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>> trump responds to the special counsel. >> it's a witch hunt that's been going on forever. >> as mueller's team prepares new plea deals and his final reports. is mueller's next move eminent? will trump's hand picked attorney general try and block him? what can democrats do to protect the special counsel? we ask democrat and dan abrams and allan dershowitz. plus, 2020 jockeying has already begun. we're talking to republican governor john kasich and democrat senator sherrod brown. we break down the politics, smoke out the spin. the facts that matter this week. >> announcer: from abc news it's "this week." here now chief anchor george stephanopoulos. good morning. hope you're enjoying the thanksgiving weekend. for all of you who took a break from politics during the holiday
welcome back to a fateful new chapter for the trump presidency. over month from now the president will face a democratic house for the first time. in just over a week he'll face a choice, shut down the government over his border wall or punt on that promise once and for all. dozens of presidential contenders are lining up to take him on in 2020 and what could be most consequential, the next moves from special counsel robert mueller. the president has answered some of his final questions. will mueller write his final report or take trump to court to force more testimony? tomorrow we'll learn if paul manafort is following through on his promise to cooperate in the case. more plea deals are in the works. mueller may have been silent during the midterms, but his team has been active behind the scenes. spending dozens of hours with multiple witnesses. so now, aside from trump himself, no single person has more influence over the trump presidency than robert mueller.
that's where we start this week our legal experts allan dershowitz professor at harvard law school and author of "impeaching trump" and abc analyst dan abrams. dan, let's talk about tomorrow's event. paul manafort appearing for a status hearing. explain what that means and its significance. >> he along with the mueller team requested a ten-day delay. >> until president trump delivered his answers. >> correct. we don't know what the reason was. was it because they want to access the extent of the cooperation with manafort? is it because manafort is going to be a critical witness in a case they haven't announced yet? that's the big question. is he cooperating so much that they wanted to wait until they could make a public announcement about another indictment where manafort could be involved? >> or potentially so little that he could be indicted again. >> i have no question they're not thinking about using him as
a witness. his credibility is shot. >> why would they strike a deal with him? >> they want him to provide information, documentary information, self-proving information, information about events they could follow up. it would be a mistake to use manafort or corsi or any of these guys who have real credibility problems. mueller is too smart for that. he's going to have to make an air tight case. relying on the credibility of admitted liars is not the way to go. >> if it's uncorroborated. that becomes the key question. they might use someone like manafort if they can back up his account with independent evidence. as a result he could be a critical witness. >> allan, they seem to be working hard to make these deals. you mentioned corsi and that's jerome corsi could become a witness against roger stone. >> not a witness.
he's a birther. he's a conspiracy theorist. he's not going to be a witness. as a defense attorney, i love when they put on people like jerome corsi and manafort. even when it's corroborated. they're so much better off not putting on the witnesses and using the information to make the case. >> let's just talk about information. we're getting information from paul manafort. we're getting information perhaps from jerome corsi. we're getting information from gates and cone. we're getting information from a lot of people. >> it is. i think the report is going to be devastating to the president. i know the president's team is working on a response to the report. at some point when the report is made public, that's a very hard question considering the new attorney general who has the authority to decide when and under what circumstance to make it public, it will be made public with a response alongside. the president will say it's political. there's their account and our
account. the american public will have toe judge. >> for you to say it's devastating is something. >> let's talk about why jerome corsi is important. some people say mueller is veering off into all these different areas. jerome corsi goes to the heart of the question as to who knew what and when about the hacking, about the distribution of that information et cetera. if they make a deal with someone like jerome corsi, that means they believe he's got information linking it back to someone in the trump campaign. doesn't mean it's donald trump himself. >> roger stone the most likely. >> roger stone the most likely. that's really important on the critical questions we've been talking about. >> the critical questions are largely political. when i say devastating, i mean, it's going to paint a picture that's devastating. i don't think it's going to make a criminal indication. collusion is not criminal. >> conspiracy to cooperate with an attempt to obstruct the
united states government is a crime. >> that's too much of a stretch. conspiracy to attempt to obstruct the united states government, they'll need more than that. mueller is not going to take the chance on being rebutted. he's going to lay out just the facts. just the facts, ma'am. he'll lay out the facts and leave it to congress to decide whether that rises to the level of impeachable offenses. trump's greatest vulnerabilities do not lie with mueller. they lie with the southern district of new york. mueller's allegations have constitutional defenses. if there's any shenanigans having to do with business, they don't have constitutional defense. >> allan is saying the president can't obstruct of justice. >> he can be if he tampers with
witnesses and there are other things. >> tampering with witnesses could be interpreted broadly. >> you can't tamper with witnesses with public tweets. >> you tamper with witnesses by sigh lendly doing what nixon is by offering them money. >> what about dangling pardons? >> that's all public. >> we don't know it's all public. >> where does it say it has to be private? we don't distinguish between public and private. >> people don't commit crimes in public. >> i understand that. where does the law say that? >> what bush did to casper weinberger is identical. hi par -- he pardoned on the eve of the trial to avoid criminal prosecution. nobody suggested criminal prosecution here. >> the difference here would be he's pardoning to protect himself. >> so was bush. hoe pardon -- he pardoned to protect himself. the great fear was that casper weinberger would point the
finger back to him. >> let me interrupt with a hypothetical. you bring up casper weinberger. let me bring up a different hypothetical. if robert mueller determined that president trump or his team or associates or his agents have in some way suggested to paul manafort, to michael cohen, to flynn that a pardon would be in the offering if they did not testify to robert mueller, that's obstruction isn't it? >> no. thomas jefferson did that in the trial of aaron bure. he brought people into the white house and said if you testify favorably i'll give you a pardon. if you don't i'll prosecute. that is not a crime. >> the problem is what allan does is isolates an individual issue like a pardon. the issue i think mueller is going to do is he's going to puzzle this together and say it's not just about pardons or alleged witness tampering. if this happens -- i don't know mueller is going to have this. if he has it -- >> i agree that's what he goi to do.
>> together i think even you would have to agree at some point that there is a line which can be crossed. >> but it wasn't crossed. >> how do you know it wasn't crossed? >> we have a pretty good sense from what's been out there about what at least the president is alleged to have done. it would be a foolish mistake for mueller to take it to the next step and say this is a crime. the other side will be able to rebut it. if he lays it out and leaves it to the american public, that would be wiser. >> that could be what he does. final question. is there anything the acting attorney general, matt whitaker, can do to interfere with the mule investigation. >> politically it would be a disaster. i think mueller got everything done before the midterms. he wanted to make sure he was finished with all his work. that's why he accepted the written statements. he didn't want the new attorney general or acting attorney general to be able to interfere. it would be politically a disaster if the new attorney general did that. >> mueller could humiliate him in so many different kinds of
ways. as allan pointed out before, this investigation has tentacles in other offices, not just sitting with robert mueller. >> it's something we haven't even discussed. we don't know they're connected to the mueller investigation. now more than a dozen sealed indictments in federal district court in washington, d.c. >> those are significant. >> it's going to be a big week. >> thank you both very much. let's bring in senator amy klobuchar. senator klobuchar, thanks for joining us. you heard that discussion from allan dershowitz and dan abrams. do you agree there's nothing the acting attorney general can do to interfere with the mueller investigation? >> i don't know. he's running the justice department. i don't think that he should be. the reason i'm concerned is it's someone that publically said he thinks you could starve the investigation by cutting off the money for it. he said he didn't see any connection between the trump
campaign and russia, yet you've seen all these indictments and charges and convictions that you just referred to. i'm concerned about having him in charged. we've tried in the senate on a bipartisan level to protect the investigation. by law there are court cases going on that are questioning this appointment of someone who is literally a walking conflict. he got $1.2 million to go on tv to protect donald trump and we have no idea where that money came from. i'm asking where did that money come from? >> you mention the legislation to protect robert mueller. some of your colleagues in the senate including ron wyden have suggested not supporting the government funding bill that's coming up in early december unless this legislation is included. do you support that effort? >> i think we should do everything we can to get that bill passed. it's about the rule of law. we'll see what our leverage
points are. there is some republican support for this. all of my colleagues who said repeatedly they want to protect the investigation, really have to come forward and do it. i'm talking about those on the republican side of the aisle. >> that's the biggest leverage point you have right now? >> it is. >> you going to use it? >> i think we should use it however we can. it depends on what bills are coming through and how we can do it. we have to protect this investigation. >> let me switch subjects. the president up and tweeting this morning about situation at the border. migrants coming from central america to mexico. reports of a possible deal with mexico to hold those people who are applying for asylum in mexico as their asylum claims are processed. mexico is denying they agreed with that. the president said it would be very smart if mexico would stop the caravans before they get to our southern border. or if originating countries
would not let them form. it's a way they get certain people out of their country and into the u.s. dems created this problem. no crossings. your response? >> my mom taught second grade until she was 70 years old. she said if you do something wrong and you don't tell the truth, you take responsibility for it. don't blame it on the other kid. that's what he's doing here. he controls the white house. his party controls the house and senate. it's on them. what i think they should do is first of all, he should have been working with these central american countries a long time ago to try to get to a point where we didn't see this extraordinary amount of people coming through. secondly, comprehensive immigration reform. he has gut punched us on that a number of times. we have the will to put the money at the border for better security and combine it with some sensible reforms including things like a path to citizenship. things like making sure we have workers in our fields and factories that we need.
he chose instead to weaponize this and politic size it. it's wrong for our economy and wrong for our work with the rest of the world. he has an opportunity here especially with a new congress coming in to get this done. it all rests in that office on him and he needs to get this done. >> that's the new congress. left over business for the old congress. i moan -- mentioned that government funding bill. the president said on thursday if he doesn't get the funding for a border wall, a government shutdown is possible. are you open to any negotiation on this border wall funding? >> we have tried to negotiate with him. he won't take yes for an answer. you look at this. we tried to negotiate on the dreamers. that was led by reasonable republicans like
the senator from south dakota and johnny isaacson. i was in that group looking to find a way out with border money and looking for a way to protect the dreamers. we're willing to talk about this. if he wants to keep playing politics with it, we aren't going to be able to get it done. i would like to add, farm bill is so important. we should be getting that done by the end of the year. again, there's the will in congress. we need leadership in the white house and criminal justice reform. >> those are three things on the table right now. you would be willing to go along with some wall funding to get those? >> to get an agreement and to make sure we do something on immigration reform. remember, when we're talking about wall funding, we're talking about border funding, personnel, we're talking about a whole grouping of things that protect security. what i don't think we should do is shut down the government. that again is in his hands and his party's hands. >> major government report on the issue of climate change. we're showing the headlines across the country. this was released friday
afternoon. it warns of grim economic consequence. climate change will harm the entire nation. "the new york times" says the 1,656 page assessment lays out the devastating effects of a changing climate on the economy, crop failures, infrastructure, all told the report say climate change will slash gross domestic product. you say that congress should act. what can be done to reverse this? >> the greenhouse gas rules. the clean power rules that were already on the way to getting implemented. we should get that done. secondly, gas mileage standards. we were clearly on a good path with that. this administration stepped backwards. finally going back into the international climate change agreement like every other country. this is a report by the administration. instead of talking about the science, it talks about the
impact on places like i'm from, the midwest, where you'll see devastation to our crops. you're seeing the hurricanes because of the ocean warming. you're seeing in vivid color the horrible wildfires out west. this is what nasa and our military have predicted for years. it's time to act on it. the administration can issue this devastating report showing the facts and on the other do nothing. it's time to act. >> isn't this what's happening? it was released friday afternoon of thanksgiving. >> that's exactly what i said. i pointed out the other day, they couldn't pick a day where they tried to get less attention on their report. i think it backfired. because there was no news that day, a lot of people have found out about it and are signing up to get the overview of the report. i would suggest all your viewers look at the report and look at
what it's predicting. >> you're coming off a big victory in the state of minnesota. congratulations for that. you did well in a lot of areas where president trump did well in 2016. >> thank you. >> it sparked a lot of speculation you might be looking at the 2020 race for president. you've been to iowa a couple times. can you fill us in on how you're thinking about that and what's shaping your potential position? >> people are talking to me about this i think in part because i worked really hard to go not just where it's comfortable, but where it's uncomfortable and did well in a number of those places where donald trump won. i'm also someone for those who are exhausted with politics likes to get things done. right now i'm still thinking about this and talking to people. i'm sorry to say i have no announcement for you on your show. i learned this from my senate race once when i was considering running for the senate and told someone that on the radio and that was how my husband found out about it.
since he's watching today, i'm not going to repeat that again. >> not going to share your thanksgiving conversations either. that's not a no either. i'll end with an invitation when you're ready to announce you can do it right here on "this week." >> thank you, george. >> that wasn't a yes. thanks for coming on, senator. good to see you again. up next the state of ohio is one of the biggest prizes in a presidential race. now it's home to two possible contenders for 2020, the gop governor john kasich and the democratic senator sherrod br n brown. they both join us when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪
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abc news now projects the winner in ohio is mr. bush. crucial state in presidential politics. no republican has ever been elected without the state of ohio. >> the state of ohio is going to barack obama. the most campaign events by both candidates in ohio. it was as fiercely contested a state as we had in the nation. >> donald trump wins the state of ohio. one of his core four. you've seen it right there. a big victory for donald trump. ohio always such a key in presidential races. we're going to start with the governor of ohio, republican john kasich. governor, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, challenge. >> i'll start out with some congratulations with the buckeyes big win over michigan. you'll be out of office in a few wins. you ran for president last time around.
you ran back in 1999 as well. how seriously are you thinking about taking it on this time? >> very seriously, george. these are earnest conversations that go on virtually every day with my friends and family. we need different leadership. there isn't any question about it. i'm not only just worried about the tone and the name calling and the division in our country and the partisanship, but i also worry about the policies. the rising debt. the inability to deal with immigration. the problems we have as america alone in the world. what i consider a rotten deal with the saudis to look the other way. these are things, george -- i'm worried about our country, not just in the short term. i didn't mean -- i'm worried about our country in the long
term. the question for me is what do i do about this? is it -- you know, what exactly -- do i run because i've determined that i can win? or is it important for me to make such a good showing that i can send a message that can disrupt the political system in this country? i have to think about it. i think about it seriously. as you know, i still travel. i'm out there trying to do what i can do. i don't know when i will have to make a decision, but let's not -- let's be clear, i'm not being coy. i'm just trying to do this for some kind of -- it's not a game. this is serious for me. >> you're up against a formidable challenge. you complained in new hampshire that the republican party has been hijack by president trump. he's got about a 90% approval rating inside the party. does a challenge inside the party have any practical chance for success? >> all options are on the table for me. let me ask you a statement -- let me ask you to think about
this. at what point does somebody stand on principle and say the direction we're going is wrong? you want to be able to make a statement. maybe i do that by running again or, you know -- frankly in the last election i was the last man standing with very little money and very little name recognition. it grew over time. what i ask myself is what do i owe my country? what can i do to help my country? is this -- does it mean -- do i run for office again or are there other ways i can impact the flow of events? i listened to the last interview with the senator. i thought she did a very good job. it's the same old stuff. it's the politics and mumbo jumbo and we this and that deal. we've got to get out of this mire and it's going depend on
raising the public to say we deserve and want better. i don't know where it's all going to lead, george. it's a serious consideration every day. >> does better mean working across party lines? you talked about running on a bipartisan ticket. including perhaps with governor john hickenlooper. is that something that's truly viable? is that what you think americans are looking for? >> george, i don't know that -- let's say that donald trump is nominated and elizabeth warren is nominated and you have this ocean of people in the middle. is there a legitimate opportunity for a third party to be able to score a victory or have a profound impact on the future of american politics? that would be something i would talk to you about off line and get your view. we don't know at this point. >> everybody's looked at it in the past and said it's not possible. you've seen it before and there seems to be a ceiling. >> you know what, no one thought
a guy like donald trump would be elected president. no one thought we would have electric cars. no one thought we could talk on phones and see the person we were talking to. this is a time of change. you've can't change tomorrow based on today. hickenlooper, love him, but the name is too long. you couldn't fit it on a bumper sticker. >> you have your ohio colleague sherrod brown coming up next. he's a democrat. >> you can't both be from the same state. that's out of the question. >> do you have a time table? >> i don't. we have to see how events develop. the whole top of your show is about what is likely to happen. we don't know what is going to happen. what we think is going to happen tomorrow never happens tomorrow. it's so different. i have to see what makes the most amount of sense for me personally and the people around me.
that's what i gotta do. >> is it fair to say if robert mueller comes out with more indictments and as allan dershowitz said a devastating report for donald trump that would open up a path for you for a primary challenge? >> george, there's all different things that can develop here. as you know in politics -- that's why we love politics. what we know today is not necessarily what we see tomorrow. we sit. we plan. we raise a little bit of money. we keep my team together. i learned -- i spend my time working on the issues. i want to finish as governor strong. this was a heck of a year for republicans in ohio. i think the road map i laid out with my team, which is no one gets left behind. we cut taxes for those at the top. we also provided the first income relaxation provisions for people at the bottom. we can make sure no one is left behind.
we expanded medicaid so the mentally ill and drug addicted could get help. no one is left behind. the top, the bottom, people feel they can participate. it showed in ohio where it didn't show in others. it's a road map, not just for republicans, but democrats as well. >> governor kasich, thanks for your time. >> thank you george. >> let's bring in the democratic senator from ohio, sherrod brown from cleveland. you heard governor kasich say it was a good year for republicans in ohio. you were the exception to that. you won re-election handedly. what message did that say to you about where ohio is and where the country is right now? >> if you love your country, you fight for the people that make it work. my message -- not just my message. my career is devoted to the dignity of work. you honor and respect all workers, whether they swipe a clock, whether they wear a badge, whether they're raising kids, whether they're working on salary or working for tips.
both parties may have forgotten that the dignity of work and respecting workers is the way we should do our jobs every day. >> you were the exception this year. why do you think ohio has been drifting away from democrats? >> ohio is a -- it's a state that's gotten more conservative. we've seen -- we don't have a lot of -- we have a net out migration. we stemmed that unfortunately during the last eight years. it's not seemed to have -- we've not really addressed that very well with this state government. we've had 30 years in this state of mostly a net out migration of young people. we have not have the type of leadership -- i respect governor kasich, i appreciated that he expanded medicaid and the
direction of the state has not been to the state's the state seems to be getting more conservative. >> coming out of your election, in the past you dismissed the idea of running for president. there have been suggestions you're more open to it since you were re-elected a couple weeks ago. i'll ask you the same question i asked governor kasich. how serious are you about running for president in 2020? >> as i said before, you know i didn't have this dream of being president of the united states. i would prefer to have -- my dream was to play center field for the cleveland indians. that door obviously is closed. since the election, connie and i have been overwhelmed by the number of people from around the country that have said we should think about doing this. i haven't made trips to iowa or new hampshire and haven't done any of those things to prepare. that's fine. the iowa caucus is 13 months away.
we're seriously thinking about it and talking about it with family and friends and political allies who have come to me about this. ideally i want my message of the dignity of work to -- i want that to be the narrative for other democratic candidates. that's how you beat -- donald trump won my state by almost double digits. he won the industrial midwest. to turn that around, i hope that candidates running in the democratic primary talk about the dignity of work, talk about respecting work, talk about when you work hard and play by the rules, you ought to be able to get ahead. we've seen profits go up. we've seen executive compensation explode. we've seen more productive workers, yet wages have been flat. we've seen lots of heart ache in my state and throughout the industrial midwest and throughout the country because members of congress -- frankly the white house looks like a retreat for wall street
executives. they've not paid attention to working class issues and workers regardless of the type of work they do. >> the president has this populist rhetoric. i know you believe he hasn't followed through on it. is there any potential issues where you could work with him? could you sign on to his new trade agreement with mexico and canada? >> i've been part of the negotiations to renegotiate nafta. it still falls short on worker rights in terms of the labor enforcement -- enforcement of labor law. it hasn't done that. mexico hasn't improved its labor laws like they promised. that's all contingent. i want to see that happen. i would like to work with this president on infrastructure. he has campaigned on a $1.5 trillion infrastructure
package. that's over the next ten years. he's not lifted a finger with any serious proposal to congress. i would work on those kinds of things. fundamentally you've seen a president with his phony populism where the white house looks like a retreat for wall street executives, except when it looks like a retreat or oil executives, except when it looks like a retreat for pharmaceutical executives. the white house should never push people down to lift other people up. that's the phony populism of donald trump. this president's divisive rhetoric in order to distract from the issues of the day is what's put us -- it's frankly why his leadership has been so wanting. >> a whole bunch of democrats are looking at the race
including you. anyone else you look at in that field who if they got in, you would get out? >> say that again. >> any democrats that could keep you out of a run for president? >> this decision is more personal than that. i respect a number of them, many of my senate colleagues have been running for president for sometime as have others around the country. i don't see this as me against any individual person. i see this as -- if i run or not, i want my message of dignity of workers to be a message for all people. i want that to be this narrative in the presidential election regardless of the nominee. >> senator brown, thanks for your time. >> thanks. >> before 2020 democrats have a different leadership question on their hands. will nancy pelosi be the next speaker?
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this country's ever seen. her skill, tenacity, toughness, vision is remarkable. >> president obama out this week all but endorsing nancy pelosi for speaker of the house. we'll talk about that now with cokie roberts, cnn contributor and republican strategist amanda carpenter, michelle cottle and jason riley. let's begin with the speaker run. more than a couple democrats ran for election this year said they're not going to support her. she said i'm going to be the next speaker and you see the opposition slowly -- >> crumble. >> it hasn't completely caved yet. >> it better. she's going to be speaker and they're going to be on the wrong
side. she's a master politician. she learned it at her father's knee as the mayor of baltimore and she's taken it through her political life. she's using all kinds of lures to people to say this is the way you can succeed in the house of representatives and they are then saying okay that works for me, i'll vote for you. >> the fact she's not a shoe-in tells you something about the split in her caucus. there are people who want to move in a different generationally. nancy pelosi is 78 years old. her number three is 79. number three democrat is 78 years old. some people want to make room for a new generation. there's also the issue of whether she'll be able to control the caucus. democrats will be in control of a couple different oversight committees. will they want to work across the aisle? will they want to hold hearings endlessly? the democrats are in a situation here. >> this is the argument for pelosi though.
you need someone who knows how to herd the cats. she does this better than anyone. she can control that caucus better than anyone they can put forward. if the democrats overreach and look like they're being punitive or political, then they're going to get blow back and shoot themselves in the foot. this is an argument for her. >> the question of why some democrats are reluctant to back her is fascinating to watch. there's been questions is it ageist? no. she's an effective legislator, she does great at member relationships, but she's a terrible message. her key legislation package was the aca. she mired the package of the aca saying you have to pass it to see what's in it. democrats want someone who can be a bold voice.
>> she can put other people out to be the messenger. this disruption in the democratic caucus is hardly news. that's been true for -- remember working through the leadership there. >> i was there, yes. >> it was always a problem. the fact is that the people who thought that she was a problem for them in their races were inexperienced. whomever the democratic leader was was going to be a problem for them in their races. you remember morphing into tip o'neil. >> and the republicans had to deal with morphing into newt gingrich in later years. >> that's going to be the case for whomever is the leader. that person will be the signature person in the democrat party and the republicans will run against that person. >> jason, you pointed out she doesn't have it done yet. you have these democrats who made rock hard promises to not support. >> some have already changed her minds. >> she's trying to do something. she's handing out some goodies.
she ought to. ask republican legislators what that can do to your plans. nancy pelosi can have that equivalent if she doesn't change her plans. it's not just generational. it's also geographical. the legislators on both coasts. we want to make appeals to middle america. is nancy pelosi the person to do that? or should we be going for a different face? >> it doesn't appear to be ideological. >> it is not. you don't have her members saying she's too x, she's too y. what they talk about is she's been at the top too long. she spent 15 years leading this caucus. what she needs to do -- and she started doing it already. she needs to talk about herself as a transitional leader. she has used the phrase i'm a transitional figure. the house democrats have been terrible about grooming the next generation of leaders. they have had members leave the house. if you're a young ambitious
democrat, you leave the house. there's no place to move up. what she have needs to do -- what the entire leadership team needs to do is look to people like hakeem jeffries. they have a dozen up and comers who need to be put in a position so come 2020 they can take over this. >> it has to be done in a way that doesn't alienate a lot of people. that cab -- that can be -- remember, house fights can be really rough. what can happen is a whole generation of members are marred by a fight in the leadership. >> so far at least there isn't even a candidate taking on nancy pelosi. >> the person who was going to be the speaker was joe crowley. i think they're finding a way to find their voice knowing nancy pelosi is going to be in charge. will the first bill begun violence? the great new deal will ultimately be become a part of a
democratic platform and something that someone campaigns on in 2020. >> hr1 is going to be the democracy reform bill. >> that's in some ways to aye piece marcia fudge who might have possibly run against her. you mentioned investigations. i wonder if the discussion of overreach is overdone. if the democrats choose to look at how matt whitaker got his job and if they chose to look at the president's statements about saudi arabia and the khashoggi murder, if they choose to look at how the military has been sent to the border, is that a danger for them? >> i think there's a danger of oven reach and promises they made. when we have the gavel, we're going to do the oversight the republicans refused to do when they controlled the chamber.
they made promises to voters to look into things. there is a temptation there for show boat. >> there's a difference between these kinds of issues and drilling down on hush money payments to former mistresses. >> stormy daniels. >> right. >> you need to avoid the overtly political ones. the challenge is there are so many legitimate avenues of inquiry. you have to prioritize. they're working on meetings. they're very aware of this issue. >> there's a difference between overreach and oversight. the truth is it's congress' job to do oversight. that is one of the things they're supposed to be doing. if you have government agencies that are doing things that are inappropriate or illegal, the congress has a duty to oversee that. >> amanda, this is a brand new world for the trump white house who has escaped any kind of oversight for the last two years. >> i don't think what the trump white house realizes is that the
democrats are going to get his tax returns. the house ways and means chairman can just ask for them. treasury can put up a fight. it will probably go to court. there's an old 1924 law that allows them to get that. not only that, the ways and means chairman can't publicly disclose it, but he can look at what he learns to talk to other law makers to inform other investigations. adam schiff has already forecasted where he's going to go. >> head of intelligence committee. >> yes. he wants to look at the finances in terms of money laundering to see if the russians had any leverage over trump. that's the best framing i've seen a democrat put on this that has not reached overreaching. >> let's talk before we go about the midterm elections that aren't quite over yet. let's talk about the mississippi race where the republican
candidate has made some statements related to lynchings and hangings. let's listen. >> for anyone that was offended by my comments, i certainly apologize. this comment was twisted and turned into a weapon to be used against me. >> i don't know what's in your heart. we all know what came out of your mouth. what's caused our state harm is it's given our state another black eye that we don't need. it's rejuvenated old stereotypes we don't need anymore. >> new revelation this morning she attended a segregated school. >> and sent her child to one. that is more important. >> is it conceivable the republican in mississippi loses? >> no. anything is conceivable. we have a democrat out of alabama. it's think it's a long shot. it has degenerated into all racial politics. >> although espy is trying really hard not to make it all about race. he keeps talking as you heard him say, it's about mississippi going forward.
it's about not having this old image of mississippi as a racist state where you can't do business. a lot of businesses have pulled their money out of her campaign because they did see it exactly that way, that she was making racist statements that they didn't want to be associated with. >> it gets to the question about how rapidly the south is changing. >> this has been in the democratic playbook for decades. paint the republican candidate as racist. we saw it in this race. we saw it in georgia there was voter suppression. we saw it in florida, they're trying to steal the election. we've seen this come out of democrats before. i don't think espy is playing it down. i think he's playing it up. i think he saw an opening here. there's a difference between hanging and lynching. no one seems to be making that distinction. >> i think when your senate race ends up being a debate over the difference between hanging and
lynching -- >> it was also wearing the confederate hat. >> there were hundreds if not thousands of schools that opened after brown for this purpose. a lot of them are integrated today. blaming someone for where their parents send them to school -- >> that's why i said it was more important to where she sent her daughter. >> i question why she was appointed to that seat. she has a troubled background. i think gop women just wanted another quiet woman in the senate who wouldn't fight. >> we'll be right back.
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