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and get $50 off every $250 purchase. starting right now on abc's starting right now on abc's "this week." >> deadly rampage. >> shots fired. shots fired. >> breaking details on the california shooting spree, the moments of terror, the urgent calls for action. >> we don't have to live like this! >> and the chilling video and manifesto left behind. then the pope's pilgrimage. >> via il papa! >> a surprise message. we're live with francis and the holy land. stunning scandal. >> it is dishonorable, disgraceful and i will not tolerate it. >> the president demanding answers. will the va secretary keep his job? the chairman of the joint chiefs weighs in. band of brothers. on this memorial day weekend the
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memories that never fade. >> what does this mean to you? >> it's huge. this is what i needed. >> from abc news, "this week with george stephanopolous" begins now. >> good morning. i'm martha raddatz. as we come on the air this morning, new details emerging about the deadly rampage near a california college. ten minutes of terror when 22-year-old suspect elliot rodger opened fire, triggering a deadly chase with police. in this disturbing video, rodger called it a day of retribution. here's the latest. police say there are at least ten crime scenes, seven people dead, including rodger, son of a hollywood director, investigators also confirming three interactions with police months before the shooting spree. so, were warning signs missed? our experts weigh in shortly. but first, let's go to abc's clayton sandell outside one of the crime scenes. clayton? >> reporter: martha, normally i
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would say good morning. right now, it is a not good morning here. isla vista is a community in deep sorrow. behind me, the apartment complex where elliot rodger lived and where police say he murdered his first three victims. as shocked residents of this santa barbara community grieve, a clearer picture is starting to form of 22-year-old elliot rodger's twisted plan, a plan that he had apparently been working on for months. >> tomorrow is the day of retribution, a day in which i will have my revenge against humanity. >> reporter: in this youtube video posted the day before his rampage, rodger reveals one motive -- his rejection by women. >> girls gave their affection ( and sex and love to other men, but never to me. >> reporter: he lays out his plan to exact revenge in a rambling 141-page manifesto, he
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writes, "i found that sorority with the most beautiful girls is alpha phi sorority. i know exactly where their house is. and i've sat outside it in my car to stalk them many times." according to authorities, rodger drove to that sorority house and started banging on the door. >> fortunately, no one opened the door. and shortly afterwards, witnesses reported seeing young women who were standing outside in the vicinity shot by the suspect. >> reporter: one of ten terrifying crime scenes, on this video, people diving for cover when the shooting began. >> he fired two shots in, they stopped for about two seconds before they just started raining through. >> reporter: rodger's family said in the weeks before the shooting, they reached out to authorities. they also say he had been receiving mental health treatment. >> it's very, very apparent that he was severely mentally disturbed when you review that document. >> reporter: still so many unanswered questions. and a heartfelt plea from one victim's father. >> too many have died.
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we should say to ourselves, not one more. >> reporter: now of the 13 people who were injured in this attack, this morning, six of them remain in the hospital. martha? >> our thanks to clayton. here now abc contributor and former fbi agent brad garrett and senior justice correspondent pierre thomas. thanks to both of you for joining us. brad, i want to start with you, we talked about these three interactions with police where deputies actually saw him, talked to him, the last was april 30th, they went over there because his mother apparently had concerns about his safety, whether he was suicidal, had seen some videos not the one we just saw, had seen some videos prior. should deputies being determined the mental health of someone like that? they basically said that he was a polite kid and left. >> at an alarming rate, law enforcement are being asked to be law enforcers and psychiatric social workers.
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and so when they are given a set of facts, they take them, and they look at the individual. they did an assessment by interviewing him apparently at his apartment. he was articulate, bright, lucid, not typically what they deal with day in and day out with people with mental health issues. it would appear that sort of put it to rest at that point. and felt like, what else can we really do? he's acting normal. he's written some inappropriate things but i then i guess withdrew them from the internet. >> pierre, let me go to you, so, what could have law enforcement done? let me read from the manifesto that rodger wrote. "as soon as i saw those cops, the biggest fear i had ever felt in my life overcame me. i had the striking and devastating fear that someone had somehow discovered what i was planning to do. if they had demanded to search my room, that would have ended everything." he said he had guns in his room. what could law enforcement have done? they didn't have a search warrant at that point. >> clearly they didn't have the
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predicate to search his room. we talk about in covering terrorism connecting the dots. these things are happening so often now that police are going to have to be more proactive. the one thing that could have set this in motion or stop it would have been to find out that we purchased weapons. you couple that with the fact that his parents are concerned about him being suicidal, and you find out that the man has actually purchased weapons, that might give them the predicate to do a search. >> brad, pierre talked about the parents.ç the parents were clearly concerned. they had social workers involved. therapists. what more could really a parent do? he was a 22-year-old. >> very little, martha. and the problem is that when you take an individual, has no criminal history, has some mental health challenges along the way, has sort of found his way out of college, moving on, you know as a parent, he has got problems. what am i going to do about it? i think they were doing the best they could. once he becomes an adult, his ability to acquire firearms, to have all of these very, very dark thoughts, until he takes
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some action and law enforcement knows inht advance, that he's about to take this action, there's very little they can do, and the parents are unfortunately sort of stuck. >> pierre, quickly, i know we have seen since 1996 there have ì& gunfire on or near a college campus. officials you talked to say there really is a spike nationwide. >> martha, the problem is even bigger than that. between 2008 and 2000, they were averaging five mass shootings a year. we're now averaging 15. that's a threefold increase. law enforcement is deeply concerned. the fbi -- >> is it copy-cat? >> it could be some copy-cats. the fbi is now training police p around the country in terms of how to respond. one of the things they decided is if you get word of a shooting, you have to go in and take out the suspect because there's no time. the killing will continue. the other thing they're trying to do is make their counselors available at the police, the
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fbi, behavioral scientists to consult on cases just like this. >> thank you very much. now to pope francis and his historic pilgrimage to the holy land. he just arrived in bethlehem, are a stop in jordan. it's his first trip to the mideast at pontiff and abc's chief foreign correspondent terry moran is traveling with him. terry? >> reporter: good morning, martha. what a day it has been here. part spiritual. part pilgrimage. part national conversation, and some controversy as well. the pope said he wanted this trip to be strictly religious. he pointedly said that he was in the state of palestine, a term that israel rejects and the u.s. does not recognize. in bethlehem today a profound moment of prayer. pope francis in the grotto where christians believe jesus was born. in the manager square earlier, francis spoke of the christchild and of the children in the world today, exploited, maltreated, enslaved, trafficked. in acknowledging this, he said, we feel shame before god who became a child. as he makes his journey here, this morning, traveling in an
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open car through the palestinian west bank, francis smiles his winning smile, enjoys himself. but this morning, a sorrowful and striking scene, the pope prays at the grim separation barrier dividing israelis and palestinians. there is anger in this pope, we saw it yesterday in jordan when he went off-script, shook his fists and railed at those selling weapons to syria. criminals, he called them. god changed the hearts of those who plan wars. but, can a pope, any pope, make change happen? francis is the fourth pope to visit the holy land. this trip marks the 50th anniversary of pope paul vi's groundbreaking journey. five decades later, still no peace. in the old city of jerusalem, we spoke with andam dakar, a poll spinnian shopkeeper. >> i hope this one will bring difference. but to be honest with you, i
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doubt it. >> you're a bit of a pessimist. >> at the age of 50, you know, living under occupation, for so many years, i don't think anything has changed. >> reporter: maybe it frustrates francis. he comes and hugs the children and meets the political leaders, and prays on the banks of the jordan river, and the wars grind on and the refugees despair, and the children suffer. still, pope francis is determined to bear witness and keep trying. in an extraordinary gesture, he's invited mahmoud abbas and others to join him in the vatican and pray for peace. and they have accepted. martha? >> our thanks to terry. now to the growing scandal at the department of veterans affairs, outrage over delays in life-saving care. this weekend, president obama is demanding answers. abc's jim avila has the latest. >> reporter: the white house scrambling to contain a spreading scandal at the va, sending a mr. fix-it, deputy chief of staff, rob nabors, to
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the fee mix va, where it all began. the president calling his veterans affairs secretary to the oval office and promising veterans anyone cooking the books to hide long visits to see a va doctor will be punished. >> i want every veteran to know we're going to fix whatever is wrong. i'm going to keep on fighting to deliver the care and the benefits and the opportunities that your families deserve. >> reporter: it's a scandal that has traction across political parties and tv channels. >> a real scandal! jimmy, drop 'em! woo! >> reporter: whistle-blowers coming forward to expose secret lists that hid long waits to see a doctor. people actually died because of the delay? >> because of the delay in getting care. >> reporter: troy burmish was a scheduler in phoenix, ordered by hospital supervisors, he says, to hide the real wait times, months long, on handwritten, untraceable lists. the bosses in washington
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couldn't tell? >> yes. no, there's no way. >> reporter: they were looking at a computer screen that told them what? >> less than two weeks, which is not even close. >> reporter: veterans like thomas breen dying of painful cancer while waiting nearly a year to see a doctor. >> he was delayed care completely and on that secret list because i have proof. >> reporter: the va secretary shinseki ending the week visiting the capitol hill saying he won't quit, despite a wave of calls for him to resign, finally issuing this statement, "the scandal is of great personal concern to me." and if true, we will act. >> we'll talk more about that on the roundtable. now the crisis in ukraine, where they're voting for a new president this morning, in the midst of what vladimir putin calls a civil war, russian troops are still on the border and there are real fears about what happens next. abc's alex marquadt is on the ground with the latest. alex?
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>> reporter: good morning, martha. this is a momentous vote for ukraine. one full of hope for these long lines of voters who want to elect someone who can end the chaos and reunite this country. there has been a strong turnout here in the capital kiev. but in the violent eastern part of the country, where the ukrainian military is trying to put down a pro-russian insurgent, the vast majority of polling stations have been shut down. election officials scared and threatened by pro-russian separatists. this is the first round of this election, which is expected to be won by pro-western billionaire petro poroshenko, also known as the chak lot kioc king, for the candy empire that he runs. of course, also looming large over this vote is russian president vladimir putin, who says a civil war is already raging in the ukraine but is showing signs of softening his stance saying he will work with ukraine's next president. martha? >> our thanks to alex in ukraine. now, new warnings over cyber security and the growing cyber war between the u.s. and china.
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u.s. officials charging members of a shadowy unit in the chinese military, accusing its agents of stealing trade secrets from american companies. pierre thomas is back with the dramatic details. >> reporter: the fbi claims the scale of china's theft of u.s. company research, design and marketing strategy has reached a point that something had to be done. >> the amount of theft that's going on is simply staggering. >> reporter: so, for the first time ever, the justice department prosecutors charged the chinese military for hacking into u.s. companies, stealing extraordinary amounts of trade secrets, of state spooned espionage, costing americans jobs. >> it's going to make a big difference in the competitive landscape. american companies won't exist any more in some fields. >> reporter: richard baker was part of the security firm that helped uncover the alleged chinese hacking. >> last year alone 3,000 companies received u.s.
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notification they received a significant breach, most attributed to the chinese. >> reporter: in other words, we spend billions and billions of dollars developing products to sell and then they take those secrets and therefore they don't have to spend the money? >> that's exactly right. we're at a really vulnerable point here. >> reporter: case in point, five chinese military officials allegedly part of specialized military unit known as 61398 were charged this week with targeting u.s. companies. the chinese government called the charges bogus, fabricated. do you have the goods? >> we would prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of 12 who would agree unanimously that this conduct was done by these five guys. >> reporter: it's a delicate line for the u.s. after edward snowden revealed that the u.s. engaged in its own spying against our own allies. some critics of the what the u.s. government did on monday in charging these military officials would say, look at what the nsa is doing. we're spying all the time. isn't this hypocrisy? we're spying]ll the time. companies in order to take their trade secrets and then pass them to american companies.
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>> we are aware of no nation in the world that publicly states that theft of information for commercial gain is acceptable. >> reporter: the stakes could not be higher, and with these charges, the u.s. entered a new frontier, in a geopolitical fight with china for economic supremecy. for "this week," pierre thomas, abc news, washington. and joining us now former ambassador to china and gop presidential candidate governor jon huntsman and our abc news contributor steve ganyard. who is just back from asia. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> governor huntsman, i want to start with you. one of the things the commission found was, "the american response to date of hectoring governments and prosecuting individuals has been utterly inadequate to deal with the problem." so, what good does this indictment do? is the obama administration doing enough? >> well, it's been a problem for probably 40 years. which is to say the whole length of the u.s./china relationship
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formally. and it ratcheted up about eight years ago with the creation of this p.l.a. unit. >> the people's libation army. >> and the systemic development of indigenous innovation, which is to say picking winners locally in the chinese economy. so, we have a real problem today. we assessed theft of intellectual property as costing the united states roughly $300 billion per year. so that's everybody combined, i'd say china's probably 70% of that number. but what it does, martha, it gets to the heart and soul of innovation and trade secrets and the creation of new industries in america that we do better than anybody else. it's really hard to put a price tag on innovation. >> let me ask you again, are we doing enough? will this do any good? >> this is symbolic. you put five p.l.a. members in a most wanted poster, we're not going to make any headway on this until we target market access in this country. and to say, what is it that china wants more than anything
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else? they want access to our market, they want to go public on our stock exchange, they want access to our banks and our financial services. and at some point, we have to start getting serious about how we respond beyond just the symbolic measures, and while this will ratchet up the level of discussion, i don't it's going to do much to really stop the activity that's going on. >> steve, you heard in pierre's piece and you know this well, edward snowden revealed that the u.s. of course was spying on china and cyberspying. so, what's the difference between what the u.s. is doing and what china is doing? >> right. so what the administration tried to do this week is make a moral and legal distinction between what we do in terms of spy for national security and what the chinese do, which is spy for national security and for profit. so there's a big difference between stealing intellectual property and protecting your country. we're about the only country in the world that feels this way. you saw secretary gates this week confirmed the open secret that the french government has been stealing directly from u.s.
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industry for decades. so this is really a view that's held only by the u.s., but as the governor said, it costs us hundreds of thousands of jobs per year. >> how do the chinese retaliate or will they retaliate? and when do we call this is an act of war? >> well, the laws of physics apply in the u.s./china relationship. for every action there's a reaction. i fully expect there will be a reaction by the chinese to what we have done. it probably will cost us a whole lot more than it's costing them, is what is sat about this whole thing, the symbolic gesture. we need to be very fastidious in identifying country to country espionage. we don't do a very good job of differentiating those two. but we've got to keep them in different silos. we take the espionage part and sit it over here. we'll figure out the red lines between our countries and if you cross them you have a certain penalty to pay. but, in the meantime, let's work on this serious economic issue
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which is theft of intellectual property rights. and begin to determine the price people will pay. >> but the government can really only do so much to protect private industry, so we get cyber mercenaries, steve, what happens now for these companies to actually try to protect themselves? >> that's right. there are real limits to what the u.s. government can do. you know, some of the responsibility has to go back to u.s. private industry. they parked the ferrari in a bad area overnight and left the keys in the car and are shocked to find out the ferrari is gone in the morning. the real fight here is between private industry, those who would steal, whether it's transnational groups, countries that would steal from them, but there's no marine corps in cyberspace. there has to be a deliberate effort and whatever you want to call it, active defense, you want to call it hacking back. we're only about to hit the cusp of where private companies are going to have to hack back. >> thanks to both of you. something we have to keep our eye on. up next -- the nfl under fire, accused of secretly dishing out powerful painkillers to keep players on the field.
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...with our best-ever pricing for business. now, our "closer look," a now, our "closer look," a shocking lawsuit against the nfl. former players alleging a stunning deception by the league, team doctors, prescribing powerful painkillers without disclosing the consequences. all to keep injured players out on the field. our experts are here to weigh in, "usa today" columnist christine brennan and former nfl player, espn's mark schlereth.
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mark, i want to start with you, you played 12 seasons in the nfl, 29 surgeries, what was your experience with how the team handled painkillers? >> well, first and foremost, i take personal responsibility for everything that i put into my body and the teams that i played for, both in washington and denver, i had a great relationship with my athletic trainers and also with my doctors and i knew the consequences of what i was putting in my body. they made those things aware to me. there was also restrictions. could you get pain pills? could you get it if you were injured? certainly. could you have a toridol shot? certainly. but those consequences of those drugs were made very apparent to me and there was a gatekeeper aspect to those doctors that said you could only have this if you're injured and you could only have this for a certain amount of time. we're going to limit your access to those things. so, i will tell you this -- from a player's standpoint, i
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have never been around a player that didn't put more pressure on himself to play injured than the team did, and certainly there's to have a ton of pressure but -- go ahead. >> that's certainly the culture of the team and players do know the risks. but you yourself have seen examples, you talked about the vicious hit that matt schaub of the houston texans took, the doctor says he did a concussion test and he's back in the next series. >> right. >> you have seen this again and again this kind of thing. >> certainly, and there's a conflict of interest. i don't think it's a mandate from the nfl for team doctors and teams to deceive their players, but i certainly think that's a team-by-team basis, and in that particular hit from the doctors i have spoken to, it is absolutely impossible to conduct a thorough investigation or a thorough concussion test while a guy is faced down on a football field.
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so, those things are league issues and they need to be addressed. so there is a certain conflict of interest that goes on to, are you protecting players or are you protecting the team's best interests? >> which is exactly what i wanted to ask christine. what do you think there? what do you make of these allegations? >> martha, these allegations ring true. i think what we're hearing from mark is an exemplary story. mark had a great experience in the nfl. obviously, what we're hearing from the plaintiffs is that they did not. as i said, it rings true. i have covered the nfl since the '80s. i don't anything per se. i don't know for sure. but i do know this. that the team in washington especially would keep injury information from the reporters. i would have to call a player in a hospital room in one case to find out what was wrong with him. is that wrong? we don't know. but mark is telling us a good story of his personal experience, and that's wonderful, but i think we have to listen to this, and with the concussion story and the concussion lawsuit, martha, and
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now this -- this is bad news for the national football league. >> i want to switch gears and move to the redskins. 50 senators signed on to a letter calling on the washington redskins to change the name of the team. let me get a quick reaction from both of you. christine, i think i know what you're going to say. does this make a difference? >> this is big news. it sure does. it's big news. the news is continuing, there's a kind of cumulative effect here, and i think this is a name that will change in the next few years. it's going to have to, because public opinion is continue to grow against the washington nfl team nickname. >> mark, quickly from you, is it time to change the name? >> yes, it is time to change the name. there's no question, if you name it's a pejorative term and it needs to change. you would never go into a conference of native american people and walk up in front of them and refer to them as r redskins. it's a derogatory term.
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its origin and it's time to be a leader from the standpoint of the nfl. high schools across america have changed their names. the ncaa has implemented a policy to change those names. why has the nfl shuffled its feet on this? i don't know. but it's time to change. >> thank you very much. thanks for all your insight on all of this. up next -- the president talking tough on the va scandal. but is there enough action? plus, joint chiefs chairman martin dempsey weighs in, but first the powerhouse roundtable's "big winners" of the week. "big winners" of the week. alaska. they think salmon and internet. jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. shipping andmanufacturing. across the united states. >> people in other parts go to work. not a coincidence.
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first, mike hondfused all deb. now honda's slinging mud, launching false attacks. isn't it time to put the old politics aside?
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the chronicle endorses ro khanna, saying he "offers an upgrade in congress for silicon valley." and the mercury news says, "ro khanna is ready for the congress of tomorrow... ...while honda is a politician of the past." for our future: ro khanna. khanna: i'm ro khanna and i approve this message. and now, martha's pick. the residents of moore, okma. and now, martha's pick. the residents of moore, oklahoma. no veteran should have to fill out a 23-page claim to get care or wait months, even years, to get an appointment at the va. any misconduct, whether it's allegations of va staff covering up long wait times or cooking the books, i will not stand for it. >> president obama, then and
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now, talking about problems at the va. let's bring in the roundtable, former senior white house adviser david plouffe, republican strategist ana navarro, gop pollster and daily beast contributor kristen anderson, and abc's matthew dowd. welcome to everybody. matt, i want to start with you, i know this is personal for you, your two brothers and your son are veterans. did the president handle this correctly? >> well, i thought throughout this there's a quote by d dostoevsky that says, the degree of civilization in our society can be judged by entering our prisons. i think i would like to update that the degree of civilization in our society should be how we deal with veterans. and the folks who come back from injuries from war and all of this. i think the president -- i think he has good intentions. i think his intentions have been good. i think he's done some improvements in all of this. but the way veterans are treated today in this country is unconscionable. if you think about it, the unemployment rate is higher than the national average among veterans, that we have a health
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care problem obviously in the course of this investigation, and now, we also have homeless. the number of veterans, the thousands of veterans that are homeless in this country. i think if you look at this and take a broad perspective on this, you take a look at this first, the number one thing is, is we've got to quit fighting long wars that seem without end. that's what's driving a huge part of this problem we have here. we have been in a war longer than ten years, it's driving this problem. the other thing is, there are some things that the government doesn't do well and efficiently. one of those things, as we have learned over the last 30, 40 years, the va system has never been efficient. and never been fully effective. >> that goes back a very long way, but let's talk about how the president has handled this. it took him almost four weeks to come out and say anything really about this. why and was that the wrong thing to do? >> no, i don't think so. i think members of the administration have spoke to this. i want to pick up on something that matt said, there have been a lot of improvements. i mean, the president talked about this a lot in '08. i was on the campaign trail with him. if you look at the effort with the private sector to hire veterans -- >> they keep talking about those
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improvements. >> that's at whole story. >> it's not the whole story. there are 40 people who allegedly died during waiting for care. the president the other day said he didn't know whether there was a link between that. the ig said maybe not. should the president have been out there sooner? >> i don't think so. i think what's important now, because the whole story is important, if it you look at the satisfaction of veterans of the va, it's high, ranked in most - most --? >> once they get in there. >> in a lot of places they are. we have to look at what happened in phoenix if there are other places that this is happening. there's going to be a thorough investigation. do you have confidence in the leadership? the fix is going forward. matthew raises other broad points. one of the great things to see our private sector step up, they have hired almost 1 million veterans. this is what we need to do in this country. >> ana, should shinseki resign?m >> i think shinseki should resign or be fired. i think one of the problems that president owe pa ma has of this is that there doesn't seem to be any urgency and any action
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that's being immediately taken, and people are frustrated. this is not a scandal that involves political conspiracy, this is a scandal that touches all of us. you're seeing democrats coming out and calling for shinseki's resignation. you're seeing democrats come out and be critical. it's a difficult political problem for the president, because he was a member of the veterans affairs committee in the senate, because he made it a big focus of the 2008 campaign. he knew there were problems, and when you take a look at it, it's a problem of incompetence, it's a problem of being asleep at the wheel. it's a problem of lack of leadership and governance. so yes, it's a big problem that falls right on his lap. >> let me go to you. >> i think this can't be where the president has words. i think there needs to be actions. and in this case, this isn't just -- you know, it's a favorite washington game, something goes wrong and someone's head has to roll in order to make it right. but this is a sort of structural problem within the va. people believe making secret wait lists is okay and is the right thing to do.
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i mean, structurally, what reforms can you make to the va? to ensure that this happens again, and i think that goes far beyond a musical chairs of personnel in washington. >> john÷ú boehner floated the ia of privatizing the va. is that an option do you think? >> i think what they have to do is they have to have some better hybrid thing. obviously veterans, there's specific injuries and the reason why the va was created, there's specific injuries that can only be dealt with specifically by certain types of health care. there should be a hybrid system where veterans don't have to wait in line. my older brother who was in the coast guard for 22 years, he actually likes the service he gets when he goes to the va. >> which is what i have had saying to david. >> the problem is he has to wait too long to get in. >> there was a very interesting piece in "the new york times" yesterday by the whistle-blower in this case, sam foote, a doctor that worked at the va for 24 years. that's precisely what he's recommending, a hybrid type of system, and that's who i would like, by the way, to be involved in an investigation of the va,
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the guy who has been writing letters. not the same va itself. >> first of all, the va is using data and technology. they could clearly use more. there ought be be a dashboard so you could see everything through the whole system.v: but, listen, i think -- most people would agree the va needs more funding. this republican congress won't fund that. they'll fund tax breaks for oil companies. they won't fund our veterans. >> this seems a problem -- >> david, you know it's a political problem when you lost charlie crist, that guy doesn't read anything other than polls. >> okay, thanks to you all. but before we go to our break, our powerhouse puzzler. check out one of our favorite moments this week from george's "gma" interview this week with angelina jolie. >> back in 2005 you spent a day in washington, i asked you then, would you ever think about going into politics. you said no, no, i have way too many skeletons. >> i wonder if i know my skeletons are out. they're probably all out. i don't know if i have any left. >> you know, it's almost ten years, could you reconsider now? >> you know, if i thought i would be effective i would.
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for 5 1/2 years the powers for 5 1/2 years the powers that be in washington have treated the people of this state with contempt. and tonight, i have a simple days are numbered. >> yeah, oh, you're going to get it, washington powers that be! i feel sorry for whatever jerk has represented kentucky for these past 30 years. if mitch mcconnell catches a sight of that guy in, say a mirror, it's on. >> stephen colbert having some we are back with the roundtable, and ana, i want to start with you, and read you one of your [páeu miami mare results.x2l matthew dowd tweeted this week the oakland a's lost the world series but changed the game with moneyball. tea party might have lost some
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elections but have changed the gop. would you agree with that? did they change the gop? >> of course, you lose me completely with baseball metaphors. i think it has been a painful growing process. but i think this has been a very good week for the republican party, because we are bringing candidates out of the primaries that are actually electable. to have a much tougher time beatcf> okay, matt, explain your tweet, the baseball metaphor for some people. >> the metaphor is, basically, you can win by losing. the oakland a's ended up losing the championship series but actually ended up winning because most people in baseball adopted it, and i think the tea party, the gop in general, has moved more to the right and has adopted the principles. there's really not much different anymore between tea party people and the ,zzs
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exciting sort of tea party candidate who may become a rising star in the party. in ben fast. >> let's go to the house race everyone was watching this week and it was pennsylvania's 13th district, where chelsea clinton's mother-in-law ran and lost despite the help of hillary clinton. she even held a fund-raiser on
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her behalf. what happened there? and what does this tell us? >> i think they helped out due to family obligation. you have to help the mother in law. she represented that district 20 years ago. so, lots has changed. a strong democratic candidate. i don't think it says anything about clinton coattails. >> matt, i want you to talk about president obama tapping julian castro to lead the housing and urban development. >> okay, i don't understand why julian castro would do it. when you become a cabinet in the second half of the second term usually nothing good happens out of it. if you look at the va and we want a manager, i don't think you pick castro to manage the agency. when he doesn't even manage the city of san antonio. >> he did it because he's attend of the road in texas. i like julian castro a lot. both brothers are terrific. >> it's over the cliff. >> but he has nowhere to go in
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texas. he could go blue in the face waiting for it to turn blue to win statewide. >> okay. ana, i'm just going to have to throw my pen at you at some point. thanks all of you for joining us. up next, joint chiefs of staff martin dempsey. plus, on this memorial day weekend, an emotional reunion of one incredible band of brothers in our "sunday spotlight." heat shields are compromised. weare those thrusters burning? that's a negative. what's that alarm? fuel cell two is down. i'm going to have to guide her in manually.
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this memorial day weekend. in the spring of 2004 i met an extraordinary group of soldiers in iraq, involved in one of the most ferocious battles of the war, a platoon was ambushed, eight soldiers killed in a matter of hours and more than 60 wounded. at the time it was the largest loss of life for the 1st cavalry division since vietnam. nc of those soldiers and their deployments on multiple battlefields. but a few weeks ago, it was a different kind of meeting, a ten-year reunion at ft. hood, texas. a powerful and emotional weekend about brotherhood, bonds, and an unbreakable spirit. it was the day that would define them as a unit, as soldiers, as men. >> it's almost undescribable. >> it was probably the loudest thing i've ever heard.
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>> the fire came from the right-hand side of the street, and the left, and from the front and the rear. >> reporter: solders who had never been in battle. 19 pinned down in an alley. the rest of the battalion racing to rescue them. unprotected, exposed, facing masses of armed insurgents. >> we see the charlie company truck, just like the one we're riding in, rode down the road to us, four flat tires, engine on fire. with wounded. >> so many wounded, so many dead.ñ]d piles of bloody boots and body armor stacked outside the aide station. inside a young army doctor, david matthias, who until that day had treated only the ;#3s"ren of soldiers back home in texas. >> i'm aa pediatrician. it was shocking at first to see
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these battle wounds. the best word i can come up with is it was just like a tidal wave. >> a tidal wave that would continue for 15 months. by the end of their deployment, the 1st cavalry division had lost 16 soldiers. >> some guys have seen some things that no one ever wants to see. i understand now what it means when you go to a veterans' ceremony and you see the old veterans get together hug and cry. you never really understood it. i understood it now. >> reporter: and ten years later gary valeski understands it even better. >> and that's what this is all about. it's about a family -- not a unit, not a battle in a city. it's about a family. >> it doesn't really seem like ten years. >> it seems like a lifetime ago. and then you walk in here and it seems like yesterday.
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>> reporter: what do you remember most about that day? >> disbelief. >> i believe everything happens for a reason, right? there's nobody standing out here that's alone. you will never be alone, and that's just the way it is. it's a brothership. >> reporter: a brothership, a family that has grown and struggled but survived. on this hot texas night, they are, again, one. >> god, we come together as people who have been through the unthinkable. god, i just pray that our hearts always turn to those who aren't here. i pray for their families, that this would be a time of healing. in your name we pray, amen. >> reporter: how old was he? >> 25. >> reporter: angel's younger robert, robert arciaga was killed trying to rescue the platoon.
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his name, like the others, now etched on a granite memorial. it was where the soldiers gathered the second day. >> present. >> present! >> arms! [ playing "taps" ] >> ten years ago today, our hearts and lives changed forever. not only for those who lost someone but for those who returned home with memories they never asked for. >> reporter: never asked for and for some -- almost too much to bear. what does this mean to you? >> it's huge. this is what i needed. i needed this to kind of turn the next page, if you will. >> reporter: it's been hard doing that? >> yeah. yeah, it's been hard.> reporter: eric borquinn and# justin bellamy know the pain as well. they were in that alley together under withering fire.
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today, they are both fathers and students. is it hard seeing the guys who aren't doing so well? >> it does hurt because they're like our brothers. >> reporter: what would you say to them about how to get through it? >> get help. you can lie to everybody else but the guy you're looking at in the mirror, he knows you're hurting. after afghanistan, that's when i got to get help. i didn't want to be a mean dad or mean husband. i wanted to join my family. >> reporter: the young doctor, he practices medicine in wisconsin, he and his wife just adopted a child in china to add to the five they already have. but the pediatrician still thinks about that first night of trauma, a decade ago. you were broken up last night during your beautiful prayer. what was going through your mind right then? what happened to you? >> desperately wishing we could have brought everybody back. >> reporter: troy, you lost the first soldier on april 4th. >> sergeant chen.
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>> eddie chen was your guy. >> i paid many respects to him and begged for forgiveness. >> reporter: why do you say beg for forgiveness? >> it's family, right? you lose part of your family. i know in my head there's not anything i could have done to prevent that, it doesn't make it any less easy. >> reporter: and gary valeski, the wise and courageous young colonel, he is now a two-star general and headed off to command the famed 101st airborne division. but no other division, no soldiers will ever take the place of these heroes. that bond is forever. and those families are heroic as well. the officer who was a division commander that night ten years ago and knows well the horrors of that battle was then two-star general martin dempsey, now a four star and chairman of the joint chies of staff. on this memorial day weekend, and as we prepare to wind down the war in afghanistan, we went to the place that he visits almost every weekend, arlington
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national cemetery. >> there is a yates poem called "easter 1916." there's a couple of lines in the poem that always haunt me. "all has changed, changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born." this is a place of terrible beauty. isn't it? you know the sacrifices made, the suffering that still goes on with families. and that's just terrible. but there's something extraordinarily beautiful about this place. and that's what i think of that. >> reporter: there certainly is. what does this memorial day mean to you? >> in a couple of weeks we'll celebrate the 70th anniversary the normandy landing. 25,000 lost in one day, but what it remind me of is that history will repeat itself on the issue of conflict. the issues that are beginning to be resolved are not ending. we're going to have a challenge with extremism in the unsettled and ungoverned spaces that run from afghanistan to nigeria for
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a very long time. >> reporter: i would be remiss if i did not ask you about the current problems in the veterans administration. >> um-hum. well, it is outrageous. if the allegations actually are documented and proven. i suspect some of them will be. they got to be held accountable. i think that rick shinseki has made it clear they will be held accountable. >> reporter: including him? >> yeah, of course. at some point the chief executive, the chairman, whoever it is, has to take responsibility for the entire organization and his performance. >> reporter: tell me what you would like americans to think about this memorial day. >> these are all americans, you walk around, you're going to find people from every state in the union and every ethnicity. we're incredibly diverse men and women. we're celebrating the sacrificed of them, but them are us. and we've got to remember that.
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>> and now, we honor, again, our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. this week, the pentagon released the name of one soldier killed supporting operations in afghanistan. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight. and on this memorial day nñ weekend, we leave you back at arlington national cemetery, please remember and reflect. we'll see you next week.
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teacher layoffs. and a 60 billion dollar budget deficit. that's what john perez faced when he be speaker of the california assembly. so he partnered with governor brown to pass three balanced budgets, on time. for the first time in thirty years. today, the deficits are gone and we've invested an additional 2 billion dollars in education. now john perez is running for controller, to keep fighting for balanced budgets. democrat john perez for controller.
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