tv Late Night With Seth Meyers NBC March 27, 2019 12:37am-1:38am PDT
♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- paul giamatti, star of "arrested development", actress jessica walter, presidential candidate, former governor of colorado john hickenlooper, featuring the 8g band with allison miller. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] dies and gentlemen, seth meyers. >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how's everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] that's great to hear. in that case, let's get to the news. well, it looks like felicity huffman and lori loughlin are headed back to tv. [ laughter ]
actresses felicity huffman and lori loughlin and 48 others have been arrested and charged in a $25 million college entrance exam cheating scheme. it's the worst thing felicity huffman has ever done and the second-worst thing lori loughlin has. [ laughter and applause ] according to the department of defense, the white house has requested over $72 million to fund and establish a space force headquarters. they say they want it to be about three feet wide by 2,000 miles long, and -- hey, wait a minute! [ laughter ] nice try, you guys. new audio has surfaced of fox news host tucker carlson making racist and homophobic remarks during radio interviews between 2006 and 2011, not to mention, on television weeknights at 8:00 p.m. [ light laughter ] that's right. new audio has surfaced of tucker carlson saying that people in the middle east don't use toilet paper or forks.
meanwhile, here in america, that's pretty much all we use. [ laughter ] a scientist in germany has found that female dragonflies fake their own death to avoid the males bothering them. [ laughter and applause ] "same -- same," said women on tinder. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] yeah. yeah, i'd love to, but i'm dead. [ laughter ] today was liza minnelli's 73rd birthday. but she doesn't look a day over dramatic. [ light laughter ] a software developer has created a new app for trump supporters that is described as, quote, "a conservative yelp" that helps people find maga-friendly restaurants where they can go without fear of being harassed for wearing pro-trump clothing. but so far, there's not much selection. [ laughter ] a park in pennsylvania is
closing one of its roads on rainy nights for the next month, so that amphibians like frogs and salamanders can mate without threat from passing cars. said one frog, "aw, but that's what made it exciting!" [ laughter and applause ] and finally, the "washington post" has published an op-ed arguing that college students should study in different parts of the united states instead of studying abroad, in order to gain a greater understanding about different cultures within america. "how much is that gonna cost me?" asked felicity huffman. [ laughter and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ] he is the star of "billions" on showtime. paul giamatti is back. [ cheers and applause ] always so great to have him here. she's a very funny actress who you can see in new episodes of "arrested development" on netflix beginning this friday. jessica walter is here. [ cheers and applause ] the great jessica walter. and he is the former governor of
colorado and a democratic presidential candidate. john hickenlooper is back. [ cheers and applause ] now, whenever donald trump holds a press conference, his rambling, nonsensical answers raise more questions than they answer. so we decided to hold another one right here, right now. that's right, donald trump and the "late night" press corps are here in our studio and ready to go. so without further ado, it's time for the "late night white house press conference." [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: mr. president. mr. president. yes, mr. trump. mr. president, yes, thank you. seth meyers, "late night with seth meyers." president trump, you've been in office for more than two years now. have you figured out how to do your job yet? >> i'll probably never get it. but that's okay. [ laughter ] >> seth: where do you stand on the issues? >> on the wrong side of every one of them. [ laughter ] >> seth: according to your recent physical, you gained four pounds. what happened?
>> well, what's happening is growth. [ laughter ] >> seth: and how is your cholesterol? >> a lot of people think it's 506 billion. some people think it's much more than that. [ laughter ] >> seth: we haven't seen rudy giuliani in a while. how is he doing? >> at least partially living. [ laughter ] >> seth: how do you greet melania every morning? >> i said, "i haven't seen you before." she said, "no, i'm new." i said, "that's too bad." [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: who makes all those maga hats? >> a large team of very talented people in china. [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: don't take this the wrong way, you seem to have a hard time estimating the sizes of your crowds. so let's just try something. how many people do you think are sitting here with me right now? >> 8 billion or 2 billion or 1.5 billion. [ laughter ]
>> seth: during your physical, did your doctor say how he was going to get your head out of your ass? >> they're doing it surgically. [ laughter ] >> seth: when you're out to eat, what are your favorite pieces of fried chicken? >> legs and arms. [ laughter ] >> seth: what did you say when you dropped off your son eric on the very first day of preschool? >> enjoy your life. [ laughter ] >> seth: is ted bundy the worst guy you could think of? >> nope. donald trump! [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: hey, um, i know you watch a ton of tv. can you describe the plot of the tv show "seinfeld." >> they sit around a table. they have lunch. they eat. they dine. and they waste a lot of time. [ laughter ] >> seth: what do you spend most of your day on? >> my butt. [ laughter ]
>> seth: i've got to be honest, i'm afraid a lot of your answers aren't making much sense. >> you know why? >> seth: why? >> trump is crazy! [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: and when exactly did you start going crazy? >> 19 -- 77 or so. [ light laughter ] >> seth: what would you say to an american right now who is having a problem paying their bills? >> sell drugs. [ laughter ] >> seth: what's your favorite part of an oreo? >> right smack in the middle, it's phenomenal. [ laughter ] >> seth: what would you do if i told you i was responsible for mcdonald's doing all-day breakfast? >> give you the nobel peace prize. [ light laughter ] >> seth: i'm a little shy about this. but do you like my suit? >> stand up just for a second. show how beautiful. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: thank you.
hey, i'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10. can you guess what it is? >> 56. [ laughter ] >> seth: since you became president, what have you been looking forward to the most? >> death. [ laughter ] so that's, frankly, one of the things i'm most excited about. [ laughter ] >> seth: let's do a fun one. what would the name hannah sound like with an australian accent? >> hanoi. [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: i think you're right. and now i'd like to finish with a question i always ask. president trump, how's your penis? >> i don't know what to do with it. [ laughter ] >> seth: but how's your penis? >> it's wrong. it's wrong. it's just a lie. it's all a lie. >> seth: how's your penis? >> it's a horror show. >> seth: well, it looks like we're out of time, so on behalf of the rest of the "late night" press corps, have a good night. we'll be back with paul giamatti. [ cheers and applause ]
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. give it up for the 8g band right over there! [ cheers and applause ] back again with us tonight, she's one of our favorite drummers. an incredible jazz musician from right here in new york city. the latest album from her group allison miller's boom tic boom,
"glitter wolf", is available now. allison miller, everybody. thank you so much for being here. [ cheers and applause ] our first guest is an academy-award nominated and emmy-award winning actor you know from such films as "sideways" and "cinderella man." he returns as chuck rhoades in the new season of "billions", which premiers this sunday at 9:00 p.m. let's take a look. >> all i want is vengeance, and it will be had. and we all know what i need to do it -- a perch. and epstein's vacated new york attorney general seat is there for me. and maybe i could win it. but the moment i poke my head up, jack foley will come after me, release what he has on me. or threaten to. as i'm no longer in a position to prosecute him. >> i would slap your face and tell you to act like a man if i didn't think it would turn you on. >> but you wouldn't, dad. not from you. that's not how it works. good lord. >> seth: please welcome back to the show, paul giamatti, everybody!
[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: how are you? >> i'm very good. i'm very good, sir. >> seth: it's wonderful to have you here. >> thank you. >> seth: this is the fourth season of the show. >> yes, it is. >> seth: and i heard you grew the beard for the part. for the chuck rhoades part. >> i did, yeah. you know, i -- i make a case-by-case decision with things. is it a beard part or not a beard part? >> seth: gotcha. >> and this guy, i felt like i needed to look a little bit more intense, a little bit more masculine. >> >> seth: yep. >> so i grew a beard. >> seth: gotcha. >> it also gives my face definition. >> seth: uh-huh. >> without it, my face just looks like a soccer ball or something. [ laughter ] you know, it gives me a little bit of -- >> seth: a little edge. >> a little edge, exactly. >> seth: there you go. that's very nice. i think it's a good decision. >> thank you. >> seth: and you lost -- you were stripped of your attorney title last year. >> that's correct. >> seth: a lot of things
happened to all of the characters on the show. >> yes. >> seth: there are a lot of plot twists and turns. when you start a new season, do you have to go back and remember everything that happened? >> i have to be told basically scene to scene what the hell is going on. [ laughter ] i just shot today and i don't remember what the hell i just shot. [ laughter ] i'm not kidding. it's really -- it's like a weird -- i remember the first season pretty clearly, because it's all new and you're very excited. >> seth: yeah. >> and at this point, i have no frickin' idea what the hell is going on. [ laughter ] >> seth: is that nice as an actor? because then you have no choice but to be in the moment, because you don't know what's going on. >> yes, it actually is. because i don't have a chance to think about anything. i'm just kind of thrown into the water and you've got to swim. >> seth: that's great. those moments are really fun. what was interesting about the last time you were here, it was the day after the inauguration. >> uh-huh. >> seth: and you play -- [ laughter ] we were all in a great mood. >> yeah, yeah. [ laughter ] boy. >> seth: you play the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york -- >> correct. >> seth: which when this show premiered, i don't think was
a -- a job that we thought about as much as we do now. >> not so much. >> seth: yeah. >> no. i mean, i think the last time anybody thought much about it was when rudy guiliani was doing it. >> seth: yeah. >> and when he was knocking the mob apart doing it. >> seth: right. >> and that's the last time anybody really thought much about it. >> seth: so you guys were a little bit ahead of the curve as far as what a big deal the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york is. >> yeah, no, it's definitely become more prominent now. but what's funny is, i don't know who the guy is, actually, now. he's weirdly kind of more invisible, but they're more present in everybody's life. it's odd. >> seth: i think it's probably a smart idea right now for that guy to be invisible, considering how another person will probably say a lot of things about them. yeah. >> that's very true. but he's an appointee. he's trump's appointee. >> seth: that's right. he is a trump appointee. >> it's all very curious. >> seth: yeah, he doesn't mind turning against people he picked. >> that's true, that's true. [ laughter ] >> seth: this is -- obviously, this is a very new york show. >> yeah. >> seth: i feel like you were also a new york institution yourself. >> really? >> seth: when people see you on the street, are they now -- because they're so connected to the show, it's so popular, do
they come up and talk to you about it? >> for sure. people definitely stop me and compliment me on the show. and, of course, i can barely remember what show i'm on. [ laughter ] but it's very nice of them. in spite of the beard, they know who i am. >> seth: yeah. >> and, no, it is -- it's -- new york is like a real character in the show. >> seth: yes. >> a whole other character in the show. so it feels really great being here. >> seth: have you had roles before that people have approached you specifically for as much as this one? >> um -- yeah, you know, "sideways," the movie, the wine movie that i did. because so many people are wine aficionados, that i got a lot of that. >> seth: yeah. >> and now this has been -- >> seth: are these people a little less snobby? you can be honest. [ laughter ] >> oh, the people that stop me about this? yes, definitely. definitely. >> seth: i -- when david and brian, the creators of the show, were on, they were talking about how it really -- the fan base of the show covers all ages. >> it's crazy. >> seth: you have an 18-year-old son. we were talking about backstage. >> yes, i do. >> seth: is he a fan of the show? does he watch it? >> he couldn't care less. >> seth: okay. [ laughter ] >> he gets enough of me. the kid gets enough of me --
he's done. he doesn't care. >> seth: do you think there would be a chance he would watch the show if you weren't on it? >> yes. [ laughter ] yes. in fact, i think he might be keenly interested in it if i wasn't on it. in fact, i do. but he's -- i don't know, he's more of a kind of strictly comedy kind of guy. he loves, like, "rick and morty" kind of stuff. >> seth: okay, gotcha. >> that kind of thing. so this is not that. >> seth: yeah. it seems like -- do you think he'd have a problem if you were just the voice in an animated show? >> no, that he would find -- he wouldn't have to see me, yeah. >> seth: okay, gotcha. [ laughter ] >> i suppose if he didn't have to see me, yeah. i think that would be appealing to him, yeah. >> seth: gotcha. see, now, i'm dreading this, because my kids are -- they're just -- i mean, a 1-year-old and 3-year-old. they love to see me right now. there's no down side. >> they do love it. >> seth: when does the shift happen? when he officially was out of it? >> i would say the teenage years. >> seth: yeah, gotcha. >> he doesn't care any more. he got over it pretty fast. >> seth: when he was, like, 6 or 7, though, "sideways" was like his favorite movie. [ laughter ] >> absolutely. >> seth: that was his "frozen." [ laughter ] >> that would have been amazing.
>> seth: those guys were also saying -- when brian and david were here, they were saying because this is about new york people, a sort of moneyed class who goes to the restaurants that are hard to get into. that you have to shoot in those restaurants a lot of time. >> that's true. >> seth: and then, to some degree you might then have an in to eat at those restaurants. have you gotten on the list at some fine -- >> i tend to go to much lower rent restaurants -- >> seth: okay, gotcha. >> than that kind of place. but i do find -- there is a wonderful restaurant -- it's never been on the show. there is a wonderful restaurant called, carbone -- >> seth: wonderful restaurant. >> which is a difficult place to get into. and now i can get in there. i wanted to think it's 'cause it's i'm italian. and i don't think that's why. [ laughter ] i don't think that's why. i'd like to think -- it's like a paisan thing. but it's not. that's the one place that i've taken advantage of doing that. >> seth: that's nice. >> yeah, but i feel funny doing that. >> seth: you do. >> i do a little bit. >> seth: i always -- you know, sometimes my wife will say, hey, like last-minute, she'll want to go someplace. she goes, "will you just call and say it's you?" and i say to her, "i won't on
the outside chance they'll say no." [ laughter ] >> that's the big fear. >> seth: right, right. >> 'cause you're like, "it's me." and they're like -- you know, who? >> seth: no, i'm sorry -- >> i'm paul giamatti! giamatti! [ laughter ] no, that's the biggest -- >> seth: yeah. i say to my wife, like, it's just better for us to go to our second-choice place now than the chance we're going to our second-choice place after i've been turned down. >> exactly. [ laughter ] >> seth: and i'm just angrily cutting my omelet. >> totally. omelet places, that's the place -- i usually go to places with omelets. >> seth: i've been there. when you walk into an omelet place they're like, mr. giamatti! [ laughter ] >> exactly. >> seth: man, it is always such a pleasure to have you here. please come back soon. >> absolutely. my pleasure. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: congratulations on season four. paul giamatti, everybody. "billions" returns with the fourth season premiere this sunday at 9:00 p.m. we'll be right back with jessica walters. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: our next guest is a golden globe-nominated and emmy award-winning actress you know from her work on the animated series "archer." she returns as lucille bluth in second half of season five of "arrested development", which begins streaming this friday on netflix. let's take a look. >> michael, they've got nothing. dusty told me. two brothers can't be charged with the same crime. >> well, i hate to say it, but you may have been getting better advice from barry. but i should talk. i mean, i thought -- i thought i was -- i was better than this family. but i've made a mess of everything. i couldn't keep lindsey around. my son will likely be ruined at the wall unveiling. turns out i'm the worst. i'm the worst bluth. >> never say that. gob is the worst. [ laughter ] >> seth: please welcome to the show, jessica walter, everybody.
[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: hello! >> hello. thank you. thank you for having me. >> seth: i am so happy to have you here. we were talking backstage about how you've been a new yorker your whole life. but not only are you near here, you're very comfortable here, because your father used to work in studio 8h. >> yes, he did. my dad was a bass violinist with arturo toscanini and the nbc symphony. so, we used to watch the rehearsals. oh, thank you. >> seth: yes. [ cheers and applause ] very wonderful. >> and it gave me a lot of connections, because he was a staff -- he was also was on -- in the original band of "the tonight show", the steve allen "tonight show." >> seth: that's incredible. >> skitch henderson conducting. [ applause ]
so i got on to "the howdy doody show." >> seth: wow. [ laughter ] now this -- for those -- you were not in the photo, but this is what you were doing on the howdy -- >> yeah. >> seth: you were one of the children. [ audience aws ] >> "howdy doody" had a peanut gallery. you know, we didn't have a lot of choices in those days of shows. [ laughter ] and i remember the theme song. >> seth: you do? >> yes. ready? >> seth: yes. ♪ it's howdy doody time it's howdy doody time bob smith and howdy do say howdy do to you ♪ ♪ let's give a rousing cheer 'cause howdy doody's here it's time to start the show so kids let's go ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: oh, that's wonderful. i mean, i want to say i'm impressed you remembered the lyrics. but, like, half of it's just his name. it was -- [ laughter ] >> i know, i know, i know. >> seth: a lot of howdy doody in that. >> and you know, clarabell the clown -- >> seth: yes. >> who actually -- they would run a little contest, i got picked naturally, 'cause i had connections. >> seth: yes, of course. [ laughter ] >> and -- and clarabell became
captain kangaroo. >> seth: oh, wow. >> bob keesshan, yeah. and then there was princess summerfall winterspring. >> seth: uh-huh. >> and there was a big scandal about her. >> seth: there was? >> i have to go google it now that my memory isn't that good. >> seth: right. >> but yeah, it was -- >> seth: i can't believe you're just going to leave us with that. [ laughter ] >> i know. >> seth: i think everyone should go google that. [ laughter ] >> princess summerfall winterspring. >> seth: oh, yes. she killed someone with her car. that was it. i'm just kidding. i don't know. [ laughter ] you -- you -- people don't know this about you. you know, i think there's a generation that knows you fully as this wonderful comedic actress, but you began doing dramatic roles. you were in a clint eastwood thriller called "play misty for me." >> right, right. >> seth: and other films. did it take a while for people to see you as somebody who could do comedy as well? >> you know, i couldn't get a sitcom until i was 40 years old. >> seth: wow. >> this is true. ellen travolta was -- played the mom on "joannie loves chachi." >> seth: mm-hmm.
>> and there was a storyline -- we had done a show in summer stock, she and i. there was a storyline about -- she was, you know, the mom that stayed home with the kids. and she had this friend from high school who was the career-driven business woman. >> seth: mm-hmm. >> snotty, nasty. >> seth: yeah. >> naturally, she thought of me. [ laughter ] and she suggested me for the part and i got the part. and garry marshall produced it. from there i got "flamingo kid" and my whole world opened up in that area. >> seth: that's such -- >> you did a movie -- didn't you do a movie with garry? >> seth: i did do a movie with garry marshall. he's one of the great -- he was one of greatest guys of all time. >> i know, i know. >> seth: just the sweetest, sweetest man. >> this is garry marshall directing. >> seth: okay. >> "you know, you'll stand there, you'll think of something, you'll be funny." and he walks away. [ laughter ] am i right? >> seth: yeah. you -- i want to ask because obviously, you do a lot of drinking on the show. >> on the show. >> seth: yeah, on the show. [ laughter ] what are you actually drinking on "arrested development"? >> well, you know, if we really
drank -- >> seth: yeah. >> the drinks. >> seth: you would not be here. >> we wouldn't be able to walk. [ light laughter ] but, you know, for martinis it's water. >> seth: yeah. >> with an olive. and for white wine, it's apple juice. it's -- red wine is grape juice. it's, you know, boring. >> seth: yes. so you're very -- >> but i, in real life, i do enjoy occasionally -- >> seth: uh-uh. >> a martini. and i know how to make a great one. >> seth: oh, wow. >> i do. >> seth: well, there you go. next time you'll here, you'll have to show me. but there's something else i want to ask you to show me. >> what? >> seth: the lucille wink. >> ooh. >> seth: is this a teachable skill? >> oh, my god. [ laughter ] >> seth: can you teach me how to do it or is it -- >> all right. for those -- i don't know if everybody knows the lucille wink, but it's this. [ laughter ] and the thing is, one eye has to completely close. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] okay. >> this is not easy. >> seth: gotcha. okay. >> it's like, you know, people that are double jointed. >> seth: yup. >> either you can do it or you can't.
but you could try. >> seth: okay. >> so let's -- let's see if you can do it. [ laughter ] >> seth: no. [ laughter ] >> no. >> seth: no, okay. >> no. you didn't seem on the fence about that at all. that was a really hard no. >> yeah, it's -- >> seth: no, i don't think i can do it. yeah. >> you know, it's funny, because i did it once on the set, and i don't know. they liked it. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> so, you know. they said, you know, let's do it whenever we can. >> seth: that's a wonder -- i mean -- [ laughter ] it's one of the wonderful things about that show is it -- it seemed like it always found things that people were good at and not only that you guys liked, but the audience liked and then it made sure to constantly reward us with it. >> the writing on that show -- as you, a great writer, would know -- >> seth: yeah. it's the best, yeah. >> that writing, so specific, the characters was so -- >> seth: and the plots and everything tying together. and you have a -- your role on -- sorry -- >> "archer." >> seth: "archer" was also -- mallory was also based on lucille a little bit, you were told. >> well, you know, the thing about that was that i got the -- i got copy.
you know, an agent sends you copy for an audition. and one agent -- i have two agents. one is -- they're all different now. but back then, one was a commercial agent, one was a theatrical. and the first copy i got was -- it said, you know, just here's the part. the second copy said, mallory, think jessica walter from "arrested development." [ light laughter ] so i called the agent, and i said, well, you know, "why don't you send me the script? i like it." [ laughter ] you know? and that's how it came about. >> seth: yeah. >> but why would one agent take my name out of it? >> seth: yeah. >> ooh. >> seth: ooh. [ laughter ] well, i'm just -- i'm just glad you didn't have that awkward moment where you auditioned and they were like, "no, not that jessica walter." [ laughter ] it worked out. >> i've had those. i've had those. >> seth: yes, we all have had those. >> the voice -- yeah, the voiceovers. >> seth: yeah. hey, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: it's such a pleasure to meet you. this is jessica walter, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] "arrested development" will begin streaming new episodes on netflix this friday. we'll be right back with more "late night." [ cheers and applause ]
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parents' attic, and i found the first video game system i ever owned. the jorbus. i don't know if you guys remember the jorbus. it predated atari, nintendo, sega. it was made by the now out of business department store montgomery-ward. let me show you guys and you can see if you remember the old jorbus. there you go. [ light laughter ] and ever since i found it, i've been playing my jorbus nonstop. and a lot of the games were really ahead of their time. let's take a look at some of them now in a segment we call "old video games." ♪ [ applause ] >> seth: all right. first up, we have the -- this jorbus game was inspired by the popular game, "frogger." it was called "fraudder." i don't know if you guys remember "fraudder." [ laughter ] in "fraudder," you play a man who is in debt, and your goal is to try and get hit by a car so you can sue the driver. [ laughter ] >> level one. ♪ >> seth: level one, fairly easy. all you did was sort of run on to the road and try to get hit by a car. there you go. that would be how you'd win level one.
level two, a little harder, because now you're on crutches. a little harder to get around. and also the drivers have heard about you, so they know you're coming, and they avoid hitting you now. because the word is out. [ laughter ] yeah. it's a little trickier now. now there's no reward to just hitting him. there you go. and then, of course, the goal would be -- yeah, you get it. >> good job. you're paralyzed for life. [ laughter ] >> seth: it was -- it was so much fun. do you guys remember these lisa frank school supplies? [ cheers and applause ] there you go. these were very popular in the '80s and '90s and obviously based on that reaction, today. here -- so this game was inspired by the lisa frank binders. they were called "lisa frank world." and in this game, you play an 8-year-old boy who thinks lisa frank sucks and you get warped into the world of your sister's trapper keeper. so in this game, you navigate the super colorful world, and you fight off the cute animals who are trying to cuddle with you.
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hey, this jorbus game came out in the mid '80s. it was inspired by the cold war, which is a thing that was happening then and it was all the kids could talk about. and it was called "berlin wall beach volleyball." [ laughter ] so in this game, you play on the side of democracy, as you face off against the communists on the other side of the berlin wall. so you would pick your players, you would -- you know, maybe be reagan and thatcher and you'd play against maybe communist leaders like gorbachev and deng xiaoping. and this would be the game. >> well, okay. >> nyet. >> ooh! >> seth: and then, you know, you would volley back and forth and then you would try to unlock reagan's special move, the gipper spike. >> ooh! >> tear down this wall. [ audience ohs ] >> seth: and then nancy would show up and you guys would just make out. [ cheers and applause ] it was a really fun game. this last jorbus game is really hard to find. it was inspired by the tom hanks movie, "forrest gump." it's called "forrest gump: the game." now, of course, in the movie "forrest gump," forrest experiences various defining
moments in american history. in this game, forrest would be in classic moments in video game history. so you would find out that forrest was actually standing right behind mario when he crushed the first goomba. [ laughter ] ♪ >> my name is forrest. forrest gump. [ laughter ] >> seth: and he was actually the guy who dropped all those pellets on the ground that pac-man ate. >> jenny. my name is forrest. forrest gump. >> seth: and in "legend of zelda", link didn't dress in his trademark outfit until he saw forrest gump dressed that way. [ light laughter ] >> bubba gump. >> seth: and this was the coolest. you'd find out he was the first person to ever do a "mortal kombat" fatality. [ audience ohs ] >> my mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. [ light laughter ] >> seth: give it up for the jorbus, everyone! [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with former governor john hickenlooper. [ cheers and applause ]
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>> seth: welcome back. >> i'm glad to be back. thanks so much for having me. >> seth: you were governor last time you were here. now you are running for president. this is, i don't need to tell you, a very crowded field. one of the issues for anyone is name recognition. you're coming into it with a name that is hard to recognize, even when you see it written down. [ light laughter ] do you think hickenlooper is helpful at a time like this as a last name? >> i wouldn't say it actually -- it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. it's more like a wish bone that gets stuck in the gullet. >> seth: yeah, yeah. [ light laughter ] >> but i think overall, it's not a name many people are gonna forget. >> seth: yeah, that's true. and then if you win, they'll just call you mr. president, and they'll probably be relieved. [ laughter ] >> both of us. >> seth: yeah. but in all seriousness, this is gonna be grueling for anybody who chooses to do this. and this may be a field of candidates that is 20-plus? could be even 30. why get into a race with that many people? >> well, you know --
i mean, i love this country, and i think we're facing a national crisis. a crisis of division. i don't think we've been this divided -- go back to the civil rights era, probably back to the civil war. and we got big challenges. right? the spiraling cost of health care. issues around climate change. automation and what it's gonna do to the workplace. my years in -- when i was in government, but also in small business, i think i demonstrated again and again that i can get stuff done. bring people together and get stuff done. we have now almost universal coverage in health care in colorado. and we did it in a bipartisan way. i got the environmental industry -- environmental community and the oil and gas industry to actually come together and create methane regulations, the first in the country. we took colorado from being the 40th state in the country in job creation to being the number one economy in america. i mean, i know i can beat donald trump, and i think i can
also bring this country together on the other side and make real things happen. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: that is -- it really is -- nice and accurate. you can point to this record of bipartisan solutions. i guess the issue is, how do you take what you've done in your state and deal with somebody like mitch mcconnell, who doesn't seem to have any interest in reaching across the aisle or having the aisle reach out across to him? >> well, it is hard to imagine that you have a senate president that would take a new president, like barack obama, and say, you know, i'm gonna do everything i can to make you fail. >> seth: yeah. >> i don't care what it does to the country, but we're gonna to do that. and it might well be. i mean, my life has always been getting the oil and gas industry to work with the environmental community. to get, you know, people together and get hard things done. that might be impossible with him, but that's -- you know, we fought the nra. we're the only purple state to actually get universal background checks passed. and we did that by, you know, going right at them. in the end, they would not be -- listen to reason.
i mean, every republican business person i knew was in favor of universal background checks. and finally, when we got the data -- you know, in a state like colorado, like 5.5 million people, getting half the gun purchases in 2012. there were 38 people who'd been convicted of homicide who tried to buy a gun, and we stopped them. 133 people convicted of sexual assault. 1,300 people convicted of felony assault. in all, there were 3,000 people convicted of violent crimes. and the republican legislators were still saying, you know, "well, crooks aren't stupid. they won't get a -- they're not gonna get a background check. why should the rest of us spend ten bucks and wait around?" and in the end, there were 140 people when they came to pick up their gun, we arrested them for an outstanding warrant for a violent crime. >> seth: that's fantastic. [ cheers and applause ] do you -- one of the -- you know, and it seems to me whoever is gonna be the democratic nominee will have to deal with this, because donald trump is obviously a name-caller and he likes to frame people in very narrow terms.
you did not want to identify as a capitalist the other day. donald trump said you were afraid of -- ashamed of capitalism. and then you have identified as a capitalist. how do you -- what are the solutions that this country can come up with as far as the income inequality within the frame of capitalism? >> you know, and i say, you know, this whole thing about -- about capitalists. i mean, it's a little bit if you ask me whether i was a nerd in high school. right? >> seth: mm-hmm. >> like, it's maybe not the first label i'd choose. >> seth: yeah. >> but it would be hard to argue with. right? >> seth: right, right. yeah. [ laughter ] >> i mean, i started -- i started 20 businesses. i created over a thousand jobs. i helped revitalize a large part of downtown denver. if you're gonna put a label on me, you might as well call me a capitalist. right? >> seth: right. >> but i think that labels divide us. and i think right now when you look at 75 to 80% of american families are living month-to-month and they're trying to figure out how to balance their budgets at the end of each month. if you look at -- i mean, capitalism in the american -- in the american dream is supposed
to provide security and opportunity for the middle class and for poor people. and right now, it's only helping people at the top. and i think rather than attaching labels to everything, we need to be figuring out how to get people to come together and really reinvent american capitalism in a way that works for everybody. >> seth: well it does strike me that -- [ applause ] you know, the right -- you know, there's this idea that, you know, young people are drifting towards socialism as if there hasn't been a failure in capitalism that has led them down that path. and it strikes me there has to just be this acknowledgment of, yes, we -- what you were just saying about people who are living month-to-month. if that's happening under a capitalistic society, i'm not criticizing capitalism. i think, it can work. but i think you can criticize the current capitalism and how it's forgetting about certain people. >> exactly. i think -- and you look globally, you know, the last 20, 25 years, some variation of capitalism has helped lift over a billion people out of abject poverty. right? so that's a powerful force. but, you know, in the united states right now, i mean,
people act as if millennials don't want to get married. and don't want to buy a house. right? that's a joke. they're being burdened by a mountain of debt from college debt. i mean, that's capitalism that's not working. and it's not working on all and it's not like we don't control the system. right? i mean, look at what teddy roosevelt did. look at what franklin delano roosevelt did. they helped make capitalism work for everybody. again, not just a few people at the top. >> seth: yeah. you -- one thing you break out of a crowd sometimes with a campaign commercials. you've had some pretty good ones back in the day. this is one -- you want to explain to me why you were in a shower for a campaign ad? [ laughter ] >> so the voiceover -- i got in and out of the shower about six times in this ad. and the voiceover is saying, "every time i hear a negative ad, i just feel dirty. i want to get clean." and you know, negative ads -- attack ads are one of the most polarizing things in american politics. and, you know, what i say is if you think about it, they work. i mean, they're very effective.
>> seth: yeah. >> you don't see them in business. coke doesn't do an attack against pepsi. they hate each other. right? it's worse than the hatfields and the mccoys. but if coke did an attack ad against pepsi's, pepsi's sales would go down. pepsi would have no choice but attack ad against coke. coke sales would go down. coke would attack pepsi. pepsi would attack coke. you depress the entire product category of soft drinks. what we're doing is we're depressing the product category of democracy. and we cannot afford to. >> seth: i want to ask about this, as well. [ applause ] so that's you. you actually jumped out of a plane for a campaign ad. [ light laughter ] >> well, not only did i jump out of the plane, this was a big issue. you know, we have the taxpayers' bill of rights, and limited government spending in some critical ways. and so this is the only idea. the idea was i had one line and i had somebody from me to you skydiving with me. >> seth: yeah. >> and i'm scared of heights. if i was standing on this desk, i'd be in a cold sweat. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] >> and i'm coming down, and i'm -- he's taking pictures of me, and i say something along
the lines of -- which i know exactly what i said, 'cause it terrified me. i said, "unfortunately, a glitch in taber means that money for important things like transportation, education and health care keeps falling." right? [ laughter ] and so i get down there -- you know, you fly off, and i'm talking to the guy. i'm practicing my lines. i jump. i do it. we do it. but we shot it like at dawn, you know, it's cheaper. saved money. [ light laughter ] and -- and then we get down there, and the guy looks at the videotape and he says, "well, it's almost good." [ laughter ] i go, "what are you talking about? it's almost good?" he goes, "well, there is a shadow as you flew out." i go, "no, no, no." he said, "well, we paid for a second jump." i said, "i'm not going up in that plane again." [ laughter ] and he said "well, it would have been a great ad, but this will be okay." i said, "all right. we'll go up." >> seth: so, you did it twice? >> we did it twice. [ laughter ] and as we go up the second time, the sky diver, who's the expert, you know, i go, "well, at least nowadays nobody ever dies skydiving." and he goes, "yeah. i mean, last year in the whole country only 32 people died." [ laughter ] i go, "what are you talking about? 32 people died!" >> seth: that's amazing. >> yeah, okay.