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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. we're back with our politics panel, peggy noonan of the "wall street journal," michael gerson from the "washington post," jeffrey goldberg of "the atlantic" and "slate's" jamelle bouie. peggy, i want to start with you. tough election. the country is split. there are more people voting for health hillary clinton than donald trump, but he's the president. what does donald trump do to address that situation? >> oh, it's probably always good to start out with a valujet banal yet truthful insight like a kind word, ratchet it down, be cool, be humble, be calm. i think a lot of people willing looking at the staff members and appointees he makes over the next few weeks and trying to discern whether we see
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accomplished people who look like they can do this and are seen inherently moderate, or is it going to be a little more unusual than that? one of the things i think that we'll see over the next six months is that it's a mistake to discount the amount of pent-up energy there is in capitol hill on the republican side. they've got a house. they've got a senate. they haven't been able to do very much the past eight years. they haven't been able to move too many balls forward. i think there will be a lot of reason for a lot of people on the hill to want to work happily and closely with donald trump. and do big things such as newt gingrich was talking about, infrastructure, as everybody is. well, heck, do a big pow on that. take a serious look at taxes. do something big. >> dickerson: michael, is doing something big going to solve aftermath of this? you not only have democrats who
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are unhappy, but there are a number of republicans against donald trump who are nower in vs. and unsure. >> there is a split here. some of the trump coalition hates the republican establishment, and some of the coalition is the republican establishment. that's the way you have to run a government. so it's all sweetness and light until you start to pick personnel and start to make priority decisions on governing. some of that might be controversial things on executive orders, for example, with the dreamers. we'll have a supreme court fight almost immediately. so, yeah, i think it's fine now. republicans are unified by victory and the prospect of 6,000 jobs, which is what the president fills. but i think we're going to see the fissures very soon in the source of the chief of staff. that will send the signal. are they for conciliation, or are they, you know, with their base? >> dickerson: jamelle, on the one hand you have the president and hillary clinton and even
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bernie sanders saying, we'll try and work with the new president, and on the other hand you have people marching in the street. where does that go from here? >> i think this gets to the question of what president trump can do to unify the country in the wake of this election. i think people marching in l.a., on college campuses around the country, aren't marching simply because trump was a print president. they're marching because the trump campaign was very much based on demagogic rhetoric against immigrants, muslim, black protest, against america's non-white community. in the wake of trump's elections, there have been reports of intimidation, harassment and violence against those very groups some if trump is serious about unifying the country, if this is a thing he wants to do, i think he needs to immediately speak against these acts of intimidation, harassment and violence that are happening to some degree in the name of the campaign he ran. >> dickerson: jeffrey, what's your take on that? newt gingrich said those charges are garbage. they're baloney. on the other hand, there is this
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feeling in the country, donald trump is now the president of the entire country. and if he were to speak to that, as jenelle suggests, what would that even look like? >> to unify what peggy is saying and what jamell is saying, i think, if there is a moment for him to speak to the country broadly, as president-elect, not as former reality tv star, it might be on this very question. he might do something large-hearted and articulate in a very specific way,ing i don't stand with the alt right. i don't stand with racism. i reject the support of anybody affiliated with the k.k.k. because i believe i want to be the president of all americans. that would be the key signal to send that would actually calm the legitimate fears of a lot of people in america, citizens and people who are not yet citizens and certainly undocumented people that this is fundamentally different kind of presidency than anything we've seen before. that would be. >> that would be really, really good. >> and republicans have been waiting for that pivot for a year and a half.
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it's very hard to escape the practice or habits of a lifetime. and he's not been able to do so thus far. >> the great thing is that he's shocked now that he's president of the united states. that hour and a half he spent with president obama was a fairly shocking hour and a half for him for sure. and the pivot will come that he realize, i'm in the a reality tv star anymore. i have this job. >> two of the people in contention for chief of staff are steven bannon and reince priebus, the chairman of the r.n.c. i think if trump chooses steven bannon, who is known for his associations with the web site breitbart, which is a clearinghouse for these alt right group, that will give us a sign of the kind of president donald trump intends to be, in the sense he's not aiming for any kind of unity with america's non-white population. >> knock down the alt right, show compassion and leadership
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toward those who are understandably nervous or even paranoid, but also deal with the fact that some people on the other side of trump, some democrats, some liberals, progressive, some have become quite unhinged. i was in the middle of an anti-trump demonstration in manhattan yesterday, and it managed somehow to be smilingly enraged. they were having a good time, but they were enraged at the outcome of this election. sometimes people have to be reminded, this is what democracy is. there are outcomes sometimes that you don't like. and you can't simply assume the worst,, at a certain point you have to say, america you made a decision. we'll watch now and soon we will be judging. >> but it's hard when the worst people in the country are cheering, the people with the confederate flag, the people that do anti-semitism on twitter, that's difficult for a lot of people in this country. but, you know, i do think an inaugural, for example, is
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almost always an act of national healing. look at previous inaugurals back to thomas jefferson, healing divides, that's a moment where your goal is to bring together the country in a substantive way the say we're united by values and we're stronger than the things that divide us. that could be a moment. >> he may have to move sooner than that, though. that's january. >> i think part of the problem here is that trump's campaign wasn't a typical lower case d campaign in dock similar it was a liberal democracy campaign, a campaign that set out sort of explicitly that some people in this country aren't quite worth as much as other people in this country, and that's the core of the fear. that is the core of the paranoia if you want to call it that. that is what people are worried about. that needs to be resolved. >> 60 million people roughly who voted for donald trump, so many of them, they are just good, honest, decent, paint -- patriotic, wanting the best.
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they had an insight into our system that it was broken and it needed something dramatic. they just backed something dramatic, and they hope it will work, but i understand the negativity that we have all seen,>but there is profound decency, too. but it's not marching in the streets. forgive me. >> dickerson: i wouldn't deny what you just said about most of the people that voted for trump. i would say to vote for trump was to overlook the fact that we're talking about someone with a record of misogany and racist invective, and so that is what is troubling to a lot of people. that's what makes this election, among other things, very different than others. those good, decent people at least overlooked a very, very sorry record of prejudice. >> dickerson: let's switch to the democratic party and its challenges in the last couple minutes. what has the democratic party learned from this election. >> i think on a, thety cal level what the democratic party has learned is that it needs to win over some chunk or a greater chunk of working-class whites. that's ultimately where this
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turned. had health care won 50,000 more votes between pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin, she would be president of the united states. the question is how you go about that. i think the choice, the likely choice of keith ellison as head of the dnc, keith ellison, congressman of minnesota, african american, muslim american, but also a democratic labour party, a strong populist, is giving you a sense of where the party may go in this direction. a commitment to its multiculturalism, a commitment to social inclusion, also a greater commitment to an economic populace that might be able to reach voters. >> drew: michael, what's your take? do they become the party of opposition? i remember mitch mcconnell saying that keeping barack obama to be a one-term president was his goal. is that the better organizing principal, or have the democrats really lost the team and need to sell something positive? >> well, they don't have a lot of will evers. they do wait for mistakes and wait for overreach, which often happens in new administrations. so i think they need to do this. but they do have a choice. they have a sanders' model, a
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left-wing economic populism. they have a biden model. much more outreach the white catholics and union workers and more traditional democratic constituency, or they have someone who can implement the obama model, the obama coalition, which health care tried and could not get out the votes to do. but the other candidate might be able to. this is the coalition. they are not yesterday ascended. they will eventually be ascended. i diamondback think that model is a discredited model. >> i think one year ago and 18 amongst ago the subject at this table was the breakdown of the republican party, it is shattering, it is breaking in, two it's lost everything. >> also last week it was the discussion at this table. >> fair enough. now it has turned and we're talking about the breakup of the democratic party, there's no deep bench, they can't win here. they can't do this. they've lost here. the obama coalition didn't turn out. why working class doesn't like them. this is an amazing flip on expectations.
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>> drew: the sanders campaign was evident to all of that. >> but they didn't go down that road. >> dickerson: unfortunately we have to go at this point, but we have a lot to talk about in future weeks. we look forward to having all of you here for that. we have to go for the moment. we'll be right back in a moment. f eyes on our wells every day. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. because safety is never being satisfied. oh no, that looks gross whoa, twhat is that? try it. you gotta try it, it's terrible. i don't wanna try it if it's terrible. it's like mango chutney and burnt hair. no thank you, i have a very sensitive palate. just try it! guys, i think we should hurry up. if you taste something bad, you want someone else to try it. it's what you do. i can't get the taste out of my mouth! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. shhh! dog, dog, dog.
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bp engineers use underwater robots, so they can keep watch over operations below the sea, even from thousands of feet above. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. >> dickerson: we're back now with the cbs news 2016 campaign embed, the wonderful journalists who covered every moment of this campaign. sopan deb covered donald trump. hannah fraser-chanpong was with
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the clinton campaign. erica brown followed senator tim kaine. chris christie and john kasich. jacqueline alemany was based in new hampshire and ohio. kylie atwood was based in iowa during the primaries and also covered senator bernie sanders. sean gallitz was embedded with senator marco rubio and then covered the battleground state of north carolina. and alan covered governor mike pence and jeb bush. err cash let me start with you, but i'll ask all of you this question: if there is a story from the road, stl a moment for you that sticks out? >> there was a moment, and it was a personal moment. it was in new hampshire before the primary. there was a really bad snowstorm. the snow was accumulating so quickly, and i was driving. i got very nervous. as i was turning the corner and it seemed in slow motion, my car started to veer into a ditch. it got stuck. and there were five gentlemen riding in a tow truck who drove past me. they stopped, came back. they started digging out my car. and i immediately got out and i said, wait, i need to know how
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much this is going to cost me first before you continue because i don't know if i can afford this. and they said, you know, the cost is for you to do something nice for someone else. >> the thing that sticks out to me is the last day of the campaign, 8:00 at night, we just landed in manchester, new hampshire, mike pence gets on the p.a. system on the airplane, and he thanks the staff, he thanks the secret service, he thanks the airplane crew, and then he goes ahead and thanks the reporters for telling the story of the vice presidential campaign. and then 20 minutes later we're in this rally with donald trump and mike pence, and donald trump comes on stage and calls us the most dishonest people. it could not be a more jarring experience. >> dickerson: what did you learn about this country, about who the voters are? >> i think most of the people i met covering hillary clinton at her events were true believers, but there were moments on the campaign trail where she met voters who, you know, weren't
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going to support her or who were not sure if they wanted to. when we went to west virginia, she had a very memorable exchange with a man who worked in a coal mine, and he had lost his job. i remember when he pulled up to that event there were a lot of trump supporters outside who were protesting. it was raining. they were still out there. they were waiting for her and they were angry. inside this plan told her, i represent those people outside. and i'm not sure how you can come here and tell us that you're going to be our friend. and it was a really telling moment that i think held up in the end. >> dickerson: but you were in some pretty rough seas from time to time covering donald trump. >> what always struck me about trump rallies is they weren't rallies as much as they were concerts. he'd come on stage. you'd be in these am pi theaters, and it doesn't matter what venue, he'd always start out by saying, "wow. look at this crowd. it's record sending." it doesn't matter whether we were in a coffee shop with a
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thousand people outside waiting to step in. there almost was a... the people, i felt like trump supporters really wanted change, but a change back, not a change forward, which is kind of the make america great again, right? so i always felt there was a fear of the change that was happening in the country already, and they wanted to change it back. >> i think for me as i talked to people at the the different events, it was clear that americans take politics very personally. i guess that was something that was new as a reporter who had covered politics more washington centric politics, if you will. but talking to people was my favorite part of this job, because they have stories they want to tell you. >> i think we all know it's been a divisive election. i had a week where i covered a bernie sanders event on wednesday, ted cruz on thursday, bill clinton on friday.
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back to back. what i'll never forget, especially coming from a sanders campaign rally and a ted cruz rally, they weren't talking to the same country i felt like. there was no commonality in their messaging or what they were talking about. they were painting very different pictures, and i think we're seeing some of the aftereffects of that in some ways. >> drew: alan, you were with governor pence when the video comes out about donald trump on the bus with billy bush and those remarks. what was it like in those moments of... what happens to a campaign in that moment and how did the candidates respond? >> the reporters covering the campaign, it felt like the campaign was in a death grip. that day we went up to the rope line, and we asked mike pence, what's your reaction? what's your reaction? and he didn't respond. and then he just walked away. >> dickerson: hannah, was what was it like when the comey letter came out? >> we were on the campaign plane
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flying to cedar rapids the day that james comey letter came out saying he was looking at something new. we had in wifi on the plane. suddenly a reporter who somehow got a tweet or something came up on his phone, he's like, um, you know, have you seen this? and all the campaign disappeared into their cabin and consulted about it. when we landed, it was sort of unclear whether or not the candidate knew that this was happening. but the day sort of carried on like it was a completely normal day. we went to the event. hillary clinton did the event. she didn't mention it at all. by the end of the day they responded pretty forcefully to comey and she had a little press conference and that was followed by press calls and press releases and all this, but it was really weird day. >> what was amazing to me amongst trump supporters is there were never any low moments despite the media narrative. >> that's right.
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>> i went to a watch party in parma hosted by a group of trump supporters after the lewd tape had come up, the "access hollywood" tape. people were cheering and hooting and hollering and walked away, donald trump blew us away, he won hands down, that's it. a completely different narrative. i don't think trump supporters lost faith once. >> no. and the most shocking moment for me on the campaign trail was before a debate, i was along with small... the pool of reporters, we're going to get a five-minute photo onwith -- photo op can trump. my jaw just drops. >> there's a picture of it. i've seen that picture. >> it's trump with clinton accusers of alleged sexual
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misconduct. and you see... i'm on the live stream. donald trump is live streaming the reaction of the reporters as they're walking inch you can see me and you can see me walk in and go... it was truly one of the most shocking moments of the campaign or probably that i've ever seen. >> dickerson: we'll talk more about campaign 2016 with our panel after the break.
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>> dickerson: we're back with our campaign reporters talking about surprising moments on the campaign trail. >> i think the moment i got to play ski ball with ben carson was surprising. >> dickerson: and how is he as a ski ballplayer? >> i beat him by 3,000 points. >> dickerson: is that a lot or a little in ski ball? >> that's in between. because dr. carson wasn't the most accessible in terms of getting beneath the surface. he would hold meetings often, but we never knew what it would be like him around him. off of the campaign trail to get a sense of what he was like at a person. >> when i first started this job, i pictured similar reactions of candidates. i never got to know donald trump. i covered him since pretty much
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the beginning of his candidacy. a lot of his sure gaza city talk about there's this donald trump, a private donald trump, this charming, disarming guy that is not the combative person. i only saw the combative person. he never gave us any access. he never talked to us. he never... i would be surprised if he knew the names of anybody in iis traveling press. >> dickerson: why would anybody want to be an imbed? >> that gross you tremendously as a journalist. you get to interact with so many voters and learn about what makes this country unique, what makes people want to come here and what some of the concerns are with people who lived here and who have families here and who want to be constructive members of society. >> on top of that, being away from friends and family for a year and a half, you also learn a lot about yourself. >> the hardest thing i've ever done physically, emotionally, psychologically. this job tests you in ways you didn't think were possible.
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and you learn a lot about yourself and what you're actually capable of, whether you think you can stay awake for 36 straight hours and, you know, travel the way we did and everything else, but there's also the hotel points. >> and airline miles. >> that's not a bad perk. >> dickerson: the marriott. >> i mean, they've all said it. i think it's... you are on the front lines of history in the most beautiful way. i mean, you see it, you eút it, you live it, you breathe it. i never thought they would have such an understanding of like the fabric of america. >> drew: well, as someone who read all of your work and profited from it and also somebody who once did what you do, i couldn't have done it half
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as well as you all did, and we are incredibly grateful for your energy, for what you taught us and for the fact that you reminded us that there is joy in covering these races and this incredible american specious that is an election. there was not a lot of joy at times during this campaign, so thanks for bringing some of it back into our lives. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> dickerson: and we'll be right back.
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>> dickerson: we want to say congratulations and thank you today to veteran cbs news correspondent bill plante. bill's career has taken him all over the world, to unprecedented heights and into the most powerful rooms in washington. as a young reporter he covered the civil rights movement, interviewing martin luther king during the historic march from selma to montgomery. and he covered every president from ronald reagan to barack obama. >> bill plante?
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no. bill's not here? that's shocking. >> dickerson: bill, it's hard for us to imagine cbs news without you. no one does it better, and you'll be missed. until next week for "face the nation," i'm john dickerson. >> the election has levitt the nation divided. so what's the president-elect going to do about it? find out in donald trump's only big interview. "60 minutes" tonight. [baby talk]
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