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. . . . . >> virginia beach massacre. 12 dead in america's latest mass shooting. >> today's virginia beach's darkest hour. >> virginia beach police chief james cervera joins us live. and the special counsel breaks his silence. >> if we have had confidence that the president didn't commit a crime, we would have said so. >> sparking new calls, more pressure on the speaker. >> we need to begin impeachment proceedings. >> 11 instances of possible obstruction of justice. >> pelosi fears impeachment is a trap that could help president trump. how will democrats escape this dilemma? can they force mueller to testify? what are the consequences for 2020? we'll ask democratic candidate
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michael bennet, and adam schiff and one of the president's top defenders in congress, jim jordan plus, martha raddatz on the ground in tehran for an exclusive interview with iran's foreign minister. >> if you came back to the negotiating table, would you trust president trump? and the president threatens new tariffs on mexico and china. how will the escalating trade wars impact the race? insight and analysis from our powerhouse roundtable. we'll break down the politics, smoke out the spin, the facts that matter this week. >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. good morning. welcome to "this week." we have a lot to get to this morning. but we begin in an all-too-familiar place, mourning the victims of another mass shooting in america. here are the 12 killed in a government building in virginia beach late friday. laquita brown. ryan keith cox. tara gallagher.
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mary louise gayle. alexander mikhail gusev. joshua hardy. missy langer. christopher kelly rapp. herbert snelling. bobby williams. the victims and their loved ones in our thoughts this morning. we won't name the shooter as we confront what has become a deadly epidemic. and we begin with the police chief cervera, our condolences to your entire community. in addition to the 12 victims, we also know there are four injured. what more can you tell us about their condition this morning and the latest on the investigation? >> we do know that three of the victims who were wounded are still in critical condition. one is in much better condition. our fingers are crossed and our prayers go out for a positive outcome. as far as the investigation goes, we're currently in the
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evidence recovery mode. the fbi has sent some who investigators to assist us. actually, they now have the lead at this point. so, all the forensics text from our city are still in the crime scene, in the building. i have to let you know that it's a large building and because it's an older building the inside is a honeycomb maze of offices. they've been in there for -- since the initial shooting and my deep honor goes out to the work that they're doing right now to put this whole case together from this end. >> none of us want to give the shooter any more attention he deserves. from what you discovered so far, anything more on the motive or whether anything could have been done to prevent this tragedy? >> we don't have anything additional on the motive. we're now interviewing, coworkers, witnesses, family
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members, anyone willing to step forward. to give us dadditional information. i appreciate the fact that we're not mentioning his name. i did it once. as far as additional information on the case, like i said, we're working every angle we possibly could. remember, this is an open government building and he's an employee of the open government building. he has access with his card. to get into numerous places that the general public would not be allowed in. he had full access to the building. >> he obtained the guns legally. we know the shooter used a sound suppresser. what difference did that make in and do we need more restrictions? >> the sound suppresser is just that. they wouldn't have heard the gun going off. but again, this is a very large building, might not have been an issue in this particular case. as far as more legislainmo of that would have mattered in
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this particular case. we do have the second amendment. it's very stringent for our country. in this case, the weapons were obtained legally by this individual. >> and your officers responded with their training quite quickly. saved lives. you've been in law enforcement 44 years. this has hit home for you and your force this morning. what is your message to the country? >> well, my message is this -- the first four officers that made entry, made entry into that building within few minutes of that initial call going out. other officers responded. to search other parts of the building. the team that made the entry that eventually confronted the suspect, made that entry, began to clear out the first floor, realized where the suspect was, on an additional floor, they immediately engaged with him. it was a long gun battle. for lack of any other word. a long firefight. they stood their ground. they held their ground.
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he was moving, they were moving. this wasn't something that you'd think of in most police officer-involved shootings. also, everyone has to remember, this isn't a choreographed tv or movie incident. it was real, it was violent. it was going on. they stopped him from committing more carnage in that building. they were able to take the individual down and yes, it was a fatality, but we also have to know that, when they realize he was injured, that he was down, they switched over to first aid for that particular individual. because cops believe in the sanctity of life and they're the ones who put themselves in harm's way for other individuals. that's exactly what those young cops did. >> chief, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you, sir. we're now joined by senator michael bennet. one of 23 democrats running for president this morning.
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senator bennet, thank you for joining us this morning. you just heard the chief right there kind of laying out the difficulties facing those calling for more gun restrictions. we know president obama supported more gun restrictions, but couldn't get it done. >> thanks, george, thanks for having me. i think the president can make a difference. the house of representatives have passed background checks to close the internet loophole. this person bought the guns lawfully as we know. every single fact pattern is going to be different. we should pass those background checks. 90% of americans support it. we know what's going to happen. the house has passed it. mitch mcconnell won't allow it to come to a vote in senate and we won't have national background checks. after columbine in colorado, the people of this western state voted to close the gun show loophole and the internet loophole. that was 20 years ago, george. every single year, about 2%, 3%
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of the people that try to buy guns in colorado are stopped. these people are rapists and murderers and convicted felons of one kind or another. it's impossible to argue that our state isn't safer because of this law. hi hope is that if mcconnell doesn't take this on the floor, the people of america and the people of kentucky will hold him accountable for that. and that we actually put leadership in the senate and the white house that will do something about this. >> you're not the only coloradoan in the race, your former boss john hickenlooper is also running. of course, he was governor of colorado. yesterday, he got a pretty rough reception when he denounced socialism. i want to show it. >> let me be clear, if we want to beat donald trump and achieve big, progressive goals, socialism is not the answer. i was re-elected --
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>> you heard those boos right there. at state of the union, you applauded president trump that america will never be a socialist country. are you worried that you and john hickenlooper is out of step with your party? >> i think john might not want to have denounce socialism in san francisco. i don't think i'm out of step. i wasn't applauding donald trump. i was applauding the idea that this country will not become a socialist country. i think we have 230 years of being the longest lived democracy on the planet. that's something that we need to preserve and it's becoming harder and harder for us because we have had 40 years of no economic mobility in the united states, 90% of the american people, 90%, george, haven't shared in the economic growth over the last 40 years. for them those periods of economic growth have acted as a recession. as a result, they can't afford the basic commodities of middle class.
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on top of that, if you're poor in this country, the chance of getting in the middle class are lower today than it has been in generations. that's tearing at our democracy. and if we don't figure out a way to begin to address that, to re-establish in this country the idea that when the economy grows, everybody's income grows. we're going to have real problems. i don't think we need to call it socialism or not socialism. it doesn't matter. what we need is a country where everybody has a share in our prosperity. >> but it's not only rhetorical difference, but there were real substantiative differences. medicare for all. the base of the party seems to be going in another direction. >> the twitterverse of the party is going in another direction. the base of the party i'm
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meeting with they don't think we should take insurance away from 180 million people. i don't think bernie is right on that. i think he's wrong. i remember when we voted on obamacare i was there and we all said, if you like your insurance you could keep it, and thousands of people in the country lost it because they had insurance that didn't prevent people with pre-existing conditions from being bounced from their health insurance and it was a political catastrophe. now, we're saying, if you like your insurance, democrats are going to take it away from you and replace it with a government plan, that's not going to be acceptable. if you want universal health care, what i do, and i feel very strongly about this. if we want universal health care i think we're a lot better off saying to american people you have an option to decide whether you want to be on a
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public plan or a nonprofit plan kaiser or a for-profit plan. if we tell the american people, we have to take it away from you before you have universal health care, it's never going to work. single-payer is not a bad idea. it's because we have an existing system of insurance today. if we had no existing system i think we'd be having a different conversation. >> i know you're hoping to be the nominee, so is bernie sanders, can you support him as a democratic socialist if he gets the nomination? >> i can absolutely support him and support him wholeheartedly if it means we're going beat donald trump. >> do you think a democratic socialist can beat donald trump? >> well, i think the only way we'll lose to donald trump is if we disqualify ourselves and that's why -- that's why these issues around how we approach universal health care, how we approach climate change, we as democrats, we have to build a
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broad constituency in the country. not just of democrats but republicans and independents to overcome trump. we should have never lost to trump. we lost to a climate denier. he should have been disqualified from office just on the basis of that. we lost on a jobs requirement to a guy -- promising to drag us back into the 19th century. >> to make this case, you'll have to get on the debate stage. right now, you haven't qualified yet. there are two criteria. 65,000 donors. you need 1% in at least three national polls. they say it could be tough to make this debate, even tougher to make the third debate, where they're going to double that criteria. are you confident you'll be able to get on? >> well, i hope so. i only got in the race four weeks ago. so, george, i'm behind. anyone who wants to help we'd love to have the help.
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i hope the dnc takes a look at this and reconsiders. i have won two really tough races in colorado, a swing state, a purple state in the west. i have chaired the democratic senate committee. i raised a record amount of money while i was doing that. i've been in senate for ten years. and i think the tragedy for, you know, adding voices to democracy if we're basing it on just what people can raise on the internet in just a handful of weeks, i just don't think it makes any sense. you should see, george, the e-mails that people are sending out to try to get fund-raising contributions, i mean the desperation is unbelievable and it has nothing to do with putting democrats into a strategic posture to win the white house from donald trump. which is where i need to be. which is where i think we need to be. >> thank you for sharing your views this morning. >> thank you for having me up next, tensions high in
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donald trump was elected. and pull the u.s. out of the nuclear deal and what a difference we have seen. it was nearly four years ago that the iran nuclear deal was announced. we were on the streets of tehran that night surrounded by iranian people, full of hope. these people are so happy that these punishing sanctions will eventually be lifted. and sanctions were lifted. double-digit growth quickly followed. but today in tehran, there's a little to celebrate, with sanctions back in place the iranian economy is in dramatic distress. here, there seems to be all kinds of goods and plenty of prices are astronomical. prices for red meat and poultry are 57 .higher. vegetables, 47% higher. milk, cheese and eggs, up 37%
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what have the sanctions done to you? >> very bad. very bad. >> reporter: among the young people here, a majority of the population, fears of war seem to be dwarfed by the crippled economy. are you worried about finding a job? >> i'm actually worried about everything in my life right now because i can't see any future ahead of me. >> reporter: we asked iran's foreign minister about trump's so-called maximum pressure campaign when we sat down with him this morning. it looks like it's having a devastating effect on the economy. >> well, president trump has called it in fact economic war. i call it economic terrorism. and the reason i call it economic terrorism is that it targets ordinary iranian people. >> president trump says he wants to talk. he has invited iranian officials to give him a call, how likely is that?
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>> it's not very likely, because talking is the continuation of the process of pressure. he's imposing pressure, this may work in a real estate market. it does not work in dealing with iran. >> if you did come to the negotiating table, would you trust the united states, would you trust president trump? >> the last experience was not very optimistic and does not provide an optimistic perspective for a future agreement. this is what i believe is happening to the international community that is, people think twice before they talk to the united states because they know what they agree to today may not hold tomorrow. >> reporter: on friday, the iaea said iran is in compliance with the original nuclear deal.
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i know you're coming to us from san francisco this morning, site of that state convention yesterday. i want to start by showing everybody, house speaker nancy pelosi speaking, almost getting drowned out by calls for impeachment. >> the report lays out of 11 instances of possible obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. >> now, you've been supporting the speaker as she holds the line against impeachment. but the pressure is building. can you hold the line? >> well, look, i think we're going to do what's right for the country and at this point, the speaker has not reached the conclusion and i haven't had either that it's best for the country to put us through an impeachment proceeding that we know is destined for a failure in the senate. that calculus may change if the president continues to stonewall, and demonstrate his unfitness for office.
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it's in a way even if unsuccessful in the senate the ultimate form of censure in the house. but we're not there yet. and i think if it's close call of putting the country through that. we have an important legislative agenda to try and advance. i think at this point that's still the preferred course. >> but it could still strengthen your hand against the department of justice in court and opening an inquiry isn't the same as reaching a final judgment on impeachment. why does the evidence by mueller require at least opening that inquiry? >> of course, mueller didn't comment on the question of indictment. by the way, i think bill barr is completely disengeneralo
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a criminal, i can't indict him. perhaps he should let the southern district of new york they can say, individual 1, the president of the united states, should be charged when he leaves office. but in terms of the impeachment process, it's not mandated by the constitution, we can avail ourselves of this when the president demonstrates acts of high crimes or misdemeanors. most of his conduct qualifies for that. but at the same time, we have to recognize that the reality that one party, the republican party, has turned itself into a cult of the president's personality and is not likely to act consistent with its constitutional obligations. we have to figure out in that context, is this the right thing for the country? i'm just not convinced, not yet, that's the case. >> what might help is hearing from robert mueller before congress. where do things stand in getting his testimony? >> well, i was disappointed to see during his statement the other day, such a ro found reluctance to testify.
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i understand that, but i think he has one last service to perform. it's not enough merely to speak for ten minutes and say i'm not going to answer questions for the congress and the american people. there are a great many things that aren't in the report. we want to find out what happened to those counterintelligence findings that were sent back to headquarters. what other things did you learn during the investigation that ought to concern us in terms of whether the president is vulnerable to influence from russia? does the president, still, intends to build a trump tower in moscow? is that why that financial inducement, why the president can't criticize putin or take adequate steps to protect our elections. american people have every need to have answered here. i hope bob mueller will understand, as painful as it may be, he has a final duty here to perform. like any other witness and it's
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my hope that he'll do so and it's my hope that he'll do so voluntary. >> and if he doesn't, subpoena? >> well, that would be my recommendation, yes. but i hope that's not the case. that's decision we'll have to make collectively and our leadership when there's use of compulsion, because it may lead to litigation. that's not how this process for bob mueller should end. he's a dedicated public servant. i hope that he'll come and testify voluntarily. >> meantime the attorney general has made it clear he's going to continue this investigation of the investigation. here he was earlier this week. >> sometimes people can convince themselves that what they're doing is in the higher interest, the better good, they don't realize that what they're doing is unethical to the democratic system we have. >> he hasn't reached a final judgment. but he's made it clear that something went wrong at the start of this investigation. >> well, ironically, of course,
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that statement you heard from bill barr is a perfect description of his own conduct. he's will to throw out terms like spying, and pretend that he doesn't know how prejorative that term is. that's the why he's, i think falling into such legitimate criticism for acting as a effecti effectively henchman of the president. you don't talk cavalierly about intelligence agencies spying on presidential campaigns. we can sadly expect that given this power to declassify information now, he'll do so in a selective way to mislead the country and the president's service. no opportunity for rebuttal this time. no further mueller report that will set straight this selective declassification that he may put
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into effect and the fact that he will say, he doesn't want to speculate about what went on early in the investigation until he knows. but he's willing are to speculate that it's spying. tells you all you need to know about how disingenuous he's being with the public. let's hear from the top republican on the house judiciary committee, jim jordan from ohio. thank you for joining us this morning. you just heard chairman schiff there, very suspicious of the attorney general. >> attorney general is going to get to bottom of this. he said four things. four things that i thought, he said there was a failure of leadership at the upper echelon of the fbi. that was definitely true. comey fired. mccabe fired. chief counsel jim baker demoted, then left the fbi. currently under investigation by the justice department. lisa page, demoted and left. and peter strzok demoted and
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then fired. there was definitely a failure of leadership at the upper echelon of the fbi. then he said three other things that everyone should pay attention to -- spying did occur. he said, second, that there's a basis for his concern about the spying that took place. maybe most important, he used two terms that should scare all your viewers, unauthorized surveillance and political surveillance. he's going to find out if all that actually happened. the evidence seems to suggest it did. >> we don't know that yet. we'll find out his review. in the meantime, we heard from robert mueller. he laid out four incidences in the obstruction of justice. obstructive act, connection to an investigation. corrupt intent. does that concern you? >> look, bob mueller had 22 months, $30 million, 19 lawyers, 40 fbi agents, 500 witnesses, 2800 subpoenas if he could have established obstruction he would have done it.
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he couldn't do it. that wasn't his finding. regardless of what the officer of counsel told him at the department of justice, what they could do with the sitting president or not, if he could have accomplished obstruction of justice he would have done it. he didn't do it. bill barr said that, there wasn't obstruction of justice. department attorney general rod rosenstein said the same thing. >> that wasn't robert mueller said and he laid out the evidence. are you concerned enough to take a look at the evidence? >> no, i read the report. but what i want to look at -- this is what bill barr wants to look at. i want to look at how this whole thing started. i want to look -- why they put someone next to george padapoulos. i want to learn about that and i want to learn about why they didn't tell the fisa court. this is something that i want to ask bob mueller if he ever comes
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and testifies. did you actually explore the dossier? they took the dossier to the secret court. didn't tell the court the guy who wrote it, christopher steel was desperate to stop trump. >> they did say there was indication of political motive behind the funding of the dossier. but you wanted to hear from robert mueller. you believe he should testify? >> that's up to jerry nadler. i know this, i got questions for him. the one question most americans want to know -- when did you first learn there was no collusion? the central charge of -- the central task was to find if there was any collusion between the trump campaign -- >> he said he didn't look at collusion. that's what he said. in his report, he didn't examine that question, he couldn't establish a conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia. >> okay, so, when did you know there was no conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia? we knew when we deposed comey.
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when he deposed jim koem ya he said all the way up until the day he was fired, he said there was no evidence. between the trump campaign and russia. that was after ten months of fbi investigating him, that was after using the dossier to spy on the trump campaign via carter page. so, after ten months, if they couldn't establish collusion, how long did it take bob mueller? and if you learned this early on, why did you wait almost two years before you told the country that there was no conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia to influence the election? after all, that was your central task of this entire special counsel investigation. that's a question the whole country has for bob mueller. >> he didn't bring in an indictment of roger stone until the end of the process. >> i don't know. but i do know what jim comey told us. he said after ten months of the fbi looking into this, they had no evidence of any type of
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conspiracy or coordination or collusion between the trump campaign and russia to impact the 2016 election. how long did it take bob mueller? 19 lawyers, most of them were democrats who were out to get the president. how long did it take him to figure out? i think that's a question most members and frankly most people in this country would have for bob mueller. >> congressman, thanks for your time this morning. >> you bet. roundtable is up next. we'll be right back. is up next. we'll be right back.
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democrats can no more keep a promise to take us back to the 2000s or the 1990s than conservatives can keep a promise to take us back to 1950s. >> let invest in hope in these places. we don't need a crime bill, we need a hope bill. >> some say if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. the time for small ideas is over.
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>> democrats in california taking their first shots at the front-runner joe biden. let's talk about it on our roundtable. joined by matthew dowd. rachael bade. lanhee chen. jen psaki. matt, it's interesting to watch the footage yesterday from the democratic convention yesterday. we're heading into a new phase of this democratic race. >> it doesn't necessarily represent the audience. activists are much different than somebody in new hampshire. i think still we don't understand fully what they really want. do they want a new progressive? that's still unknown. i think we're in a new era, a new time, mainly because we're about to start the debates.
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and i think those debates are going to separate the top four, five from everybody else. the first ones this month, then july, then the ones on abc in september. i think that's the time when somebody that's not the top tier right now can break through and come through in this. or, elizabeth warren can separate herself from bernie sanders and how joe biden does. i think the debates will determine where we go. >> a more fundamental question, jen, for joe biden, can he be the candidate of change which usually works for democrats? >> it's more challenging for him, no doubt. i think, you know, he was criticized for not going to california. he made the decision to go to ohio, and that's a strategic call. but i think for joe biden, i've watched a lot of his speeches, he's appealing to
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people, lot of it feels like the kind of speeches that john kerry gave in 2004, he'll need to update his message and give a more forward-looking message. i think they're thinking about that internally, which is good, but right now -- they're factoring in nothing changing with the rest of field. matt said, seeing some of the candidates rise, have been doing a lot of town halls, very fresh with the kind of questions that will come up like pete buttigieg. they could have good moments in even a beto o'rourke who's been off the radar. they could have good moments in the debates and i think joe biden has to be prepared for that. >> rachael, this debate over impeachment. we saw nancy pelosi get drowned out there. but within her caucus she still has a lot of support. >> that's right, and pressure is building on her after robert mueller said verbally what he had written. which is, he couldn't make a decision on obstruction and basically kicked it to congress. people saw that as referral and pelosi is the boss. pelosi doesn't want to go there. she's worried the senate would acquit him.
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there's all evidence showing they would. there's a split screen. in these swing districts, lot of attention being paid to california and you know what happened yesterday, with people saying impeach, impeach. impeach. i was out in some of these trump districts that were held democrats that make up pelosi majority this week, no one was talking about mueller and no one was bringing up impeachment. >> that's why she calls it a gift to donald trump. is it really a gift? does he want to be impeached? >> well, i think it's a gift because it feeds into the kind of energy that the president, you know on the campaign trail, when he's out there doing events, the more he feeds off energy off the democrats, they want to impeach me, yes, that helps his cause. frankly, that's really in his wheelhouse. more broadly speaking, though, i think that the challenge for democrats is, presenting an alternate vision, right, that's
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really what this campaign needs to be about. the more they're talking about impeachment and trump and mueller the less opportunity they have to present -- >> how do they balance this out, for a lot of democrats who read the whole report, they look at obstruction of justice, you can't send a message that a president is above the law, how do they balance out the politics versus their responsibilities as members of congress? >> first, both sides of the aisle, i think, should be confronting this. we have a tendency to ask the democrats what will you do on impeachment. and we let the republicans off the hook. >> congressman jordan said he's not concerned. >> as opposed to one of his members, justin amash. i think that's a question, too, for the republican side of the aisle, are you unwilling to hold the republicans accountable in any of? i think the democrats -- if you listen to the democrats on the campaign trail, they talk very little about impeachment,
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they talk about guns, which is obviously in news today, healthcare and a lot of other issues. the president should be held accountable. impeachment is one option. but there are many other options to hold the president accountable. a and we as congress are going to pass legislation that we tried to do over the course of the last three months and investigate. that's the way to talk about it. >> and is it inevitable? is speaker pelosi, as more events unfold, perhaps the testimony of robert mueller, have no choice to at least open proceedings? >> i think the door is still open. the perception that pelosi has closed the door is wrong. there's certainly a building -- building support for impeachment. but i think pelosi, also, she's gotten to where she is because she has very astute political instincts and sh her calculation is this is not the way to do it.
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her position won't change. she'll still have members with her. >> one of the questions, will she be able to get robert mueller testify? >> yeah, they're in a pickle. everybody thought, after the report came out, mueller would be the one bright spot, they would be going to war with white house. block testimony from aides that had talked to him, documents, but everybody thought mueller would come in. he's made it clear he doesn't want to and there's a reluctance, i hear it when i talk to my sources, about subpoenaing him. they're basically saying, they might have to. because he's not willing to appear in public. but they don't want him -- to look like he did something wrong. they could look overaggressive. and some people frankly privately want to move on. and so this is an issue, though, because americans overwhelming three-quarters of americans want to see mueller testify. they want to hear from him. when he speaks he has an impact.
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we saw that last week. you know, it's an issue for them. >> do you think mueller misjudged his old friend and colleague, william barr, in the way he characterized the mueller report? >> perhaps, perhaps. it's always difficult because now the attorney general is in a different position than when he and mueller first developed that relationship. but, look, i think the question on mueller is, do we actually think he's going to say anything else of substance? he said the report speaks for itself. he's aware of the fact that he's restricted from revealing what might be a currently operative case, if there's grand jury information, he's probably not allowed to reveal that, either. so, what do we expect bob mueller is going to tell us or members of congress in moving the ball forward? >> it does, though, lot of americans haven't read the report and that's having him up there at the witness stand
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talking about don mcgahn getting a call from the president and saying, you got to get rid of mueller. i mean, that's -- there's a difference, you know, democrats say there's a difference between reading the book and watching the blockbuster film. i think we saw that last week. >> mueller's message was, you have everything you need, just read the report. his message was, i put it all together. congress, do your job. read the report. read the report. read the report. i think you're right, the vast majority of americans haven't read the report. i think bob mueller's right. you have what you need. now decide. >> i would say this is clear, easy call for democrats. i was very surprised by how muted they were when bob mueller said he wasn't going to testify. they need to push on it and subpoena him if needed. there are some clear questions that can be asked that he can give yes or no answers to. he give a little bit more context.
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there's more that needs to be said. for him, we owe him a great deal of thanks. but his duty of the public service is not done. we can't accept it. you can't say you're letting the president of the united states off the hook and then drop the mic and go on vacation. he owes us more. >> this relates to impeachment as well. democrats say they need to build the case to the public. the public is not onboard with impeachment right now. in order to do that, if they want to do that, they got to have people testifying and people in the witness chair and they haven't had any -- >> if i were the democrats, george, tomorrow morning i'd be talking about gun reform. after what happened in virginia beach, give this break for 24 hours about bob mueller, we had another tragedy, we passed a bill in the house. it's time to act, republicans, on this. >> in the meantime, the president is talking about tariffs and mexico. about to relaunch his campaign as well in a come of weeks. lanhee, i want to talk about that. he has clear sailing now. john kasich this week said he's
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not going to challenge him and larry hogan said he not going to challenge him. the economy still a strength for the president. is he putting it at risk with these calls on tariff on china and mexico? >> i think this is the big challenge for the president. is he trading off some short-term potential gains for long-term trouble in the economy? if you think about the tariffs, an argument in short term, he gets mexico to table on immigration. willing to make some concessions on immigration. but in the long term, that he doesn't get the american revised trade deal. with china, he wants that short-term deal at the expense of the longer term relationship with china. what's going to happen to the economy? how much is this going to be self-inflicted? i think the president has an opportunity here to focus on some of these economic themes. but by mixing for example, immigration with trade now, i
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think he's putting that at jeopardy. >> hitting his own voters across the midwest. also, the stock market isn't the economy. since he's been talking about these tariffs, 5%, 6% drop. >> the politics of the economy is to build on what you were saying, i mean, the imports are not just avocados, right, they are autoparts and trucks and manufacturing parts, and states like michigan and parts of the midwest as you said, there are places in the country that could be deeply impacted by tariffs. its a won't address the root cause issues. maybe in the short term mexico may come to table, i don't know, i'll be surprised, but at the same time, he's still threatening to cut off funding to honduras and a lot of these country where people are coming over because they're facing such terrible conditions. this is a short term gain in that regard. >> i think his instincts on the trade deals back in the campaign were actually right on, which is the trade deals over the last 20 years have not necessarily
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benefited working-clas especially in the industrial midwest, they felt suffered under these trade deals. helped big business but not working class. but i agree with lanhee, there doesn't seem to be real strategy here. long-term strategy of how we put together deals. >> to build on that point the president just hours before he announced those tariffs had actually signaled to congress he wanted them to work on revised nafta. >> bipartisan. both republicans and democrats are very confused by these moves. i think the one strategy we could see from this, again, reinforcing the 2020 for trump is all about immigration, to do something at the border. he has gotten rid of leaders at the dhs, he has threatened to cut off aid to these countries. nothing is working. now he's trying to shift the blame to mexico. to say it's their fault. what needed to happen he needed to do a bipartisan deal with congress. he walked away from the table on
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immigration when it came to a bipartisan deal. >> that seems like that's not going to happen any time soon. that's all we have time for today. thank you all very much before we go, we honor fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. in the month of may, one service member died overseas supporting operations in afghanistan. and that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma.
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