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>> dickerson: today on ""face the nation" dues the nuclear weapons deal with iran make america safer? is the obamacare website finally fixed? thus our thanksgiving book panel. the president heralded the agreement forged last weekend with one of the west's biggest foes, for the first time in a decade we halted the progress on iran's nuclear program. >> dickerson: but there is bipartisan disagreement in congress that the deal can work. we'll talk t two critics of the top senators on foreign relations committee, senator bob menendez and bob corker. we'll talk politics with wisconsin governor scott walker. and ask about his new book on his controversial actions against unions and his message for his party and the nation. some republicans think he could be candidate for the white house in 2016. we'll get analysis from former obama white house chief of staff
bill daly and bill crystal editor of "the weekly standard." then look at presidents, past, present and future. the authors of three new books, author of "the bully pulpit. and peter baker author of "days of fire." there are no leftovers here, this is ""face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. cbs news political director john dickerson. >> dickerson: there are two breaking stories this morning first a metro north commuter train derailed in new york city. so far four people have died and more than 60 are injured. some of them critically. no word yet on what caused the derailment. also today the obama administration says dramatic
progress has been made to the health care.gov website. to talk about that and last week's agreement to halt iran's nuclear weapons program in exchange for some loosening of the economic sanctions, i'm joined by the two top senators on the foreign relations committee, democrat chairman bob men mendez of new jersey and the ranking republican john work cork are joins us from chattanooga. senator menendez, the administration says healthcare.gov ask doing better. do you have confidence that's the case? >> well, the announcement today after response rates are under a second, error rates under 1%, 90% of the time the system is stable, it can handle 50,000 users, 800,000 visits a day if that's the case then that's good news. because what this really is about is the technology challenges. but i think what we've lost sight of is that the underlying
program itself, the product of the health insurance that americans will be able to access is critically important. so this is the equivalent of having a great item that you want to buy in a store but not being able to get through the front door. sounds like the front door has been opened successfully now and hopefully have americans get access to that health care they desperately need. >> dickerson: senator corker you know something about construction, the front door is fixed but there are other issues here in the system. there was delay before the thanksgiving holiday from the white house on the small business portion of the affordable care act, there had been other issues, insurance industry says there are delays getting good information from the website which means you won't actually be able to get a plan if those errors continue. where is your confidence on this getting back on some kind of a track? >> well, look, there are thousands of entities around the country that easily could have set this up with 600 million in three years. for all that -- we all get calls
from incredibly distressed citizens who have had their policies cancelled yet are unable to enroll in a new plan. i do hope that the efficacy of this is much better today and will improve. but at the end of the day while there will be a few winners most americans are going to find a less dynamic health system. they're going to find that the cost of the health care that they -- they're able to purchase is going to be a lot higher. and they're also going to realize that their choices are far less. so for our country, you are going to have continued downward pressure on employment. going to have upward pressure on that system, the foundation of this machine have some of the same kinds of problems that the roll out has had but they're fundamental, very hard to overcome and unfortunately as people enroll i think there's going to be a lot of negative surprises as to what they're able to enroll in. >> dickerson: repeople it, senator corker? >> look, i -- this is one of those things when you try to fix
one piece it affects another piece. for instance, the president's move which i'm glad he was trying to fix the promise that he made regarded people being able to stay on their planf that's the case then you have this situation where potentially a death spiral occurs then you end you have everything increasing costs for those people who do in fact enroll in the if you system. i don't know how you fix the many fundamental problems of this program. i'm a strong supporter of dynamic marketplace exchanges, i do think we need to equalize the tax code so that if you buy it individually you get the same benefits that you do through a company where it's tax free. i think there are things that need to be done and i think there are some elements that could be built upon. but gp&ly speaking the fundamentals of this to me were done in a way, chaotic way much like we're seeing the roll out. done in a way that there wasn't a vision at the end just an
amalgamation of legislation that didn't have a central focus so i don't know how you fix it. i'll be honest. i don't know how you fix a program that was put together in this manner with only one side of the aisle and taking the shortcuts that were taken to put it in place. >> dickerson: senator menendez, i just want to ask you one question. you used to be charged with helping get democratic senators elected or re-elected give us your political take quickly on how much of a wait the whole health care roll out and difficulty will be on democratic senators trying to get re-elected or win office. >> i think when we get to the period of time at the end of the year similar to the massachusetts plan when it was rolled out enrollment figures weren't great at the beginning, everybody waited towards the end. that was a success. i look at new jersey and i think it's a replication of what is out there for the nation. 70,000 young people are on their
parents' insurance because of the new law. 1.5 million women in new jersey are getting additional health care benefits as it relates to their personal health. senior citizens have saved $470 million in prescription drug benefits. 3.5 million new jerseyians no longer face lifetime arbitrary cap with a midge or illness. if that is a republican of what is happening across the country i think senators will be in a great position to say, you know, look, we are doing dramatic changes that help you be able to meet the challenges for your family of healthcare and eliminate some of the greatest evils that existed under the previous system where you could have a preexisting condition be denied health care. be be born with a disability be denied health care. have major illness face that lifetime cap and lose everything. these are the advantages of the programs no one speaks about.
>> dickerson: let's switch to iran. you said that the white house on this important deal with iran was fear mongering, what did you mean by that? >> well, i think that what bothered me was the statement made by jay carney that those of us who have been advocates of row prospective sanctions, take place six months later after this time period of negotiations would be had, would be there to be enforced if the deal fell through. and would in essence be stayed if there was a deal. that suggesting that that thought will somehow marching us off to war was way over the top. because as one of the architects of the sanctions regime we've had on iran, this is exactly the process that is brought iran to the negotiating table. so while we have heard naysayers in the past say, no, we shouldn't pursue those sanction, it seems to me that
prospectively looking for sanction, is that are invoked six months from the date of enactment they given the president sever wafers there for creates flexibility for diplomacy also sends message to iran as it has throughout the process that there is consequence if you don't strike a successful deal, and puts us in a position of having the insurance to have additional sanctions go in to affect at that time and at the same time gives administration the flexibility to negotiate. so i think it's a very responsible position. >> dickerson: senator corker i want to ask you about this interim arrangement. the administration, secretary of state kerry says, this -- program. if they don't keep their commitments the sanctions come back maybe even some harder ones or stiffer ones. what is not to like in the agreement? >> i think it's really difficult, i want to say this in a very strong bipartisan way, it's very difficult to understand that at the height of our leverage we have six
countries negotiating and the world behind us. we negotiated a deal of this nature with not a single senator final being dismantled all spinning for the next six months. i think that it's hard to see how you get to a place that meets the standard that we would want to meet at the end. so i'm very concerned especially with this interim deal how we get to a place where iran is not enriching constantly, or where they're right on the verge always of being able to break out and create a nuclear weapon. i have strong concerns about the proliferation that's going to occur in the area as people see this rogue nation being dealt with in this manner. basically us validating them over the next six months. again, i know senator menendez and i both will be working to try to figure out some way of ensuring that we get to the appropriate end game and it will be up to senator reed to decide
whether we have that opportunity on the floor of the next two or three weeks or whether he's going to continue to block for the administration so that that doesn't occur. i do hope, this is something senator menendez has done an outstanding job on, i give him credit, he and sector kirk we put ourselves, our nation in this place and i think that congress has played a very constructive role and can if allowed over the next several months, i hope we'll be able to. >> dickerson: let me ask you that question, what construcktive role can congress play here, the white house seems like it doesn't even want any piece of legislation even if it didn't kick in for six months they don't want that, what is leader reed going to do, what is the next move? >> well, look, i think creating a sanctions regime that is an insurance policy also creates leverage for us is incredibly important. i'm concerned about some elements of the text that people have nt focused on. for example, already in that
text relates to what is defined as comprehensive solution some suggestion that we are going to define what a mutually agreeable enrichment program s. we've already seeded a way from u.n. security council saying no enrichment. secondly there is the ability to extend this interim agreement and to deal with the u.n. journal unless deal with the way i don't know what there is to deal. the security council calls for creasing enrichment. lastly there is provision here that envisions a comprehensive solution a sunset clause that would say that after a period of time, which is not defined, that the iranians would be treated as any nonnuclear weapons state that means that they could after that period of time enrich uranium without any consequence and without any limitations, they could seek plutonium track without any limitations. those are real concerns.
defining both what the end state is as well as having sanctions regime that is ready to go should the deal not fall through. i hope the deal can be successful. obviously diplomacy something we want to see work. but we need to be ready to move forward. >> dickerson: senator corker is it a red line for you, you talked about the standards of any ultimate deal, is enrichment of any kind by iran is that something everybody should stay focused on that any deal that includes that is a nonstarter for you because of course iranians say they expect to be able to keep enriching. >> to me that's a baseline that the u.n. current has agreed. to they negotiated that in 2010. as long as they can enrich it seems to me that we are violating the very standards that we set in place in the first place. so, yes, i think enrichment for country especially like iran
shown to have secret programs, as have been seen to be a rogue nation their ability to enrich there's in to disarray, if you will, all the other agreements that we're negotiating around the world with vietnam, with south korea, with other countries that have played by the rules. i think it throws the proliferation issue in to disarray also. so, yes. to me that is something that cannot exist. but, look, we don't even address the ballistic testing issue. there's so many issues in this next six months that are not addressed. as a matter of fact some people have said iran may wish to cheat over the next six months, i see no way that they're going to want to cheat. this is a total victory from their standpoint. i think they're going to be good actors over the next six months because they see an administration who led this negotiation, an administration that already given tilt to allowing them do the things that the world community through the
u.n. security council already said they cannot do. i'm very discouraged i hope we're able to have a better end game than it look like we'll have now i think congress can help us get there. >> dickerson: senator corker, thank you so much. we'll have to end it there. senator menendez. we'll be back. spent
>> dickerson: joining me now is wisconsin governor republican scott walkerment he's written a new book "unintimidated: a governor's story and a nation's challenge" he joins us from madison. hello, governor, i want to start with the theme over charging theme of this book your argument is what you've been able to do in wisconsin should be a model for republicans across the nation and in washington. let's think about that with respect to health care. you fought president's health care law in the courts, also declared that you didn't want any additional medicaid money from that.
but once it was passed you said it's the law and you put some of your citizens in to the federal exchange. is that the model for republicans that -- now that the law is passed work within it and not try these efforts to continue to repeal it. >> i think long term a much better option for us here in wisconsin and across the country replace it with something better. market driven, just as senator corker talked about. we have now put everyone -- putting everyone second quarter of this coming year everyone living in poverty covered for the first time in state's history everyone living above it will be transitioned to the marketplace. we actually have fewer people on medicaid than before this program. fewer people living on government dependencies. that's what we're doing in the time being. in the long term it's not the status quo, we can't go back to the status quo go to a market-driven position where the tax incentives are the same whether you buy it through your
employer or individually or that is by it through health savings account. >> dickerson: that market driven approach. in washington the republicans went home to thanksgiving and you also said that the republicans should not just say no to the president. republicans in washington went home for thanksgiving with a 40 page booklet how they could exploit the problems the president is having with his health care program. good politics maybe, but oosperm to be saying that republicans need to offer an alternative. is that right? >> i do. i think overall one of the things i wrote about in this book is austerity is not the answer, reform s. what americans are hungry for, the reason why i want a state where the few months carried that state as the same margin just over seven percentage points in both cases those undecided persuadable voters more than anything want leadership. people to stand up and tell them what they're going to do. in our case i think there is a much better market driven solution whether it comes from health care, entitlements just
have the courage to stand up and do it in the states where republicans are the mo successful today. >> dickerson: you talk about the sour politics of austerity are you talking about your cousins in washington, republicans running things here? >> well, i talk about the difference between republicans in washington and republicans in the states, one of the key differences we talk about things that are relevant and optimistic, talk about ticking schools, balancing budgets, getting the economy going. don't talk about see questions terse and debt ceilings those are things that handful of people in politics want to. not fight against each other, fight for the hard working taxpayers in america there are 30 republican governors doing that just as we speak. >> dickerson: many of those 30 republican governors and you have the benefit of having legislature that is all in the same direction, all republican. so, in washington that's not the case. it's got everybody here stuck a little bit. so how do you transfer the wisconsin model, everybody is on
the same team to, washington? where they're not and that causes a lot of gridlock. >> historically a lot of the talk, conventional wisdom in washington that divided government was somehow good because it would be checks and balances. most of us across the country have dean divided government leads to more fighting and bickering. in wisconsin many other battleground states of the midwest in 2010 we focused on our economic and fiscal crises laid out a clear plan and then voters in my state, many other in my surrounding states gave republicans not only the governor's office but majorities in the assembly similar measures in the legislature. in 2014 republicans need to layout optimistic measure to regain the senate then after that house and senate are controlled by republicans then republican nominee needs to make that ultimate case to give the party a chance. just like we've done successfully in state after state all across this great country. >> dickerson: anybody running for president this talk of being
work across the aisle that is not useful in your view. >> well, i think it is. there are instances where that can work whether one party is in control or split government out there. but i think in the end what people want to hear is whether it's democrat or republican want to hear a clear plan of how to move forward. the more people look at the mess in washington, realize that divided government does not work. that gridlock, fighting for the sake of fighting is not working. if you look at states, look across america, since last year's convention i pointed out that the convention speech just about everyone since then that the unemployment rate in states led by republican governors is consistently 1% lower, 1% better than states led by democrat governors. look at the difference between failures in illinois versus the benefits of what's happening in state like wisconsin you compare texas to california. virginia to maryland. ample where people can see the real difference those are the things we talk about in our
book. >> dickerson: you are getting heralded for your focus, i want to ask you about that in a political context you say that in your book you say you were focused on fiscal issues, you are proudly pro life but not obsessed about it is that a message for the republican party, focus on the fiscal issues when it comes to social issues let's not be obsessed about it. >> yeah. i'm not backing away from my positions. i'm proudly pro life. for me the reason i was elected in 2010, and re-elected in 2012 and yet again in 2014 like other governors is because we focused obsessively on helping fix the economy and the private sector and helping put in place a balanced budget that can sustain us above state and local level. people want us to do that. not just politically popular it's what people elect us to do. i get to the point where i was so focused on fixing our economic and fiscal crisis you could have asked me in a forum what my mother's maiden name,
and i'd say it's fitch, and every fitch i know. >> dickerson: what do the fitchs say about you running for president? >> they're not talking about it because of some great speech. we have taken real action and real reforms i'm not the only one out there. you look at governors across the country whether it's chris christie, rick perry, there are people talking about each of them as well. why? because in each and everyone of those statesman 'others like them they are leaders in the republican party who are chief executives getting big, bold things done. i think that is what people are hungry for not only in the states but across the country. >> dickerson: last question, governor, are you running? >> i'm regioning for governor. i'll make that announcement in 2014. we'll see what happens after that. ultimately my decision will be made not just by myself and my family but i've got to look at my state. my state has gone through a lot, there's a part of me just like to stay focused on helping the
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