tv Face the Nation CBS March 8, 2015 5:00pm-5:31pm PDT
>> schieffer: welcome back. continuing our conversation about hilary e-mails with senator chuck
schumer. do you believe senator, that she is obligated to come forward and give some sort of public explanation of why she did this? >> well, bottom line is very simple bob. that is if she complete ly complied with the law different secretaries of state have made different choices. colin powell i think did similar to her. but she's turning over more documents than anybody else, 55,000. i think she's come forward mob thaws just about anybody else has. >> schieffer: isn't this sort of -- i mean, it may not be legal but does it really pass the smell test? after all by doing it the way she did it she could delete e-mails without anybody knowing she deleted them.
>> well, the law is that you preserve the e-mails and no one has alleged that any of them were deleted. the fact that she had so many of them. the fact sha she turned them over before all this came public i think in october the state department asked all secretaries
of state to send their e-mails over and she's the only one who has done it. >> schieffer: doesn't this sort of reinforce what some of the critics have said about the clinton family over the years that they will cut a corner when they can and we have this now we have disclosures about foreign governments giving to the clinton foundation. just seems to raise a whole lot of issues that people used to have and it looks like they're back in the news. >> well, look, i mean, bottom line she's a national figure, potential presidential candidate. people are going to shoot at her. i know her. we were the two senators for
new york for eight years she's is one of the most finest, most upstanding, most hone rabble people. always trying to do the right things. cares deeply about the country and the middle class. this is politics. this is how it is. i don't think the public is going to pay much attention to this. they care much more about middle class people, who is going to get their wages going up again. who is going to create good paying jobs. these are the issues that matter to people despite the little storm we have in washington right now. >> schieffer: let me turn to the iran deal, you heard prime minister netanyahu this morning, you heard president obama should congress vote and approve a deal with iran if in fact one is reached? >> well, if one is reached. i think senator mcconnell overreached when he put the bill on the floor without bipartisan support. israel-american relationship has always been bipartisan. i was interested to hear not say raise debt controlling that is a little bit of gamesmanship, not
in answer to your question but i think worth noting. bottom line, congress passed the sanctions itself. congress has very much an interest in the sanctions not like president negotiated some arrangement far away in congress had no say. second congress is going to have to do something about this anyway because iran will never sign an agreement where they say permanent and president waves them. going to be a new president in a year and a half. what the bill did layout a way to do it, it shouldn't be done, i nash it shouldn't be done. before there is an agreement, if there is an agreement that the deadline of the 24th,
congress has right to weigh in i support it. >> schieffer: all right. senator, thank you so much. >> thanks, bob. appreciate it. >> schieffer: we'll be right back.
bob yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday the march for voting rights from selma to montgomery that ended up protesters being beaten. one of them injured congress than john lewis made the margin yesterday along with president obama, former president george w. bush and other leaders in the civil rights movement. >> if someone had told me that we were crossing this bridge that one day i would be back here introducing the first african american president, i would have said, you're crazy you're out of your mind, you
don't know what you're talking about. president barack obama! [ applause ] >> we can protect the foundation of our democracy with so many march across this bridge that is the right to vote. [ applause ] voting rights act the culmination of so much blood so much sweat and tears, product of so much sacrifice in the face of wonton violence, voting rights act, future subject of political rancer how can that be? the voting rights act was one of the crowning achievements of our democracy, the result of republican and democratic efforts. president reagan signed it when
he was in office. president george w. bush signed it renewal when he was in office. 100 members of congress have come here today to honor people who are willing to die for the rights of if we want to honor this day let that 100 go back to washington gather 400 more and together, to restore that law this year. >> schieffer: we are joined by senator tim scott the first black republican elected from the south since reconstruction. he is in montgomery, alabama. he was in selma yesterday. senator, thank you so much for joining us. you heard the president yesterday make that pitch to congress to restore the voting rights act. do you support that and are you going to push your leadership to run this through the senate? >> i certainly, bob, i would tell you i think every single american should demand making sure that every other american
has right to vote. i think we're all on the same page on that. the question how do we get there. specifically punish six southern states for atrocities that happened 40 or 50 years ago without updating that formula seems to be discriminatory in and of itself. what i would support is take second view of the voting rights act and look at seeing how we can apply universally to all americans, every place. let's judge people based on performance today not 40 or 50 years ago. >> schieffer: well, so, in other words you're not for restoring it as it was but a new version of it? >> when you look at the triggers back in the '70s and '60s the south carolina no longer qualifies. look at current history of the current state. the governor of south carolina, she is indian-american. i was elected statewide to the united states senate by the voters of south carolina i was
first elected to congress at the home, the start of the civil war. there's no doubt about the fact that there has been amazing progress throughout the south and we should make sure that the formula, is that are used do not punish the history of the state but should represent present state of affairs. >> schieffer: senator, let me ask you candidly how do you think the first black president in america has done in terms of improving race relations? >> i would say that we have had probably neutral position on progressing from a racial perspective in america over the last few years. we have not made as much progress as some would have liked to have seen. if you look at specifically the challenges faced by black america, last six years have been challenging. unemployment rate is near 12% overall. poverty rate near 28%. i will tell you last six years have not been good but most folks, middle america and down
this has not been a good economy for those of us who live in middle class america and living now. there is a lot of opportunity for progress, john lewis spoke about what that looks like going forward, he specifically said education is the key. education is the key. he said it several times yesterday. i wanted to say it twice because my opportunity agenda focuses on the foundation of the american dream and starts with education. you can have a fantastic life here in america in the south, in the north and west and east if you focus your attention on outcomes driven by expectations. >> schieffer: let me ask you this congressman, do you think the justice department ought to dismantle the police department in ferguson as some are suggesting? >> you know, i looked at some of the information, i will tell you that the challenges faced by ferguson police departments goes very, very deep. we have to pay close attention
to what happens next. i'm not sure what is going to happen next. i don't think i don't think the justice department knows what is going to happen next. a thorough investigation is important and necessary. >> schieffer: let me just close, senator by saying i called you congressman i apologize for that. you are the first black senator from the south since reconstruction. and it's been a pleasure to talk to you this morning. thank you sir. >> thanks, bob. thanks for having me back on "face the nation." >> schieffer: all right. in montgomery for benjamin crump represents the family of trayvon martin the young boy killed in cleveland and michael brown. we had quite a celebration down in selma yesterday congressman -- mr. crump, but it comes in the week that the department of justice unveiled a scathing damning report of
racial abuses in the ferguson police department. the the out going attorney general, eric holder says he's going to fix that. do you think he can? >> we have to look at not only what he said in the doj report on the ferguson police and this systemic, the scathing report of discrimination and police excessive force on african americans. also we have to look at these individual shooters and we can't have the department of justice sanitizing all these of people of color who are unarmed. we have to address that head on if we don't have consequences then we won't see any results if our most epidemic that you see unarmed people of color being killed all over america. >> schieffer: well as devastating as this report was
there is not going to be any charges brought against police officer darren wilson who killed that young man. how do you get justice for this family? what happens next? >> first of all we have to look at the high standard that attorney general holder, we have to prove what was in the mind of the shooter that it was some hate, some racism that is such a high standard. instead of having this explicit, should be where we can show implicit bias. you look at that report you see all of these scathing facts come out about racism. don't you think that spills over to the individual officers? we got to address, we can't stick our head in the sand if we really want to stop this from happening on the 50th anniversary of selma now looking at -- have to be honest about it
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>> schieffer: we talk to all of this an our panel on week that we were rulely, i don't know about you but i was overwhelmed by all this. ruth marcus with the "washington post." welcome april ryan to the broadcast she's the white house correspondent for american urban radio networks. the author of "the presidency in black and white. march guess brennan is our intrepid state department correspondent and gerry seib with the "wall street journal." april, what did you think of the president's speech? i must say from standpoint of oratory best speech he's made in a long time. >> it is the best speech he's made in a long time. it was impactful he brought in not just -- didn't just talk about the struggle in the black community and what happens in selma. also touched on every community in the nation.
he brought us together as we the people. we shall overcome. and yes we can. at the end he brought in that rousing scripture from isaiah he brought it out with a moment of the obama that we seem to understand and gravitate to when he was running for president. >> schieffer: this was not the college professor speaking in the abstract that so many people have expressed some disappointment in the president from time to time. this sounded like a very different. >> it was heartfelt as april said. also i thought one of the things that was fascinating used the speech not only to discuss the state of african american america and all america but also to implicitly answer his critics on the question of american exceptionalism does he love -- underlying question does he love the country. to talk about exceptionalism of america as being understanding
america as a work in progress and constant struggle towards improvement. and i thought it was just a fascinating linkage of those two things especially on a week as you discussed earlier in the show that we had this appalling report about ferguson to say what fantastic moment for john lewis, beaten on the bridge, could be introducing an african american president. and he did really the most interesting job in the speech on we are exceptional because we are constantly improving. >> schieffer: gerry which brings us to ferguson the same week as president makes this speech you have this week's celebration down in selma this appalling report comes out the justice department reports on what's going on down there in ferguson. do you think that anything that happened this week in selma will push the administration and justice department to try to do something about that? >> there's a line in the speech that rang in that, america is
strong enough to be self critical that's what this justice department report was about. being strong enough to be critical to the way justice is dispensed in the country right now. you sort of have sense of eric holder. the attorney general who is leaving kind of wanted to leave a legacy here he decided that the -- not going to be prosecution of the white police officer in ferguson but there could be systemic change in the way justice is dispensed not at the top in washington but around the country. so, yeah i think so, this is going to start the ball rolling that is going to be moving for a long time and discussed for a long time. >> schieffer: i've got to ask you about the hilary e-mail story. you think you've heard everything then you get this report. you know, those on hillary clinton's side there is nothing illegal here, we get lot of people have done this in the past. have a lot of people done this in the past margaret? >> e-mails? no not like she did. secretary albright, powell,
rice we didn't e-mail for official business or when we did we have gone through -- we don't have access to those records. hillary clinton not only exceptional secretary of state because of her history as first lady because of her prominence but also realized solely on personal e-mail. that is this new territory and state department lawyers are really sort of hashing this out right now, to be honest they seem quite surprised at the outcry trying to figure out how they're going to possibly sort through these 55,000 pages redact some of the personal information then decide going through the freedom of information act process which can actually be publicly released. i don't think we're going to see the e-mails for a long time in the public space. >> schieffer: what is your take on this? it just revives all those old stories of the clintons will take advantage whenever they have chance. >> it sure does, with all due respect to your guest senator
seweller this is lot more than a hiccup. i won't continue the metaphor. but the notion as secretary clinton folks have been saying thee complied with the spirit and letter of the law it was clear to everybody especially aftermath of the controversy over the bush white house use of personal e-mails, something secretary clinton herself criticized that better course if you're going to be government official use your official e-mail. everybody seemed to know that except for secretary clinton. if you didn't use your american e-mail make sure that that stuff got transferred not after the fact after congressional commit these ask for it but in realtime. >> schieffer: april, you covered the clinton family for a long time. >> i have. i find it very interesting, i think former secretary hillary
clinton will have to make a statement about this. hearing on your show the clinton sent 80,000 pieces of e-mails to state department and state department has onus on this. but democrats saying 55,000, either way it's a lot. looking for benghazi and libya he hasn't seen the pieces, the e-mails that he's looking for. she needs to come out and make clarity before she runs or potentially runs for president of the united states. >> schieffer: why would she do it? you watched for a long time as i have. why decide to do this. >> release the e-mails? >> schieffer: decide to have private e-mails. >> that's the real question. why do it this way. why subject yourself he. now the problem is, this will, a, go on for a long time. it's going to take a long time toe redact 55,000 e-mails. and b, in the meantime, this keeps the benghazi story alive.
this is way to keep the benghazi question rolling on for months and months. that's exactly what is going to happen now. why put yourself in this position. that's really the question people are scratching their heads about. >> i think if we can secretary clinton we know the answer to. she has a history unfortunate history, one that doesn't seem to be adequately learning from, of always erring on the side of keeping things behind closed doors and secret rather than going for full disclosure. i would guess that she figures this was better way to protect herself and not for the first time without being much more harm than doing it the regular way would have ended up being for her. >> schieffer: you know, this team of rivals that president obama put together in this administration, was it possible that she did this because she
didn't want some of the rivals, could this keep these e-mails out of their reach? >> even they they came together, state department was separate from a white house and lot of ways. but i suspect that she was told, state department was told the white house has said and did say this white house that all e-mails should go through the account. the white house account. they understand that you have a life before, you have gmail or anything will be transferred but to not do that. she just didn't want to conflate both issues maybe. we don't know. but she needs to come out and talk about it. >> what we know in 2008 or around that time platal aide working for them set this account up. what we don't know what the state department lawyers decided when hillary clinton came in to office which was kosher or not.
appears what president obama told bill plante he wasn't aware of it, the state department they did know she often used personal account. in this edibly charged political environment making these decisions right now. and right now it does not appear what hillary clinton's camp feels the need. >> one would think state department documents this is totally kosher way to proceed that we might have -- >> schieffer: is it going to be an issue? >> sure, it's going to be an issue. as ruth said it adds to the narrative. whether that is the spirit it is going to be an issue. >> schieffer: thank you all very much. this is one of those things that obviously we're going to hear more about before it's over. and we'll be right back.
assassination of a vocal russian opposition leader. one suspect blows himself up. good evening, i'm ann notarangelo. and i'm brian hackney. the case is still shrouded in after more than a week a suspect blows himself up. good evening. the case is still in mystery. who ordered the attack on the street. five people arrested and has we learned one of them confessed to being involved. >> reporter: three men involved tried covering their faces. among five