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[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- amy poehler, host of msnbc's "deadline: white house", nicolle wallace, featuring the 8g band with daru jones. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, se meyers. >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how's everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] in that case, let's say we get to the news. georgia's sixth congressional district held a highly anticipated special election last night between democratic upstart jon ossoff and republican karen handel.
and if you don't know who won, then, baby, you don't know the democrats. [ light laughter ] here is actual footage of democratic jon ossoff last night. [ cheering ] >> seth: i would tell democrats to go back to go back to the drawing board, but it would probably fall on them and kill them. [ light laughter ] following two special election losses for the democratic party yesterday, one democratic congressman said, quote, "our brand is worse than trump." "hey, that's our slogan," said united airlines. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] "today was the longest day of the year," says sean spicer every day. [ laughter and applause ] new jersey governor chris christie said yesterday that he doesn't care about his record-low approval ratings. or apparently his record-high pants. [ laughter and applause ]
a texas man recently changed his last name to trump. and it somehow made him more likable. [ laughter ] discovery channel is promoting its upcoming shark week by promising to have olympic swimmer michael phelps race a great white shark. but don't tell him, it's a surprise. [ laughter ] and finally, a company has developed a smart duvet which could control a person's body temperature. the way it works is you kick it off. [ laughter and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a fantastic show for you tonight. she's the star of the new film "the house." one of our favorites, amy poehler is here, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] so happy to have her here! also, she has worked for president george w. bush as well as on the 2008 mccain presidential campaign. she's currently the host of msnbc's "deadline: white house."
nicolle wallace joins us tonight. [ cheers and applause ] so it's a very exciting night! before we get to all of that, senate republicans have been engaged in one of the most shameless, breathtakingly cynical exercises in political history, writing a health care bill behind closed doors without telling anyone what's in it. and now there are reports that they may vote on it next week. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: you might remember that last month after narrowly passing their healthcare bill in the house, republicans held a giddy celebration in the white house rose garden with president trump, who was so happy to finally get a bill passed, no matter how unpopular, that he could hardly contain himself. >> coming from a different world and only being a politician for a short period of time, how am i doing? am i doing okay? i'm president. hey, i'm president! could you believe it, right? i don't know. it's -- i thought you needed a little bit more -- more time, they always told me, more time, but we didn't. >> seth: no, you did. [ laughter ]
you were less prepared for this job than a high school sophomore working at chipotle. [ laughter and applause ] your white house -- your white house is like a poorly wrapped burrito. it's falling apart and we're all going to get e. coli. [ light laughter ] but since that ceremony, you've probably heard suspiciously little about the gop health care plan. and apparently, that's by design. >> it's the best-kept secret in washington right now, it appears. senate republicans under new pressure this morning to reveal their health care bill -- negotiated in secret, behind closed doors. >> no one has seen what they're coming up with or knows what they're doing. there have been no hearings, no amendments, no public decision on a bill that affects a sixth of the entire u.s. economy. >> who is pulling the strings? who is in charge? who knows what is in that bill? this is a political houdini act. >> seth: yes, it's like a houdini act. and like houdini, i wouldn't be surprised if trump started wearing a straitjacket.
[ light laughter ] "this is definitely for a magic trick. and not because i'm fully insane." [ light laughter ] now, if you're curious why the senate would go to such extraordinary lengths to keep their bill hidden from public view, it's because the bill they're working on is massively unpopular and both democrats and republicans agree. remember, the bill is basically just a giant tax cut for the rich paid for by taking health insurance away from millions of people. the house bill cut medicaid spending by $880 billion dollars to give the wealthiest people a near trillion dollar tax cut. a plan that is so toxic just 8% of americans think the senate should pass the health care bill, as is. 8%! even "the mummy" got a 15% on rotten tomatoes. [ laughter and applause ] this bill is half as good as "the mummy." [ cheers and applause ] in fact -- in fact, "the mummy," might be the health care bill. "doctor, this patient is sick!" "wrap 'em up and put them in the tomb!"
but they still think that if they keep it secret, we won't catch on and they can just pass it. the republican party right now is like a fat guy hiding behind a palm tree. it's like, "hey, we can see you." [ light laughter ] that might be why trump, who repeatedly praised the bill and celebrated its passage at the white house, recently said in a private meeting with gop senators that the bill is "mean, mean, mean." and called it, quote, "a son of a bitch." despite, you know, repeatedly praising the bill in public. >> what we have is something very, very incredibly well crafted. this is a great plan. this is a great plan. but very importantly, it's a great plan. [ laughter ] >> seth: "it's a great plan. in fact, i'm going to read it right here to prove it's not mean and definitely not for the first time. here we go, let's see, 23 million people lose insurance. son of a bitch." [ laughter ] yesterday, white house press secretary sean spicer was asked to explain why trump would call a bill mean that he praised in public. >> can you shed some light on what it is he's not pleased with in the legislation that is being drafted?
and can you also tell us why he would feel that way after holding a press conference in the rose garden supporting the house's version of the healthcare bill? >> i mean, the president clearly wants a bill that has heart in it. >> seth: i don't know. i can't imagine this president saying he wants more heart in anything. he seems like the kind of guy who watches "marley and me" and fast forwards to the ending. [ light laughter ] "melania! marley's about to get what's coming on him! [ light laughter ] oh, i hate you, marley." [ light laughter ] in fact, republican senators willingly admit they have not even seen the text of a bill they could end up voting on as soon as next week. and seem almost blasé about it. like tennessee senator bob corker. >> have you seen the -- the republican health care bill? >> i have not. have you? have you? >> i have not. [ light laughter ] >> seth: why are you asking him? he's a tv pundit. you're a senator. "doctor, what's that spot on my x-ray?" "i don't know. do you?" [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ]
in fact, when health and human services secretary tom price, the guy who was in charge of healthcare policy for the trump administration, was asked about trump's comment calling the bill "mean," he couldn't even offer a straight answer. >> secretary price, you are president trump's top health care adviser. do you agree that the house trumpcare bill is, quote, "mean?" >> again, i think what we need to be taking about in terms of the health system is the constellation of reform -- >> it's a yes or no -- yes or no answer. >> no, it's not a yes or no answer. >> seth: yeah, it is. [ light laughter ] think about that. the health secretary can't say unequivocally that this bill is not mean. that's like if you asked your spouse, "are you cheating on me?" and they say, "well, that's not a yes or no question." [ laughter ] this health care process should be the biggest scandal in america. the process is so indefensible that senator bernie sanders said this last week. he doesn't even have the words to explain what's happening in the senate right now. >> i mean, i am speechless when i try to describe what is going on here. >> seth: and it takes a lot to render bernie sanders speechless.
i don't think i've ever seen bernie completely silent. remember, even when he's not talking with his mouth, he's talking with his eyes. [ laughter and applause ] okay. so go over there and then go over there? and then go -- okay. and then -- oh, okay, okay. even the president himself, the man who first celebrated the bill and then called it mean, has apparently not seen the text of a bill that could reorganize one-sixth of the american economy and take health insurance away from 23 million people. as spicer was forced to admit yesterday. >> has the president seen a draft of the senate health care bill? >> i don't know that. that's -- i know that there was some chatter today. i know the president has been on the phone extensively with the leader and with key senators. so i don't know if he's seen the legislation or not. >> seth: why do we keep asking this guy about the president? [ light laughter ] he clearly has never met him. [ laughter and applause ] i mean, we might as well ask my grandma what lil' wayne is up to.
[ laughter ] "oh, gosh. i don't know, living in a little house?" and when they do share details of what they're working on with staffers or budget analysts, they do so in such secretive ways that those staffers have actually started to complain. the "washington post" reported that some have complained about overly general material and powerpoint presentations delivered quickly during policy lunches. that's how [ bleep ] things are right now. people are complaining about powerpoint presentations being too short! [ laughter and applause ] so republicans will face a choice. the polls have been unanimous. americans overwhelmingly dislike this bill and do not want it to become law. and yet republicans are forging ahead anyway, which would be a colossal mistake. but don't take it from me. take it from bernie sanders' eyes. [ light laughter ] what's that? okay. and then -- all right, great, thank you. this has been "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with more "late night," everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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[ cheers and applause ] so much for joining us. all right, moving on. a "shakespeare in the park" production of "julius caesar", in which caesar resembled president trump, wrapped up it's run this sunday. conservatives around the country were up in arms about it. and last week, multiple performances were interrupted by protesters who rushed the stage. including one who said they did it to, quote, "protect the president's life." which brings us to a segment we call "really!?! with seth and amy." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> really? really, protester? now, let me get this right. you waited in line to get tickets to a play you already hated, and then you watched it for three hours and then you ran on stage to protest. but not the president, but someone who was dressed like the
president from getting pretend stabbed with a fake knife? really!? [ light laughter ] >> seth: really? >> i commend you. you know, if you want to change this country you just can't sit around your house yelling at the tv. you have to get out there and yell at a play. [ laughter ] really?! you know what? you've made actors so upset that daniel day lewis has quit now! [ laughter ] you made lincoln quit! >> seth: really? >> yes! lincoln was a republican, seth. a lot of people don't know that. >> seth: really? >> yeah, really. >> seth: and really, if this portrayal was offensive to anyone, it's caesar. caesar was beloved by the roman empire. to put it another way, he won the popular vote. [ cheers and applause ] he was so popular, we don't use his name for pizza, we use it for pizza pizza. [ laughter ] the only thing caesar and trump have in common is they both have casinos named after them. and really, you could tell that caesar wasn't really trump, because the senate stabbed him instead of just passing his [ bleep ] health care bill. [ laughter ] [ cheers ] >> also, protesters, this is new york city. if you want to interrupt a play, bring your grandpa and let him unwrap a werther's candy for two
hours. [ laughter ] >> seth: really. >> because all you did by running on stage was make a shakespeare production entertaining for once. really?! >> seth: really? >> when you pulled your stunt, that audience was definitely buzzed on rose and this close to passing out. all you did was give them an anecdote to tell at their fancy liberal cocktail parties. "you know, i was at the 'caesar' that was interrupted." >> seth: really? >> really. >> seth: oh! [ light laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> yeah, it was amazing. so strange. >> seth: also, side really, shakespeare in the park. i don't think it was offensive to have a donald trump caesar, but it was a little hacky. i mean, really? if you want to the see a shakespearean drama based on trump, just watch cnn. [ laughter ] now, if you wanted to do "of mice and men" with pence as george and trump as lenny, i would pay to see that. "tell me about the rabbits, mike. i hear they're the best rabbits." [ laughter ] really? also, this is really important. free speech isn't about just protecting speech you like. so if you think it's terrible to interrupt "julius caesar", you have to think it's terrible to interrupt ann coulter, even if
you think she's terrible. >> and she really is! >> seth: really! [ laughter ] and sure, you can make the argument that she's not shakespeare. but if you shut her down, you give her power. and if you let her talk you'll find she's much ado about nothing. really. >> yes! really! [ cheers ] that's true, seth. i mean, she gets to speak, too. liberals cannot be hypocrites when it comes to free speech. neither can conservatives. so, you know, don't whine about this, be okay with it when ted nugent says, "president obama can suck my machine gun." and using my free speech, i'd like to say, you suck, ted nugent. your songs suck. [ light laughter ] and "cat scratch fever" is such a dumb ass stupid song, you dip [ bleep ] [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: really. >> really. >> seth: really. >> so stupid. your music stinks! >> seth: also, this is great. a conservative pundit tweeted that he was going to hold a production of "the salem witch trials" where hillary was burned at the stake. cool, cool. except there is no play called "the salem witch trials." [ laughter ] you're thinking of "the crucible" by arthur miller,
a play he wrote as an allegory about mccarthyism. there, now you have three things to google. [ laughter ] >> also, guess what, bro? you can't burn hillary at the stake. she's already been burned twice. 2008 and 2016. my bitch is teflon now! [ cheers and applause ] really!?! >> seth: really!?! >> really!?! >> seth: really!? >> announcer: this has been "really!?! with seth and amy." [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: we'll be right back with amy poehler, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ csecurity of american express. during your period?
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody! our first guest tonight is an emmy and golden globe-winning actress who you know from the hit comedy "parks & recreation", and the films "baby mama", "inside out", and "sisters." she stars alongside will ferrell in "the house", which is theaters june 30th. let's take a look. >> i'm gonna get me a chunk of flesh. >> yeah!
>> i'm so scared. >> you're looking at a bad man. >> ooh. >> yep, this axe is burning a hole in my pocket. >> what are we doing? >> yeah, what are we -- >> can we just conference on what we're doing? >> just you wait. >> hold on. >> we need to focus up and figure out what we we're going to do. >> just -- just to be clear, we're pretending. >> we have to send a message, okay? we have to send a message. >> yeah! >> you're bluffing. >> he's a jerk. >> he's making it easy. >> you know what? i'm going to do this. >> i'm going to do this. >> wait, i'm gonna -- >> hey, hold on! >> no, listen to me. >> hey, hey, hey! >> don't play around with the axe! [ audience ohs ] [ laughter ] >> seth: please welcome back to the show, the one, the only, the amy poehler, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: hi, buddy, how are you?
>> i'm good. thank you. >> seth: so good to have you here. >> so great to be here. this audience is on fire! [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: it's a really fantastic audience. >> yeah, it is. >> seth: they're very happy to see you. >> you have a good audience. >> seth: we do. tonight we do. well, i think they're happy to see you. i think they're very happy that you and will are doing a movie together. >> yeah. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: see? i think people -- you know, sometimes "snl" casts blend together. we -- people might forget this, we only overlapped with will for one year. >> yeah, we didn't really work together very much with will. and it was, you know, during treacherous times. it was during -- right after 9/11, when everyone was saying comedy is dead. >> seth: yep. >> that's when we started. >> seth: yep. we were the reapers of comedy. >> yeah, yeah. yeah, and so that first year, you know, you're just basically going around like that book "are you my mother?" you're just like, "can you help me stay on the show? [ light laughter ] will you help me not get fired?" so i just did that to will. i begged him to write a sketch
with me. >> seth: yeah. and i remember that guys were in a sketch with kirsten dunst. >> yes. >> seth: and by the way, this is full circle, this sketch. 'cause dunst was on monday, will was here yesterday, and you're here today. >> you're telling me dunst was here? >> seth: we had dunst. [ light laughter ] do you have issues with it? >> you book -- wait a minute, you booked dunst? nice job! >> seth: thanks, dude! [ laughter ] >> that's a big booking. >> seth: so what is -- so explain this guy -- >> oh, it's such a dumb sketch. but it's -- we played extras in the back of a scene. and we were just overenthusiastic, so we stole a lot of focus. >> seth: right. >> and -- and basically, "the house" is just that. [ light laughter ] >> seth: but here -- so this is an example of the kind of -- so there you have, obviously this is a movie starring chris kattan and maya rudolph. >> oh, yeah. >> seth: and then you guys are behind. >> stealing focus, i think. >> seth: focus stealing extras. >> oh, yeah, look at how young i was. [ laughter ] i love it! more pictures, seth! >> seth: so you guys have a secret casino in your house. >> that's right. >> seth: and you kind of get caught up in casino life. >> yeah. we kind of get into it.
and we kind of act like what suburban people would act like if they thought they were suppose to own a casino. >> seth: right. >> jerks. >> seth: your nickname becomes "the burner." >> right. >> seth: and here, we see the burner is holding -- is it because you have a tiny blowtorch? [ laughter ] >> okay. so my character likes to terrorize people with blowtorches. [ light laughter ] and i don't know -- there was a really amazing moment on the film where, spoiler alert, we light someone on fire. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> because you know, it's a comedy. >> seth: that might be -- this might be a better moment -- >> it's a comedy. [ cheers and applause ] oh, yeah, i'm skipping ahead. but what was funny is -- well, two things. first of all, because guys, i don't want to blow it, but this is fake. >> seth: okay. [ light laughter ] that is -- that is cgi fire. >> yeah, i never would -- my children are watching, i would never be around that much fire. but because i knew it was going to be cgi fire, i would tune out a little bit during the safety meetings. >> seth: okay, gotcha. >> so the guy would come in and be like, "this is really -- this could be really dangerous, make
sure" -- and then i would just kind of check out. and then at the end, he'd be, like, "and don't push this button." i'd be like, "okay." [ laughter ] action. but yeah, we lit a guy on fire -- a stunt man, not a guy off the street. [ light laughter ] and the director -- we shot our coverage first, which is -- when you know, when you light a guy on fire, you let him go at the end of the day. >> seth: right, yeah. >> it's polite! and you get to know him and then you torch him. [ light laughter ] and they shot our side and we were just going, "oh, no! he's on fire! help, everybody, help!" and then when they actually did it, we all just stood there and we were, like -- [ laughter ] because it was horrifying! so we just got really quiet and really scared and we all just kind of backed away. and the director was, like, "yell! yell something!" [ laughter ] and we were, like -- help. [ laughter ] and you now, acting -- >> seth: oh yeah, thank you. i'm so glad we're getting into this. [ light laughter ] because i feel like it's just -- it's a waste of having you if you don't talk about acting. >> thank you. acting is about reacting, you know what i mean? [ light laughter ]
>> seth: yeah. do you think now with daniel day lewis out of the game you are america's preeminent actor? >> thank you. you know what i think? you know what i think? [ cheers and applause ] here's my theory about daniel day lewis -- i think he's going to come back as another actor. [ laughter ] and fool us all! >> seth: yeah. >> there's gonna be some young guy on the scene that's in, like, a bunch of indies. and they're like, "he's amazing." and we're going to be, like, "that was daniel day lewis." [ laughter ] >> seth: do you think it will get to a point where someone would says, "i think this guy's the next daniel day lewis" and is that when he tells us -- [ laughter ] >> but he doesn't even -- he's so good, he doesn't have to rip off a mask. he just rips his own face and he changes it. and you're, like, what? i'm obsessed with daniel day lewis retiring from acting. i love it. it's such a great irish catholic, like, "i'm going to reject you before you reject me." >> seth: oh, yeah! >> i -- i break up with you! >> seth: i'm out of the game. >> yes! >> seth: i remember -- one of my favorite, there were so many things i loved about when you and tina hosted the golden globes.
but there was -- i feel like it was the first year you did it, you said that daniel day lewis played "e.t." >> yes, it was so good. and we made a joke about "e.t." and he didn't know we were making a joke, where he said he was such a good actor he played e.t. and then he just slowly raised his finger up. [ laughter ] i love you, dude. don't quit! i know this business is hard, bro. don't quit! you've got the stuff! you got it! [ laughter ] >> seth: wait, wait, you think he's quitting because he's lost confidence? >> yes! obviously, he's not getting the parts he wants. >> seth: no! [ light laughter ] >> he's feeling nervous. we all go through it. >> seth: oh, right. you always -- he probably like got -- there were like two auditions in a row, he like duffed, and now he's like -- >> and he's like forget -- forget it. [ laughter ] >> seth: he called his agent and said, "i don't even want to do it anymore! i'm out!" >> and they're like, "daniel, it was one audition." [ laughter ] >> seth: he was like, "it was stupid and the assistant took a call while i was in the room!" [ light laughter ] >> yeah, just hang in there. >> seth: hang in there, d.d.l. >> you can do it. i believe in you, daniel, if you're -- i know you're watching. [ laughter ]
daniel, if you're watching in bed right now. you're just getting your salt on. probably eating some chips, don't quit. we need you. times are tough! [ laughter ] >> seth: why do you think he eats chips before bed? [ light laughter ] >> when you quit things, don't you eat chips? >> seth: oh, i see. [ laughter ] so it's all part of his like depression in leaving acting? >> yeah, i think he's just like -- he's going like this, but he's wiping chips off. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: oh, no. wait. >> yeah! >> seth: do you think there's a chance he was with his agent and he said, "i'm done," but he was just done with chips? [ laughter ] >> and he just put out a press release. and he's like, "no, no, no, no! just done with chips!" [ laughter ] >> seth: just done with my chips. he said "i'm done." and then he screamed to his wife, "i'm out of chips." [ light laughter ] >> what is it? is it occam's razor? that's probably what happened. it's the most obvious explanation. is he was eating chips and he was done with chips and his
agent put out a press -- [ laughter ] >> seth: i've got to be honest -- [ cheers and applause ] that's probably what happened. >> probably what happened. >> seth: oh, my god. >> that's what happened. that's what happened. >> seth: i'm glad we got to the bottom of it. so we'll be -- i look forward to this "it was chips" press release tomorrow. >> oh! [ laughter ] >> seth: your boys are here. they're backstage. archie and abel. >> yes. they're back stage. yes, they're so great. >> seth: they're so great. how old are they now? >> they're 6 and 8. >> seth: and what are 6 and 8-year-olds into? >> fidget spinners. >> seth: they are? okay. >> yeah -- >> seth: did they get on board early? did they see other kids with fidget spinners? how does it start? >> yeah, i think so. i don't think they were they, you know, tabula rasa at their school. [ light laughter ] but -- the sui generis, would that also work? >> seth: yeah. >> yes, thank you. but yes, they're into it. and you know what i would like to do? i would like to get in on the bottom, the basement floor, of who is making these fidget spinners. >> seth: gotcha. but you know it's already too late? [ laughter ] >> how do i invest in them? who made them? >> seth: i think it might
already be over, don't you think? or no? >> do you know made -- did the person who -- i mean, it's no dunst. but did the person who made them -- [ laughter ] get on? you should book the man -- or woman, seth -- that made fidget spinners. [ laughter and applause ] they're a genius! >> seth: how many -- how many fidget spinners do the boys have? do they each just have one? or -- >> no. they have more than one. although, there's different -- some are counterfeit. [ light laughter ] >> seth: and now, are they just -- is it, like, do you come home and there are multiple spinners spinning? >> why are you pretending you've never done a fidget spinner? [ laughter ] >> seth: oh, no, i already have four. >> you have one, right? >> seth: yeah, yeah, yeah. i, because you know me, i am by nature a fidgeter. >> yeah, i like it. >> seth: multiple people gifted it to me as a way to make me stop doing my other awful things. >> it is a nice, gentle way to be like, "you have add." [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah, i feel bad, 'cause it does -- it's not silent. so i feel bad for the people that i'm in meetings with and it's just, like, a low whir.
[ light laughter ] 'cause i'm just like, "uh huh, and then what?" [ laughter ] >> and you have -- you have flags that light up on the side of yours. it's weird. >> seth: yeah, i do. mine's a really -- i really supped mine up. >> i feel like we gave so much free air time to fidget spinner. all i want is 45% of the company. [ laughter ] if i was on "shark tank." i love on "shark tank" -- >> seth: oh, you're a fan? >> i'm obsessed with "shark tank." i love on "shark tank" when people come on, and they're like -- "i have a great idea. all i'm asking for is $850,000 for 2% of my company." [ laughter ] people are, like, okay, bro. [ laughter ] >> seth: you -- "shark tank." what else are you watching? >> i'm watching "shark tank" and "chopped." >> seth: "chopped." [ cheers and applause ] i'm not -- i've not seen "chopped." >> it's a perfect tv show. >> seth: okay. cooking show? >> it's a cooking show. >> seth: gotcha. what's perfect about it? >> you don't ever have to think and it's the same every time. and there's no -- there's no politics. it's not about real life. >> seth: oh, that's nice. >> yeah. >> seth: we both were huge fans of "law & order."
>> oh, that is -- that is -- thank you for that prompt. "law & order" -- i've been re-watching the first ten seasons of "law & order", because i love jerry orbach, as do you. they're so good. and also, i miss new york as i spend more of my time in l.a. and i'm in a jerry orbach phase right now. like if i was an artist, i would be in an orbach phase. [ laughter ] >> seth: gotcha. >> i'm watching all of his stuff. i'm googling him. i'm watching videos about his last episode, i'm watching his last episode. i'm watching benji bratt say goodbye to him after he passed away. i'm watching s. epatha merkerson, who's one of the best actresses on tv, i love you s. epatha. no daniel day lewis, but -- [ laughter ] and she's talking about how great he was. so i've been, i've been like, giving myself my own masters degree. >> seth: i think it says -- [ light laughter ] says something about how much people can miss new york that they will watch a show that is about murders in new york. like it's like new york murders and it's still like, "aww, new york." [ laughter ] >> miss it. miss all those murders. >> seth: there's a different murder every day. >> miss all those cold streets
with murders on them. >> seth: always solving them, though. they always solve them. >> always. >> seth: are you excited about "thrones"? are you excited about new "thrones"? >> new "thrones" -- i mean, i don't know, man. it's so violent. >> seth: yeah, it is violent. >> like i'm kind of -- the world is so violent, i kind of want -- i want -- i want -- >> seth: you want "chopped." >> i want "chopped." or i just also want just videos of dogs. >> seth: okay. [ light laughter ] >> seth: so do you think they should have held "game of thrones" this year and just done like dog videos? [ laughter ] >> they should have just had animals come up to the throne and sniff it and lift a leg. and then walk away and i would be like, "that's so cute." [ laughter ] >> seth: dogs are coming. >> let me ask you this. i don't want to spoil anything, but has winter come yet? i mean, jesus. [ laughter ] >> seth: i think i've seen some trailers, it looks like winter's here. >> thank you. [ laughter ] >> seth: were you -- you were tired of waiting? >> it's like -- it's like -- i'm going to make the oldest reference, but it's like, "who shot j.r.?" they're stretching that thing out for a while.
winter, come already! this is a bad bit. >> seth: no, it's a good bit. >> alright. [ light laughter ] >> seth: thank you so much for being here. >> you can cut -- we're so long anyway. you cut that "game of thrones" part out. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] we'll do that. but we need to have an edit to get out of it. >> oh, yeah, yeah. >> seth: just still be laughing at something and we'll just like laugh and so we'll cut to. >> okay, okay, okay, okay! [ laughter ] >> seth: alright, so -- >> and you guys, by the way, you guys will be the only ones that know how fake this is. [ cheers and applause ] you'll be the only ones. it's what daniel does. daniel -- daniel would reset at this moment. daniel would go back to one. >> seth: right. >> daniel, please go back to one. go back to one. sorry. okay. [ laughter ] >> seth: all right. so -- so i'll just say, like, "oh, my god, that's great" and then we'll laugh. [ laughter ] >> okay, okay. >> seth: oh, my god, that's great! [ laughter ] amy poehler, everybody!
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please welcome the show nicolle wallace, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ >> seth: hi, nicolle! >> this is so cool. >> seth: i'm so happy to have you here. >> republicans don't get to places like this very often. >> seth: it's very nice to have -- it's very hard to get republicans to come to places like this. >> yeah, we're all in witness protection. >> seth: yeah. well, you have now of course, you -- i should make this clear, you are anti- president trump. you are a republican. >> don't tell anybody that. [ laughter ] yeah, i was a trump denier for a long time, so -- >> seth: yeah. that's good to know. >> is that a good -- [ cheers and applause ] that doesn't help. >> seth: do you -- that's why republicans don't come, is people applaud when you say stuff like that. >> right, i get it. yeah, yeah. >> seth: so i get it too. i'm always happy when one agrees to come. it's very hard to get -- i will say, i don't know if you find this on your show, it's very hard to get republicans who
support trump to come on television. >> well, i end up screaming at them for the whole hour. and then they call my husband and say, "oh, god, i can't imagine being you." so, i know what you mean. i know some of them. >> seth: yeah. >> i can help you with that, if you want. >> seth: i would love that. >> yeah, i mean, it's -- it's a bridge too far for most people, i know, frankly, to support this president. it's not about republicans and democrats. it's sort of about reveling and blowing up everything that was normal. and i find that being at msnbc that i am more upset about him than most liberal people that work there, because he destroyed something i cared about -- the republican party. >> seth: the republican party. >> yeah. >> seth: and do you think -- [ applause ] because again, it's early -- it's early and you know we've had this situation where republicans are still winning the special elections. >> right. >> seth: but his approval ratings are pretty low. they're at 36%. do you feel like this is a long-term -- will this have long-term damage to the brand of being a republican or the republican party? >> yeah. i mean, i don't know how -- you know, in politics, and i'm
sure it's the same in television, the people in the middle of the crisis usually remain in denial the longest. so in politics, the people in the middle of the storm, you know, see the damage through rose-colored glasses. so i don't know that the people sort of governing under the banner as republicans understand how bad it is. >> seth: now, you actually have sources within the white house. do people within the white house, do they have a sense of how crazy everything is? >> you know, i mean, listen you cover politics as much as i do. and i always watch and when you cut to the same tape i cut i always think that which is real is funny and that which is funny is real. >> seth: yeah. >> so, i mean, you see what i see. and it is the same on the inside as it appears. they're sort of the keepers of the trump flame, the bannon wing, is how everyone talks about it. and then there are the professionals, people that are working in national security jobs that let people like me sleep at night, because i know
people like general mattis and general mcmaster. so, i mean, the people that are there who are professionals, who cared about their reputation before they went in and who will likely have careers depending on how it goes afterward, are interested in getting out information. you can't take away the serious parts of the job just because we have an unserious guy in the office. so, yeah, i mean i do still talk to people in the white house. >> seth: and there are -- so there are people -- the people you mentioned, the mattises the mcmasters, you do still have confidence that they are -- they are untarnished by what is happening. and they are sort of committed to our safety in a way that is still important. >> i don't know if anyone gets out untarnished. i mean i hope that men like that are. they're generals and they're great and i hope that he listens to them if push comes to shove. there's no evidence that he isn't yet, but i think that's something to watch. >> seth: that's good to hear. do you -- you know, so you did communications -- >> yeah, a lost art. >> seth: and what is it -- you know, because obviously i feel like there are a lot of people on the trump communications team that often have to go out and sort of present this message to the press. and it's a very hard message to present, because it is sort of
b.s. and not true stuff. >> lie. yeah. >> seth: were you ever put in that position where you knew you had to go out and sort of -- maybe not just say a lie, but did you have to have a spin -- >> not just the lie part? >> seth: spin something -- but the spinning. >> well, i mean, listen, the bush -- i don't want to sugar coat. i mean only this presidency could make the bush era look like, you know, the golden times. and -- >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> so, i don't want to sugar coat anything. but he was so aware when things were bad. i mean it wasn't like we had to go in and say, mr. president, we have to go out and say that iraq isn't going well or the vice president shot someone by mistake. i mean we never had to spin him. [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> and so what's so crazy about this white house is they -- they don't talk to him for reasons that aren't clear to me. they go out and brief the press without talking to him. if you don't talk to him, what do you -- and we know he's talking about nothing. >> seth: yeah. >> so it is sort of like this "seinfeld" meets the white house
meets -- you know what i mean? it is the briefings are about nothing. >> seth: you mentioned that we, in a very -- in what seems quaint now, the vice president shot his friend. [ light laughter ] >> it counted as a calamity. >> seth: it kind -- yeah, it was a big deal. but is it true that you had to urge -- because vice president cheney did not want to actually to do press about it. >> no. >> seth: but that was the thing that people had questions about. [ light laughter ] >> yeah. >> seth: 'cause -- 'cause he shot his friend. [ laughter ] >> yeah. >> seth: so how did you convince somebody like -- >> i mean, so in the old days, republicans would try to spend a week on a message. and the president had just given a state of the union address and we were trying to spend the week talking about switch grass or some sort of renewable energy. bush got very into that in 2005. and so we were going through the messages of the day on a sunday afternoon and my colleague, dan bartlett, said, "oh, one more thing." and i said, "oh, okay. what?" and he said, "cheney shot somebody." and i was like, "oh. [ laughter ] well, is everybody okay?" and he said, "no. he's in the hospital." and i said, "was he -- was it a crime scene?" "no, they were hunting." and i said, "okay, well and i didn't see that. did we put it out?" and he said, "nope.
nope. cheney doesn't want to tell anybody." i said, "he's the vice president. he shot -- we should tell somebody." >> seth: yeah. >> and he said, "no, maybe" -- what's the hunting magazine, like guns and -- >> seth: yeah, uh -- i don't know. [ laughter ] i can pretend. >> he wants to tell some outdoor magazine. i said, "no, no, no. i mean, he has a press corps. we have to tell the press corps." so monday -- he didn't tell anyone sunday. monday came around and our white house press secretary, scott mclellan, was just pounded, because now there was a stakeout at the hospital. i mean everyone knew he shot his friend. >> seth: probably no questions about switch grass that day. [ light laughter ] >> we were not driving our energy message. but we -- yeah, i mean we had to involve folks at the highest levels. and, you know, in those days it was viewed as a way to move past a crisis to do an interview with a friendly outlet. so we suggested an interview for him, and there was a lot of yelling and screaming and it felt -- the vice president never really forgave me for making him do an interview about shooting his friend. but ultimately, we had to involve the president.
>> seth: if his friend forgave him, he should forgive you. [ laughter ] >> i think so. i think so. >> seth: i want to -- [ cheers and applause ] i'm fascinated -- and he really is one of my dream guests. i'm fascinated by sean spicer's day to day. >> yeah. >> seth: watching someone -- and that wasn't specifically your job, but that thing of presenting the message. do you have -- because again this a job he chose, so i don't want to say sympathy. but do you at least have, like, a sympathy for the difficulty of that job that he is given every day to go out and without any information have to answer questions? >> no one should feel sorry for anyone in the white house. those are the best jobs on the planet. they are. i mean you literally have a badge that lets you walk on to this magnificent 18-acre complex. and you don't just work for the guy who's elected. and it really is -- i mean the public is allowed to walk through it, because it is the people's house. so no one should feel sorry for anybody that works in the white house. i can empathize with what it's
like to deal with a rabid press corps, but he makes them angry by telling them nothing. >> seth: yeah. >> so i think that some of his problems are of his own creation. what's interesting to me about sean, i know sean. sean is a good person. he has an impossible job. but no one makes him stay in it. and the fact that he doesn't have a red line that is on the other side of being undermined by the president or called fat by his colleagues, or -- you know, i don't know where his line is. but they've crossed a lot of lines that i wouldn't have stayed there for. >> seth: yeah. it is fascinating to watch every day. and the crazy thing is two months from now the lines you're talking about will also feel quaint, i feel like. >> right! we have a director of the fbi and even -- the fbi director used to sort of be an untouchable job. you didn't attack the fbi director. and we now have a president who called him a crazy loon with a bunch of russians, who taunts him on twitter the way -- i don't know if you have kids, but kids taunting people on twitter. >> seth: yeah, kids taunt me too. >> but -- [ laughter ] grown-ups taunt me. but you can't treat people on twitter the way the president treats former officials of his
government without getting kicked out of most private and public schools. i mean he's a cyber bully. so just all the conduct is so unprecedented. >> seth: well, i hope you'll come back and we can talk about it more. it's great to have you in the building. >> i like the show. thank you so much. >> seth: thank you so much and welcome to the building. [ cheers and applause ] nicolle wallace everybody. "deadline: white house" airs weekdays at 4:00 p.m. on msnbc. we'll be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say, geico is proud to have served the military for over 75 years! roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour of the wisconsin now. could've parked a little bit closer... it's gonna be dark by the time i get there. geico®. proudly serving the military for over 75 years. ♪ i don't think that's how they're made.
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