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05/17/18 05/17/18 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from the university of california santa cruz, this is democracy now! on our palestinian addition to participate in the daily and weekly activities wherever they're located until june 5, marking the occupation of jerusalem. thee determined to continue protest of return and breaking the siege. amy: as palestinians vow to continue protesting against the israeli occupation of gaza, we will speak to a canadian doctor who was shot by israeli forces in both legs monday while he was helping injured palestinians. israeli forces shot 19 medical
personnel on monday alone. dr. tarek loubani will join us as there is a call for an investigation into the killings. more than 100 since then we look march 30. back at the catonsville nine. 50 years ago today, a group of catholic priests and laypeople set fire to hundreds of draft records using homemade napalm to protest the vietnam war and u.s. imperialism. fathersants included phil and dan berrigan. close we have chosen to be powerless in a time of criminal power. ashave chosen to be branded prunes by were criminals. amy: father berrigan would write -- but our apologies good friends for the fracture of good order. the burning of paper instead of children."
and we get the latest on north korea's threats to cancel the june 12 u.s.-north korean summit after national security adviser john bolton said the u.s. should use the libyan model for denuclearization. we will speak with professor christine hong. and we will get the latest on -- illinois all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the white house dismissed north korea's threats wednesday to walk away from a planned summit between president trump and north korean leader kim jong-un. this week, north korean state media said the talks, scheduled to be held in singapore on june 12, might be canceled if the u.s. continues to demand it unilaterally abandon its nuclear arsenal. north korea also objected to the after the u.s. refused to cancel joint wargames with south korea's military. at the white house, trump said, "we'll have to see," when asked if the talks were still on. this is white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders.
>> this is something that we fully expected. the president is very ready for tough negotiations. if they want to meet, we will be ready. if they don't, that is ok, too. amy: we will have more on north korea and the prospects of a trump-kim summit later in the broadcast. in the gaza strip, israeli warplanes launched at least six air strikes overnight, in what israel's military said were attacks on hamas targets. the bombings came as the united nations human rights council said it will hold a special session friday to discuss escalating violence in gaza. on monday, israeli forces shot dead at least 61 unarmed palestinian protesters taking part in the great march of return. more than 2700 palestinians were injured. after headlines, we'll go to gaza to speak with dr. tarek
loubani, palestinian an emergency room doctor who is canadian, treating gunshot wound patients in gaza when he was shot by an israeli sniper himself earlier this week. new data show the trump administration has cut the number of refugees allowed into the united states to a near-trickle, with an estimated 20,000 set to enter the u.s. by year's end at the current pace. the number would be the lowest since the federal refugee resettlement program was created in 1980. the news came as president donald trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants wednesday, telling reporters -- "these aren't people. these are animals." pres. trump: we have people coming into the country or tried to come -- we are stopping a lot of them. that we are taking people out of the country. you would not believe how bad these people are. these aren't people. these are animals. and we are taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that is never happened before. amy: trump's comment came as newly revealed documents showed his administration sought negative information about
haitian immigrants ahead of its decision to end temporary protected status for nearly 60,000 haitians, including many who came to the united states after the devastating 2010 earthquake. in one email obtained by the national lawyers guild and the nyu immigrant rights clinic, senior homeland security official kathy nuebel kovarik asked her staff for data on the number of haitian tps holders who were on public assistance, how many have been convicted of crimes, their travel habits, and how much money they had remitted to haiti. the revelation follows a "washington post" report that several senior officials at the departments of state and homeland security resigned after the trump administration ignored advice from its own diplomatic experts and canceled tps for tens of thousands of honduran immigrants. the senate voted narrowly wednesday to reverse the fcc's repeal of net neutrality rules, in a victory for advocates of the open internet. the senate bill would reimpose rules barring internet service
providers from stopping or slowing down the delivery of websites and would bar companies from charging extra fees for high-quality streaming video. wednesday's 52-47 vote, mostly along party lines, sets up a battle in the republican-controlled house. this is california democratic congressmember anna eshoo, whose district includes much of silicon valley. >> fundamentally, this is about ensuring that you commit myself, all of us -- we are the ones, we are the individuals that decide what we want to hear, what we want to watch, what we want to play, what we want to read. financial disclosure report revealed wednesday, president trump acknowledged he made a six-figure payment to his attorney michael: as a reimbursement for a hush-money payment cohen made to adult film star stephanie clifford, also known as stormy daniels. the disclosure came as part of a complainant instant trump.
the disclosure contradicts a sworn statement trump filed a year ago. many legal observers say it appears trump violated federal election law by failing to disclose a loan to his campaign. in the democratic republic of congo, the world health -- organization has distributed 4000 doses of an experimental vaccine against ebola, after a fresh outbreak of the deadly virus has killed at least 23 people. an ebola outbreak in west africa in 2014 claimed more than 11,000 lives. critics say those lives could have been spared if researchers had poured more resources into finding a vaccine years ago. in chile, thousands of students marched through the capital santiago wednesday, protesting against widespread sexual harassment and assault at schools and universities, and over the failure of school administrators to respond to complaints by female students. this is paz cajardo, spokesperson for the confederation of chilean students. >> this movement is his stork.
this marked said they proceed in. it is a kickstart that we have initiated in response to the sexual allegation claims established across to for universities throughout chile. there are at least 20 to 25 universities over going stoppages and takeovers in response to sexual abuse or rape spike teachers and fellow students. amy: police later used tear gas and water cannons to disperse marchers. the protest was part of a wider student movement calling for free, quality public higher education in chile. back in the united states, michigan state university has reached a half-billion dollar deal to settle a case brought by 332 women who were sexually assaulted by former physician larry nassar, many of them as children. it's believed to be the largest-ever settlement of its kind. earlier this year, nassar was sentenced to multiple prison terms of up to 175 years for sexually abusing athletes over decades.
in january, espn reported that michigan state administrators failed to turn over documents to federal title ix investigators that outlined sexual assault charges by larry nassar. political report scott pruit and fire metal protection agency and the white house try to block publication of a federal health study on the national water after oneion crisis trump administration aide said it would cause a public relations nightmare. the u.s. department of health and human services study, which show the chemicals pfoa and pfo s, used in caps on and firefighting foam, in danger human health at a far higher level than epa has previously called say. the study remains of published. we will have more on that story tomorrow here at the university of california santa cruz. on capitol hill, cambridge analytica whistleblower chris wiley told the senate judiciary committee wednesday the voter profiling company sought to suppress turnout among
african-american voters and prayed on racial biases. while he testified came rich analytica harvested the data of up to 87 million facebook users without theirt a culture war. cambridge analytica which began thereitbart news was one of copies key strategist. while he said he left the company. tocame rich analytica sought identify mental vulnerabilities and exploits them are targeting information designed to activate some of the worst characteristics in people such andeuroticism, paranoia, racial biases. to be clear, the work of cambridge analytica is not traditionalo marketing. came rich analytica specialized in disinformation, spreading rumors, and propaganda. amy: u.s. officials have engineerd a former ca
as the primary suspect in a massive leak of the spy agencies documents last year. joshua adam sheltie, who designed computer code to spy on adversaries for the cia, is believed to have leaked thousands of documents last year revealing cia programs and tools that are capable of hacking into both apple and android cellphones. wikileaks published the documents last march under the name vault 7, calling it the largest leak of secret cia documents in history. prosecutors have not brought charges against schulte for the leak despite months of investigation. however, in august prosecutors indicted schulte on child pornography charges that are unrelated to the leaks. he denies the charges. in north carolina, thousands of teachers dressed in red flooded the streets of raleigh around the state capitol wednesday calling for more funding for public education and a statewide plan to reduce large class sizes. the protest follows similar actions by teachers in west virginia, oklahoma, kentucky, arizona, and colorado.
and in new york city brooklyn , a man who spent 17 years behind bars for a murder he did not commit burst into tears on wednesday as a judge vacated his conviction on murder charges. john bunn, who's now 41 years old, was just 14 when he was arrested and charged with killing an off-duty prison guard. john bunn addressed the court after his exoneration wednesday. convicted and had a wrong man in prison and y'a still have some but it on the loosell that killed someone, now they're running free. i did not deserve any of that stuff you did to me. man, yournocent honor. and i have always been an innocent man. amy: john bunn is one of more than a dozen people, most of them black men, who've been
exonerated based on false-identification evidence brought by disgraced former nypd detective louis scarcella. dozens more convictions based on scarcella's evidence are under review. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the united nations human rights council has announced that it will hold a special session friday to discuss escalating violence in gaza after israeli forces shot dead at least 61 unarmed palestinian protesters taking part in the great march of return on monday. more than 2700 palestinians were injured. this comes just one day after the u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley blocked a call for an international investigation into israel's actions. on tuesday, haley repeatedly blamed the violence on hamas, while praising israel for showing restraint.
but a senior israeli army spokesperson admitted tuesday that israel had failed to minimize palestinian casualties during the protests. this lt. col. jonathan conricus, the international spokesman and head of social media for the idf, the israel defense forces, speaking at a briefing organized by the jewish federations of north america. >> have there been mistakes? have there been bullets that missed their targets and hit people that weren't the target's? of course they have. but i can to you -- said hamas "wanted the casualties" and called the photos of the thousands wounded in gaza a "knockout" publicity win for hamas. israeli defense minister avigdor lieberman also blamed hamas at the gaza border wednesday.
>> i want to emphasize the leadership of hamas to their own children as ammunition. there is personal ammunition and a different kind of ammunition, children or women. amy: for more, we go to gaza, where we're joined by dr. tarek loubani. on monday, israeli forces shot him in his left leg and right knee while he was treating gunshot wound patients in gaza. he was one of 19 medical personnel shot in gaza monday. dr. loubani is an emergency room medical dr. and associate professor at western university in london ontario, palestinian refugee a member of the glia project creating open-source medical devices for low-resource settings. the canadian prime ministers at "we're appalled that dr. tarek loubani, a canadian citizen, is among the wounded along with so many unarmed people, including civilians, members of the media, first responders, and children."
prime minister trudeau called for the immediate independent investigation into the killings in gaza. dr. tarek loubani is still in gaza, both legs shot. welcome to democracy now! thank you for being with us. can you describe what happened to you on monday? >> thank you for having me, amy. basically on monday, i was doing what i have been trained to do for years. i have been a field medic for quite a while. i am an emergency physician with specialization in trauma. i do, work in london, ontario, in canada, where i spend most of the year. i also do lots of trauma work here. i know where to be. i have been around gunfire an awful lot. i have been at massacres as well, such as in egypt previously, and a few other places. fact, the i was, in least experienced person on the team when it came to gunshots
post of the paramedics were even more experienced than i was, unfortunately. we were away from the protest area, about 25 meters out west, 25 meters south of the protesters. it was calm. there were no tires on fire. there was no chaos. it was a very controlled scene. we could see the sniper post. for sure, they could see us. i was just sort of talking to the medical team. you were testing out some medical devices that we have been trying to make in gaza because of the shortage. we ranresupplied because out. it was early in the day yet we have run out of our entire supply. that is when, unfortunately, i heard a loud bang, found myself on the ground and realized i had been shot. amy: and so what happened next? the first rescuer who came to
me was a man from a paramedic who is excellent. i have trained with and helped train as well. he sort of came over and was like, look, doctor, what of you done to your self year? i looked at my leg, cut mike pence, and started work. he looked at it. it was bleeding. he said, what do you think, should we put at tourniquet on? it was a good question because the fact had i been anywhere else in the world, i would've had a tourniquet put on but we had such a shortage. there been so many injuries to the arms and legs among protesters that we have a tremendous shortage of tourniquet, which is a belt you use. i'll show you one after, to basically stop bleeding of people who have been shot. so when he asked me this i looked in 90 that i needed one, but i thought, we only have eight. one of them is in my back
pocket. i took it out and threw to him and said, no, look for somebody else. i knew there were many more gunshots to come. they put a pressure bandage. i bled through it, of course. in the next one, of course. but still i ended up being ok. i got sent to another hospital and treated there. had i been in canada, i have asked my trauma colleagues -- like i said, i work a lot of trauma in canada. i asked my canadian colleagues and they said, yes, you needed surgery. you in the hospital for a while. in that moment in gaza, there were so many casualties. i mean, i was brought to the hospital in a vehicle that held six patients. there were so many casualties. i was literally the least wounded one. i was discharged because everyone knew that the problems to come for me were going to be later. i will deal with it at home.
amy: dr. loubani, what happened at the paramedics who treated you, the one who asked if you wanted a tourniquet put on your legs? moussa was a great guy. i'm talking about him in the past tense because about an hour after he rescued me, he ended up going back to the field on a call and, unfortunately, he was shot in the chest. there was so much fire around him and so it live ammunition that his colleagues could not get to him and could not treat him. when they finally did get to him, it was about 20 minutes later. the problem he had, it is called a pneumothorax will step basically, air where it should not be in the chest. it should not have killed him. i knew how to fix it if i were there. i could have fixed it with literally a bic pen. but importantly, he could not receive the treatment he needed and he died.
amy: he could not receive the treatment he wanted because there was so much fire by the israeli military forces in this area where the paramedics were that he could not be attended to by anyone else? they could not get around him? they could not get to him, no. there was so much fire there. anyone who peeked out was shot. isn though the rule for us we just don't put ourselves in a situation where we get shot, we are incredibly careful. we are incredibly careful. he was wearing high visibility orange jackets emitted by the international unity of the red cross to the israeli army as a paramedic service. i was wearing green, hospital green. we were all marked in high visibility. and yet, and fourthly, he was shot and his colleagues who were all highly marked were being targeted anytime the show
themselves, so everybody was to the ground until things calm down, which took about half an hour. amy: dr. loubani, do you think -- do you think the other paramedics -- how many altogether, 19 killed or wounded just on monday alone, do you think you were targeted by the israeli military? i don't know the answer to that. i don't know what orders they received or what was in their heads, so i can tell you if we were delivering the targeted. i can take the things i do know. in the six weeks of the march, there were no permit a casualties. in one day, 19 paramedics, 18 wounded plus one killed, and myself, were all injured. were all shot with live ammunition.
moussa was in a rescue at the time, but everyone else was like me. we were away during a lull without any chaos at all and we were targeted -- rather, hit by live ammunition. most of us in the lower limbs. so it is very, very hard to islieve the israelis israel who shot my other colleagues, just from our medical group, four of us were shot, including the man who passed away. it is hard to believe they did not know who we were. they did not know what we were doing, and that they were aiming at anything else. i want to askni, you about a photo that you posted on twitter. it shows you and three other men from last friday. you wrote -- "a haunting photo, friday, may 11. left: mohammed migdad, shot in the right ankle. hassan abusaada. tarek loubani, shot in left leg
and right knee. moumin silmi. youssef almamlouk. musa abuhassanin, shot in the thorax and killed. volunteer unknown. photographer: shot and wounded." amy: talk about this. a group so that was photo on friday after the protest had died down. we were there. we had tended to probably a minimum of 100 people, just our medical group. there are other medical crews there, too. afterwards, one of the guys, the photographer ended up getting shot. he is also a paramedic with an interest in photography. he said, let's take a group shot. when we took it, i thought we were taking a photo that would be lost in my photo album. i did not think i would be taking a photo that predicted the shootings of four of us in
the killing of one of us. that is why for me it was a haunting photo and that is why for me it is such a terrible scene. i am devastated that all of us ended up being wounded. i am devastated that i can't be back on the field. but the reality is, i'm the luckiest one of all of us because if i want, i can leave and get treatment in canada if i want. and realistically, i just got so lucky with my gunshot that i am probably going to have the least disability of everybody else in that photo who to get shot. amy: canadian prime minister, your prime minister justin trudeau, said "we are appalled at dr. tarek loubani, canadian citizen, is among the wounded, along with so many unarmed people, including civilians, members of the media, first responders, and children." the prime minister called for an immediate independent investigation into the killings in gaza.
dr. loubani, can you talk about what your prime minister justin trudeau has called for, canada, belgium, france, britain, and other countries, and what the u.s. did at the united nations ans week, stopping investigation from taking place? >> i congratulate prime minister theeau for representing canadian people. it has been a wild now the canadian people have felt there is a problem in the gaza strip and in the west bank, that there is a problem with the way civilians in gaza are treated, both as a result of the plot cade and other -- blockade and the result of shootings that appeared to target civilians. i congratulate the governments of canada for taking that very courageous step. i'm sure they're going to pay a political price for doing it.
is this what investigation going to reveal? what is it going to tell us? will it change the lives of people in gaza? ultimately, the people in gaza did not go out to their protest because they wanted in investigation. they went out because they wanted to change the conditions. i have called on the canadian government, and when i have prime to the minister minister freeland, i asked her for an infrastructure project, anything that will result -- not resolve, but rather relieve a little bit of the situation here. for example, to deal with the electricity situation, we can put solar power on hospitals, which is a project i have been involved in in a small scale. we can do that in a big scale. we can do sewage treatment. we can try to relieve the blockade, build a port, create a way for palestinians to enter and exit. these are things that will improve palestinian lives, not investigations.
we don't lack investigations. frankly, while i think it will be academically interesting to add to the record, i don't think it will change palestinian lives. amy: a hospital -- hospitals and gaza are continuing to struggle with the thousands of patients who are window by the israeli military just this week alone. again, in the six weeks of these nonviolent protests in gaza, over 100 palestinians have been killed, over 12,000 wounded. this is the director of the emergency room at shifa hospital. the emergency department at shifa medical center received the biggest number of these injuries can almost 500 while the capacity of the emergency department's 20 beds or 20 injuries. we're talking about 25 times above the capacity of the
emergency department with all of the shortage and medicine, in the medical supplies that reach critical lows. you talk, dr. tarek loubani, about the state of the medical system in gaza and the impact of the israeli blockade? described just what that is. were you taken to shifa yourself? >> i was not taken to shifa. considered the premier hospital in gaza. however, by the time i was shot, shifa was thoroughly overloaded. there's a kind of ron rober -- round-robin disaster system. even though i might have received better care at shifa, there was no way i deserved to go there. so i was sent to a different hospital, which provided me great care and did everything that was needed. but it was completely overwhelmed as well. every hospital here is overwhelmed. i work at shifa.
i work in that emergency room with the one you showed. really, the situation is very dire in normal times. in normal times, i don't have to freeze people when i sew them. in normal times i can't give them pain medication like morphine. in normal times it is hard to find gloves or gauze. so the situation is terrible in normal times. now that there is this disaster that is happening, this disaster unfolding all over gaza, it has been even worse. it has got to the point where in fact, i have to very carefully pick who it was that i use gloves on in the field because we have a shortage of gloves. i would use bandage on because we have a shortage of bandage. these things are not supposed to be caught by the blockade, but they are. the hospitals are in a complete disaster scene. thatt say it makes it so
my complaints about lack of supplies and services when i am in canada, a makes those completes really come into perspective when i'm here just trying for the absolute basics. i was not in shifa that day. i've not been able to go since because i can barely walk. today is my first outing. however, having said that, i have heard from my colleagues at shifa. there are devastated. they're traumatized. they don't know what to do. they were piling bodies in corners. it is terrible. they are very good at what they do, but everybody has limits and every hospital has limits. if this were downtown new york or toronto or downtown any other metropolis, they would not be up to deal with the devastation that was faced. al jazeera is reporting that medics on the ground are saying israeli forces are shooting a demonstrators with a new type of round not seen
before known as the butterfly bullet, which explodes upon impact, pulverizing tissue, arteries, and bone, causing severe internal injuries. can you talk about this? did you see this yourself, dr. loubani, before you were shot -- and after? yes. i did not see much after i was shot. but before i was shot, yes. i have seen a lot of this type of bullet. you can even hear the difference because they sound different. so my heart always drops when i would hear one of these bullets come out and hit a patient. i always knew when we would go to those patients, firstly, it would certainly need extensive amount of work both on the field and then in the hospital. and secondly, their lives would be devastated forever. doctors without borders has released a report on this very unusual injury pattern.
on the day that i was wounded, i found a photo of a child who was wounded with one of these shots, which devastated his leg. i was very lucky i was wounded with a regular bullet. that is why i did not have my leg amputated. that is why i am lucky. however, so many people have had this particular kind of bullet used on them. i don't know why that happened. i don't know what particular advantage this bullet has. however, functionally on the field, what it means is sheer devastation, pulverization of bone, near a butane to -- near amputation. we're usually during the parts simply because it is so devastating. and go dr. tarek loubani, final words in the last 30 seconds we have with you. as you speak to us from gaza, both of your legs shot. your thoughts coming from this
region where the palestinians say they will continue to non-rally protest? >> i came here because i really believe in the idea that every ofgle person, regardless their race, nationality, creed, even political beliefs, deserves the best medical care. i was not able to deliver that on monday, and neither were my colleagues, for the first time in a list six weeks we saw patients die preventable deaths field combination not happen. i want to see a gaza in which two things happen. one, the medical person ever feels in danger of being targeted, and two, the root causes of the protest, the devastation and desperation, are addressed in a direct way by the international community. of course, by israel who is ultimately responsible for gaza.
amy: dr. tarek loubani, i want to thank you for being with us, emergency room medical doctor and associate professor at western university in london, ontario. he is a palestinian refugee and a member of the glia project creating open-source medical devices for low-resource settings. he was treating gunshot wound patients in gaza when he was shot by the israeli military on monday. this is democracy now! i am amy goodman. we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break]
amy: "llama" by the brooklyn band maku soundsystem. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. 50 years ago today on may 17, 1968, in the baltimore suburb of catonsville, maryland, a group of catholic priests and laypeople stood around a small fire, praying and singing. they had gone into the local draft board office and taken 378 draft records for the young men in the 1-a category who were most likely to get drafted to go to war in vietnam. they set fire to the draft
records using homemade napalm, made from gasoline and laundry soap, to symbolize the u.s. military's use of napalm on vietnamese civilians. they became known as the catonsville nine. video of the act of civil disobedience was seen around the world. i want to turn to the 2012 documentary, "hit and stay," which chronicles the stories of the activists, including father phil and daniel berrigan. we make our prayer in the name of peace and decency and unity and love. we're all part of this. people are suffering from napalm in vietnam. >> napalm, which was made from a formula in the united states special forces handbook
published by the school of special warfare of the united states. we all had a hand in making the name palm. -- napalm. napalm is an old weapon. but it really came to public attention during the war in vietnam. pictures of napalm people. that was the quintessential, the burning babies in vietnam. that is what we wanted to come up with something symbolic and also something that would really destroy. >> our church has felt to act officially and we feel as individuals, we're going to have this week out in the name of catholicism and christianity. we hope our action inspires other people who have christian principles were a fate so much of christianity will act accordingly to stop the terrible distraction america is wreaking on the whole world. -- s i think all of us
-- e hope we do not injure thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. we have chosen to be branded as peace criminals by were criminals. amy: the catonsville nine were prosecuted and in 1970, given prison sentences of up to three years behind bars. earlier this month, a ceremony was held in catonsville to mark the unveiling of a new historical marker to commemorate the action. i spoke to margarita melville, one of the last surviving members of the catonsville nine. tell us where we are right now. what is this building? >> the ninth of gone this rented out the second floor to a selective service registration
office. amy: this is where the draft board was? this the second floor of building. amy: what did you come here may 17? >> summit had case it out for us. tom and i had just gone by to this country from guatemala and mexico. summit had cased it out and we thought -- they look for a place that we could get out quickly and then we had a place to bring them that was nearby. so we ran -- i can't remember exactly. i remember rushing down the stairway. we stood here. it was not paved. it was just dirt. it was easy to put out the fire afterwards, once everything was burnt. amy: what your burning was? >> this is before computers. so the resulting one copy of each file. amy: and these were the draft files? >> the a-1.
the others were not affected. i just met two men who were deferred because they were in school. they said, why didn't you burn hours? one of them had to go serve two years after he got out of school. we got as many as we could. we put them in baskets. mary and i kept -- the two women clerks from stopping us. amy: you are standing -- >> there were two. i stewed in front of one and mary in front of the other one. we were going to get finished before the police got here. amy: you brought these files sounds, the catonsville nine. did you take any personally? >> no. i personally put a match on them. we made sure each one of us participated in the actual burning. amy: you brought them out here and put them in a trash can? >> no, no, no, in the middle of the parking area. we circled it. we burned the files.
thatsband was very sure every last file was out of the basket, that none were left tech in there. kicked you are basket around. we were able to bring them all right there. amy: as you did this with father dan berrigan and father phil berrigan, and your own husband -- >> and john and tom and mary. amy: and you had come from guatemala? >> tom and john and i had been missionaries in guatemala where we had seen green berets beginning to work with the guatemalan army and teaching them how to use napalm. later on they taught them how to they have the- pattern down. amy: you burn these files with -- >> napalm. the recipe was in the special forces handbook.
suds, like ivory soapsuds, and gasoline. amy: why the suds? >> so he would stick to your body and burn and burn and burn and you can't wash it off well fast. amy: that is the power of napalm? >> and soon thereafter, my brother-in-law art melville and a group went up to the dow chemical offices and went into the file and got all of the recipes for napalm and threw them out the window. amy: because dow -- >> dr. michael was manufacturing the -- dow chemical was manufacturing the napalm. we did the special forces handbook recipe, which is very simple. amy: how is napalm used in vietnam? >> remember father dancing is is better to burn paper than children? two member the picture of that little girl running down the road with no clothes on because they have been burned off of her
with the horrible look on her face? that was part of our inspiration. we did not want that to continue. amy: were you afraid having burn the files? >> know, i know what was coming. amy: were you planning on running away? was civils disobedience. we stayed put. amy: what happened? >> we stayed put. we held hands and set "our father." when police came, we got into the paddy wagon in which the local jail. amy: how do you feel standing here on nights of columbus property when the monument, the plaque for what you did, is a ways away? >> it is symbolic. it just shows the fact we are not in this together as a society. amy: explain what happened. why is the market on the road? of god ise theknights -- there's a selective service office anymore.
they were not happy with that type of marker on their property. amy: that is margarita melville speaking earlier this month in catonsville, maryland, where a marker was dedicated to the catonsville nine 50 years ago today. the late father dan berrigan once wrote about this action -- this is what he had to say about the tinsel action when i interviewed him. he said -- "our apologies, good friends, for the fracture of good order, the burning of paper instead of children." i interviewed him in 2006 and asked him how he came to be involved in the catonsville action and why he went underground after his trial. up. he wasame awaiting sentencing for prior action in baltimore where they
poured blood on draft files in the city. he came up to cornell and announced to me very coolly that he and others were going to do it again. away by the courage of my brother in not just submitting to prior conviction, but saying, we have got to underscore the first action with another one. he says, you are invited. so i said, give me a few days because i want to think about the pros and cons of doing this. so when i started meditating and putting down reasons to do it and reasons not to do it, it became quite clear that the option and the invitation more outweighing everything else and i had to go ahead with him.
so i notified him that i was in and we did it. amy: this was after you have been to north vietnam. >> right. this was may of 1968 and i had been in hanoi in late january, early february of that year. amy: with the string howard zinn? freeing prisoners of war? >> yes, we brought home three flyers who had been captured and imprisoned. it was a kind of gesture of tete during the so-called holiday, which was traditionally a time of reunion of families. so they wanted these flyers to be reunited with their families. and catonsville, was this the first time you were breaking the laws of the united states? >> know, i have been at the
pentagon in 1967 and i think it was in october. a great number of us were arrested after a warning from mcnamara to disperse. we spent a couple of weeks in jail. it was rather rough. and we were in a d.c. jail, which is a very mixed lot. so i had had a little bit of a taste during the prior year. amy: you and your brother phil berrigan had an unusual relationship with secretary defense mcnamara. you actually talked to him, wrote to him, met him? >> yes, i met him at a social evening with the kennedys in about 1965. after this very posh dinner, which was welcoming me home from latin america, one of the entities announced they would love -- kennedys announced they would love to have a discussion between the secretary of war and
myself, in front of everybody, which we did start. they asked me to initiate the thing. i said to the secretary was something about, since you did not stop the war this morning, i wonder if you would do it this evening? so he looked kind of past my left ear and said, well, i will just say this to father berrigan and everybody, vietnam is like mississippi. if they won't over the law, you send the troops in. and he stopped. in the next morning when i returned to new york city, i said to a secretary at a magazine we were publishing, said, would you please take this down in shorthand because in two weeks, i won't believe that i heard what i heard. the secretary said in response to my request to stop the war, " vietnam is like mississippi. if they won't obey the law, you send the troops."
in an this was supposed to be the brightest of the bright, one of the whiz kids, respected by all in the cabinet, etc., etc., etc.. and he talks like a sure out of so much, alabama. who's locked in a won't obey whose law? level oft was the which the war was being fought. amy: so after the trial, you went underground. why did you decide to do that? worsened in war had the spring of 1970. the campuses were aflame. nixon had invaded laos. there were secret bombing going on. the war had widened. it was a bad time to turn oneself in. we were comparing that order to military induction. it was like saying, well, i'm going off to war.
i'm going to take the penalty for what we did to make the war evidently unwinnable and unwageable. go, andof us said, no went underground. amy: what does that mean when you go underground? >> it meant the fbi was on more detail and that hoover was outraged and very angry and kept marking up sheets that we got out of freedom of information later saying "get him. get him" and's scrolling all of these orders around. amy: but you are showing up in the strangest places. >> all sorts of places, including preaching in church and getting on national television and so on and so forth. it really increased the edginess of the whole thing. amy: that his father dan berrigan speaking and the 2006. catonsville action inspired
hundreds of other actions at draft boards across the country. it also led to a global protest effort to end the threat of nuclear war, the plowshares movement. in dan berrigan, again with his 1980, brother phil and others, broke into a general electric nuclear missile plant in king of prussia, pennsylvania. the most recent plowshares action took place on april 4, when seven catholic plowshares activists entered the kings bay naval base, the largest nuclear submarine base in the world. they were armed with just hammers, crime tape, and baby bottles containing their own blood. the seven had been locked up since they were arrested. one of the seven was elizabeth mcalister, the widow of philip berrigan, a priest at the time he led the tinsel action 50 years ago today. this is democracy now! back in a minute. ♪ [music break]
security advisor john bolton said the u.s. should use the libyan model for denuclearization. negotiatedbya sanctions relief from the united states in exchange for announcing its and welcoming international inspectors to inspect the dismantlement. a years later, nations attacked libya, topping omar qaddafi. we're joined now by christine hong, an associate professor here at the university of california santa cruz and an executive board member of the korea policy institute. she has spent time in north korea, including a visit to the country as part of a north american peace delegation. welcome to democracy now! talk about what you think is happening with the summit and what exactly trump's national security advisor has said, many said threatened. >> what north korea right now is stating is that it objects to the fact that the united states and south korea are engaged in
massive were exercises. and this is on the eve of historically unprecedented summit between the united states and north korea. -- maxe were exercises thunder, basically, they operationalize 100 warplanes. this includes f-22 nuclear capable aircraft, as well as potentially b-52 bombers. as many people probably now know, these types of were exercises have simulated historically and the past the dropping of nuclear missions on the korean peninsula in a simulated but preemptive strike against north korea. so recently, the leaders of north and south korea met. they hammered out a historic declaration for the peace prosperity and rina vocation of the korean peninsula. what they called upon -- they called for the union
conversation of the entire korean peninsula. knownhould not be similarly as chris response ability. commensurate obligation on the part of the united states. the united states puts into play on the eve of the summit nuclear simulatesrcraft that a strike against north korea. north korea rightly sees this as a provocative action that is meant dishman to sabotage any sort of peace negotiations. as for the libya model that you minister ofhe vice foreign affairs in north korea just came out with a statement recently and stated that north korea is under no illusions about the nature of john bolton's politics and that they find him "repugnant."
amy: john bolton under george w. bush, again coming was not approved by the senate as u.s. investor to the u.n. at the time because bush knew he could not be so he made a recess appointment of him. he was instrumental in making sure the u.s. did not participate and basically, vetoing a nuclear deal with north korea. >> as recently as february, john bolton wrote for "the wall street journal" stating the united states should engage in a preemptive nuclear strike against north korea will step so this is the person right now who is basically fanning the war flames. north korea is often referenced libya and right as models of regime change. when john bolton is eking about the libya model as denuclearization, north korea understands precisely what that means. that means dismantle your nuclear program. of course, north korea is far
more advanced than libya. they are de facto date. so give up her nuclear program and make yourself completely defenseless and prepare for war intervention on the part of the united states that will yourmentally destabilize society. amy: do you think this will have? to you think the summit will take place? >> i hope it will. amy: we believe it there but do part two and post it online at web exclusives at democracynow.org. from associate professor here at university of california santa cruz, executive board member of the korea policy institute. that does it for our show. i am speaking your tonight along with daniel's progress the university of california santa cruz at the college's nine and 10 multipurpose room at seven: 30. the event will be live streamed. you can go to democracynow.org for more information. everyone is welcome. that does it for our show. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to firstname.lastname@example.org or mail them to democracy now!
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