in chief? >> yes, i do. >> reporter: but it's a challenge that gloria stein em
candidate, as sheas taken on so many others of women that come after her. >> i wouldn't demand gratitude. >> reporter: i'd like a little. >> well, i think it's really helpful to know what happened in the past. it helps you. >> reporter: what's ahead? >> that's a great question. because, people are asking me these days, what are you most proud of? things like that. i haven't done it yet. i live in the future. >> right. >> thanks to cokie for at. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. we'll be live from new hampshire
morning america." >> now it's this week in siouxland. >> today on this week in siouxland, a legislative round up as the new year approaches so does another session for lawmakers from all three siouxland states. this morning state senators from south dakota and nebraska join me with a preview of what voters n expect this session. later we'll turn o our attention to the race for the white house. it was a week jam packed with political power, republicans and