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tom brady has made a few himself but -- jim: see what eli decides to do here. he's going to take a time-out. he had all kind of strategy if you're the giants. your opponent has only one time-out left plus the two-minute warning. remember the game at the super bowl where they told ahmad bradshaw don't score? phil: if they're going to run this. this is going to be first down. whatever they do takes it to the two-minute warning. you would think they would run it here to get it to the two-minute warning. jim: do you try to score? you have a placekicker, it's a chippy from here. he hasn't missed the entire
phil:, where -- yes, you do try to score. you could kick the field goal and that puts you up two points but that leaves enough time for tom brady to get some throws to get in field goal range. jim: interesting debate here, because you're right, if they were just to essentially take a knee here -- the patriots have that time-out plus the two-minute warning. going up top. yeah, they're going. oh, it's knocked out of the hands. they rule ate touchdown for beckham. but now they'll talk about it. yes, they say touchdown.
contested. referee: after the touchdown occurred -- jim: this whole thing -- we go on and on about what's a catch, take it to the ground. the dez bryant play against green bay in the playoffs. and this is going to be reviewed this is going to demand that we bring in mike carey. phil: oh, there's contact before he establishes maybe the catch on the ground. we'll see what mike carey says. jim: mike carey, is that a touchdown? mike: no, that one is not a touchdown. and here's why. in order to complete the catch, you have to have two feet clearly down with possession. simultaneous with that second foot was the strip.
the ball comes out. incomplete pass and that's what i would rule if i was on the field. phil: very well said, mike. jim: there was a lot of hesitation, mike, on the field, too, as it happened with the officials. mike: it happens so quick and the passing game is complex, but when you slow it down you see there is just not enough time with control after the second step. the ball is out. this is incomplete. this is one we all can agree on, i think. one step, two steps -- three -- jim: yep. mike: he had no time to become a runner. and it's the same in the end zone as in the field of play. referee: the pass is incomplete. the ball is knocked out just as the second foot touched the ground. the receiver had not quiet -- yet become a runner.
jim: incomplete is the call. another little nuance here, he happened with 2:01 to go so that saves another play from new england's perspective. phil: absolutely, huge play in the strategy of this football game. i'm not surprised. even the play before, the long pass to harris down the sideline, being aggressive. they've been aggressive all day long and have continued that right here to the end. jim: let's give butler the credit for the barack -- break u.n. of that pass. phil: he's had a tremendous day, no question. and that play gives new england one more chance. jim: second and goal. to the end zone and butler on the coverage of harris. and we've reached the two-minute
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jim: 1:56 to go. third and goal coming up for tom coughlin's giants. vereen comes into the backfield. can they finish off a drive that began back at their own 3? rolling out is manning. looking, looking. nothing there and he cuts his losses back at the 11. belichick runs onto the field and calls new england's last time-out. phil: really good job by the patriots. a play that a lot of people in the west coast offense, which the giants run, they're going to run out here. manning is going to go out there, run that way and the patriots do a great job of passing it off and having everybody covered and nowhere for manning to throw the football. jim: of course, eli falls down
cannot step out of bounds here, forcing that last time-out with 1:50 to go. phil: they were trying to do a moving pick and the patriots were ready for it. that's a play i've seen the giants run many times, and the patriots guessed right. jim: wing on the hold. brown from 29. to take the lead. high snap. wing got it down and brown is 4-4 today. and the giants lead it 26-24. phil: good catch, good hold. jim: we talked about jamie collins being out for the patriots.
he's pretty good when it comes to these kind of situations. blocked field goals, jumping into the sky. we saw one of the greats plays earlier this year by collins. not available today, inactive. there's mcbride, who came up with the big interception and no doubt he and the rest of those giants defenders are going to be pressed now, as tom brady is ready to go out and try to get another game-winning drive put together so they can keep their perfect season intact, if they can get in range for gostkowski. phil: we've watched this. no time-outs for the patriots. what will the giants do? will they be aggressive on the defensive side or are they going to let brady get this thing moving, which a lot of defenses do by just sitting back, trying to give -- get the tackle and
the throw? jim: amendola standing in the end zone. interesting deciding not to take it out just a yard deep. here's tonight's last time. "60 minutes," scott pelley reporting from paris. new episodes of "madam secretary," "the good wife," and csi: cyber," only cbs. no time-outs for nefpblgt 1:47 to go. james white stands alongside brady. dobson the extra receiver. here's the pressure. pass down the field and it is intercepted! that is landon collins, their
did the ball hit the ground? it's ruled incomplete. catch it and the game is over. referee: the pass is ruled incomplete. there is a time-out charged to new england as a result of the injury inside the last two minutes. that's their second time-out. phil: the ball hits the ground. and as he rolls over, doesn't complete the process, just like a receiver, and that's why it's incomplete. tom brady was blitzed. underthrew the football. jim: gives brady a chance to go over and talk to josh mcdaniels.
and heading to the sideline. they'll be without the safety on this next play. phil: tom brady trying to get time. jason pierre-paul was there. tevin wade, the defensive back, was there. he needed to throw it about 10 more yards and give his receiver a chance there but he couldn't because of the pressure. jim: that close to ending up -- it. fred dahl comes in for collins. second and 10. thrown away, in the direction of lafell. they're getting pressure on brady. consistently. phil: they are. listen. crowd noise. that offensive line is scuffling all around and it's an obvious passing situation. it doesn't get any harder.
doesn't play many downs. they bring him in for situations that are obvious passing downs. good job getting pressure on tom brady. jim: third and 10. stepping up, and that pass incomplete. bouncing in the direction of lafell. phil: boy, mcbride, the extra defensive back was there. nice job by tom brady. when you step up in the pocket like this you expect somebody to come open but there really is nothing there. went backside and a good throw. just throwing it away into the ground. jim: a good example of how much brady misses edelman at a moment like this fourth and 10. one stop by the giants and the patriots' perfect season is over. brady from the pocket. he's got the completion to amendola. and there's a pulse for the
patriots with 1:15 to go, clock running. phil: amendola taking the roll over from edelman, the slot receiver. good throw by brady. jim: to gronkowski. this will take up some time. out to the 39. gain of seven. phil: they don't need that much more. 25 yards puts them in field goal range. tom brady elects not to spike the football. jim: 45 seconds. quick throw to the sideline to dobson for the first down. and that stops the clock with 42 seconds. phil: the giants have stayed aggressive on the defensive side. jim: spagnuolo urging his defense.
and that pass affected by the rush. of j.p.p. phil: that's what he does, just push the pocket. number 90. comes all the way around that time. jason pierre-paul. a little hesitation. boy, that's a great job of going low, getting around the tackle. stork, and causing brady to missing chingt -- miss. a wide-open receiver down the field. jim: taking advantage of the likes of sebastian vollmer out with injury. no time-outs, new england. brady has time to find a man and he does, at the 46. it's amendola again. with his ninth catch of the game. phil: got to spike the ball this time. jim: he's not. going for one more in the
incompletion stops it with 19 seconds. phil: well, second down. a situation like this, you can throw it anywhere. he could throw it in the middle of the field because with 19 seconds that would still give him time to go wherever the ball is completed, spike it and give his tick kicker a chance. jim: landon collins, who nearly finished it off, could not hold on to what would have been the game-ending interception. he's back out there, number 21. brady, who's thrown for nearly 200 yards in this quarter. goes to amendola. that move a big one. phil: great move. caught the giants that time. they were coming with pressure. brady got rid of it quickly. jim: and now he spikes it with six seconds. phil: you said it what a move by amendola, knowing the pressure is coming from the inside, stops
jim: it's going to be about a 54-yard -- phil: amendola reeled the blitz. that's why he just stopped. tom brady saw number 31 on the blitz. easy for brady to see, took advantage of it. jim: the giants have a time-out if they want to do anything to play with the mind of the kicker, who mike the best, gostkowski. 54 yards to win it. they're going call a time-out. giants time-out. phil: i'll say this, great job by the patriots' offense. that whole drive, every throw, everything was contested. tom brady hung in there. got fortunate with the first play that wasn't intercepted.
again, throwing for nearly 200 in the fourth. he's the longest tenured patriot. the second longest is the man who's going to decide it now, gostkowski. he had a -- made a 57-yarder down at dallas this year, a career long. he has not missed this entire season and has made 29 consecutive overall. in his career, 16-20 beyond 50. 80%.
gostkowski's kick -- it's good! phil: wasn't sure mirkse even as i watched it go through. i didn't know if it was good or not. it was that close. jim: it was hooking a bit at the end but gostkowski -- phil: just a slight breeze, a little hook. hangs in there. jim: boy, if you ever have a game where you think you have a chance to take the patriots, you're trying to put together a lineup -- they have so many missing parts. the giants put together one of those great drives of their own, got down inside 10, could not get the touchdown.
lead changes and the last one comes with only one second left. phil: well, that was a -- listen, this patriots team -- you and i have said this many times -- they're so disciplined, so tough, and the giants were tough today too but they're used to so many of these battling that they can just hang in there no matter what the odds. look, you said it, the offensive line, dion lewis, one of their big pass catchers out of the backfield. eden ma -- edelman, all that gone and they still found a way to beat an inspired giants team today. jim: our kick track says that the kick, as this one goes on the ground preventing the giants from getting anything going. no, they actually with jennings -- the ball is on the ground.
last minutes gives it up. that's randle back to beckham. is this going to be miami-duke or what? no, he's out of bounds. the game is over. bill belichick and the patriots are now 9-0. one of the better games you'll see this whole season ends with the patriots on top. just when you think the giants had their number again, the patriots get the gostkowski winner from 54 out. phil: three times today i said the giants got them but the patriots found a way. they got an opportunity and they took advantage of it. jim: tonight on cbs begins with "60 minutes." scott pelley reporting from paris.
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>> i just realized that they were here to kill as many people as possible. it was going to be a bloodbath. >> pelley: have you spoken to the president? >> yeah, a number of times. >> yeah. >> pelley: you feud man you can work with? >> yeah. this is the job. >> pelley: paul ryan didn't want the thankless job of leading a fractured majority that can't keep its promises. besides, he preferred his house in janesville, wisconsin, to the people's house in washington. >> it has been polarizing. it has been dysfunctional. and at this time in our country's history, we can't afford to keep this dysfunction going. >> kroft: not since football was nearly banned 100 years ago has the sport been under the microscope the way it is today, and all of it has to do with matters of the brain. you think the game's safer than it's ever been before? >> i do. i am convinced of it. i think the changes we've made
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>> kroft: two days after the paris terror attacks, there are these developments. cbs news is reporting there were eight attackers, seven of whom are dead. one is at large. paris is on edge. french police have recovered a car outside the city they believe the surviving attacker used to make his escape. it contained three ak-47 assault rifles. seven people have been detained in belgium as part of the investigation. isis has claimed responsibility for the series of attacks, which left at least 129 people dead. hundreds more were injured, including nearly 100 in critical condition. scott pelley is in paris for us. >> pelley: on this sunday night,
paid tribute to the dead and to the wounded. you're about to meet two witnesses to the assault on paris. one of them was shot as he played dead inside the concert hall where most of the victims were killed. the other watched innocent people shot down by one of the terrorists. together they paint a picture of the day darkness descended on the city of light. what was the very first thing you saw? >> colclough: a gunman. dressed in black. black boots, black trousers, tight, a black sweater of sorts, no collar. and standing in a very clear gun position, shooting position. he was holding a weapon, and had it shoulder... had it shouldered, and was shooting quite deliberately and precisely. >> pelley: mark colclough, a
danish psychotherapist, was walking with a friend toward the bonne biere cafe. where was he shooting? >> colclough: the french have a habit of having chairs outside the cafe, so you can sit with your back to the window, and just watch the world go by. and people were doing that. and he shot three of them, just like that. the three that were sitting outside, he shot very quickly. >> pelley: so, as he opens fire on the crowd outside the cafe... >> colclough: three people. there wasn't a crowd. he had positioned his leg so he would... he would stand in a kind of tripod kind of way. had the rifle up to his left shoulder. and quite deliberately shot, looked, shot, looked, shot, looked, stopped. >> pelley: what happened to those three people? >> colclough: they fell of their chairs. >> pelley: he hit them all? >> colclough: oh yeah, they were dead. or they fell off their chairs, we could see that. that's the first thing i saw. he was shooting that way, down
then he gyrated back and he shot straight ahead into a car that was parked, that was at the crossroads next to the cafe. >> pelley: this is the scene. there's the car. and these are the people who "fell off their chairs." the man recording this video says to himself, "poor people, it can't be true, it can't be true." what happened next? >> colclough: he then stepped forward and then he turned right and walked into the cafe that the three people had been sitting in front of. >> pelley: it didn't appear to you that he had the weapon set on automatic, and he was just sweeping the room? >> colclough: no. it wasn't random. >> pelley: but he was picking out his targets, shooting them one at a time? moving to the next target? >> colclough: he shot the three, then he shot into the car. then he moved into the cafe. looked right, panned right with his weapon, didn't shoot. panned left, duck-duck-duck. pause.
pause. >> pelley: the shooting stopped. the gunman fled. mark colclough and his friend went to see if they could help. when you went into the cafe what did you see? >> colclough: wounded. some were, i could see one guy had been shot in his thigh. i could see another woman had... already been given an oxygen mask, and was... i could see the paramedics had put themselves on either side of her so i thought she was more critically wounded. and then towards the bar i could see on our left, i could see there were three of four dead bodies lying in front of the bar. civilians. so, i looked down, and i saw big puddles of blood. puddles. not little droplets, but puddles. >> pelley: tables turned over? >> colclough: yeah. >> pelley: chairs flipped over? chaos?
>> colclough: and the... again, the smell of gunpowder in the room. >> pelley: half a mile away, an american band was playing to a packed house at the bataclan music hall. francois was by the stage. he's asked us to use only his first name. >> francois: there was about 1,500 people inside. so, people were standing and dancing at the ground floor. >> pelley: on the ground floor, there are no seats? it's all open? >> francois: no seats. there is the bar at the back and people dancing at the front. >> pelley: what was the first thing you noticed? >> francois: i so, i heard the- the gunshots, about ten. i look back. and i saw this man shooting a rifle. >> pelley: describe him to me. >> francois: he was shooting
targeting the people. i don't know. every-everything was methodic. very precise and-and he was trained, he was clearly trained. >> pelley: clearly trained? >> francois: yeah. >> pelley: did they have to stop and reload? >> francois: i saw him reloading very, very fast. >> pelley: you think he was experienced? >> francois: yeah. >> pelley: trained like a soldier? >> francois: yeah. >> pelley: francois was hit, a grazing bullet to the back. he fell to the dance floor and played dead. >> pelley: what are you seeing were other people wounded >> francois: yes. yes. i saw people hurt. the... i saw people laid on the ground not moving. they were probably dead or... several injured. there was... there was blood all
over the ground. and-and yeah, it was a nightmare. >> pelley: and when you realized there were multiple gunmen, what did you think? >> francois: i just realized that they were... they were here to kill as many people as possible. so i just thought it was... it was going to be a bloodbath, it was really hell. like, people were just all pushing to the... to the exit. it was it was really packed of people trying to get above each other, trying to ex... trying to escape. >> pelley: he made a break for it through this exit. those are people hanging from the windows above. as you're escaping through this door, was it difficult to get through that?
>> francois: there was a lot of people on me for about 30 seconds. >> pelley: on top of you? >> francois: yeah, on top of me. >> pelley: crawling over you? >> francois: yeah. it was about two people over me trying to escape. and it was really long to-to get out of the building. >> pelley: neighbors opened their apartments to the wounded. a stranger used a shirt to stop francois's bleeding. later, he overheard the police assault on the terrorists. >> pelley: what happened then? >> francois: then we-we waited about two hours in-in the apartment. the-the police came to us, making sure everybody was okay in the building. >> pelley: can you show me where you were hit? >> francois: yes. so, i was shot here, at the...
below my shoulder. and the bullet came out here. >> pelley: that's where the exit wound is? >> francois: yeah. the exit wound right here, close to the spine. >> pelley: what did the doctors tell you about the course that the bullet took? >> francois: they told me i was extremely lucky. because the bullet didn't touch any muscles or bones. >> pelley: so lucky to be alive? >> francois: yeah. yeah. yeah. >> bauer: unfortunately if it happens here it will replicate somewhere else. >> pelley: they tested the concept here. >> bauer: yeah. >> pelley: alain bauer is a former security advisor to the french government who helped new york city set up its counter terrorism unit after 9/11. >> pelley: is it possible that they could get that to the united states? >> bauer: i think they will try. we are only the second worst country in the world for them. u.s. are first. >> pelley: six locations were
hit in 33 minutes. alain bauer believes that the main target was the soccer match between france and germany, broadcast live across europe. the french president was there. but outside the stadium only one victim was killed. >> bauer: they arrived too late. >> pelley: they arrived too late? after all this planning, they got there late? >> bauer: it happens. >> pelley: bauer says one terrorist failed to get into the stadium with a propane tank rigged to explode in a backpack full of nails and bolts. the bomber blew himself up. >> bauer: the main issue was, clearly, to create a lot of chaos. and it did not happen the way they wanted. so we had a lot of luck. >> pelley: bauer sees paris as a turning point. >> bauer: and it shows how people that are not very well equipped can have such a determination, first, to kill, bullet by bullet, people they
themselves to show their case. this is a big change in the level of determination and of violence. >> pelley: too often we think of these things in isolation. but here, in just the last few weeks now, isis blew up the russian jetliner in egypt, it attacked its enemies with a bomb in lebanon, and now, a few days later, this attack in paris. >> pelley: when you connect the dots this is not over for the western democracies. >> bauer: it's just the beginning. isis said it. it's just the beginning. they are... they are right. you need to listen to them, read them, understand they say, the way they say it, and what they want. and they say it all the time. >> pelley: you take them at their word. >> bauer: of course. why not? >> pelley: paris was smaller
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>> kroft: this past week, before friday's tragedy in paris, scott pelley went to wisconsin for a far-ranging conversation with the new speaker of the house. >> pelley: congress discovered new depths of dysfunction in september when the speaker of the house unexpectedly resigned, his designated successor refused the job, and paul ryan, the only leader republicans could agree on, turned them down. ryan didn't want the thankless job of leading a fractured majority that can't keep its promises. besides, he preferred his house in janesville, wisconsin, to the people's house in washington. but tonight, much to his surprise, ryan is speaker-- at 45, the youngest in more than 140 years, and on his terms. he's an expert on the budget, mitt romney's running mate in
and we met him in his hometown on his second week in the job. have you spoken to the president? >> paul ryan: yeah, a number of times. >> pelley: since you became speaker? >> ryan: uh-huh. >> pelley: and the substance of those conversations has been what? >> ryan: varied on a number of different issues. and much of it discussed about things we can get working together on, things that we have to get done by the end of the year. and just, you know, courtesy issues. we talk about... we talk about having teenage daughters, too. >> pelley: but you found a man you can work with? >> ryan: sure. yeah, look, this is the job. absolutely. >> pelley: well, it hasn't been... >> ryan: he's president of the united states. my president, too. >> pelley: it hasn't... the job hasn't been getting done these last several years... >> ryan: i agree with that. but nevertheless, this government does have to work. >> pelley: on your first day as speaker, you said you were going to wipe the slate clean. >> ryan: uh-huh. >> pelley: and then in your very first news conference, you said the president has "proven himself untrustworthy on immigration." that's not wiping the slate clean; that's blowing chalk dust in the president's face. >> ryan: well, i think wiping the slate clean was about wiping
the slate clean in congress and getting congress, the house functioning again. but on this particular issue, he tried to go around congress and write the law unilaterally. >> pelley: but when people hear this, they think, "here we go again. nothing's going to change." >> ryan: i think you can walk and chew gum at the same time. i think you can oppose the president on some issue that you fundamentally disagree with, but also work with the other party on issues you do agree with. that's what i've been doing. look, if we can find common ground... we can on highways, we will on funding the government, hopefully. we can on tax policy. those are three things that will produce certainty in this economy in the next few months. let's go do that. >> pelley: there was a time on capitol hill when the other guy had a bad idea, and now, on capitol hill, the other guy's a bad guy. >> ryan: yeah, i think that's right. >> pelley: how do you heal that animosity? it's your job now. >> ryan: leadership, by the example, is the way i look at it. somewhere in this, we got into impugning people's character and motives if we didn't like their ideas. we've got to get back to just
debating ideas. and also, i think we need to sort of... you know, we have two ears and one mouth. we got to use those in that proportion. >> pelley: his mother betty taught him to listen more and speak less. we met her, his wife janna, and cousin adam in a favorite neighborhood restaurant. janna, how did you first hear that paul was being asked to be speaker of the house? >> janna ryan: i am a big thrift store shopper, and i was in my car in front of the salvation army here in janesville when the phone rang. and he said "well, this is coming our way. and you think i should say no, right?" and i said, "oh, yeah, you should say no." and that's how it started. >> pelley: and it's speaker of the house-- i mean, how do you say no? >> janna ryan: for our family, for the rhythm of our life, for what we saw our path, it just seemed like too much. it seemed like the pressure for him to travel, to be in so many places, to be so much to so many
people would leave too little of him for his role as father and husband. >> pelley: mr. speaker, how did you get from "no" to "yes"? you said "hell, no!" >> ryan: yeah. i see myself as more of a policy maker than a political leader. i do politics in order to do policy. i came into it no. then, i realized the situation in our caucus was fairly dire, and that i sort of had an obligation and a duty to step up and do it. and then the question was, can i redesign the job so that i can do it well, so i can be happy and successful? and the fact that we live here in janesville-- we don't live in washington, and our kids are ten, 12 and 13 years old. it's mostly an empty-nester that gets this job, who spends his or her weekends flying around america fundraising. i'm not going to spend my saturdays and sundays flying around america fundraising. i'm going to spend them here, where i need to be. and so, once i learned i could redesign the job, then i decided to do it. and now that i'm doing it, i
i'm actually excited about it. >> janna ryan: and now it's one of those things that i can't imagine that it wouldn't have happened. i'm not saying that there aren't moments that you think, "wow, how did this happen? you know, how am i on '60 minutes' right now talking about paul being speaker?" but it was... it just... it felt right. >> pelley: mr. speaker, i... >> ryan: i go by "paul," so if it's okay with you... >> pelley: would you prefer that? because people aren't going to call you that. >> ryan: yeah, well, i prefer it if i... they are... ( laughter ) >> pelley: what adversity in your life has made you the person you are today? >> ryan: probably losing my dad when i was 16. >> pelley: what happened? >> ryan: he died of a heart attack. my mom was off with my aunt visiting my sister in denver. i worked the late shift at mcdonald's the night before. and i was going to sleep in, wake up, mow the lawn. and my dad's office called asking where he was. and i went to find him and he was... you know, he had died over... in his sleep of a heart attack. >> pelley: what did you learn from it?
>> ryan: i learned tragedy. i learned perseverance. and i learned a lot about myself and about my mom and about my family. >> pelley: your father, your grandfather, your great- grandfather all died in their 50s. does that put a fire under you? >> ryan: it does, so i focus on just being healthy. i don't want this to happen to my kids, to janna. and it does. it gave me the other sense that life is short, you better make the most of it. >> pelley: janna, this is an extremely rare opportunity for a reporter. you don't do interviews. i wonder why that is. why not? >> janna ryan: because i've always wanted our family to be a refuge from politics, to be seen... when people to see us as a family, to think of us as janna and paul and charlie, liza, and sam; not as "here comes the speaker of the house" or "here comes that guy who has those votes i don't like," or whatever it would be. i want to be as a family here in
normal-- whatever that means-- regular family. >> pelley: mr. speaker-- or paul, if you insist-- you don't have a home in washington. >> ryan: no, we live here in janesville. >> pelley: where do you sleep? >> ryan: for about a decade, i've been sleeping on a cot in my office. it's very efficient to me. >> pelley: you sleep every night in washington on a cot in your office? >> ryan: yeah, i work a lot. all i do is work there. i get up very early in the morning, i work out. and then i work till about 11:00, 11:30 at night, do the same thing the next day. >> pelley: where do you get cleaned up? >> ryan: in the gym. i work out every morning, and i shower in the gym and i go on with my day. >> pelley: one of the things that you said during this period of time that you were telling the republican caucus that you didn't want the job was that you were concerned that the job would open up your children to ridicule. >> ryan: well, they're coming of age. >> pelley: what does that say about politics in our country? >> ryan: yeah, that's a good point. politics has become a blood sport that goes beyond just the person whose name is on the ballot.
basically, our kids are getting to the age where they start paying attention, and they're going to see things about their dad that, you know, won't be flattering because i'll take controversial positions on policy issues. and i just wanted to make sure our kids have a normal upbringing, a normal life like we had here in janesville. >> pelley: janesville, southern wisconsin, is getting on pretty well, even though the g.m. plant closed after 90 years. 64,000 people, mostly german and irish. >> ryan: we have 67 cousins is our last count here in janesville, and we all live within about eight blocks of each other. >> pelley: his party's frontrunner for president proposes to deport all illegal immigrants. what's your immigration plan? >> ryan: i think it starts with border enforcement. i think it starts with enforcing the rule of law. but you need to have a vibrant legal immigration system. legal immigration is america. my name's ryan... >> pelley: but some sort of a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants... >> ryan: i don't agree with that. i don't agree with that. i think you could have a pathway to legal status. that's been what i have proposed
in the past is a pay... a way to make amends with the law-- effectively, go on probation and earn your way to legal status, but not to citizenship. >> pelley: i take it you don't advocate rounding up 11 million illegal immigrants and deporting them. >> pelley: i do not. >> pelley: that's not going to happen while you're speaker of the house. >> ryan: i can't imagine how it could happen, so no. >> pelley: you have proposed having only two tax brackets, 10% and 25%. that still your position? >> ryan: yeah, i've always liked that plan. and our tax code really punishes our small businesses, which is where most of our jobs come from. i mean, look, we're sitting here in wisconsin. overseas-- which, to us, means lake superior, you know-- the canadians are taxing their businesses at 15%. the top tax rate on successful small businesses in america, here in wisconsin, is 44.6%. how can you compete like that? how can you have jobs? how can working families get ahead with a tax system like that? >> pelley: give me three things you would do on tax reform, very specifically. >> ryan: well, i'd simplify the code dramatically. i would collapse the rates down
to two or three. and i would change the way we tax ourselves internationally, so businesses can take their money and bring it back home so american businesses stay american businesses. and we have to drop our rates on i think those three things right there are what i would do. >> pelley: with this new job, what are the stakes of failure? >> ryan: the country stays on the path it is on-- deep poverty, flat wages, working families falling behind, a wreck of national security, oh, followed up by a debt crisis. >> pelley: and what is the elephant in the room? >> ryan: well, i think it's our entitlement programs, it's our budget deficits... >> pelley: social security? >> ryan: it's social security, it's medicare, it's medicaid. and the good news on these issues is that if we reform them for the next generation now, we can guarantee-- guarantee-- that people in or near retirement don't have any changes in their benefits. >> pelley: most people don't realize that two-thirds of the federal budget is social security, medicare, medicaid, and the pentagon.
>> ryan: that's right. >> pelley: so, in terms of social security, in your view, we're going to have to raise the retirement age? >> ryan: we haven't as a caucus decided this issue yet. so as speaker of the house, i help manage and bring to a consensus. i'm not dictator of the house. but i have always believed, and i've been public about this for many years, for younger people, when they age, we should change the retirement age to reflect longevity. because that just to make the program finances work. >> pelley: not dictator of the house, but he did start with an ultimatum to about 40 conservatives called the "freedom caucus". if he was going to leave his dream job, chairman of ways and means-- the tax committee-- he demanded their support by the end of the week. they agreed. and ryan promised to open the process to their ideas and amendments. but when it comes to a vote, he expects their support. >> pelley: do you work for the "freedom caucus," or do they work for you? >> ryan: they... we work for the american people.