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>> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. >> massacre in pittsburgh. at least 11 dead, many more injured after a gunman opens fire in a synagogue. >> it's a very horrific crime scene. it's one of the worst i've seen. >> the worst attack on american jews in the history of our country. the third mass shooting in a house of worship in the past three years. martha raddatz live on the scene. >> this is a community in mourning after that horrific attack at the synagogue just behind me. >> the shooting comes one day after this man arrested for targeting president trump's critics with potentially deadly explosives. almost a dozen prominent democrats including barack obama and hillary clinton in the crosshairs.
are hate-filled politics now fueling political violence? does president trump share responsibility? can we stop the killing from spiraling out of control? and with just nine days until the mid-terms -- >> we are going to win, win, win. we're going to keep on winning. >> what is at stake is a politics that is decent and honest and lawful. >> how will this week's violence weigh on voters? inside analysis from our powerhouse round table. we'll break down the politics, smoke out the spin. the facts that matter "this week." >> announcer: from abc news it's "this week." here now chief anchor, george stephanopoulos. good morning. before every big election, we expect an october surprise. this year it's come. an explosion of violence and rage, a spate of domestic terror. on monday the first potential letter bomb found at the home of george soros. the billionaire activist has been a frequent target of president trump. by week's end more than a dozen more intercepted, apparently
constructed in this van plastered with partisan stickers by this man, a long-time criminal and staunch supporter of president trump. on wednesday an armed man tried to enter the predominantly black first baptist church in jefferson town, kentucky. unable to break in he walked into a kroger's shooting two black victims to death, passing right by a white man in the parking lot, saying whites don't kill whites. then came saturday the tree of life synagogue shattered by semi-automatic gunfire and the chilling scream, all jews must die. our hearts ache for the victims as we absorb the shock. how surprised should we be? this is at least the fourth mass killing in america using an ar-15 since the las vegas massacre just over a year ago. this is the third mass shooting in a house of worship in the last three years. across social media hate speech and anti-semitism are rampant and on the rise. all against the backdrop of the
ugliest political climate in modern times. at the center an unapologetic incendiary president. we will do our best to make sense of it all this morning. we begin in pittsburgh, now the site of the single worst attack against jews in american history. my "this week" co-anchor martha raddatz there. good morning, martha. >> good morning, george. this was a horrific scene. you see the synagogue behind me. we're in front of a home where snipers positioned themselves on the second floor to do what they could to stop the gunman. ♪ >> reporter: overnight the squirrel hill community coming together in mourning. >> you can't put it into words. it's just terrible. >> reporter: an outpouring of grief. ♪ >> reporter: and shock. >> you hear about anti-semitism. you think it's something that
happened in history or other places. this is squirrel hill. i didn't think of it as something that was affecting me. >> reporter: close-knit squirrel hill, the real life mr. rogers neighborhood, home to several synagogues and an active jewish community shaken to its core. the horrific scene unfolded at the tree of life synagogue as kong gants observed the sabbath. >> the scene is very bad inside. there are multiple fatalities. >> reporter: 11 people killed, many more wounded including police officers injured at the scene. s.w.a.t. operators engaging in a gun battle with the shooter. nearby residents warns not to leave their homes.
kim harden's home is just across the street from the synagogue. >> by the time i rallied my kids and got them down to get them in the basement, the police were already starting to arrive. there were four, five, six police cars. they were jumping out of their cars with their weapons drawn. so i knew something was really wrong. probably five minutes after that we had the s.w.a.t. banging on our back door trying to get in to use the second floor for the snipers. >> reporter: zachary weis' father was among those in the temple that morning. >> my dad was in the steps and at this angle, he could see casings. that meant that more shots had been fired coming within his proximity. he did not see the shooter. he was far away enough that the shooter did not recognize him, but he could see the bullets. >> reporter: 46-year-old gunman robert bowers has a history of
making anti-semitic statements, reportedly posting on social media just before the shooting, i can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics. i'm going in. while in custody he told officers he wanted all jews to die. bowers is facing federal and state charges including hate crimes. >> what do you say to comfort people at a time like this as a rabbi? >> well, i think it's challenging. unfortunately i've had a lot of experience of dealing with death and different kinds of things, nothing quite like this. a hug goes a long way, just a shoulder to cry on, and to empathize with the people. >> reporter: rabbi chuck diamond who grew up in this community, says that may not be enough. >> we've got to do something. you've got to take action. as a rabbi, it's interesting to say, prayers aren't enough. >> reporter: the residents of squirrel hill still reeling from tragedy.
>> we're an accepting, diverse population in squirrel hill and we support each other. we are going to be stronger for this. we're going to support our jewish friends and we'll get through this and we'll teach our kids to move away from hate. >> reporter: it is a community trying to come together. let's bring in two members of the pittsburgh city council who represent this neighborhood, cory o'connor and erica strassburger. thank you for coming by this morning. we all feel so horrible about this and our prayers are with you. you had to know a lot of people in this neighborhood. >> yeah. it's scary when you look at the horrifying crimes that happen across the country and when it hits home and people that you grew up with.
going into that synagogue for an award ceremony, being there for a number of services for friends throughout the years it's really scary. >> when you first heard about it, your heart had to be beating and wondering who was inside. >> i was two blocks away with members of the community at a different event. the sadness and fear, it was heartbreaking with the people that i was with. i got on the scene as soon as i could to find out more. the hardest part is waiting to find out more. >> how does this community move forward? >> we've had events over the last couple days, mourning with each other, vigils to support families, as well as to honor the ones we lost. we are a very strong community. we're a close knit community. we're very diverse. we won't be afraid of this. we were out and about in the thousands last night. we'll be out and about today. squirrel hill is a community that bands together, not only squirrel hill, but the city of pittsburgh. there will be an outpouring of love and support for these residents over the next couple
weeks and the next couple months. >> there are about 50,000 jewish residents of pittsburgh. even more than half of them live in this community. how do you think you go forward in this community with the jewish community in particular and the pain they're feeling now. >> one incredible thing was even on scene yesterday we had an outpouring of support not just from the jewish community but from the muslim community, the islamic center of pittsburgh, the hispanic and latino community. our strength comes from our diversity. we'll have to continue that in the weeks and months to come and to demonstrate that anti-semitism has no place in today's world. certainly not in squirrel hill, certainly not in pittsburgh, we're better than that.
>> just this summer rabbi jeffrey meyers, the rabbi at tree of life, wrote a blog post about school shootings. he was bemoaning elected officials waiting out the news cycle, warning, i feel that the status quo will remain unchanged. do you feel a responsibility to change that status quo now? >> yes. we had the responsibility to change it 15, 10 years ago. now that it his us at home in pittsburgh, in this neighborhood, the city of pittsburgh will stand up to this. not only will we but we need partners in other major u.s. cities to stand up to this as well. if we can't get the help and support from our state and federal levels, cities will have to take it head on. we're not afraid to do that. >> what exactly do you want to do? tragically, we hear these shootings so often. what can be different? >> something has to be different. that's all i can say. something has to be different. we should have taken action
years ago when it comes to, you know, sensible gun control. although we're limited in the city of pittsburgh, we'll do our best to make something happen and work with our partners at the state level and those who we can at the federal level. >> president trump in his first public remarks -- i'm sure you heard yesterday at the shooting at joint base andrews -- suggested an option that might help is having armed guards in places of worship. let's listen. >> this is a case where if they had an armed guard inside they might have been able to stop him immediately. this would be a case for, if there was an armed guard inside the temple, they would have been able to stop him. maybe nobody would have been killed except for him. >> would that have helped? >> if that's what the president wants to see, that's not my neighborhood. that's not squirrel hill. i live -- i grew up 15 blocks from here. my mom leaves her door open at all times.
that's not the community we want. we don't want people having armed guards at every door you walk into. it's not that type of neighborhood. the main business district is a block away. that's not what we're looking to do in this city. you know, unfortunately, events like this happen. we're lucky our law enforcement officers were here to save more lives. that's not the type of community we want to live in. >> do you think it might have saved lives, an armed guard? >> it could have saved lives. if you think about it, though, yesterday it was a synagogue. it might be at a school. the next time it could be at a grocery store or a public market. where do we stop with arming our entire society and feeling as if we can't be safe anywhere? i just don't see that as the answer. certainly, you know, the jewish community throughout pittsburgh and the synagogues throughout pittsburgh will have to make their own decisions as to what they need to do to feel safe.
the flies in the face of the open doors mentality in this synagogue and all across pittsburgh. >> i thank you both for coming out with us this morning. our prayers are with you. >> thank you. >> thank you. for more on extremism in america let's turn to former homeland security secretary jay johnson and anti-defamation league ceo jonathan greenblatt. let me sta with you, mr. greenblatt. you said this is likely the deadliest attack on a jewish community in american history. yet, anti-semitic rhetoric and attacks have been on the rise. put this in context, and how shocked were you by this? >> i was horrified and everyone in my organization, the country was horrified by what happened yesterday. in some ways we weren't necessarily surprised. at the adl we're on the front lines of fighting hate for over 100 years and tracking anti-semitic incidents for four
decades. what i can tell you is in 2016 we saw a 34% increase in acts of harassment, vandalism, violence against the jewish community. last year a 57% increase, the single largest surge that we've ever seen in anti-semitic acts in the united states. this event that happened yesterday, this terrible tragedy -- and our hearts break, they break for the families and the victims and the community. let me tell, you, we should not look away when anti-semitism is on the rise. we need to act. >> secretary johnson, the adl showed a marked increase in online attacks against the jewish community as we get closer to election day. when you look at those statistics and hear what mr. greenblatt just said, what is your sense of what's happening in the country?
>> first, martha, all americans should mourn with the families of the 11 killed who were members of the tree of life synagogue and with the jewish community generally. martin luther king used to say that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. an attack against one is an attack against us all. as i think jonathan alluded to, we live now in a very, very toxic environment that includes an incivility in our political discourse among our leaders. the attack yesterday and the attempted pipe bombings over the course of last week shou be a wake-up call from all americans to demand change. change has to start from the top. we're in an environment where deranged individuals feel that it's their place to bring about change in our society with an ar-15 or series of pipe bombs. americans really do listen to their leaders, including our
president. our president has the largest microphone. he has the largest bull horn. this particular president has a particularly large voice and a large microphone. americans should demand that their leaders insist on change, a more civil discourse and a more civil environment generally. >> mr. greenblatt, i want to ask the same question of you. were you comforted by the president's remarks yesterday and his repeated condemnation of anti-semitism? >> it's important that our leaders lead, as secretary johnson said. i was encouraged that the president said something yesterday. the country needed to hear that. it isn't what you say after the tragedy that only matters. it's the environment you create with your rhetoric. at adl we have spoken out when candidate trump or president has invoked anti-semitic memes
and used the kind of rhetoric favored by white supremacists. we also need to keep in mind -- and we'll keep doing that. we'll keep speaking truth to power. it's more than what one man does. whether you're an elected official meeting with nazi sympathizers or bringing holocaust denies to the house of representatives, or if you're a candidate for office invoking wild anti-semitic conspiracy theories about jewish financers like george sorrows manipulating world events, or if you're a religious leader referring to jews as termites, all of this is absolutely unacceptable. we cannot create a situation to normalize anti-semitism and think this is somehow just the average daily course of business. it's abnormal and needs to be interrupted and stopped. >> jay -- jeh johnson, i want to
go back to the suspect, the accused shooter. he was prolific on social media especially an online community called gab which allegedly has attracted a number of far right users. he reportedly wrote i can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics. i'm going in. who monitors sites like this? is there enough oversight? where is the line drawn there? >> that's a good question. i think first and foremost social media providers, internation internet service providers have to monitor the content on their platforms for threats of violence, for this type of hate. i don't believe that the government, particularly the security agencies of our government, should be in the business of limiting or editing speech or political debate or political content. there is a line crossed from
debate, robust debate, to hate, inciting violence and threatening acts of violence. i know that internet service providers, social media providers have made great strides to take down truly hateful speech. they've got to keep at this. they've got to keep on it. this cuts across religion, race, demographic, nationality. it's no coincidence that the individual who used to work for me at dhs responsible for countering violent extremism now works for jonathan at adl. it's incumbent upon all of us to be thing, to demand change among our leaders and the discourse they foster and bring about in the run up to the midterm. >> at the adl we monitor this online hate and harassment. we opened a center for technology and society in the heart of silicon valley last year. we're working directly with google, twitter and facebook and
microsoft, but the companies need to do more. as a fierce advocate for the first amendment, we need to recognize that freedom of speech is not the freedom to slander and the freedom of assembly is not the freedom to incite violence. whether it's gab or any other platform, those who peddle hate and seek to spread harm, we need to take steps to shut that down. >> thanks to both of you for all your comments this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. joining me now is former fbi agent and abc news contributor brad garrett here in pittsburgh. brad, we've got a crime scene behind us. they're still investigating this. you took a look at the affidavit and with the details of what went on inside of there with that shooter.
>> keep in mind since columbine police have changed their tactics. instead of waiting, you go right to the shooter. let's face it, these shootings take less than five minutes typically. that's exactly what the pittsburgh police did. they engaged the shooter that went into the third floor of the building. he now gets into a gun fight with police. several officers get shot. he gets shot. but they stop him. the key is because they went in when they did, it saved lives. >> we had snipers right in this house where we're set up in the front yard upstairs in case they couldn't get him inside. what do we know about this suspect? is there anything -- you've seen these kinds of things so many times. is there anything atypical about him? >> no, from the standpoint that they're obviously full of anger and rage. the important thing is people like this gentleman are looking for an excuse to act. did he use the serial bomber we just went through as a
motivator? i don't know. but their anger and rage builds up and it's all about power, martha. they feel powerless and feel like people are overtaking their lives. it becomes anger. they vent that in a hateful way. that's why he did this. >> you saw the online postings supposedly by him. is he more radicalized online? is it the atmosphere in the country right now? what do you see there? >> it's a combination of we're angry. we're intolerant, and that's getting promoted in certain venues around this country. the problem is that people like this will hook on to it. they're looking for something to justify their behavior. if they can take on a situation like this location and start to kill people, it's like they released it. i'm taking charge and getting rid of people that shouldn't be here. it's about dehumanizing individuals. >> should he have been on the law enforcement radars? could he have been? would they have known? >> the problem with that is
versions of him are in the hundreds of thousands across the country. until you have information about somebody actually launching or building an attack online or talking to somebody or through an informant, what can you really do? what he's saying online, the first amendment is going to protect him. >> with the mail bomber as well, right? there were threats of some sort? he was driving around in a van with targets on peoples' faces. nothing you can do about it? >> of course and he was convicted in the past of threatening people. you could see his progression. i guarantee you this gentleman, you'll see his progression. >> thanks very much for joining us this morning, brad. let's go back to george in the studio. >> thank you, martha. we'll be back with you later in the program. up next the round table. how much of this violence is being sparked by our political climate and what will it mean for the midterms? we'll be right back.
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maybe it could have been a very much different situation. the world is a violent world. you think when you're over it, it goes away. then it comes back in the form of a madman, a wacko. i think they should stiffen up laws and i think they should very much bring the death penalty in. they should pay the ultimate price. >> president trump's first reaction to the shooting at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh yesterday. we'll talk about this in our round table. we're joined by matthew dowd, mary jordan, riehan salman, former homeland security advise tom bosser and donna brazile.
matt, i said we shouldn't have been surprised by this. were they inevitable? >> much of it has been predictable. path to the dark side is fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering. we're at a moment in time where we have to speak clearly and calmly in the times we're in. i think our leaders and i would put specific responsibility on the president, he has an obligation to rid us of much of this tribalism. i think what he's done over over the course of the last few year is help foment this. he's not responsible for what happened in pittsburgh or the bombs that were sent or the super market. all of those have a commonality. a white national supremacist shot two blacks at a super market. a white national supremacist
sent 17 ieds across the country to democratic leaders. a white national supremacist killed 11 jewish people at a synagogue in pittsburgh. in the course of that i think the president has not allocated resources to deal with it in the right way and has not spoken in the right way that diminished hate. >> tom, you worked as homeland security adviser. >> i'm sad to hear it all. even this morning, the lead in to this was the focus on the president's comment instead of the quote i was hoping to see which is the quote of anti-semitism. >> wait a second. that was his first response. that was his instinctive response to what happened. >> no. >> what he then said in the speech is what was scripted? >> that's not accurate. he has control of what's scripted. >> you're saying that wasn't accurate.
>> it wasn't his first response. it was a question thrown to him about gun control. the question was already political. the reports were asking what is your stance on gun control after this issue. his response to the american people is there's no room for anti-semitism. that's what i want to promote today. >> tom, when the child has an absent parent, the other parent steps up. when the country is going through a lot of pain and strive, you look for the president to be the parent figure. yesterday, i think, at that moment he was not the parent we needed. he was not the person that could heal us and talk about the pain. he runs away from his responsibility as a leader. we're leaders. we all have voices. his voice is the loudest at a moment like this. a moment when our leaders, our former presidents, regardless of their party, they were elected by the american people. their lives were stake.
the lives of our attorney general, the lives of members of congress, the lives of regular people. >> people in the media. >> people at this table. >> when you're talking to voters because we're days away from an important election. what they say is the country is in need of repair and they want a repairman or repairwoman to fix this. oy -- i think the 2020 election will be on this point. >> people say that. but do they vote to back up what they say? >> it depends who we're giving them. this is one of the key questions for 2020 is who are the democrats going to give? right now we're still in two camps. right now it's about getting the vote out for this side or this side. this whole election is about trump. are you with him or against him? we'll see about how the turn out is. >> one thing i feel compelled to say is that you had brave women and men, police officers who
intervened in squirrel hill. folks stopped that shooter in louisville, kentucky. people are putting themselves in grave danger. these are women and men who have different political beliefs. some of them are republicans. some of them are democrats. some support the president. others absolutely do not. yet they were able to come together to work effectively. one dynamic you see is that we tend to invest a lot in our politicians. we identify with them. the problem is then that you have these distinctions getting blurred. you have people who exploit a certain climate. people who are hateful dangerous people. this gentleman sent bombs and threatened florida power and light in 2002 with an attack. you have these people who have a pre-existing narrative. they'll cook up this hatred and connect it to other things. there are other americans who support this or that political cause who feel as though, wait a second, are you trying to silence me when i have a concern
about this or that issue? that further deepens the political divide. that further pits us one against another. it's important to remember again these public servants, these ordinary decent people come in many different shapes, sizes and colors and political affiliations. >> that's something we learn again and again. it gets back to the question, what responsibility do politicians have to that. >> this is not a both sides moment. anybody that acts like this is a both sides moment, the president has a special responsibility at times like this. the country as a whole is not as tribalized as washington is. it doesn't view politics the same as the president does. it doesn't access those levels of hate and discourse that the president does. the president has a special responsibility. i'm not michael angelo. i can paint by number. when you string together the president's actions and words, and you string together all
those things he's done, let's not forget that what happened in pittsburgh was because -- this man was radicalized because of the language of the hebrew immigrant aid society. he was mad that refugees and immigrants were given what he considered special privileges. >> he referenced the caravan. >> let's also not forget within this week the president proudly claimed himself a nationalist and proudly castigated the immigrants that are walking miles and miles. as he does that, not all americans, most are good people, the president in my view has to come to terms with this and his own responsibility and where we are as a country today. >> matt, there is so much to agree with in what you said. we should not lose sight of the fact that this awful villain is someone that accused the president of being part of a jewish conspiracy.
he is someone who sees the president as a globalist who is seeking to destroy the country. this is someone who is a noxious poisonous person who believed ideas that did not begin with one president or another. anti-semitism is a dangerous threat in nations around the world. >> hold on a second. >> why has it risen dramatically in the past two years? the reason he castigated the president is because he didn't think the president hated enough. he didn't think the president was anti immigrant enough. >> absolutely and the fact that you have jewish members of his administration who are central to his larger political project. he was deeply suspicious. i don't think you can attribute this man's hatefulness solely to e political party. >> we should never do that. in 1958 a jewish synagogue --
>> they are. >> i'm not attributing it to him. i'm saying he's part of the problem. >> pretty close. >> i believe the leadership is lacking. i'm a daughter of the south. this is a moment for us. i mean, my parents and grandparents had to come home and comfort us knowing that we were in danger just because of what we looked like. a jewish synagogue was bombed in atlanta in 1958. four little black girls were murdered four years ago. when is this hate going to stop? there's been a rise in anti-semitism and racist violent rhetoric in our country. i don't blame the president alone. i blame all of us. we have to tone this down and take responsibility for each other. come together because our children -- what are we going to tell our children? >> i couldn't agree with you more. one of the most dangerous things i'm hearing is people are saying i'm more disillusioned, not because of trump, he can lie. he can spin conspiracy theories.
he's one guy. he's always done that. i'm more disillusioned because so many people are listening to him. he's going to leave office and people that had trump signs in their yard are going to stay. the divide is dangerously wide. when i look at my neighbors, now i think they're anti me. this is why the attacks are so dangerous. >> the attacks on the media has worked. the president has at least two years left in office. tom, what does he do now? what does he do in this moment? >> one of the things that troubles me about this is it furthers what everybody thought of him. if you thought kindly of him, or gave him an open mind, you brought that to the table. if you didn't, you don't. that's in fairness to all of you. there's some commonality at this table. this shocks all of us. it shocks the president. i know him. you don't watch this and you're not moved. he's moved by the humanity of this. i went to the university of
pittsburgh. i know squirrel hill well. these are goodeople. i'll until -- i'll tell you what i think. i think it's a simplistic response to let's just blame trump. donna is right. this has been going for a long time. to have a conversation about stopping hate and empowering our law enforcement with something other than guns -- which they used admirably. i'm proud -- i hate to say it -- of the tactical response that we saw. it's the reality of our world. as homeland security adviser, we'll see more on that. i don't think the president is going to be able to sustain this level of rhetoric. he's going to make his case on the border. >> for example he spoke last night in illinois. you're going to be happy because he's going to announce these emergency actions on tuesday to close the border. should the president keep the focus on the caravan in the wake of what we saw yesterday? >> you can't stop pointing out
the facts that there's an increased problem at the border. at this point facts just like mr. greenblatt espoused today. it's not him trying to incite anything. >> he called it a national emergency. >> mr. greenblatt? >> the president. >> he made people think they're right on the texas border. they're a thousand miles away. >> and there's isis. >> it's fear mongering. >> if you don't allow -- >> he's used this for politics. >> he's trying to use it to change policy. >> it's all politics. >> tom, you know the facts as well as anybody. >> yeah. >> the facts are there's more of a danger in this country today from violence committed by white supremacists than radical islams. >> yeah. >> there's more crime committed
by white supremacists than people sitting in a caravan. but what does the president do? we're not allocating resources to deal with that. >> forgive me. >> we're sending 800 soldiers -- >> if you look at the european migrant crisis, it was desperate people fleeing syria and iraq. then there were folks from mo rock ka and pakistan and other points. when you have subtle shifts, you can get a big cascade. you can get a big reaction. this is a serious issue. we need to talk about it calmly and dispassionately. there's no question the migrant caravan is a big issue. when you have a migration of this kind, you can get a political backlash and that can be a rolling emergency. that's what we need to prevent. we need to remember that all of us have an interest in border security. it's not about pitting one group against another.
it's true that president trump hasn't always has been as careful as he ought to be in talking about it. there's no question it's a big issue. ten years ago you would have had bipartisan agreement on this. it troubles me you can't talk about it in a measured way. >> have democrats figured out -- >> you know what troubles me? the president said democrats is doing it. george soros. putting a target on mr. soros. he cares about our country. he had to flee anti-semitism. his family. george, let's go back to what happened in pittsburgh. there's been a surge in violence in the jewish community, vandalism. there's been a surge in bomb threats. there's been a surge in cemetery demarkation. we need to focus on that. >> it is terrifying. it is terrifying and wrong. it is the case that there are many americans, prominent american who engage in politics and they become targets. this is not unique to geor
soros. >> but it is unique to have a president that is so combative and his style is attack. he boasts about i'm going to hit them, punch them ten times harder at a time when we want to tamper things down. democrats want safe borders. why does it have to be the attack? the combative trump style. >> the mistrust at this point has grown to a point where i'm afraid there's not going to be any necessary reform. it's reached an emergency level. let's not use rhetoric which justifies violence. it's reached a level where thousands of children are sitting in dhhs custody. thigh -- they're without their parents. the laws passed in 2000 and 1965 don't match up with the reali realities. we need a change. the president is calling for it. people distrust the president so we can't get change. that's where we are. that doesn't mean we can hang a mass murder around his neck.
i want the rhetoric to be calm. yoj the american viewers are looking at president trump as a viewer. >> no one said that at this table. >> not one person said that. >> he's responsible for the rhetoric that led to the mass murder. >> he's responsible for fomenting and using rhetoric. i'm not saying he's responsible for any of the incidents that happened this week at. let me go back to this. yes, we need border security. yes, we need solutions to the problems. yes, we should be welcoming to immigrants in this country. yes, we should be a country that deals compassionately with refugees. we as a country are not allocating resources to problems in a priority order. the biggest problem of violence in this country is from white supremacists. we're allocating no money to deal with that problem.
we're sending 800 soldiers to the border for people who are thousands of miles away. >> you're doing a disservice to the intelligence agencies and those working in homeland security who are profoundly concerned about this. you have a domestic terror attack. >> does the president talk about white supremacy? >> with the tendency to match one party's rhetoric with another party's rhetoric, we're constantly egging one another on rather than looking to the first responders and how they look together. >> can i just say in talking to real people and voters in georgia, they just miss the america that they loved. they are like we are not these people. they want someone to put to words and talk about things like the melting pot. as opposed to the combative style.
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the names and ages have been released. we want to go back to martha raddatz in pittsburgh. >> thanks george. they released the names of those 11 killed. three women, eight men. the ages range from 54 to 97 years old. the rabbi told me earlier that older people generally go to the morning services. the fbi briefed about the weapons used, brad. a semi-automatic. >> yes. the classic ar-15. also had some handguns. the problem is that when you go into a location with overwhelming fire power, even if the people inside are armed, it's such a disadvantage. the person inside, they're not combat trained. they're going to shoot themselves or somebody else and the gunman will go right to them. it sounds like the right things to do.
in reality it's not. >> we've seen attacks in churches, now the synagogue, other places of worship. it seems like a target that these attackers are after because it's a soft target. >> it's a soft target and they represent something to the shooter. clearly that's why the shooter came to this location. it's true with schools and churches. it's all an excuse to go harm people. they use that as a lever to go to that location. the real issue, martha, is how do you ever stop this people? it's all driven by intelligence. they may be never would have been able to stop this guy, but he probably started to escalate in the days before this. if the police knew about it, that maybe could do something. >> thanks so much for joining us here in pittsburgh, brad. here in pittsburgh, brad. we'll send it back to george. i'm dianne feinstein and i approve this message. "look what she's accomplished... she authored the ban on assault weapons...
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