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you're offering more government programs -- >> well, but that's -- >> more entitlements are mo more taxes -- >> no. >> -- more tax penaltyings and credits. >> let's unpack that. what i'm offer is the biggest job creation program since world war ii. >> but it's infrastructure. that's what obama did. >> but he didn't get to do enough. >> the problem with the weakest recoveries since 1949 is that obama didn't get to do enough? and brinls and schools the way we should have. >> we had a trillion dollar stimulus plan. >> only a small portion went to infrastructure, to investments -- what seeing say -- my dad was in construction, one of the hardest-hit industries in the 2008 recession. if you put construction to work, for somebody has to go to lunch.
>> we had 900 billion, we blew that chance and now trust secretary clinton -- >> that many jobs isn't blowing it. >> a lot aren't very good. >> only in the world of grinch and republicans would creating 15 million jobs after george bush left us with an economy hemorrhagic. >> you campaign on things are good enough. we'll campaign on things can get better. we'll see who wins the general election. we have a bit of time left, and i want to get to isis, t external threat. here's what clinton and trump are saying about each other. >> it was hillary clinton that she should get an award from them as the founder of isis. >> there is no doubt in myomind that donald trump is unqualified to be president and unfit to be commander in chief. >> congressman becerra, briefly, what is clinton's plans? i don't understand either plan,
destroy isis and why is it better than donald trump's? >> just as she was there to green light -- >> she didn't green light it, president obama did. >> but she was there to give advice. she was the one that assembled a coalition that helped stop the nuclear buildup in iran. >> what's her plan to stop isis? >> she's made it very clear. you get tough on them at the source, we protect the homeland. >> what you don't do is you don't call for torture to be used by the newest you don't cozy up to people like piatten and it saddam hussein. you don't use nuclear weapons. you create the partnerships that you need. you don't go out there and show that you're unfit to be president the way donald trump has. >> so 15 years after 9/11, we're not winning. we're not winning in afghanistan. we're not winning in iraq, we're not winning in syria, we're not
winning in lebanon. >> that's a knock on our troops. >> no. our troops will tell you we're not winning. >> even -- >> wait a second. >> he attacked a gold star family. what's winning about that. >> he defenses a number of gold star families. >> he went after the mother. >> and mr. khan attacked him pretty tough, too. politics is a tough business. but -- but. >> get out take the heath. >> for both of them. hillary's got a run on the grounds that disrupting libya, disrupting syria, failing in russia, failing in iraq, failing in afghanistan -- and she'll do more of the same failure including paying $400 billion in cash, which the president assures us was not in fact -- >> $400 million. we'll be talking about that. that's a good way to get you two off the set.
unacceptable, why are you still endorsing him? >> people ask me, what do you think about trump? honestly i don't care for him much, and i certainly don't trust hillary. president obama calling out republicans for supporting trump and gop congressman mike kauffman of colorado coming out against trump in a commercial as part of his campaign for reelection. and george will. gerald seib, lisa lerer, and lisa boothe. jerry, how damaging was it for donald trump? and was it irreparable? >> very damaging, but not irreparable, i don't think. i think the numbers that scared republicans moth wasn't the that could fa hillary clinton was up by eight, nine, ten points, but
congress, one controlled by republicans president now democrats are up by four points. i think what changed is republicans looked at the trump campaign and said it's in trouble, but it's the kind of trouble that can drag us down and now we're seeing a separation of the party, a presidential campaign going one way and congressional campaigns going that way. we saw t route that he went to finally endorse paul ryan, john mccain and kelly ayotte. we saw that ad beginning it by saying he doesn't like donald trump. how much trump is trouble in with his own party? >> it presents challenges. it's not good when your own party is coming out with ads distancing themselves from you, but i think some of the
the best thing that could have happened to him. sometimes candidates need to get their teeth knocked in to force directional changes that are needed for the campaign that are bivl. what we saw is donald trump sourcing paul ryan, senator mccain and ayotte as well, which is a recognition hi needs the republican party, the republican base. he's hired cambridge analytics despite in may say his does not need analytics, the firm behind brexit wh voters and got them out to vote. that's a positive step. we also saw he out-raised hillary clinton in direct donations, a 69% increase in small-dollar donations, which is a positive step for his campaign. also after getting hid with $234 million in radio and tv buys by clinton and her allies there's report that his campaign is
maybe it was a bad couple weeks, but perhaps this is the sort of forced change that his campaign needs. >> then we have hillary clinton who by all accounts had a very strong week until as we saw on friday she once again kicked up the controversy over her private e-mails and what fbi director comey said about them, and last night donald trump had some fun with how she explained it. here trump is. >> unstable hillary clinton, i think that the people of this country don't want somebody that's going to short-circuit up here. >> george, how do you explain hillary clinton and her continuing troubles with the e-mails? >> well, there's no good explanation, which is why they throw a lot of dust in the air. the old saying, if you have the
law. if you have the facts on your side, argument the facts. if neither are on your side, pound the table. she's pounding the table at the moment. people have made many their mind for or against her, and i have a doubt as to whether this resonates when people go into the voting booth in november. >> why? >> because it's already baked in the numbers in your poll, which is they said not honest and trust worthy that's largely, not exclusively, but largely relat their minds. >> so, in other words, if you're against her, you already -- whatever your feelings are, you have already baked the private e-mails into it. >> it's unclear how many undecided voters are in the country, but surely those who were undecided are not undecided about this. people have probably said weerp for her in spite of that. if we're opposed to her, it's because of that, but they have
clinton headquarters in brooklyn the fact that she just -- even though politically or rather legally she's in the clear, the fbi director comey and attorney general lynch say they're not going to prosecute her, accomplicically she can't seem to get arrive of it. and surprising twist, that campaign folks at clinton campaign great with george, that this is a rorschach test. if you see this her, you like her less, but if if you like her, you see this and think there's a conspiracy theory against her. a campaign is not a court case, public opinion is not a jury. she's unable to provide anything but these very legalistic answers and continues to be a drag on her campaign. look, none of that may matter. donald trump is having problems that may surpass voters' views, but it is something that could
should she win. it's hard to get thing done when voters don't trust you, and this speaks to that weakness of hers. >> let's look at swing state polls that came out this week. they were pri alarming. trump is now done 15 points in new hampshire, down 11 points in pennsylvania, down nine points in michigan, and down six points in florida. jerry, there's even a poll that shows trump is down four points in this is trouble. >> and utah, it's drifting the other way. the number that ought to bother the trump campaign is florida. for me it's hard to put together the electoral college map that wins for trump without florida. the fact he's down there is a bad sign. if he doesn't win florida, it doesn't matter if he wins pennsylvania. if he doesn't win florida, he's not going to win pennsylvania.
indicators. when you step back from the numbers, one of the things you see is in the last week hillary clinton and the democrats consolidated their base in the wake of their convention. the republicans went in the opposite direction. donald trump is bleeding right now among some of his core supporters, white males, noncollege educated voters. these are people who are the trump voters. that's where he's eroded. that may be the place where it's easier for him to recover. >> i want to ask you, lisa, about that surprised me the most between gingrich and becerra, that becerra representing clinton went after donald trump's wife and her immigration status. were you surprised by that? >> no, i think this is something that the clinton campaign is starretting in attack. we've seen articles questioning her immigration status, and if their line of attack proves to be true that is a very damaging line of attack against
george, final thoughts on melania's status? >> they also may be trying to provoke him. he is provokable. when he is provoked, he goes on twitter and says interesting things that take up another two or three days. we're less than 90 days away from the election. we're not talking about 1.2% of economic growth. we're not talking about things that might embarrass mrs. clinton, something that might detonate an easily candidate. we have to take a break. we'll see you all a bit later. questions about the it is cash payment to iran. questions about the it is cash payment to iran. we'll ask senator tom cotton, energy is a complex challenge. people want power. questions about the it is cash payment to iran. we'll ask senator tom cotton, and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions. the challenge is to capture the emissions before they're released into the atmosphere.
a look outside the belt way at martha's vineyard where president obama is spending his final summer vacation as commander in now to the $400 million cash payment to iran, which the administration maintains was not ransom, even though the exchange coincided with tehran's release of those four american hostages. let's bring in senator tom cotton a member of the armed services committee and fierce critic of president obama's nuclear deal. senator, we've known since the formal announcement of the iran deal last january and release of
million as settlement of a old arms deal. so why are you upset about this cash payment to iran this week? >> chris, good to be on with you this morning. at the time i had that 1.7 billion was a ransom itself, but the administration has consistently stonewalled congress and the american people. we don't know the cash payments, for instance. we don't know it was paid for laundered and used for terrorism or support of iran's allies, and we didn't know the department of injures opposed it. i think it's shocking to americans that the government was working likal drug cartel, stacking cash on pallets and flying it an airport. and the obama administration continuing to stonecall on this.
people are wondering, you're on the cotton family farm in arkansas. i must say it looks like a very nice place to be on this sunday. president obama didn't keep it a secret. he announced last january we were giving this money to iran. let's look back at what he said. >> iran and united states are now settled a long-standing iranian government claim against the united states government. iran will be returned its own fus, interest, but much less than the amount iran sought. >> now, i understand the point you made in your first answer. we're talking about $400 million in cash, ahn unmarked plane, we're talking about the hostages waiting on the tarmac until the plane landed, but you certainly would agree that the administration did not keep this payment, maybe the nature of it, but they didn't keep the payment secret. >> well, they didn't keep the nature of it.
straight cash in 500 euro notes, a note notoriously used to terrorism around the world so much so that the european union is taking it out of circulation, i think that's an important fact for the american people to know. at the time, i said paying -- not money that they deserved or had the right to on the very weekend that four americans were released ashes and the nuclear deal was implemented, that was a more hostages in iran. >> former bush attorney general michael lieu casey, also a former federal judge, had an article this week in "wall street journal" under the headline -- legal but not right. do you agree that whether you like it or not the payment was legal? and what do you plan to do about it to stop this thing?
stop it in the future. >> lawyers disagree about the legality, but in the end it's not a question whether it was legal, but whether it was mart and the right thing to do to keep americans safe. again, president obama said we don't pay ransom this week. he said this was not a ransom. it doesn't matter what the president said, but is the matters what terrorists around the world think, and they clearly think it was a ransom. if they take a may they too will get a windfall of $400 million. bev to stands up to iran, chris. i've introduced legislation with several calling the counter-iranian threat act, that we need to act immediately after we go back in session -- >> i want to get to the larger question of iran. one of the concern is iran used
but cia director john brennan said that that's not true. let's listen to director brennan. >> the money, the revenue flowing into iran is being used to support its currency, to provide, you know, monies to the department and agencies to build up infrastructure. >> is director brennan misleading the american people, senator? >> well, when you give iran more than $100 billion, there's no doubt some of that money may go in a lot of the support for terrorism groups like hezbollah may not require that much money. even white house officials have said that some of this money likely ended up in the hands of terrorist organizations or revolutionary guard corps, as president obama's director of and commander in the middle east have said, iran's behavior has gotten worse since the nuclear deal, it's not gotten any
deal from the start. at the time it was announced, the general assessment was that iran was weeks at the most, months away from breakout at the time it could is assemble terr yell to create a nuclear bam. the breakout period has been brought back. isn't that a good thing? >> chris, the nuclear deal is still a failure. the fundamental objection was but uphold the terms and they would still be on the path to a nuclear weapon, because we allowed them to keep a vast is nuclear infrastructure. it only took north korea 12 years from the timew signed a deal to detonate a weapon. many have said iran could walk away from the deal, because iran is violating the terms of the deal. germany's intelligence service
clan death inprocurement network to try to -- they continue to test ballistic missiles in violation of associated u.n. security council resolution, so iran is not upholding its end of the deal, but even if they were, the deal would still by fundamentally still flawed, bay it allows them to keep the vast nuclear structure. given the enact that hillary clinton stepped down as secretary of state three y that fair? >> well, hillary clinton was the architect of barack obama's foreign policy in the first term and much of the groundwork for the negotiations that ultimately culminated in this deal did in fact begin unhillary clinton. >> but you have to agree that she had nothing to do with the actual payment. >> the deciding to makes this payment like all decisions in the end rests at the feet of barack obama. he's the president of the united
safe. to pay a ransom i think clearly will not keep americans safe, especially when you see what's happened in iran since we made that payment. you've been quiet about donald trump beyoirnd saying you support him. given his fight with the khan family, given his comments about russia, that he's raised the policy that we wouldn't come to the aid of sure our nato allies, how do you feel about donald trump's readiness to be commander? c >> chris, i've had my disagreements with donald trump, i've stated them clearly in the past and will in the future, he ought not to have said some of what he said, but hillary clinton ought not to have done the things she did. she was bon for the death of four in benghazi. she set up an unclassified server, and then she lied about it for a year. just last week on your show,
all week been telling lie being her lies. donald trump ought not to have said some things, but hillary clinton ought not to have so much so many things. are you confidence that donald trump is ready to be commander in chief? >> i am confident if if the american people elect donald trump as president, that this country will be safer in the world, our streets will be safer, and we will be more prosperous. >> senator cotton, thank you, thanks for joining rest of your family on the family farm in arkansas. >> thanks, chris. up next we'll bring back our sunday panel to get their take on the $400 million payment for iran and how it will play on the campaign trail. plus what would you like to ask the panel about the timing of the payment to iran? coincidental or cash for american capitaling?
we have just learned about the $400 million ransom pate, just a coincident, right? cash, care. >> we didn't pay a random. we didn't here and we won't in the future, precisely because if we did, we would encourage americans to be targeted. president obama and donald trump sharply over the revelation of the cash payment to iran last january. we're back with a panel. george, when is $400 million in cash flown in in an unmarked cargo plane with four american hostages sitting and waiting on the tarmac, when is that ransom? and when is that a koirns dense? >> to use the term du jour, the optics are not good.
$400 million was ransom, so he believes no legal claim is valid, derives from a shah era deal that was never consummated. there was a difference between what looks scandalous than a scandal. >> the cash makes it look terrible. the only reason to make it cash is untraceable. they could have done it without the plane or the pallets -- >> wait a minute. they had to do cash is because we have all these banking restrictions and sanctions. if we had tried to do it through a wire, they couldn't have gotten it. >> it seems they could have digitally bounced it off of somewhere. this is a way of einvestigating the letter of the law and they could have evaded it in some other way, truck she in passing strange is director brennan
infrastructure. money is fungible. you give a nation $400 million. >> they have given them over 100 billion. >> sure. that's money they can use for something else. >> we asked you for questions for the panel, and we got a bunch like this one. don james tweets -- can there be any legal repercussions against potus for ordering what is obviously ransom? jerry, how >> the nub of the matter is, is this iran's money or american money? in the view of the administration and most lawyers, this is iran's money. it goes back to a 1979 deal in which the iranians bought under the shah some fighter jets that were never deliver. the rest is supposed to be interest that's been sitting in
to see the resource. if it is taxpayer money, you have a different situation. i think the issue is not so much the payment, as you noted the president announced, it's the manner and timing of the payment. underneath all of that is a much bigger issue. part of this effort to clear the decks with the iranians, the nuclear deal, the americans held hostage and this money, will that produce some change in iranian behavior? or is this simply a case in which they'll pocket what they have and move on to the next, that's the real question that hangs in the air here. lisa lerer, what makes it harder for the op 'bama administration to argue, one of the pastors who was a hostage said they were sitting on the plane waiting to leave after years of capital activity, for hours while they were told that they were waiting for another plane to arrive. here is the pastor.
leave, and we are wait fog that plane. until that plane comes, we are not let go. >> how worried is the campaign that this washes up on hillary clinton and her stewardship with obama and it becomes a campaign issue. >> frankly it's not something that they talked about in the last week. she dismissed it as old news saying it was publicly announced and she supportive of the nuclear deal the right approach. i think when you talk to clinton advisers privately, they see this underscores how donald trump is really not fit to be commander in chief. they point out several things that happened, which is essentially he made up facts. there was no video, as he later admitted. hillary clinton he sort of blamed her for the whole negotiation, that's not quite true. she was out of the state department for 18 months. at george points out this is a
of course he claims to have seen these payments happening that and he claimed it was secret. it wasn't secret. it was announced on january 17th. >> not the $400 million in the unmarked cargo plane. >> right, but the fact this settlement had been reached. so advisers are really focusing on that, that he made up facts. they had some basis for that. the post did an analysis of hi his description of the video, and he said nine things in 300 words. that's what they're focusing on. the interesting thing about that, lisa is just after trumped seemed for one of the rare times to walk back and say no, i didn't see video of the cash arriving in tehran, i saw the hostages get off a plane when they were freed from iran, there was an iranian documentary which seemed to show cash coming off pallets off a plane, so maybe there was a video, though trump apparently didn't see it.
job explaining that clearly, but look toe senator tom cotton's point he was pointing out it doesn't what the administration is saying or what they believe to be truffle, it's the perception of iranians and other bad actors in the country. that's the problem. you look at their own military saying it was a ransom deal and pointing at the weakness of the obama administration as a result. i think what this does is regardless of what the details ransom deal. thinkty continues to undermine an embarrassing sequence of events since the implementation of this deal. two weeks after the deal iran put ten u.s. sailors on their knees, pointed guns at their head and shot a video and used that as propaganda. in march after the deal, iran shot their third ballistic missiles that flies in the face of international law. in april the u.s. made the
you go to june and may where we had ben rhodes admitted to lying about the deal, deceiving the american public. as in june the obama administration doctoring video trying to give the illulgs that they didn't lie about the deal, and we also have in june the state department once again declared that iran is the world's largest state-sponsored of terrorism. one embarrassment after another which undercuts the deal, undercuts the obama administration on foreign policy as well as hillary clinton. i think you bring up a good point. jerry, forget the deal, we're going to forget about the $400 million over the next couple months, but the whole question of engaging iran and hillary clinton was clearly an architect of that under the order of barack obama, that is a legitimate issue in this campaign. how do you expect that to play? and you know, you have iran continuing to be a bad actor,
the nuclear weapon from the from when the deal started. >> this is the 10,000-foot question, or clearly relations with iran is at an inflection point. the question is, does engagement produce over ten years a different kind of iran or simply produce the same kind of iran, just simply with more money in its pocket. >> hillary clinton is going to argue one and donald trump will argue another. what we're seeing now of in the reaction by the hardliners, and said it's a last gasp of the hardline? or is it a sign that nothing has changed and nothing will ever change? >> who has the better sigh of this argument. it's going to be over the next 30 months, because that's when voters will have to make their judgment. >> the problem is there's overlap with the electoral cycle
it's akin to the policy in the cold war, we're going to hold the line and wait for internal regime change. it did work. the regime disappeared. we're wagering now a very different kind of regime, a theocratic regime can be as pliable and changeable as the soviet union. that's a big wager, and we won't know the answer. >> but in 15 seconds, are voters going to take the of this or the clinton/obama view? >> i don't think it will matter a lot until there's an event. if there's a terrorist event here or abroad, that the change
her scud. she has no thoughts of slowing down. >> is that effort too much? >> no, i've gotten used to it. i think the swimming has helped my schoolwork. schoolwork and school day always helps my swimming. it goes bo ways, i guess. >> it certainly seems to be working. what world records do you hold? >> 400 free, 800 free and 15 hundred dollars frees. she had just started her senior year at a private high school outside washington. >> how stuff is it to be a normal teenager? >> it's not tough at all. it's been a lot of fun the past couple years, swimming and going to school. >> is there any time for boys? >> no, i don't have a boyfriend and never have. >> katie started swinging competitively at 6. her enthusiasm stronger than her
>> you can improve that time and that's a result of what you do every day in practice. i think you can see the correlation. >> numbers don't lie. >> exactly. numbers don't lie, and they show what you do in practice. i like that aspect of it. >> in 2012 at age 15, she made the olympic team, but she was no favorite. >> i would have been happy if i got fst i was just grateful to be at the olympics. i didn't have many expectations for myself. >> and what happened? >> i won. it was a threat night. this is the 2012 olympic goal in the 800. >> may i? it is gorgeous, isn't it? >> yeah. it's a nice keepsake. >> the keepsake got some company in 2014, five more gold medals from another competition.
focusing on the olympics. >> i think it's more of time goals rather than i have to make this meet or have to get these medals. >> if you met your time goal and finished third, would you be happy or disappointed? >> i would be happy. you can't control what other people will do. i try to set my time goals to put me up there, put me in contention for a medal. >> but ledecky's gold rush will have to wait. she anchored the u.s. team i relay last night that won silver. she's scheduled to swim in three individual events and one more relace, and she's favored for gold in all of them. now this program note, be sure to tune to fox news chas at 10:00 p.m. eastern for fox news reporting zika anchored by trace gallagher. that's it for today.
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