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>> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. battle over the border. >> we're going to have a wall. we're going to have safety. >> president trump digging in on his demand for a border wall as the government shutdown goes into its second week. >> i can't tell you when the government is going to be open. i can tell you it's not going to be open until we have a wall a fence whatever. >> the president threatening to close the southern border. u.s. officials conceding a humanitarian crisis. what's needed to protect the border and respond to the influx of migrants and how will the new congress respond? we speak exclusively with the commissioner of customs and
border protections. plus the incoming chair of the house democratic caucus responds and -- >> we're no longer the suckers, folks. >> president trump makes a surprise visit to troops in iraq delivering a defense of his domestic agenda and foreign policy. did the president politicize the military during his trip? is trump's america first approach in america's best interest? retired four-star general stanley mcchrystal takes on trump. >> you think he's a liar? >> i don't think he tells the truth. >> plus 2019 proves to be a wild year. we look ahead with our powerhouse round table. >> announcer: here now co-anchor martha raddatz. >> welcome to "this week." we're nine days into the partial government shutdown and seemingly no closer to a resolution. nancy pelosi set to take over as house speaker thursday said her party will, quote, act swiftly
to end the trump shutdown when congress returns. she insists democrats will include funding for border security, but not a wall. the president is not backing down. in a series of tweets trump made his demands clear, we build a wall or close the southern border. he's threatening to cut off aid to three central american countries where many of the recent migrants are fleeing violence and poverty. that influx of new migrants is real and growing. this month nearly 25,000 children, a record, are expected to be apprehended at the southern border. this week the trump administration came under renewed scrutiny after a second migrant child died while in u.s. custody. as president trump blames democrats for the impasse over wall funding what's needed to address the humanitarian and security concerns at the border? to help us separate rhetoric from reality we're joined by customs and border protection
commissioner kevin mcaleenan. welcome to "this week," commissioner. we're going to start with the sad news. you've had two young migrant children from guatemala die while in custody in the past three weeks. 8-year-old at the lee pay gomez alonzo died and maquin. what have you learned? >> it's been over a decade since we had a child die in our processes. what i can tell you is -- i've looked at the investigative reporting. i looked at the father's statement. our agents did everything they could as soon as the children manifested symptoms of illness to save their lives. jakelin was 95 miles away from a station. she started to vomit on a bus ride to the station. our agents got her there as quickly as we could. we had an agent waiting who is a
paramedic to revive her and get her into emergency medical services and life flight her to el paso. in the boy's place, he was taken to a hospital in new mexico. >> what's being done to prevent this? >> the lead-in was absolutely appropriate. the humanitarian crisis we're facing, there are 60,000 people crossing the border each months. that's 30,000 families, 5,000 kids per month. we'll have 22,000 children come through our system, a system who the for adults who are violators of the law. now they're coming into the border patrol station as children. that's a huge crisis. what we've done immediately is we've directed we do medical checks of children 17 and under as they come into our process. that's not a capacity we have in the pass.
we checked everyone in custody. we're working with i.c.e. to transfer them into a better situation as quickly as possible. we're trying to change the system so we have the capacity with doctors, physicians assistants, paramedics to do a intake check so we know if a child is healthy when they arrive at the border and they can get medical care if needed. >> could more have been done to prepare for this? i know you have a surge. i know you say it's unprecedented with the number of children. but the flores settlement which says children have to be released after 20 days has been in place since 1997. couldn't you have mobilized for this? >> we have. within our current budget i've directed more spending on medical care for children. >> why are we at a breaking point now? as kirstjen nielsen says. >> it's because of the volume. you mentioned the flores settlement.
it was 1997, but it was actually a 2015 upheld by the ninth circuit that started this dynamic with families being released without immigration proceedings or repay ttrioting them. >> that sent a signal. if you arrive with a child you'll be able to stay in the united states. we've seen continued growth month after month with people coming with children. both children's parents said about why they came now and what they thought would happen when they arrived at the border. >> secretary nielsen said she laid blame on smugglers, those who want open borders and migrant parents who put their children at risk. by taking the journey. the president blamed the opposing party. does the federal government bear any responsibility for these deaths? >> it's a multi-facetted problem. it requires a multi-facetted solution. you mentioned the legal framework. backed on the flores settlement and the court decision families are going to be released.
it's inviting families into the dangerous journey. we need a sober-minded procedure to deal with the fact that children and families are coming into the cycle. we need to invest in central america. an unprecedented increase in aid is a tremendous steps forward. there are chutes of progress. both on security and the economic front in central america. we need to foster that and improve the opportunities to stay at home. we need to partner with mexico. no question we need to work with the new administration and have a joint plan for dealing with migrants in the hands of transnational organizations. >> let me go back to honduras, el salvador, guatemala. if there wasn't aid going into there, what would the result be, more problems? >> the need is for an accountable partner on the part
of the guatemalan and salvador government. when we work with them like in the western highlands of guatemala where there's a poverty an hunger crisis. huge rates of starvation. it's one of the huge poverty stricken places in the world, we have great programs to foster that. we need the government to step in and join us. with the mexican government coming in and expressing investment and development we have an opportunity to make a difference. >> i want to move to the wall, the border wall. the southern border is nearly 2,000 miles long. establish how much new border wall has been built since trump took office. >> that's the fourth element of the strategy. we need investments on the border security side in addition to the humanitarian needs i spoke to. in fy 17, president trump's first budget we got about
$300 million to start building new wall. we build 35 out of 40 miles already. it's a record time for a major government procurement. we're already on construction for the fy18 funded priority. >> i've been along that border and driven most of that border. there's areas where the wall is ineffective. people are climbing over that wall. how much of that border do you think the wall that exists or the fencing that exists is ineffective? >> our wall system priorities are derived from our agents in the field. they offer the capabilities they need to control their sector, their area of responsibility. we've asked for about 1,000 miles of wall. these are areas where we have a dense metropolitan area on both sides of the border, where people can disappear quickly into a neighborhood on the american side if we can't slow
them down. what we're talking about is not just a dumb barrier. we're talking about the censors, lighting, a system to secure the area of the border. >> if you got -- if the administration got $5 billion for a wall, would you want part of that money to be spent for all these technologies? >> absolutely. that's included in the ask of congress. it's about 215 miles of wall system. it has all those capabilities included in it. >> you've said you need this border security investment. there's a lot of congressmen i talked to who said you get the wall up there and the drone will fly over. that's how they're delivering drugs and other illegal substance. >> no one is asking for a single focus on border security. we've asked for surveillance technology. >> when you look at a wall, can't that just be overtaken by a drone or some other method of getting through? >> when you're talking about 60,000 people coming across the border and drug smuggling increasing, narcotics, opoids,
methamphetamines, a 25% increase last year, we need a way to stop that. it's a multi-facetted approach. we need counter drone technology too. we appreciate congress giving the secretary the opportunity to explore that. we need to attack all of the different sections. >> you're having a crisis. you've said you're at a breaking point. you want money for a wall and other border security. that's not going to happen quickly. how do you deal with this? >> we need money for a better process, a different approach for children and families crossing. in december 65% of our crossings are family and children. we don't want them in border patrol stations. we want them in a better scenario for these vulnerable populations. that's an immediate thing we can do more quickly. the surveillance technology we can deploy fast. it's not just between the ports. our ports of entry, these huge
gate ways for our economy, $4 trillion, $2 billion a day on the southwest border. we need to be able to stop drugs coming in and we need technology to help us do that. >> thank you, commissioner, for explaining all that to us. >> thank you. >> joining us now is congressman hakeem jeffries. he'll serve as the chair of the house democratic caucus. he's part of the new democrat leadership. congressman, you heard the cvp commissioner saying they're overwhelmed at this point. he's asked congress for funds to improve conditions and medical care for children. are democrats prepared to approve that? >> we're prepared to provide additional funding for enhanced fencing, technology, drones, satellites, lighting, censors, cell phone towers and the things the experts have indicated will improve border security. in addition, we want to enhance the ability of our officials at the southwest border to conduct themselves in a humane fashion and to avoid the type of
tragedies that happened with jakelin and felipe. that was unacceptable, unamerican and unconscionable. we need to do bet. >> does the federal government bear any of the blame? >> the trump administration bears blame to the extent the buck stops at the top. at the end of the day, you had two young, innocent children die in american custody. that should never occur. >> the president in a tweet blamed the democrats for the death of the two guatemalan children saying any deaths of children or others at the border are strictly the fault of the democrats and their pathetic immigration policies that allow people to make the long trek thinking they can enter our country illegally. they can't. if we had a wall, they wouldn't even try. your reaction. >> that's a completely unreasonable statement from the president, but not unsurprising. at the end of the day many
families and children leaving these very violent central american countries of guatamala, honduras and el salvador are fleeing places that are overrun with gangs, drug activity. many of them have a credible fear of persecution consistent with our asylum laws. they have a legal right to be heard to determine whether they have a basis for establishing asylum. the fact that donald trump ignores that legal reality is shameful. >> the trump administration announced its reached an agreement for mexico for immigrants to seek asylum in mexico while they await that process. are you on board with that? >> i'm not sure we can believe anything the trump administration says about reaching any agreement with the mexican government. this is the same president who said mexico would pay for the wall he plans to build.
now he's trying to extract $5 billion from the american tax payer to pay for something that clearly would be ineffective. we'll look at whatever agreement he presents. that is not a credible proposed solution to the challenges that we face at our southwest border. >> i want to ask you about the $5 billion in a moment. i want to ask you first about the killing of a young california police officer. the suspect is an undocumented immigrant. this is what the sheriff said leading the investigation. he said california's sanctuary law stopped local authorities from reporting the suspect to immigration officials during two previous drunk driving arrests. you defended sanctuary laws. the sheriff said if those laws wouldn't have been in place officer singh would be alive today. >> that was a tragic situation. my heart and prayers go out to
the officer's family as well as members of the law enforcement community who work hard and sacrifice themselves to keep us safe. my experience in new york has been different. members of the nypd the most highly trained law enforcement entity in the country, if not the world, has been that these sanctuary laws actually help promote public safety by encouraging cooperation, encouraging communication between community and police. >> in california it didn't work that way. address situation in california. he said officer singh would be alive today. >> i'm not going to take issue with the sheriff's assessment of the situation being unfamiliar with california laws. clearly it's a human tragedy. clearly we have to do better in terms of preventing these types of occurrences from taking place and keeping our law enforcement safe and our communities safe. that's what democrats intend to
do and will continue to do in a bipartisan fashion. >> congressmen, let's move back to the shutdown. nancy pelosi said that house democrats are considering three options to reopen the government. none of those options include money for a border wall. the president's team offered a $2.5 billion compromise. why isn't that a good compromise? >> at its core our responsibility in government is to manage public money. we can manage it efficiently or waste tax payers dollars. what donald trump and the republicans want to do is waste $5 billion in tax payer money on an ineffective medieval border wall that is a 5th century solution to a 21st century problem. yes, we need to enhance border
security. we are not willing to pay $2.5 billion or $5 billion and wasting tax payer dollars because donald trump decided he was going to shut down the government and hold the american people hostage. that's unreasonable. >> is there any circumstance where you would give any funding for a wall or border? if not, what are you saying to people who said it's the democrats' fault the government is shut down? >> the government has been shut down for one of the longest periods of time under a situation where republicans control the house, the senate and the presidency. as you indicated, leader pelosi along with chuck schumer will work to reopen the government. we offered three different alternatives. we offered bipartisan appropriation bills. they've already been agreed toby the house and senate related to all the parts of the federal government beyond the department of homeland security.
we offered a continuing resolution that would maintain the homeland security's funding. that's a reasonable proposal. they rejected it. we offered a continuing resolution for all entities shut down through the next fiscal year that would maintain current levels of funding. that's a reasonable proposal. they rejected it. we also offered to put fort a proposal that would continue the current levels of funding through february 8th. that passed the senate unanimously. because donald trump decided that he was going to respond to his radical right wing base rejected it and therefore we find ourselves in a government shutdown. we offered three reasonable proposals. >> congressman jeffries, none seem to include a wall which donald trump is buckling down on. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. up next the president's decision on troop withdrawals overseas has provoked wide spread criticism and the resignation of his secretary of defense.
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borders. only for one reason, because i want it. just looking at this warrior group, i think i'll say i don't want the wall. then they'll give it to me. i figured out the solution. >> that was president trump in iraq this week making his first visit to a conflict zone. while the president drew praise for the holiday trip, some say the president went too far in injecting politics. stanley mcchrystal is one of those critics. he served as the top commander in afghanistan until 2010 and he's the author of a new book, "leaders, myth and reality." i sat down with him for his take on the commander and chief. >> you saw president trump there this week talking to troops, not only in iraq, but in germany. the speech clearly took a political turn. he was talking about the border wall. he was disparaging democrats. what did you think when you saw
that? >> when leaders visit soldiers, young women and men, there's a sacred interaction that occurs. you have to provide for them leadership. you're showing that you are there. you're also listening to their problems. you don't use that as a time to tout your politics or your personal opinions. you use it as a time to reassure them what they're doing is appreciated. it's very important we understand the role and responsibility that leaders have which is sometimes -- sometimes transcends what we want to do in the moment. >> you saw some of those troops come forward with red make america great hats. the military rules prohibit military personal from showing any political leanings while in uniform. did they violate that? >> i think they violated the
spirit of it. i think it's unfortunate because if the u.s. military becomes politicized, it will become something we're not happy with. >> as we talk today, syria's military is poised to enter the kurdish held town. what do you think will happen there? without u.s. troops. >> i think there's every likelihood the kurds come up in a very difficult position. we leveraged kurdish military prowess to deal with isis and i think we did that well. i think we created an expectation with them which was natural. they thought we would help protect them. i think know that's every likelihood they'll do whatever damage they can to the kurds to remind the kurds they're in an area where they're very vulnerable. >> outside of the kurds, what difference does it make if those
2,000 u.s. forces leave? >> you never know until we see how things play out. my sense is that we have a tumultuous regime or region now that has a russian presence which had been out for about 30 years after the 1973 war. now russia is back. they're back in an influential way. iran has increased influence across the region. if you pull american influence out, you're likely to have greater instability. it will be much more difficult for the united states to try to push events in any direction. there's an argument that says we pull up our stuff, go home and let the region run itself. >> that has not done well for the last 50 or 60 years. >> i take it you don't believe isis is defeated? >> i don't believe it's defeated. i think isis is as much an idea as it is a number of isis
fighters. there's intelligence saying there's more isis fighters around the world now than there were a few years ago. doesn't mean we didn't do well against isis in iraq and much of syria. isis is an idea. as long as the ground exists, the causes that cause people to flock to a movement like isis, you'll have it flare back up again. >> in afghanistan the president has ordered them to start looking at drawing down half those troops there. do you think that's a problem? >> i think the great mistake in the president's guidance is that just when we were starting to sit down with the taliban and begin negotiations, he basically traded away the biggest leverage point we have. if you tell the taliban we're absolutely leaving on date certain, cutting down, leaking
ourselves, their incentives to cut a deal drop dramatically. i worry about the confidence of the afghan people. at the end of the day, that's what determines what happens in afghanistan. we rocked them in the belief that we're allies that can be counted on. >> at the same time this is what president trump campaigned on. they have a pretty good idea he wanted to get out of there. >> i think so. it's not a big surprise. the first thing we have to do is navigate from where we are, not from where we wish we were. >> jim mattis' last day as defense secretary is monday. you've seen his very public rebuke of president trump. what do you think americans should make of a resignation of someone like jim mats? >> i would guess that secretary mattis took a long time agonizing over writing a letter that was as direct about his feelings as that particular letter was. he knew it would be very public
and make a very strong statement that was much broader than the syria issue. it was about america's role in the world. i personally think it was valuable. maybe it causes the american people to take pause and say wait a minute. if we have someone as selfless and committed as jim mattis resigning his position, walking away from all the responsibility he feels for every service member in our forces and he does so in a public way like that, we ought to stop and say why did he do it? we ought to ask what kind of commander and chief he had that jim mattis, the good marine, felt he had to walk away? >> if someone was asked to be secretary of defense right now who you knew, what would you say to that person? >> i would ask them to look in the mirror and ask them if they can get comfortable enough with president trump's approach
to governance and how he conducts himself and would they be able to be loyal to this commander and chief? if there's too much of a disconnect it would be a bad foundation upon which to try to build a successful partnership. >> if you were asked to join the trump administration, what would you say? >> i would say no. it's important for me to work for people i think are basically honest, who tell the truth as best they know it. >> you think he's a liar? >> i don't think he tells the truth. >> is trump immoral in your view? >> i think he is. >> what would you say to those americans, and there are a lot of them, who support donald trump, who say i like what he's doing, he's shaking things up, i don't care about this other stuff?
>> i would say everyone has to make their own judgment. i can't tell any supporter of one politician or another that they are wrong. i would ask every american to do is, again, stand in front of that mirror and say what are we about? am i really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like. if we want to be governed by someone we wouldn't do a business deal with because their background is so shady, if we're willing to do that then that's in conflict with who we are. i think it's necessary at those times to take a stand. >> our thanks to stan mcchrystal. we'll be right back with the round table's look ahead to 2019. >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos sponsored
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discussion have broken down. we expect this to go on for a while. a shut down looks a little different under a republican administration. we won't be weaponizing the shut down like we believe the previous administration did. we could be in this for the long haul. >> acting chief of staff mick mulvaney saying the president is prepared to let the shutdown continue for sometime. we'll continue the discussion with matthew dowd, reihan salam, executive editor of "national recrr recr recrew" and author of "melting pot civil national political correspondent for "the washington post" and mary bruce. we have the double marys over here today. i love it. mary, week two of the shutdown the president said he's in the white house waiting for
democrats to talk to him. he's made no effort at substantial negotiations. where are we? what next? >> there's no end in sight. there's been no real attempt to negotiation at all. it's truly a game of chicken. both sides are digging in. there's no real political incentive for either side. we know that later this week house democrats will pass some kind of bill to reopen the government. it won't include the funding the president wants. the pressure will be on senate republicans and mitch mcconnell. once again donald trump is the x factor. it's astounding he canceled his trip to stay in washington and work this out and it appears there have been zero conversations. i'm told president trump hasn't reached out to chuck schumer or nancy pelosi. they haven't talked in 19 days. the more this goes on, it's more
about politics and winning. >> and staying home. matthew, can the president get out of this without folding in some way? why doesn't he do it sooner? why doesn't he do it before nancy pelosi? >> he put himself in a box. the lead up to this show talked about his own statements and the chaotic way he led in the midst of this. we've given up on the idea he's going to act presidential. what can we ask him to be in this new year? i would give him advise of dwight shoop with "the office." he said whenever i'm about to do something i ask would an idiot do it? if an idiot wouldn't do it, i shouldn't. the shut down can't go on obviously forever. there's many things not getting funded that need funded. up until now, as mary said, it's been all republicans in charge. nancy pelosi taking over next week. it will be a different ball game from many different aspects. the president himself has put himself in the position where he shut down the government and now he doesn't know how to get out of it.
>> reihan, he's clearly looking to his base and trying to please his base. how effective is this if it drags on and on? when is he hurt with this even by his base, if at all? >> the president realizes there's a small number of obama trump voters who were willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt on a wide range of economic issues and who agreed with him on hot button issues like immigration. he's trying to raise the salients of immigration and the wall in hopes of regaining that wall in hopes of regaining that constituency that drifted away from him in 2018. they gave him the benefit of the doubt because they thought he was not a conventional republican. if you're looking at the first
two years, when it comes to economic and domestic policy, he didn't govern like a different republican. as much as he might want to raise the not necessarily going to work the same magic when he's an incumbent president as it did when he was a challenger. >> do you agree with that, matt? >> the president didn't win the states that he won because of the wall. if you go back and look at the analysis and look at the midterms when he pushed this immigration thing, he lost those voters. that's what he's not holding on to in this. i think the president has to decide that he's going to lead in the consensus and do for the common good. i think it's almost impossible for this president to do. >> i want to go to the basics of this partial shut down. mary jordan, the president tweeted this week suggesting the shut down mostly impacts democrats. i'm not sure how he came to that. this really does affect so many people. one government agency included
this suggested language that furloughed workers send to their landlords. i would like to discuss with you the possibility of trading services to perform maintenance, painting, carpentry work, in exchange for rent payments. they walked that back. do you think the president understands the shut down and who it effects? >> no. what people are saying is stop it. just stop the political game. this is all about politics. it's not about the wall. i spent five years writing about mexico. i've been all along the border. talking about a $5 billion wall and shutting down the government because you've want that is kind of like investing in land line technology in the era of cell phones. there's tunnels everywhere. people can dig tunnels all along
the wall. it's not about the wall. it's silly to blame the democrats about this. it's a deflection. a lot of bad news for donald trump lately. the economy is erratic. the mueller probe is coming down. it's not going to be good news for him. again, he wants the boogie man. he wants the democrats. regular people are like stop it. do the hard thing. fix immigration. we want a lot of these people to come across the border. we need them in the nursing homes. we need them in these jobs. do the hard thing. figure out how to get visas for people who can work. toughen the border where we need it and stop talking about $5 billion on a concrete ball that makes no sense. >> to reihan's point, and if it echos, how long -- all of your predictions around the table on how long it can be last. >> if there are any lessons to be learned from past shut downs it could last until public
frustration boils over. when you have 800,000 workers working without pay or furloughed, the impacts will be felt. some of it may not have been felt over the holidays. early poling suggests more of the american public are blaming the president and republicans than democrats. if they find the solution, how long does the solution last. they can only kick the can down the road for a couple more weeks. until you hear the public out cry it's hard to predict. >> mary? >> i don't think it will last too long. the president is good at knowing what the public wants and the public is going to see through this. >> congressman jeffries said the democrats are open to enhanced border fencing, but not a wall. the idea of a wall is medieval, but the fencing is fine. enhanced border fencing, you can dig a tunnel under that too. they voted for enhanced border fencing, wall funding in various configurations before. because there were about 30 seats where democrats won over
districts that have historically been republican that could be interesting going forward. >> with donald trump we're going to set another record. the previous record for a shut down was 21 days. i think we'll pass that. donald trump's already given up on the wall. he's talking about a fence with slats. he's given up on mexico paying for it. >> i bet they still call it a wall. >> he calls it a wall with his base. ultimately -- i agree with reihan, the solution will be something we pass that we're not going to call a wall. we're going to set a record over 21 days. >> let's look ahead to that lovely prospect. in 2019 it's a whole new world for president trump. starting this coming week. what do you expect? is he prepared for that? >> i don't think he's prepared for it. they have a new chief of staff coming in. they'll have a new defense secretary coming in. they have an acting secretary in
a number of places and they don't have an infrastructure in the white house able to deal with the amount of subpoenas. the amount of investigation. nancy pelosi will play this smart. she's going to pass bills on public safety, she's going to do something on guns, she's going to pass a bunch of stuff and she'll let her people chair committees. i don't think donald trump is going to know what hit him. >> mary bruce, that sounds interesting. but they do have to get something done. democrats have to. >> they know there's a real danger in them overplaying their hand. they can't just investigate and issue subpoenas until they're blue in the face. they have to actually legislate. they're planning this anti-corruption push which is about setting a new tone. trying to take on the influence of money and politics. it has very little to no chance of becoming a reality and getting the president's signature. it gives democrats a chance to say there's a new sheriff in town.
it also kind of dares republicans. it puts them in a tough in a tog situation to vote against some of these issues. that's something you're going to see over and over. democrats trying to box in republicans. >> reihan, you talked about donald trump appealing to his base. and wanting to do that. if that doesn't work, if he sees that falling away what kind of 2019 can you expect with donald trump? >> there are a number of things we haven't figured out. it looks as though he might have a deal with china. he might be able to broker some kind of compromise. that could be a significant victory. it's possible the stock market as in 1987 doesn't pretend some lanch larger economic correction. you can see a healthy economy through 2019 too. there are still ways he can turn
this around. relating to the border question, that we haven't discussed as much, the president achieved a big victory by getting mexico to cooperate with u.s. authorities in pursuing the remain in mexico proposal. he did not declare victory. he didn't declare ownership of that victory, but further moves in the direction of fostering cooperation with the mexican government. with central american go governments that could yield further victory. >> that's going to be a fleeting thing with mexico. the president -- >> we'll have to see how that works. >> we'll see how long that works. >> very quickly, mary, i want to ask you each, 2019 is significant in another way. it's the year before 2020. we've seen some potential candidates. gillibrand, elizabeth warren,
kamala harris, o'rourke, corey booker, what are you expecting this year? >> most people are saying in the next few months we'll have two dozen, maybe more, serious contenders. it could play out all the way to summer. now you don't have to announce as early as you used to. you can have a star come out later. yes, they need the ground game and to go to iowa. it's a little different. this roll out is going to begin january 1st. it's going to go all the way through summer. >> are you going to see any senators on the hill? >> they're going to be bouncing back and forth between iowa and new hampshire and d.c. so many said they were taking the holiday break to make the decision. probably a lot of conversations around the holiday dinner table. a lot of them want to jump in early. contrary to your point, in some ways they want to get a held start because the field is so big. you're looking at north of 30 democrats.
a lot of them are eager to make their mark. >> none of them are eager to have donald trump trashing them. >> this will be a wedding dress for the democrats something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. i think what you need to see is they need a woman to rise in this. >> an enormous amount of money will be spent. because delegates are issued proportionately, this could last a really, really long time. >> it's going to be a long couple years. thanks. we'll be right back. thanks. we'll be right back.
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