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reputation repair. a picture may be worth 1,000 word. on mug shot web sites you can put a price on. it is a big business, is this cyberbullying or public service? >> rocky or raging bull? who would win? they just may be the two greatest fighters in movie history. >> should have been a fight to the death. they said, nah. >> now they're settling the score. get ready for grudge match. our interview with sylvester stallone and robert de niro. holiday heist.
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good evening. thank you for joining us. getting arrested is traumatic enough especially if you are innocent and prove it later. what if your mug shot showed up all over the in the net anyway. and you have to pay to get it taken down. tonight, we're going inside the booming business of mug shot web sites. where your misfortune paves the road to their fortune. here is abc's steve osunsami. >> reporter: for the people whose faces are splashed across these web pages it can be
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embarrassing, stigmatizing and downright depression. not just talking jail house photos of celebrities, the real money these days is with real people. >> no one is mint to be in jail. so i say that i wasn't supposed to be there, no one is, but it was really a turning point in my life. lowest point in my life. >> reporter: michael admits he is not a perfect young man by any means. but says the mug shot from the dui arrest in georgia is now available with every internet search of his name. >> stuff follows you forever. feels like i am a little fish in a big pond. hard to fight the mug shot companies. i don't know who to turn to to make them go away. >> the former cadet says god is forgiving. but the web sites that post his photos are not. today he runs a moving business and fears he will never escape his past. >> it is ridiculous to have one small chapter of your life affecting the entirety of your life. we found dozens of mug shot web
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sites still running strong. and in most states their work is perfectly legal. they stand behind sunshine laws that allow them to legally download booking photos and other open record from police web sites. some times the very second those files are released. wanda dallas worked for the fulton county sheriff in georgia and is a magistrate court judge. >> fundamentally we know it is wrong. in a country that gives people the access off to information and then, age of information where it is available so quickly. how do you stop this? >> here is where critics say the web sites take it too far. many of them still make their money by charging the people in the photos hundreds of dollars to take the pictures down. >> now we are going to draw right here. >> reporter: andy mcmahon, computer technician in atlanta says he paid $75 to take down an old booking photo from a dui. he says he hasn't had a drink in several years and now is a family man with two kids.
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>> after they took it down. they started popping up everywhere. it was hit one down and it popped up other places. >> reporter: sophia says she is innocent. a court agrees. >> it's look you can't move on with your life. everybody goes to google to see who you are. i am not a criminal. not charged with anything. >> reporter: she was the victim and felt violated pie mug shot web sites that legally published booking photos from what she says was a false arrest for domestic dispute, later all cleared from her record. >> a constant reminder. >> reporter: when she asked one of the sites to keep her photos private. they said yes but she would have to pay $399. and she refused. >> all they want is money to take the pictures down. it's not just -- that i take my photograph down on this site. it comes down on this site and pops up some where else. over and over and over again.
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when does it stop? >> reporter: we found several pages like that explain how they charge to remove booking photos even if the person in the picture was cleared. question, if i was found not guilty or had my record expunged will you remove my mug shot for free? their answer, no. question, how do you sleep at night? their answer, just like you in a bed. cuddling with the freedom of speech and american flag and the king james bible. we went looking for a voice from the mug shot website eindustry but found contact information on sites often led nowhere. >> you are just a business man in this scenario. >> a businessman and advocate. >> reporter: we did find this man in louisiana who asked to remain in shadow. >> think of how many people have been arrested. now, put a small service fee on that amount of people. you can see why the industry its sort of taken off. >> he told us to call him tj. says he is a middle man.
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hired by thousands of americans each year, desperate to get their booking photos taken down. own his website that offers reputation repair he charges up to $1,3400 for his services and swears he is not in bed with the owners of the sites. >> is this a dirty business that you are in? >> i've don't kid it dirty what i do. what i do is help people. >> what you are basically is doing, saying if you don't pay me. i will leave this damaging photo of you out on the internet. >> reporter: when weep f first the story, lawmaker bruce would make it a crime for a website to remove a mug shot photo. after our report, nearly every state lawmaker supported his bill and it became law. georgia governor signing it. joining a handful of states now trying to protect residents with booking photos. if your mug shot is out there. you call them. they have 30 days to remove it.
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if they've don't remove it. now they're in violation of the law. >> reporter: the credit card companies are helping law makers like bruce in a big way. refusing to ans ir. when the sites were brought to our attention we done cuttinged -- our attention we conducted a review and a new policy suspension of any website that requires payment for removal. search engine giant google making headlines with a target of the industry. and now websites pushed down the list on web results. >> the web sites are difficult to keep track. as much as you, you and other lawmakers have gone after them, have put a dent in some of their business. we are still running. >> can't stop people from breaking the law. we now have method in place off to enforce it. and to hopefully, drive these people out of business. and to -- and if they continue
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to break the law, to prosecute them. >> reporter: in an e-mail we heard back from busted mug, a popular site, facing a lawsuit for more than $250,000 people in ohio. excusing the company from exploiting their photos for commercial gain. and the company ceo told us he is providing a public service saying that we feet public's right to know about local arrests and crime outweighs this concern. which is one of the main reasons the public record laws have determined these must be disclosed to the public. he told us in march, his company removes photos for free when the person shows they've been exonerated. this its what his website says tonight. we'ren the process of altering our arrest record policy and unable to remove this record at this time. effective immediately we will no longer be accepting payment for any record removal. our insider says this is the result of new laws ha gainst the
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industry. web sites will keep rolling on without ever taking any pictures down. >> she was arrested today. and her photo is already online. >> reporter: he says the real problem is the law. the industry would go away with authorities stopped treating booking photos like trophy. >> why are we posting a mug shot of some one who missed traffic court. >> sophia has become the face and emotional fire in the fight against the mug shot industry. she was there in georgia the day the governor signed the new law. she start aid nonprofit to help other families fighting the web sites. >> i had to make a decision for myself. i will not let this thing beat me. >> reporter: michael is continuing with his recovery, which would be a lot ears if the web sites weren't chasing him with the photos. >> people make mistakes. they shouldn't hold some body back for the rest of their lives. >> our thanks to steve for that.
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they might be two of the most famous on screen boxers, sylvester stallone as underdog ricky balboa and robert de niro
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as raging bull boxer, the two go at it on the screen for "grudge match" they put on the kid gloves with me for their "nightline" interview. >> your punch. >> there is not much that can match the thrill learning how to throw a punch from the most iconic movie boxer of all time. but it gets even better, buzz to my right the other most famous big screen fighter of our generation. >> push with your shoulder. >> um. >> whoa. >> reporter: in one corner, sim vester sta len as rocky. in the other corner, robert de niro as jake lamata as raging bull. now all the years later they're in the ring together in the movie "grudge match." the concept two old rivals decide they need to settle a score >> please i am becki inbegging . begging you. >> reporter: throwing punches at
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each other and taking a few jabs at the roles that made them famous. whutz id whose idea was it? >> wasn't my idea. >> it is fooling with two boxing icons of our generation, the generation before, and probably the next generation. >> it's raging bull and rocky. and head-on collision. he is going to be cartoonish, raging bull winkle, rocky the flying squirrel. i don't know. >> reporter: stallone is protective of his iconic roll, won three oscars, spawned five sequels and often named as one of the best films of all time. >> i palgsed f edpassed for a y. called you another year. wasn't all till he called. couldn't get him off the phone. >> i just thought an interesting thing for us to do. i said don't worry it will be okay. >> how do you know? >> i know. >> reporter: a leap of faith kidding they had a real life rivalry dating back 40 years
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when rocky faced off with taxi driver for best picture. >> rocky and taxi driver came out the same year. they were against each other. competing. in the ols carscars. here we are. in '76. all most 40 years later in the ring. >> and the winner is "rocky." ♪ to all the rockies in the world i love you. >> reporter: since newt fithe n is called grudge match. we wondered. do you hold grudges? >> i don't really hold grudges. if i hold them. i get over them. i've don't like to keep that energy in myself towards other people. >> reporter: how about you? grudges? >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> for real? so we like each other now. >> jimm >> reporter: you two could be the new odd couple. could be something in this. >> sheriff, sorry to have awoken you from your slumber.
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it is over. roipt two ha >> reporter: the two have teamed up before in the 1997 movie copland. getting into the boxing ring was a lot different. especially for sta len who says he first had to lighten up a little bit. >> don't know if i've was being too protective or pressured, about the legacy, or something that we built. >> reporter: finally he was ready to go there. even willing to take a swipe at one of rocky's memorable scenes. >> hey, hey, what are you doing? just here to buy a little dinner. you didn't have to punch everything. >> who was the most out of shape? >> me. >> reporter: really? >> yeah. i just didn't really like working out for a while. i just stayed of the gym, a year. he works out of every day. >> reporter: you're tough. >> no, no, no. >> reporter: the punching looks like you are both getting hit. >> body shots here and there.
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>> reporter: nobody got hurt? >> no. thought it should have been fight to the death. they said, no. bring the audience down. ach christmas film. >> that is stallone. big, bold, grabbing the world by the throat. de niro, reserves, quiet, intense. i wonders where these qualities came from. >> just my upbringing. my father was, pound for pound, just a tough person. i picked up some very bad habits. even to this day i am still unlearning things. there will be moments where i will get angry and still. i hear him. i mean, really i have the same speech pattern. and my wife will bring it up. your father is back. i go, ah. >> reporter: what did you learn from your father? >> to me he had a lot of principles. he was very clear about what he felt. he was an artist. yeah. he just always did what he thought he should do. what he believed in. he didn't, when things changed when the art scene changed.
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what was coming out he kept doing this thing. >> i came early. want to see my old friend. duck me for 30 years. i missed him. >> reporter: i love the beginning you are going to make the video version of the fight. >> go ahead. >> reporter: you come out. i think we can agree to call it a ridiculous costume. >> leap of faith, okay. >> what are you doing? >> no, no. >> reporter: we sat down with them on a snowy new york morning, surrounded by photographs of fighters from the past. on behalf of movie fans and fight fans, if rocky got into the ring with jake, what would be the outcome? >> pain. >> reporter: i am serious. how would that come out? >> called 911. >> first of all, jake was rocky. when i modeled the character. i used a lot of jake, right there in your face. knows it will take five to get
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him in. as for who wins in the new movie you will have to go to the theater to find out. >> they shot it a couple of ways, so nobody would tell any body. i don't know the answer. in the film, a great performer knows when it is time to exit the stage. you guys are far away from that now. is it something you think about. >> i would like to add to that. a great performer knows when it is time to exit the stage. don't do it. what's the rush? what's the alternative. >> what any the alternative? >> a better one. >> let's hope neither one of the greats find an alternative anytime soon. >> okay, that was fun." "grudge match" opens in theaters nationwide christmas day. next, away in a manger. of cats? this nativity scene include some unexpected animals coming up next.
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we're adding new names to the naughty list on tonight's "feed frenzy." >> if you didn't get everything you wanted for christmas, try checking your security cameras. there might just be a neighborhood grinch on the loose. check out this surveillance video from a texas neighborhood where a thief reportedly took packages from their very doorsteps. >> especially this time of year. kind of disturbing. >> to make sure thieves don't steal your christmas spirit, experts suggest having gifts delivered some where they will be picked up immediately. not just presents going missing. for the california family, nothing says christmas like their favorite nativity scene in the front yard. nothing says skrooge like what allege lead happenly happened n. >> youon


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