tv Face the Nation CBS November 13, 2016 8:30am-9:01am PST
captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation," mr. trump goes the washington and takes a victory lap after the greatest real estate acquisition of them all, the white house. the ultimate outsider begins his transition to the highest office in the land amidst promise and protest. will president-elect trump change washington, or will washington change him? will he keep his more controversial campaign promises, or is everything negotiable? >> they're talking about a fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would. but certain areas a wall is more appropriate. >> dickerson: we'll get a preview from his first post-election interview that will air tonight on "60 minutes." plus can trump unify the republican party and the nation? >> we are now talking about how we're going to hit the ground running to make sure that we can get this country turned around
and make america great again. >> meaghan: we'll talk with former speaker of the house and trump transition team member newt gingrich, and after a thorough defeat, democrats look to rebuild. we'll sit down with former presidential hopeful senator bernie sanders and talk about that and his new book. we'll also hear from our politics panel and sit down with cbs news journalists you don't normally see on camera, our 2016 embedded campaign reporters. what did they learn from voters along the way? it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. president-elect donald trump sat down with "60 minutes" lesley stahl on friday. she asked mr. trump which campaign promises he expects to keep. >> let's go through very quickly some of the promises you made and tell us if you're going to do what you said or if you're going to change it in any way. are you really going to build a wall? >> yes. >> reporter: they're talking about a fence in the republican congress.
would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would, but certain areas a wall is more appropriate. i'm very good at construction. there could be some fencing. >> reporter: what about the pledge to deport millions and millions of unl -- undocumented immigrants? >> what we are going to do is get the people that are criminals and have criminal records, gang members, probably two million, it could be four million, we're getting them out of our country or we're going to incarcerate. we're getting them out of our country. they're here illegally. after the border is secured and after everything gets normalized we're going to make a determination on the people that you're talking about who are terrific people. they're terrific people. we're going to make a determination. but before we make that determination, it's very important, we're going to secure our border. >> dickerson: all right. lesley stahl's interview with
donald trump and the trump family will air on tonight's "60 minutes" after football. joining us now is former speaker of the house and vice-chair of the trump transition team newt gingrich. he is also the author of the upcoming novel "treason." welcome, mr. speaker. does donald trump have mandate? >> well, i think, first of all, he won, and he won pretty decisively in the electoral college. and i think the deeper thing is republicans won the house, they won the senate, they won the governorship. most republican governors in history, most republican state legislators in history. so if you look at the country, there is certainly a shift toward republican government on a pretty big scale. >> dickerson: is it a challenge for him that he didn't win the popular vote? >> to some extent, but in 49 states he had a majority and then there's california. we don't compete in california. the current rules of the game, we're not going to carry california. it's a sad cycle. they don't invest because
they're not going to carry, so it gets worse every year. if this had been a general election, would the total vote matter? we would have competed in california. >> dickerson: are you still a fan of getting rid of the electoral college? you used to be. >> in the long run you want the whole country to be represented. the point is if we had total vote mattering, we would have come peteed in california. we would have probably picked up at least two million votes just by competing. >> dickerson: let's talk about the pace of change. should donald trump swing for the fences or go for singles? >> swing for the fences. i've done this twice in my career. i did it with reagan in '81. i did it as speaker in '95. this is a city that if you don't shove it as hard as you can when you have momentum, it will surround you. the swamp doesn't want to be drained, and the swamp will just suck you in if you let it. he needs to have a very, very aggressive first year. >> dickerson: when i covered your presidential race and run in 2012, you were... you made a
case for incrementalism. in two cases you said, you know, when the country is as bitterly divided, and you put your name on a program and think any democrat is going to vote for it, you have to go... your argument is you have to go out and sell it. so explain how you swing for the fences, shove this country, but aren't moving too fast. >> two things. first of all, all the review, a terrific book called "the education of ronald reagan." it shows you what he learned about moving the country. so you have to move... trump has to be the salesman. second, take something big like infrastructure, he can work with chuck schumer on infrastructure. he can find a bipartisan path that allows us to dramatically improve infrastructure, something trump knows an immense amount about. and you could have a very big bipartisan bill on infrastructure. i suspect on tax reform there's a chance to put together a tax reform package which also, as speaker paul ryan pointed out today, also means you can handle
a lot of the terrific differentials inside the tax code in a way that could be very advantageous to american business. >> dickerson: back in '12, you also said we got mad at obama but he ran over us when we said don't do it, well, republicans ought to follow that same ground rule. does that still apply? >> i think it's very important that trump try to have as many democrats as possible help him do this, because one of the lessons of the obama years is if you do things that are big on the purely partisan basis, they're not stable. i think trump wants to change america to make it great again for a generation, not just for eight years. >> dickerson: what has he done since being elected president that made you think, gee, that's different? >> well, i mean, first of all, his speech on... his victory speech was very conciliatory, very much in the right direction. i think his visit to the white house was very respectful on both sides, and i think encouraging in that sense. and i think his meeting with
paul ryan and with mitch mcconnell and the fact that he's integrating mike pence so thoroughly, which also happened with chaney. chaney led the transition. pence will lead the transition. i think all those things show you steps toward stability and maturity that are very, very encouraging. >> dickerson: paul ryan said today on cnn there's not going to be a deportation force. mr. trump has said that he's going to incorporate some ideas of obamacare, which he talked about on the stump, too. now that he's president, are a lot of the things that seem to be bright rhines on the campaign, are they much more negotiable? >> if you listen to the brief section on "60 minutes," there are going to be substantial deportations. they're called criminals. two million people would be a lot of people to deport. and if it's the same thing, we'll regain control of the border, and if you pass as gustworker program, you would be a long way to dealing with the rest of the folks who are here
without legal permission. and i think that by stage we would accommodate it in some way. i think in terms of obamacare, it's going to be repealed. but there are certain aspects of it that are widely supported, and you don't want to capriciously take away the right of somebody to be on their parents' insurance until 26. you want to protect the right to have insurance coverage without any kind of precondition, but that means is you're not going to have mandate, which we're not. it hasn't been effective. they can't punish young people with taxes for not buying insurance. then you better have a high-risk rule which paul ryan has suggested where some device, so if you have a precondition but you're in the insured, you're still going to get health care. >> dickerson: let me ask you about a sense of conflict in this country. there were 60 million people who didn't vote for mr. trump. help explain to somebody who didn't vote for him and to other people going around saying, not my president. in part donald trump rose to prominence by challenging the idea that barack obama was a
legitimate president, that he wasn't born in america, that there was no evidence to that. five years saying he was illegitimate. why should anybody who doesn't like donald trump think he is legitimate now? >> it's a question or whether or not you want a successful venture. frankly, if you're hard left, it's very hard to imagine why you're going to accommodate a trump presidency, because the two goals... remember, george w. bush was a attacked by day one from the hard left. obama was attacked from day one by conservatives. we've now been through 16 years of siege warfare. interestingly, while we got involved in a fight with clinton, no one ever attacked the legitimacy of the clinton presidency or bush one or reagan or carter for that matter. >> dickerson: part of what this stems from is the campaign that trump ran. it's been written about this campaign, "his victory in the primary gave unprecedented
visibility to the alt right, anti-semites and self-proclaimed fascists. supporting a president trump cannot mean giving a path to the ugly fringe that has risen with him. what does donald trump have to do to address that?" >> i have to say, that's garbage. i don't care what it says. this whole notion... the "washington post" had this column that pointed out that we're on the anniversary of kristallnacht, the night when nazis attacked jewish businesses. this is crazy. donald trump is a mainstream conservative who wants to profoundly take on the left. the left is infuriated that anybody would challenge the legitimacy of their moral superiority. and so the left is hysterical. but the fact is... you get this with steve bannon. he's a naval officer, a hollywood movie producer, a manager at goldman sachs. the idea that somehow he
represents... i never heard about the alt right until this nut case started writing about it. >> dickerson: so your point is it's garbage so donald trump doesn't have to deal with it? >> donald trump is donald trump. the country will organize itself around him. >> dickerson: does donald trump keep a twitter account? >> look, if the technique for reaching 13 and 14 million people at no cost and gets him around "the new york times." >> dickerson: what do you want to do? >> i want to help plan the restructuring of the federal government. >> dickerson: that sounds like a doe metzic role. >> well, it's restructuring the federal government. >> dickerson: one question people had about donald trump, whether anyone can tell him no. can anyone tell donald trump no? >> maybe ivanka and melania. i don't know. look, this is a very strong-wild guy who has risen in remarkable ways. he's worth $4 to $10 billion. he beat 15 other people for the
nomination. he beat secretary clinton for the presidency. he took on virtually the entire national media and beat them. he has a great deal of faith in his own instincts. he's more right than we were most days. >> dickerson: speaker gingrich, thank you so much for being here. while republicans are enjoying their victories in the house, senate and of course the white house, donald trump's opponents are scared, angry and vowing to never let the country forget what he said and did on the campaign trail. >> we reject the president-elect! >> dickerson: tens of thousands took to the streets saturday as protests continued for a fifth day across the country. and "saturday night live" took a break from the comedy to mourn the outcome. ♪ and even though it all went wrong. ♪ i'll stand before the lord in song. ♪ with nothing on my tongue but hallelujah. ♪ hallelujah.
hallelujah ♪ hallelujah >> dickerson: but democrats are also in for some soul-searching, looking to recapture lost ground. as it happens, there's a new book coming out this week, offering a road map for the party. "our revolution: a future to believe in." its author joins us now, a familiar fixture from campaign 2016, vermont senator bernie sanders. welcome, senator sanders. >> good to be with you >> one of the protest anthems going on about donald trump is "not my president." is he your president? >> he won the election. i did everything i could to see he not become elected, but he won. our job now is to hold him accountable, you know. mr. trump claimed that he was the champion of the working class of this country, and as you know, mr. are millions people who are working longer hours for lower wages. they don't have health care. they can't afford to send their kids to college. they can't afford childcare. if mr. trump, in fact, has the courage to take on wall street, to take on the drug companies,
to try to work forward, go forward to create a better life for working people, we will work with him issue by issue. but if his presidency is going to be about discrimination. if it's going to be about scapegoating immigrants or scapegoating african-americans or muslims, we will oppose him vigorously. >> dickerson: a lot of democrats are bereft at this outcome. and it's in the just the loss. it's that there are people who are shaken by this. what is your message to the democrats? >> our message is that we have to do a lot of rethinking and ask ourselves, how does it happen that we have a president, a u.s. senate, a house, and most governorships around this country are controlled by people who want to give yowj r huge tax breaks to billionaires, many instances they want to cut social security and medicare and medicaid, who do not even
believe in the concept, the understanding of climate change, which is virtually unanimously agreed to by the scientific community. how does it happen that they win election and democrats lose? and i think what the conclusion is is that democrats are focused too much with a liberal elite, which is raising incredible sums of money for wealthy people in the upper middle class but has ignored to a very significant degree the working-class and the middle class and low-income people in this country. look, the truth is, in my view, this country is moving toward an of garrick form of society where a handful of billionaires and large corporations control the economy. as a result of citizens united, they now control our political system, where the koch brothers and billionaires can buy elections. they have undue influence over the media, as well. and what the democratic party has got to say to working people,, you know what, we are going the take on wall street. with we're not going the take their money. we're going to lower the cost of
prescription drugs. we're going to raise the minimum wage. we're not going to be oonly major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people. you have to make a decision which side you're on. democrats have to stand with the working families of this country. >> dickerson: how do you read the election result? was it a failure of health care or a victory of donald trump? >> it was both. i think speaker gingrich is right. i think trump has very, very good political instincts. what he understood, which many democrats did not, is that if you want an average american out there making $30,000 $40,000 $50,000, you're working longer hours for low wages while almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. you're not happy. you're seeing your jobs go the china. your kids can't afford college. you can't buy the medicine you need. you're worried to death about the future generation. trump tapped that anger. now, what our job is to do is to see what is his solution.
all right. he talked about the problems. you think throwing 20 million people off of health care is a solution to the health care crisis? is giving hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top two-tenths of 1% going to be the solution to income and wealth inequality? i don't think so. our job is to say, mr. trump, you talked about being the champion of the working families. now produce. your rhetoric was great. now do something. we will not accept racism. we will not accept sexism or xenophobia. >> dickerson: do you think his campaign was built on that? gingrich said that idea was garbage. >> i'm afraid mr. gingrich is wrong. i'm not saying that's all it was built on, but when you begin your campaign by talking about throwing 11 million people who are undocumented out of this country or building a wall with mexico or presenting muslims, one of the largest religions in this country, in the world, i should say, coming into this country, of course to a large
degree it was. >> dickerson: should democrats pay attention to the way you ran your campaign or the way hillary clinton ran hers? >> it's not just hillary clinton's campaign. it's time to rethink whether or not the democratic party can simply spend so much time and energy raising money from wealthy people and putting ads on television. what we need to do is create a grassroots movement of millions of people who want to transform this country and make it the kind of country we know that we can have. john, there is no rational reason why we pay the highest price in the world for drugs. no rational reason why we are the only major nation on earth that doesn't have paid family and medical leave. why are our kids going to see a lower standard of living than their parents? we can transform this country. we're a wealthy country. we can do it. but we have to have the courage to stand up to the billionaire class and corporate america. >> dickerson: senator sanders, we'll take a quick break.
>> dickerson: and we're back with more from senator bernie sanders, not only a former presidential candidate but the author of "our revolution." senator, is this the owner's manual for the new democratic revolution? >> i think it is, john. what i tried to do, half of the book is talking about the campaign, why i ran for office, what we did well, what we didn't do well. the kind of excitement that we generated all over this country. but the other half of the book basically asks the question and tries to give the answer: how do we go forward? i am tired of watching television where you have a campaign which is about mr. trump's attitude toward women versus health care's e-mails. you know what, those are not the major issues facing america. the middle class of this country for 40 years has been in decline. massive levels of income and wealth inequality.
why? what can we do about it? why do we not guarantee health care to all people? how do we create a health care system that's cost effective and universal? what about a broken criminal justice system. why do we have more people in jail than any other country? how do we invest in our young people so we don't end up in jail? what about immigration reform? we have got to have information, and the media has got to do it as well, john. a serious discussion about the serious issues facing us. by the way, what astounds me, and i hope this changes really quickly, is you now have a president-elect who actually does not believe that climate change is real. i worry very much what this means for our kids and our grandchildren and the future of this planet. and millions of people are going to have to tell him mr. trump, you are dead wrong, and we're going to have to transform our energy. >> dickerson: are you talking about marches on washington? what's the action item for a nervous democrat out there? >> to understand that on virtually every major issue,
raising the minimum wage, climate change, pay equity for women, rebuilding our infrastructure, making public colleges and universities tuition-free, we are the majority. that is what the american people want. and the democrats will win elections by pounding away on those issues and talking about not giving tax breaks to billionaires, undoing citizens united, a disastrous supreme court decision. we are the majority, and by the way, let's not forget hillary clinton did win more votes than mr. trump, so pound away on the issues that bring people together, fight vigorously against all forms of this. >> dickerson: who is the leader of the democratic party right now? >> well, in the house it's nancy pelosi. in the senate it is chuck schumer. >> dickerson: and you're okay with that? you think people should look to them for guidance? >> i'm not into leaders. i am into building a movement which transforms this country and brings people together around an agenda that works for
the middle class and working families. >> dickerson: don't follow leaders. the next question, donald trump has talked about infrastructure, spending a lot of money getting people working again. sounds like something you can sign on to. >> if it is sensible, absolutely. our infrastructure, roads, bridge, rail, collapsing. we could put millions of people to working. >> dickerson: when you say sensible. it sounds like he's willing to spend a lot of money. >> in general rebuilding our infrastructure is absolutely imperative for this country. >> drew: is there another area where you can find common ground? >> i am very proud, i have been a leader in opposition to disastrous trade agreements from first day i was in the congress. from the best of my knowledge, the ppp is now dead. i fought it. hillary clinton fought it. mr. trump is opposed to it. there is an area. creating a trade policy so corporate america in this country, not in china. we can work together on that. >> dickerson: senator sanders, we look forward to having you back. thanks so much for being here with us.
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>> dickerson: some of our cbs stations are leaving us now, but for most of you, we'll be right back with a lot more of the results of the 2016 presidential election and what's next. that's next on "face the nation." stay with us. >> now that donald trump is the president-elect, he's going to do one big interview. where? >> "60 minutes." >> where else? "60 minutes" tonight. ,,,,,,,,,,
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