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>> donald adults learn not to interrupt. >> i ow. >> the lines are very,very clear. marco right now supports citizenship for 12 million people here illegally. >> for number of weeks now ted cruz has been telling lies he lied about ben carson in iowa. he lied about -- he lied about marriage. he's lying about -- now he makes things up. >> dickerson: six remaining republicanan candidates faceoff just week before the crucial south carolina primary. >> i got to tell you this is just crazy. this is just nuts. >> dickerson: we'll hear from two of those candidates donald trump and marco rubio about the debate and the political fall out calling the death of supreme court conservative antonin scalia who died saturday at the age of 79. then we'l check win bernie sanders s the latest development in the democratic race. we'll have brand new cbs
all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good mornings, welcome to "face the nation" from the center here in greenville, south carolina. at last night's republican debate was anything but peacefef. the reputaon for brasss knuckle candidatesthey took their brawling primary on to the stage. donald trump was on the offensive attacking george w. bush for the war in iraq. >> obviously the war in iraq is a big, fat mistake george bush made a mistake. we can make mistakes. but that one was a beauty. we should have never been in iraq. have deststilized the middle east. >> dickerson: you still think he should be impeached. >> do whatever you want you call it whatever you want i want to tell you they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. there were none. they knew there were none. there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> dickerson: okay. all right. >> i am sick and tired of him going after my family. while donald trump is building a reality tv show, my brother was
keep us safe. i'm proud of what he did. he's had the gal to go -- >> world trade center came down during your brother's dash. >> dickerson: our cbs battleground tracker shows donald trump with a big lead going into the fifil week fore the primary here in south carolina. 4%. ted cruz follows at 20%. marco rubio is at 15. among the rest of the field john kasich has 9% support. jeb bush and ben carson are tied at 6. poll was conducted before last night's debate. we sat down wi donald trump last night immediately after the dedete asked him how it lookeded om his end. >> it was interesting. i mean, they were shooting at me because i'm leading by a lot i found it to be an amazing evening, i thought it was fascinating, actually. i actually liked it as they say, i one many of the debate this might have been my best performance. interesting thing as i was being
but i think it was probably my best performance. >> dickerson: it seems, though, in some of the things in your campaign moderated you seem to recognize the fact that people might be turned off by constant fighting. >> i do. i went to ivy league school, i know how to be behave. i can be so politically correct you would be bored to tears, john. but i truly understand thahabut at the same ti when somebody comes at you with lies, lot of lies out there, when you look at what cruz did in iowa with the voter -- i don't know if you saw it voter violation, made up the fraudulent -- came to a government demanding that people go out and vote for cruz. when you look at what he did to ben carson. they have to be called out. these are dishonest people. dickerson: you mentntned that the world trade centerer cameme down during george w. bush's watch. are you blaming him for -- >> not blaming him. the cia and other groups, the cia said there was lot of information that something like that was going to happen.
it's a tragedy. horrible. worst in our country's history, worse than pearl harbor, tataing about civilians not military. thousands of people killeda horror show. now, could he have done something about it? the cia knew about things happening, you could have said, we were safe under his brother. his brother got us into the war in iraq which is one of the worst catastrophes ever. the weapons of mass destruction. the e rld trade center camam down during his reign. you cannot say we were safe under his reidn and the cia said something that was going to happen. >> dickerson: when you say that he lied as you did, weapons weren't there -- >> there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> dickerson: this i ithe dedecratic partyline. >> look. i'm a businessman, built a great company, i'm funding my campaign, people in the audience
was all these people which is fine. it's fine but really not appropriate. but the people in the audience were lobbyists and special interest people. i don't have any of those people because i'm putting up my own momoy. i tell the e uth. there werere no weapons of f ss destruction. i'm not blaming anybody i'm just saying he went in there, he thought there were weapons of mass destruction, maybe or maybe he didn't, okay? but he thought -- there weren't. i'm telling the truth. >> dickerson: you said he lied that's -- >> but 23 he knew there weren't weapons of mass destruction and he used that asasan excuse to go in and tryryo make up fofo some sins for previous years, then it would be a lie. but i don't think -- maybe that's true, maybe it isn't true. >> dickerson: impeached. you wouldn't own that any more. you would want -- in 2008 you thought they were -- >> let me tell you something. the war in iraq is a disaster. it started the chain of events that leads now to the migration, maybe the destruction of eueupe. started the war in iraq, amam i
i'm a republican, i'm a conservative, but the truth is, that we started the war in iraq. we spent $2 trillion on that war. we lost thousands of lives. we have wounded warriors all over the place. it shouldndn have started. uld have been so much better off. if you had saddam hussein who is bad guy, but killing terrorists, now, if you want to become a tourist you go to iraq that's like the harvard of terrorism, okay? so, look, it was not a great job. people can say he's popular, i don't know why he's popular also have economic cocoapse at the end of his term. at economic collapse ge us barack obama, without that collapse we wouldn't have had barack obama. >> dickerson: let me ask you about politics, now. you had a tough ad hitting senator cruz saying he couldn't be trusted you pulled it down, but i just watched it on tv. >> no, i pulled it down because i wanted to be nice, i wanted to
then i saw him negative ad, ii put it ck up. it's honorable ad, he's a nasty guy. people don't like him. think of it, united states senator, you have a lot of friends that are in the senate, in this case he doesn't have any friends. doesn't have one endorsement from one u.s. senator these are people that work with him. how can that be possible? you also have questioned his christianity. is that a christian thing to do? >> i say. this you can't lie then hold up the bible. okay? consistently lies. what he did to ben carson was a disgrace. what he did with the voter violation, which is a fraud. is a disgrace. you can't do that, you can't hold up all of these values and hold up the bible and then lie. >ickerson: speaking o o holding up the ble you promised not to use profanity any more. >> i've always done it just as way of emphasis and had fun doing it. running politics we can't do it. i get standing ovations the other night, i got standing ovations.
didn't use the word. i explained that tonight, i hope. >ickerson: you used a afew other words. >> not big deaea. yoyoknow, jeb bush goes on, he said he's going to rip down his pants and moon everybody on the street. moon everybody. nobody writes about it. it's in couple of papers but nobody writes about it. that's far worse. going to rip down his pants and moon everybody? this is a presidential candidate. >> dickerson: seems like race to the bottom to me. >> it's terrible. i think it's terrible. but i didn't say it he did. >> dickerson: he wononew hampshire. give me your sense of the campaign right now >> i thi we're doing great. i just don't people to do robo calls like an example, i deal with manhattan real estate. these people are babies compared to the politics. robo calls put out. i'm leading by a plot as you know. robo calls put out by we think cruzuzt was one of his top peopop. saying donald trump is not going to be running in south carolina, vote for ted cruz. that's a fraud.
little bit of microphone out there. what i have is i'm able to explain to people that it's a lie. a lot of people couldn't do it. ben carson wasn't able to do that, they hit him very quickly. took away a lot of votes. >> dickerson: your tax returns, when are you going to see them? >> we're working on it very hard. they will be very good. >> dickerson: come out after the nominations. >> i'm the first one to put my financial statement out. i put out financial statement with no extensions, with no anything. i have one the world's most complicated tax returns, it's a massive return. but i will get it done as soon as i ian. remember this, when i did my financials which are much more important, when i did my financials everybody thought it would take a year to put them out. i put them out in 30 days everybody was very impressed with them. >> dickerson: the money that you raised what is the status that have? >> giving away a lot of it. much is given away. >> dickerson: how much? >> i don't know. i can tell you -- i don't know. lot just going from the people that made e directly tohe veterans groups. but much of f is -- millions
very proud of it. >> dickerson: drum, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> cbs news conducted overnight poll of what republicans and independents to gauge their reaction to the debate. respondents thought marco rubio was the winner with 32%. donald trump was in second with 24%. john kasich came in thirirwith 19% support. ted cruz behind him at 12%. ben carson at 8%. jeb bush at 5. joining us this morning is winner that have debate at least according to our poll. florida senator marco rubio, what was it like on the stage for you? seemed raucous. >> it was interesting debate. i think it's the smallest stage 've had now with six people. more time for everyone to speak, it happened on the night that justice scalia left us and passed away i thought that added some somber seriousness to the beginning of the debate. then get into some of the differences. when donald and jeb going at it a little bit, jeb and donald and ted a little bit as well it was a little different from the other debates ithink.
too.o. >> dicrson: you called senator cruz a liar. >> well, he's lying. obviously in the last couple weeks he has really exhibited this very troubling tendency to say things that aren't true, just making things up. this week alone had to pull an ad because it didn't tell the truth about my position about sank could you ware cities. liededbout my position on marriage and planned parenthood. he's not being honest about previous position on immigration. he tried to portray as some sort of purist his record is something very different. these things are being exposed now. it's really a troubling trend. >> dickerson: what do you think that means in terms of the presidency, though? >> i think it means someone is willing to say or do anything to win an election. even if it's not true. i i ink it's going totrouble people deeply. we all want to win but you can't just make things up. and if you have a campaign that's willing to do things like what he did to ben carson in iowa, what he apparently is doing here now according to donald trump with robo calls, i don't know. but donald mentioned that.
conduct yourself especicily in high intensitit situtuions. i think it's ry troubling. i hope he'll stop doing it. >> dickerson: you are here in the debate and chris christie wasn't you had quite an exchange in new hampshire, the fact that you survived he didn't, what does that mean? >> ultimately debate wasn't the reason why chris is not in the race now, he'll have to answer that. i like chris christie i think he has a future in public servicic beyoyo being governorof new jersey. i don't think we've heard the last of his service, it was very unour year. any other year chris christie would be front runner but we had all these people running, just worked out the way it did. i wish him the best. >> dickerson: what do you think of john kasich's point that the bickering is going to help hillary. >> ultimately. they had pretty intense debate betwtwn her and bernie sasaers as well let's's t forget that barack obama and hillary clinton said horrible things about each other he ended up winning she ended up working for him. but i would prefer the debates be all about policy. if you watch i never launched
if i'm attacked i need to respond that was mistake a made a week ago when i didn't. i should have responded about chris' cord. you get pummmmed for that. i don'tt like it. but unfortunately 134 times you have to do it because people are saying things that just aren't true. >> dickerson: ask you about replacement to justice scalia, what is going to happen there, do you think? the president said he's going to nominate someone. >> he can nominate someone. the senate is not moving forward on it until after the election. majority leader already made that clear i agree with that. there's been precedent establblhed over 08 years ininthe last y yr, especially in the last 11 months you do not have lame duck president make lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. we'll have election in november. this vacancy will be an issue, voters will get to weigh in then choose a new president then that new president which i expect will be me, will then be able to nominate someone and work with the senate to cocoirm. >> dickerson: don't the voters weigh in when they pick the president in the first place his powers extend until the last day
>> this is lifetime appointment. not a law you can reverse, this is not a policy you can undo. they're going to be there until they die or leave. that is a very serious thing. so, the president can decide whatever he wants but i'm just telling you the senate is not momong forward. >> dickerson: if you were president would you have ha last year moratorium. >> i would understand, yeah. in fact not just for the supreme court there's practice that in the last eight months of the presidency or nine you stop doing appellate courts as well. i would respect that practice. >> dickerson: if you had -- if you were pad you had nominee to put forward would there bea litmus test? i god governor bush,, conservestives have said justices who are conservative -- >> not about your views on thish auto us it's very simple. does the justice that we're nominating have consistent and proven record of interpreting the constitution as initially meant. what does society that wrote those words -- what do those
the time in which those words were written in the constitution. that's what i want to have out of justice that looks at legislation says, what was the meaning mind this legislation when it was passed by congress. if you don't like the meaning, then there's a practice, constitution provides a process to change the constitution lled article v it gives you a ocess for changing the constitution. i'm looking for people that are going to look at the constitution and apply it and interpret it based on the original meaning of the words in that document. >> dickerson: talk about politics a little bit. you did well in iowa, less well in new hampshire. how well do you have to do in south carolina and when you have to put a stake in the win column? >oing to get into the weeds here onpolitics early on. in these early states it's all proportional. if you look what happens in new hampshire, i finished in fifth but same number of delegates as person who finished in fourth and third. same in iowa. only one less delegate than person who finished in first. in these proportional states we
delegates and do consistently wewe. oncecee get inin the winin or take all now stakes become much higher. for us i think it's continuing to do well in these early states. get ourselves in the strong delegate position then really give ourselves the opportunity when race is narrowed to do real well. >>ickerson: is it a one-two process, i iother words, basically best governor bush and kasich to be alalrnative en take on donald trump? >> except if you look at it one of the reason why i'm the candidate that gets attacked by everyone in this race, i've been attacked by ted cruz, attacked by chris christie, attacked by jeb bush, i get attacked by everybody. because i believe our message one that appeals to voters across the republican party. so, i think that's why ultimately i am the only one left in th race that can bring this party together quicicy and then grow the conservative movement. i've never viewed myself in one on one competition with anyone on that debate stage last night. i have a message that i believe appeals to voters supporting everyone.
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the law. nominated by president reagan, justice scalia shaped the conservativeegal movement with his sharp intellect and his clear colorful writing. like his dissent calling the court's decision upholding obamacare, pure apple sauce. one of his most significant decisions s r the court that thehe second amendmeme guarantees an individual right to bear arms. he told ""60 minutes" lesley stahl he couldn't imagine doing anything else. >> when i first came on the court, i thought i would foresure get off as soon as i could, which would have been when i turned 65. because, you knkn, jujuices retire at full salary. so there's no reason not to leave and go off and do something else. i cannot think of what i would do for an encore, i can't think of any other job that i would find as interesting and as satisfying. >> reporter: but almost immediately after the news of his death broke the fight began
court t w is divided 4-4. and republicans already are vowing to block whoever the president sends up. john? >> dickerson: janf they do block the person, what happens to the court? >> reporter: i think that is a very likely scenario that we will not have a ninth justice on the supreme court for the indefinite future thth means that the wer court decision all of these controversial cases that the justices will be hearing this term, that decision will remain. so, we are going to have cases this term on affirmative action, 'boring, the future of obamacare, on labor unions, it is a docket chalk full of controversy. but the already court decision if the court split 4 uld stand. it means that all the controvey some ways that we expect here at the court now will be shifted across is the where the fight will be in congress. >> dickerson: all right, jan crawford, thanks so much.
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>> dickerson: we're back in south carolina. where democrats will hold theiei primary a weekekafter repeplicans february 27thth our cbs news battleground tracker shows hillary clinton with a wide lead here over bernie sanders at 59% to 40%. senator sanders joins us now from denver, colorado. senator, you hear you have quite a bit of work to do here in south carolina. how do you expect to close the gap between youand secretary clinton? > well, we have thousands of volunteers in south carolina. we're to knock wrong doors, making phone calls, if you look at that poll, john, what you'll see is that we have already made up a significant difference. the gap used to be much larger, momentum is with uss we're going to do quite well in south carolina and by the way we are
>> dickerson: you have a large share if you look inside of the polls you have a large share where voters but having difficulty within african american community. you've been trying to address that. talk about what you've been trying to do and if you've been able to make any progress with african american voters? >> well, i think we certainly have. we started off way, way behind with the african american community. we have closed that gap, still have a long way to go. we have brought on surrogates, we're doing fantastic job for us of people like ben gellous former head of the naacp we have a former stata senator from ohio who has been out there. keith ellison the cochairman of the progressive caucus in the u.s. house we have just great surrogates out there. we are going to speaking in african american communities in
going to see a lot of momentum fofous. >> we have just a minute left, i want to ask you, what is your path when you look at going forward to states after south carolina, where should those who support you be looking for you to do well? >> well, you know, i think we surprised a lot of people in iowa.. john, as you may recall, we started offf 40 or 50 points behind. we certainly surprised people in new hampshire. and i think we're going to continue to surprise people. right now speaking to you from denver, colorado. last night we had a rally, close to 0,000 people out at that rally i think we're going to do very well here in colorado. i think we're going well inin minnesota. i think you u e going to see us doininfar better across the board. >> dickerson: all right, senator hold it right there. we'll be back with more from you
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stay with h . >> dickerson: welcome book i'm john dickerson in greenville, south carolina, where a republican debate was held. beer back now with more from senator bernie sanders on the democratic race. senator sanders s fore we get back to the popotical questions i want to k you about the president's replacement for antonin scalia what do you think will happen? he's going to nominate somebody but republicans have said they're going to let it sit.
beyond my comprehension and just speaks the unbelievable level andunprecedented leveve of republicanan obstructionism against obama from day one. this is not something that is in debate. the constitution of the united states of america provides that the president appoints, nominates, a supreme court justice. and then the senate holds hearings and deliberation and votes on whether or not to approve that nomimition. the idea that republicans want to deny the president of the united states is basic constitutional right is beyond my comprehension. i will do everything that i can to make sure that when the president makes his nomination, the senate goes forward in as speedy a process as possible. holds the necessary hearargs and hopefully appoints and selects the president -- the supreme court justice that the president
senator, do the democrats have though if the republicans in majority they decide to slow walk this, what could democrats do? how far could it go? well, think should do everything that t can. i think the main leverage that we have is rallying the american people. look, you could be conservative, you can be a progressive. but you cannot allow, we cannot allow the republican majority in the senate to deny the president his basic constitutional right. there are very important cases that need to be heard that are not going to be determined if we do not have a ninth member of the supreme court. i think the issue is taking the situation to the american people. and i think fair minded americans no matter what their political point of view will be say this is absurd. this is obstructionism. this is notwhat democracy and whwh the congress is supposed d be about. >> dickerson: let me switch back to politics with you.
hampshire and delegate counts came out showed that you picked up some delegates in new hampshire, but because hillary clinton has so many of those superdelegates the numbers look quite tilted in her favor. what is your overall feeling about superdeleges and their role in the minating process? >> well, look, john, we are taking on the establishment, democratic establishment in virtually every state that we're running. most of the establishment in fact is with hillary clinton. but this is what i think. i think if we continue to do well around the country and if superdelegates whose main interest in life is to make surere that wedo not have republican in the white hoe if they understand that i am the candidate and i believe that i am, who is best suited to defeat the republican nominee i think they will start coming over to us. i will also say this, that i think you can get a sense of the notice within the clinton campaign now using their super pac money, funded largelyy by
so i think they understand that in this campaign we have mow men and superdelegates are perceiving them. >> dickerson: who are not bound they could switch, even though they committed them selves for the mom to hillary clintoto any warning signals from them coming to you? just met with a couplele last night. >> dickerson: wow, that sounds encouraging, senator sanders we appreciate you being with us. we'll look forward to talking to you again soon. >> thank you are very much. dickerson: we'll be right back with more results from our
hydro boost. from neutrogena >> dickerson: we're back with more of our battleground tracker poll and cbs news elections director anthony salvanto. we'll start with the republicans, we've got iowa and new hampshire in the books heading into south carolina. what does it look like? >> donald trump is up here. he is up big. now, his lead is about the same as i is been but derneath that leadadhe strength of his support has grown. so among his supporters, ones who say they are now firmly committed to him is up from last month. this looks like the anatomy, this is what momentum looks like. last month they said, in order to us to be he has to convince methat he can win. well, what happened, he up with in new hampshire, he won big. you see that movement i think it
then also see he's up here with couple of key groups, namely conservatives and evangelicals. his lead with evangel pals has grown over the last month. morere certained about ---- as we learned in iowa. that said, those are two key groups, evangelicals make up majority of the electorate re that underpins the support. >> dickerson: we've been, you and i talking about more months the durability of donald trump's support. it's what allows him to survive every time something hpens and people think, well this will now hurt hihi it sounds likekethat is only getting more durable. ted cruz let's talk about him for a moment he's the one trying to make inroads into those groups, evangelicals, conservatives, very conservatives, how is he doing after his showing in iowa? >> well, he's got the very conservative here. that is the one subset of conservatives which is up. that followswshe pattern outof iowa. some degree out of new hampshire.
where he's tried to reinforce that if you want the real conservative. if you want -- check the boxes on what conservatives are looking for. donald trump isn't really competing in that same space. donald trump is competing more as e person who can fix ings. attacking donald trump, knot having conservative, that hasn't quite taken hold yet here. @what about the non-donald trump, non-ted cruz lane, some people call the establishment lane, the mainstream candidates, how do they sort out? >> first of all we saw a bump for john kasich he went from 2% up to 9% here. heheactually does particularly well aming non-evangelicals and specifically among folks who say they would like the next republican nominee to compromise and negotiate more with democrats to get things done. of course trouble for him is, that's a minority here.
somebody to stand up more for democrats. heheay be limited. >> dickerson: there's limited group for kasich in south carolina, that's important because he needs to do well in say a south carolina to get a little momentum what about rubio, where do things stand for him? >> he's in third with 15%. one of the challenges for him coming out of the last debate before last night and even u saw in our instant poll, being prepared for the presidency. he's middle of the pack on that. he's a little lower, even lower than jeb bush in that regard. so that's his challenge going forward, you can build that up probably build momentum. >> dickerson: clinton. >> sandra:ers what does it look like? >> still big for hillary clinton as youou mentioned in your interview with brands. very clearly the african american vote here is what is underpinning her lead. now, we've got a different electorate here, african american vote will mac up majority of that democratic vote coming up in two weeks.
bernie sanders is with that vote i see most african americans say that they feel like they know hillary clinton very well. but by comparison very few say that they know bernie sanders very well. so you might see that as a challenge for him because he's got to introduce himself. but you also might see that as an opportunity as he mentions in his interview if he can introduce himself. >> dickerson: are you suggesting her support isn't superr durable he could grab some of it? >> i think tha is the chalalnge for him. yet his support is businessed in some of the same things we saw in new hampshire and in iowa. he beats hillary clinton on the honest and trustworthy question. although here both candidates are seen as honest and trustworthy. and he still wings among young voters a a white voters it's's quqution of what the shaha of the electorate is re. as you mentioned in his interview as we head south in this race just aren't that many
stay with h . >> dickerson: we're back. peg knee noonan is columnist for the wall street street journal. dan balancing is chief washington correspondent for the "washington post." kim strassel columnist forthe "walalstreet journal" one of our moderators at last night's debate. and jamelle bouie chief political correspondent and cbs political news analyst. all four of you here we are on the stage where there was so much excitement last night. i don't want anyone calling anyone else a liar. peggy, give us your reaction, what happened last night? >> it was lyons and tigers and bears, oh, my, it's what happens when a field -- uncoordinated field of 17 suddenly becomes six men who are really fighting and really want it.
to me there were two headlines. one is, donald trump didn't just have controversial or interesting remarks to say on the invasion of iraq. by going into, looking at jeb bush saying your brother lied to get us in there and also he was president during 9/11 and he should have made us safer. to me he was getting into or he was into c ce pink territory. not democratic party territory, not moderate republican. but code pink territory. i'm not sure how that's going to play. i think we may be hearing a bit about it the next few days. second thing was, i know many people think that jeb bush seem strong in his sparks moments with donald trump. bubui think too much jeb bushh falls back on saying he's a 63-year-old man who is
my mom, my dad, my father is the best father in the world. there's something odd and unbecoming about it. we know he loves them and why that's wonderful. trump was talking abut serious issues, i think he should have engaged onthat. >> dickerson: what is your take? >> i agree with what peggy said. this was debate for the ages, you must have felt the heat standing a few feet away. >> dickerson: i didn't realize i needed sun screen. >> it was remarkable. i think to peggy's point, donald trump is clearly not a pure conservative in any stretch of the imagination. and instead of trying to sugar coat that in some way that politician might, he went in the opposite direction last night. in the short term in this state where he has very strong lead may not hurt him. in the longer term as this field narrows it could very well really be a big problem for him. and i also think that the more there was talk about bush and the bush family peggy said, it is a problem for jeb bush
republican party for as much affection for the bush familiar low there is resistance to more bushes. >> i think south carolina is going to be the test of whether or not donald trump can say or do anything and if voters just keep supporting him. because it wasn't just iraq. on a lot of different things much on imminent domain, on america approach to russia. whether you reform it, hs to the left of lot of the party if they just accept that. i think it means that there isn't anything he can say or do that will ever turn off his supporters, portion of the republican electorate. the other thing i did like about last night, all of the talk and the conversations an the fights, the lie, lie, lie, there was a lot of good discussionn policy debates up there about taxes, on entitlements, on foreign policy. it was good because there were only six guys up on the stage.
lot of voters to see a lot more about these candidates than they ever had. >> dickerson: what did you take away from it? >> emphasize peggy's point that this was a real brawl. i grew up watching professional wrestling, reminded nothing so much as cage match between bunch of very able wrestlers. what that said it's true that donald trump is much more to the left on number of issues, mainstream conservative would be. but my hunch is that donald trump is not so much speaking to republican voters as he's speaking to the broader class of american voters. a lot of people agree with nald trump about iraq. lot of people agree with donald trump about president bush's administration. i have this hunch that much of the same way that bernie sanders is in lot of ways not that much different from mainstream democrat but has the sort of the appeal of a not democrat democrat you can still support president obama but nothave to put one for democrat. donald trump is not a republican republican. lot of american they want change
want to endorse things like the iraq war, donald trump offers an option. >> dickerson: naps trump does well here is that it, of to the races, it's done you? mentioned once he he gets further how much of a big thing would it be if he won? >> so much depends on how rapidly the rest of the field winnows as ragion as you have say kick, rubio, bush, competing, continuing to go on the more difficult it becomes for anybody to stop him. but i was talking to terry sullivan who is rubio's campaign manager in the spin room last night, they view, this is a delegate battle as he talked too you in the interview this morning. also basically a matter of survival. that you just keep going and keep going and eventually others will fall away that when you get into the later stages of this campaign when it is winner take all that's the time when the anti-trump faction becomes large enough to carry those states. >> dickerson: based on the stage
ted cruz made the case with donald trump on judges, this is -- get your take how important he said basically nominate a liberal judge and pay attention to that, voters. does that have resonance? >> justice scalia's death so up fortunate this is a moment that focuses all conservative mimis. as you were sitting there watching last night it made everyone realize how important it was that the republicans had won the senate now have ability to do something abut obama nomination it puts the stakes up how important it is going to be to win the white house for them. that was ted cruz's message up on the stage. this is now an issue, this shows you all why we're having t ts debaba. why this isiso importanan and why we've got to win. the question is going to be, whether or not republicans can unite around one of these guys in the end and they do understand those stakes because it does help focus the mind. >> dickerson: let's switch quickly to justice scalia, peggy, what is your sense.
how do you think it plays ouou? >> the first thing is, this is anepical moment. in a divided country more or less with a divided court more or@ less. with a president leaving in ten months. with a major presidential election coming up, what a moment to have the u.s. senate consider and president nsider minating a placement forr a mamawho was really a giant in a way, so much meaning to conservatives in@america who took such comfort in his presence on the court. to me, i think my headline is, wow, this election year is turning -- this is like written by allen drury,this is advice or consent 2016.. so dramatic. i am one of those who think i would love to see the president hold off on a nominee and say, i unrstand all the facts here.
electing the next president, america, just x months. this nominee will depend on the next president you pick. the court can getalong8-8 for a long time. >> dickerson: whato you think about, kim mentioned the role that justices have in the conservative movement. what do you think -- what role do you think it plays in the democratic race? >> this is an opportunity for both sanders and hillary clinton to emphasize the face of this election. i think this divide between candndates as sortof obscure the extent to which there are major differences between the two parties. president obama yesterday said that he fully intends to nominate someone. i think peggy your dream will that have to -- >> i'll stay a awake. >> she's an optimist. >> my hunch is that whoever thee president nominates is the republicans may not even
going to have this eight, nine, ten month period where both democrats are really going to be hammering on this fact, using it to say, you know, who wins november determines the future of civil rights. voting rights of this vast array of m mor issues. i think this ght become the determinative issue of the election and may renoun to hillary clinton's case on the basis of electability. >> dickerson: a chance to play a role in any of the senate races? there are about five or six republicans in blue states, senators who are up in blue states do you think this matters in those states and there for might matter which party controls the senate? >> i think it very well could. we have seen really since bush v. gore the notion that the supreme court not necessarily an impartial arbiter of american society. the court has been politicized and i think even more so as a result of the death of justice scalia.
major debate out the role of e court and the significance of having control of the power, the levers that create the next supreme court. i think it's big not just in the presidential race but also -- >> dickerson: to add to that i think depending how it shapes out that we may look back at 2014 elections being hugely momentous. republicans didn't win majority they won comfortabl majori, if democrats can't make that up this year then supreme court is sort of very open question. >> dickerson: give me your thoughts on democratic race where things stand now. >> bernie sanders is not going quietly into the south carolina wilderness. everyone said he doesn't laugh a chance down here, but he came out very strong out of new hampshire. he's working very hard to get the minority vote down here. he's actually was mentioned earlier there are lot of south
know him. but it is his opportunity and he's not letting that pass. >> dickerson: jamelle you've been on the ground doing some reporting what have you found? >> i f fnd that at least inin this kind of rough area that people are undecided. that precisely because bernie sanders is unknown there's a complicated relationship with hillary clinton and clintons in general. the 2008 primary was very divisivea lot of people have been able to walk past that, others are still sort of like apprehensive. sanders is being given space to make his case. i know that the sasaers' campaign has in rural parts of the state this could be under looked. when people think about african americans tend to think living in urban areas, throughout the south there's lodge populations of rural black americans. and if sanders is organizing in that world then it really does i think change the game. >> dickersononhillary clinton, peggy, does well when she's up against a wall as the argument she's a fighter now she's in a
>> i think the story here might be sanders' momentum but i don't know how big a story it is. mrs. clinton is winning where we are right now by 15 pointscold to the latest battleground that's a little smaller than what she used t t be nning by. are going to find out now if bernie sanders can take a chunk out of her support. going to figure out how much does she have to win by to look like a victor. i'm sure she'll work it really hard, this is important. i think south carolina is where mrs. clinton tries to stop bernie sanders' momentum. dickerson: last 45 5 conds, dan, how rvous are they in clinton camp? reports of panic then more placid. >> i talked to four governors on friday all of whom support hillary clinton. and i was actually surprised the degree to which they still see her on a path to win the nomination. they know what she got beat
know t tt the sanders message has taken hold. they know that she has to make some course corrections but they also believe that as we move farther into the calendar it's going to be advantageous for her. i don't know whether they're being optimistic because they need to be or generally believe that. >> dickerson: we'll see how it all turns out thanks to all of you for joining us here. thanks for all of you out there. we'll be right back.k. one day a rider r de a decision. the decision to ride on and save money. he decided to save money by switching
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state of emergency in effect since november's islamic extremist attacks. security is still high in paris with armed gunmen on the streets and at sites like the famous eiffel tower. for the french, that one horrific night became their 9/11. and like many americans, life may never be the same. scott thuman found the french are discovering g new result and patriotism. -- resuolve and patriotism. scott: paris, november 13, 2015, the sounds of a city under siege. terror groups, targeting parisians at random -- a crowded theater, packed cafes snd restaurants, a major soccer match. 130 dead, nearly 400 injured. and a nation that once survived the occupation of armies was now under attack by a new enemy, in this case, one that didn't wear uniforms and promises to strike again. >> this is paris and i'm an american. scott: the romance of paris isn't just a product of hollywood, it's inherent in the