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>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer. today on "face the nation" the uneasy conversation about race as new congress. one of the new york police officers assassinated police officers is being laid to rest today. but a showdown is looming between new york cops and mayor bill de blasio over handling of the case. what happens next. we'll talk to new york's democratic senator, chuck schumer. will the anger against police in the black community spread? we'll talk to maryland democratic congressman elijah coupling. we'll get a republican take from former house speaker newt glick griffin. we'll explore the the over civil rights film "selma" with the head of the lbj presidential library, mark updegrove. and we'll check in with delaware
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senator chris coons just back from liberia with report on what is right and what's wrong why the effort to combat ebola. all-star panelist of analysts because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning thousands of police officers from all over the country are gathering for the funeral of win january liu one of the police officers associated two weeks ago in the wake of the fewer other over the deck of eric garner at the hands of the new york police department. one of those attending the funeral is new york's democratic senator charles schumer we spoke to him earlier. senator, as you and literally thousands of people from across the nation gather to honor officer liu hanging overall of it is this nasty situation that's developed between the mayor and new york police department. we now understand that arrests
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are down 66%, traffic citations down 90%. every category of arrest statistics show dramatic drop. what is going on here and is this reaching a crisis state? >> no, i don't think it is, bob. let me first say today is day honor officer l irku and his family and men and women of the police department. liu signifies the greatness of new york. poor immigrant, came from china worked really hard, very difficult job, volunteered -- he was volunteer police officer for three years before he became a police officer. and he like the other police officers, do the great job making new york the safest city of large cities in the country. now, as for the divide i think new yorkers agree, we need a very strong police department that continues to keep crime down and we need good community
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police relations. they started to talk to one another, both sides, that is going to continue. i don't think it's unreefable. if they continue talking i think we can solve this problem. >> schieffer: well, former mayor guiliani said on this broadcast last week that all this -- best step to resolve this would be first thing to mayor de blasio should apologize to the police. do you believe that's the way to do it? >> look, we're a few hours from officer liu's funeral i'm not going to get in to anything to take away from honoring him. >> schieffer: i take your point, senator schumer. this is a very serious situation, people around the country are watching for some action. you're the senator from new york. are you saying you're not going to take a position on this at all? >> no. i think that again, having talked to people on both sides, i think that the chasm is not
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unbridgeable at all. commissioner bratton has done a good job in los angeles in dealing with this issue well. he's dealing with the issue well here. and i think it can be solved. >> schieffer: all right. i'll let it go at that. let's talk about the new congress that is going to convene. we understand the first thing that republicans are going to do is pass the keystone pipeline legislation. the president hasn't said flatly that he's going to veto it but looks like it's headed that way. what do you see happening there? >> well, look, our republican colleagues say this is a jobs bill. but that's really not true at all. by most estimates it would create several thousand temporary construction jobs only 35 permanent jobs. compare that to the number of jobs created in the economy last month, 300,000. and so democrats are dubious at this. but we're going to introduce
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amendments to make it more of a jobs bill. we're going to introduce an amendment to say that the steel used in the pipeline should be made in america, creating american jobs. introduce amendment that says that the oil that is used in the pipeline should be used in america, imagine. building pipeline that ships canadian oil across america to be exported to other countries from texas. that makes no sense at all in terms of american working people's interests. we're going to say that the oil should stay here. and finally we're going to introduce an amendment to add clean energy jobs. if you do things for wind and solar energy you create tens of thousands of more jobs using clean energy. why create a very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from tar sands when you can create tens of thousands more clean jobs using wind and solar. you know, our republican
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colleagues are doing what they always do. they're appeasing few special interests, in this case oil companies and pipeline companies not really doing what's good for the -- >> schieffer: let me -- in terms of creating jobs. i think bob in conclusion we will have enough votes to sustain a presidential veto. >> schieffer: so, even if these amendments pass you would still urge the president to veto this legislation? >> well, yes. i don't think -- these amendments will make it better but certainly not good enough at this point in time. i think there will be enough democratic votes to sustain the president's veto. >> schieffer: senator -- need much different energy policy. >> schieffer: thank you, sir. and we turn now to maryland congressman elijah cumming. senator schumer seemed reluctant
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to talk about this divide between the police and people in the black community but this is a very, very serious thing which i know that senator would agree with that part. but i'm going to ask you, do you see what's happening in new york, is that indicative of what the situation is around the country? do you see that spreading from new york? where do you see this going? because it is an extremely complicated and very difficult issue. >> let me first express my condolences to the liu family and grateful for all the policemen do for us all over the country. it is a national problem, no doubt about it. keep in mind that these protests, bob, took place all over, in every state. even in london. people are feeling as if they -- justice is not meted out the same way everywhere.
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they look at these police tactics and they look at situations where deadly force has been used. and they see african american men in particular dying. one survey ted that the 400 or so deaths from police officers with guns that 96% of them were white officers killing african americans. that's a problem. and so i think what we have to do, we have to tone it down a little bit. and try to create an atmosphere where police and community are working together to solve problems bring some solutions to these problems. keep in mind, cincinnati had major problems a few years ago. and they sat down, they worked with the community worked with police, able to come up with some good solutions.
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>> schieffer: i understand exactly what you're saying but the fact is police put their lives on the line. >> that's right. >> schieffer: how do you combine an appreciation of that with getting to the root of what you see and what i see as very real problems. >> no doubt about it. they have a dangerous job. i have policemen in my family. there's little room for error. but i think what we have to make folks realize, police realize, not us against them. in a community must realize it's not us against them. it's us working together. and so trust has to be established. three things we got to do. look at tracking, first of all to see how pervasive she's problems are. training to make sure that police are properly trained to address issues and may be issues where excessive force should not be used and then got to have accountability. all three of those things are so
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important. the police have to understand that they need to community and the community needs them. i practiced law for years, criminal law for years. i can tell you bob you're not going to solve crime without cooperation of the community. so we've got to show that it's a win-win situation. i say police and community it's not about moving to common ground. we've got to move to higher ground this has to be a win-win for everybody. >> schieffer: you have asked for congressional hearings, will that make a difference here? everybody is always investigating something do we need congressional hearings? >> i believe that we need -- we investigated the affordable care act in 3,000 hearings. we need to look at this. this is something that affects a very significant part of our population. we need to deal with this and we can deal with it but got to sit down and say, okay, we got to go
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in another direction, we've got to work together. right after i sent a letter asking the president to establish a task force, which he has now done asking them to look at idea of body cameras. he is endorsed that. we're seeing movement already, i along with chairman ranking member thompson and other ranking members have asked the speaker to pull together hearings, because speaker already said not a bad idea. i think it will be helpful. >> schieffer: i wish you the best on that. thank you very much. next up former speaker of the house and 2012 republican presidential candidate newt gingrich, he is also a cnn contributor, just want to get republican take on what we've been hearing and what we've been talking about this morning. >> first of all i think we do need criminal justice reform.
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seen people like rick perry in texas do it. the system doesn't work right. we have people locked up who shouldn't be. we tear apart communities that need young men to be able to go back home. we need serious hearings at the federal level. second has to be some recognition, this will probably get me in trouble, young people should be told when policeman tells you to to stop, stop. there's a dual requirement. first african american president, you have african american attorney general, six years their effort, we're some ways further apart. that's a tragic failure of leadership at the very top. you have the community has to respect the police. the police have to respect the community. and both have failed. >> schieffer: are you saying that this is the the fault of barack obama? >> i'm saying that the president uses language which is divisive. automatically jumps to conclusions about things he
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doesn't know. the attorney general clearly has given speeches that are divisive. i'm just suggesting to you just as tragic lost opportunity you would think that six years in to the first african american president there would be a sense in the community of us coming closer together. that hasn't happened. let me remind you the two people who have done the most to save african american lives in new york city were rudy guiliani and mike bloomberg. actually saved thousands of lives by focusing on crime in a very intelligent way candidly if chicago were to be as aggressive as new york you'd be saving hundreds of african american lives a year in chicago. >> schieffer: let me ask you about something going on here in washington this is the situation that's grown up around congressman steve, part of republican leadership in the house who turns out that what is it 12 years ago he made a speech
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to a white supremacy group some democrats saying he ought to leave. speaker boehner says he's standing with him. i don't think that this helps the republican case in any way what about congressman scalise. >> first of all i admire your professionalism. you went through that without breaking up. the president for years went to church who pastor said hateful things about americans. the president says he didn't hear any of them. we all gave him a pass. gave a great speech in philadelphia, we got it. he went to that church a long time. listened to reverend wright a long cases. bob bird who was majority leader who was clan leader. a justice who was a clan leader, they were democrats. so being in the clan was okay. fact is only african american member of the louisiana delegation, says that steve scalise does not have a racist bone in his body. the first republican african
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american woman has been extraordinarily helpful. he's deeply committed catholic who condemns hate organizations. gave a speech on taxes 12 years ago. now for a 12-year-old speech to be blown up in to a national story is frankly one more example of a one-sided view of reality. >> schieffer: what does this do -- let's just talk about pom particulars side of it. here you have -- coming up on the 2016 race. aren't republicans going to have to find some way to appeal to hispanics and african americans what is that way because i think you would agree right now if you just look at it it doesn't look like they're doing very much. >> steve scalise is the whip. if he helps organize the kind of hearings that is called for f. we see action on real things that affect real lives.
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but didn't you 12 years ago stupidly schedule a group. was endorsed by the biggest black newspaper. governor deal doubled his share of the african american vote. driven in part by criminal justice reform. senator corning carried latino vote in texas and gubernatorial candidate got 44%. in colorado, republican candidate tied democratic incumbent 48-48 with latinos. i believe we can have very different election in '16. i don't think demography is destined. but solving problems is going to do very well. >> schieffer: newt gingrich always good to have you. we'll be back in one minute to talk with the director of lyndon johnson presidential library, mark updegrove.
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>> schieffer: now and yet another complication in this story of racial conversation that is going on, we turn to the controversy over the "selma" followed martin luther king junior's efforts in the 1960s civil rights movement historians former staffers and friends say the movie is historically inaccurate, dead wrong. how it portrays johnson and his approach to the voting rights act. mark updegrove is director of the lbj presidential library and an author and joins us from austin. mr. updegrove, just tell me first of all what is it that this movie gets wrong in your eyes? >> well, let me first start by saying that i commend the policeman makers for taking on this subject which is so worthy. for the most part they do it
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quite responsibly. i hope it serves as a catalyst for others to learn more about the civil rights movement, which i believe to be the most consequential domestic movement of the 20th century. i think as they do they will learn about the very productive harmonious and ultimately very consequential partnership between dr. martin luther king and president lyndon baines johns son. you don't see how productive that was and came to bear on our getting voting rights in this country. >> schieffer: beyond saying it doesn't quite come across the film suggests that johnson was trying to slow down this whole thing that he was one of the impediments that martin luther king junior had to move aside. i have listened to the tapes of that era. i know some of the what johnson said to king and what sing said back to him. tell us a little bit about what
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your research shows? >> certainly. there's a conversation that anyone can listen to, it's taped telephone conversation between martin luther king and lyndon johnston took place january 15, 1965, largely ribbed kates johnson. what it shows his passion around voting rights. the two of them spur each other one more or less. and johnson says to martin luther king, you know, if you show the very worst of voting right oppression in the south and get it on tv, get it on the radio, get it in newspapers, there isn't fellow who drives a tractor who won't say that isn't right. that isn't fair. that's a direct quote from johnson. he said, if you do that, we can shove legislation through congress. it will be more significant even than civil rights act of 1964 which of course ended legal segregation in america. >> schieffer: mr. updegrove let me just play short portion
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of that tape because i think it underlines hearing you say it now let's listen to johnson and what he said. >> that i that one illustration get it on radio, get it on television get it on -- in the meetings, get every place you can. pretty soon the fellow didn't do anything but follow drive a tractor say that's not trite that's not fair. >> schieffer: when you listen to that tape it's hard to come away believing what this film suggests is johnson was trying to slow down this process. as i understand it, is he saying to king find some of the worst things you can focus attention on it and that will help me bring pressure on the congress to pass this. >> that's exactly what happened, bob. lyndon johnson realized he couldn't introduce the voting
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rights act so soon after passing the civil rights he had legislative wherewithal to know that that would not go through congress. he didn't have the power. he told martin luther king that i don't have the power to get this through. you need to help me find that power. and indeed that gave the campaign in selma gave lyndon johnson the mother impetus to introduce it. that fellow on the tractor, did conclude it was not right. there were basic injustices in america that should not stand. and reluctant congress ultimately passed the voting rights act after selma. selma was catalyst in making that happen. >> schieffer: what do you think happened here, mr. updegrove? i know that andy young who was a top aide to martin luther king junior, was part of this. he said the movie got that part dead wrong. yesterday clifford alexander one of johnson's top aide, an
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african american later secretary of the army he says they got it wrong. what happened here? >> well there's no litmus test for movies that based on history. there's no standard that says you got this wrong, you got to correct that. on your very air on cbs two mornings ago the great civil rights leader concluded that the movie needed a villain. and what better villain than president of the united states. unfortunately just doesn't ring true historically. >> schieffer: i want to thank you very much for joining us this morning. i'll be right back with personal thoughts about some good news in washington.
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the "wall street journal" reports that white house officials are telling journal reporters they are planning a strategy to work with congress to pass some significant trade corporate tax overhaul and infrastructure legislation. and the journal says, republicans seem to be interested. after a steady diet of bad news and partisan blather that ray of hope upset my digestion but sure enough that's what the article said. so what about all those unilateral actions the president's been taking that put republicans in such a it? here is a direct quote from white house spokesman. those disagreements should not interfere with many areas of bipartisan interest where we can work together. as if to herald a new age of miracle, some republicans seem ready to talk especially on trade. if that is so can filling
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