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>> at just 32, mohamed bin salman seems fearless and determined. he has quickly become the most dominant arab leader in a generation. hello. and in his first american television interview, m.b.s., the heir to the saudi throne, walked us through his revolution, changing everything in his country, including new rights for women, like driving. >> driving is just a quick win. it's not everything. it's just a representative that we're going in the right direction. >> can anything stop you? >> ( translated ): only death. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm scott pelley. >> i'm sharyn alfonsi. >> i'm norah o'donnell. >> i'm bill whitaker. those stories, tonight, on "60 minutes." ♪ seresto, seresto, seresto
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>> alfonsi: by now, the story is familiar, but no less heartbreaking. on valentine's day, a former student walked in to marjory stoneman douglas high in parkland, florida, pulled an ar-15 out of his duffel bag and began shooting. students hid in closets, and played dead. when it was over, 17 people were killed; 14 of them, students. in the hours that followed, there were vigils, and a string of lawmakers offered their "thoughts and prayers." then, something different happened. the students of stoneman douglas gathered in living rooms and in front of cameras, declaring, "never again." in less than a month, the teens did what few thought possible.
they changed gun laws in florida and ignited a national movement. we wondered how a generation with a notoriously short attention span plans to hold the nation's attention. you'll hear from them later. but, we begin with another classmate, who hasn't been seen or heard from since the shooting. this is anthony borges. he is 15 years old, and should be at soccer practice, but when we met him on tuesday, he was struggling to breathe. he'd just come off a ventilator the day before. anthony's father roger told us his son has had eight surgeries already. another is being scheduled. he was shot five times just outside his classroom at stoneman douglas high. he was face to face with the shooter? >> roger borges: yeah. he got shot in the leg, and he tried to shut the door. >> alfonsi: he tried to shut the door?
>> borges: yeah, in that moment, he received another in the back. >> alfonsi: the borges family is from venezuela. roger wanted the world to see what happened to his son. >> alfonsi: he called you, right? >> borges: yeah, he called me right at the moment he laid down on the floor, and he told me, "dad, i got shot." i said, just keep talking to me, okay? don't go-- don't leave me. keep talking to me. >> alfonsi: and where was he shot? >> borges: right here. right here. >> alfonsi: one shattered his thigh bone. another damaged his lung and liver. >> borges: that's a miracle for me. >> alfonsi: this is a miracle that he's still alive? >> borges: yeah. >> alfonsi: he's not number 18. >> borges: no. no. >> alfonsi: roger, a handyman, is now praying for another miracle: help paying his son's medical bills. stories like anthony's unfold
quietly in hospitals after every mass shooting, but what happened in parkland is different. instead of retreating into their gated neighborhoods and asking for privacy, or saying it was "too soon" to talk about guns, parkland decided it was exactly the right moment to talk about guns. >> unless we act now. >> alfonsi: it was the students who stepped forward first and said "never again." you've probably heard a lot from them over the last month, but we were surprised about what they had to say about the fate of the gunman. the florida prosecutor announced today that he's going to seek the death penalty against nikolas cruz, and i just want to get your thoughts on that. emma? >> emma gonzalez: good. >> alfonsi: good, why? >> emma gonzalez: good that he's seeking the death penalty for nick cruz. >> cameron kasky: i don't want to think about nick cruz. i think the more we think about
him, the more he wins. that being said, in a way, i disagree with emma. let him rot forever. >> alfonsi: let him rot in jail. >> david hogg: i want to see him rot forever as cameron just said, but when we pursue the death penalty, this will be kept in the media for much longer. >> jaclyn corin: i just don't want him to get what he wants. i want him to suffer, no matter what. >> alex wind: the death of one person, as terrible of a person as he is, cannot outweigh the death of the 17. >> alfonsi: alex wind, a self- described theater geek; jaclyn corin, the junior class president; student reporter david hogg; and senior emma gonzalez started what they call the never-again movement in cameron kasky's living room. in the hours after the attack, filled with grief but fueled with anger and armed with their phones, the teenagers got to work. first, they set off a firestorm of tweets, many aimed at lawmakers.
they said yes to almost every interview request, and used social media to organize a student-led protest at the state capitol. >> this is about hope. this is about moving forward. >> alfonsi: in three weeks, they'd convinced florida's republican governor rick scott to defy the national rifle association, something that hasn't happened in florida in 20 years. the new florida law raises the age to buy a rifle to 21. it introduces a three-day waiting period on gun sales, and it makes more money available for mental health services. give us a grade on what's been accomplished. >> kasky: c. >> hogg: i was going to say c-minus. >> corin: we can't praise them for doing what they've done, because that wouldn't have stopped what happened at our school. >> kasky: that being said, the florida bill is much more impressive than that embarrassing "stop school violence act" that they're pushing in d.c., which is just a bunch of hot air, fluff. usthe word "gun" once, when all these tragedies, again,
the one thing that has linked them together is the gun. >> alfonsi: on saturday, they're hoping a half million people will join them to march in washington. they want congress to ban military style rifles, like this, along with the kind of high-capacity magazines that were used in las vegas and at sandy hook. i know, i can't help but think, sandy hook happened. those parents made it their life's mission to try to get some real change. what makes you think that you guys could do more? that this could be different? >> wind: the thing about it is that we are the generation that's had to be trapped in closets, waiting for police to come, or waiting for a shooter to walk into our door. we are the people who know what it's like first-hand. >> kasky: we're the mass shooting generation. >> alfonsi: "we're the mass
shooting generation." >> kasky: i was born months after columbine. i'm 17 years old, and we've had 17 years of mass shootings. >> alfonsi: raise your hands if there are guns in your house. >> kasky: i feel safe because my father has a gun in the house that he can use to protect our family. my family lives on the principle that there are some guns that are made to protect your family from anyone who might come in and try to hurt them, and there are some guns that are made for war. >> emma gonzalez: we need to pay attention to the fact that this isn't just a mental health issue. he wouldn't have hurt that many students with a knife! >> alfonsi: three days after the shooting, emma gonzalez accepted an invitation to speak at a rally. the five-foot-two 18-year-old had to stand on boxes to be heard. her speech was seen millions of times and ignited the passion of students around the country.
>> that we're too young to understand how the government works-- >> alfonsi: she now has more than a million twitter followers-- ten times more than florida's governor. so, why was it you? why do you think you broke through? >> emma gonzalez: it might've been my hair. >> alfonsi: oh, come on. >> emma gonzalez: very honestly, it just might have been my hair. >> alfonsi: i don't think it was the hair. >> emma gonzalez: i think it was a little bit the hair. like, you know, just iconically. you think of the picture and you think of a bald girl. >> alfonsi: what do you think about this issue of arming teachers? >> emma gonzalez: it's stupid. >> alfonsi: why? >> emma gonzalez: first of all, they have-- douglas ran out of paper for, like, two weeks in the school year, and now all the sudden they have $400 million to pay for teachers to get trained to arm themselves? really? really? if you're a teacher and you have a gun, do you keep it in a lockbox or do you carry it on your person? if the teacher dies and a student, who's a good student, is able to get the gun, are they now held responsible to shoot
the student who's come into the door? i'm not happy with that. >> alfonsi: emma's mother beth watched as her daughter became one of the most recognizable faces in one of the most polarizing debates in the country. >> beth gonzalez: i'm terrified. it's like she built herself a pair of wings out of balsa wood and duct tape and jumped off a building. and we're just, like, running along beneath her with a net, which she doesn't want or think that she needs, you know? >> alfonsi: what is happening to her life? >> beth gonzalez: it's insane. somebody said, "please tell emma we're behind her," which i appreciate. but we should have been in front of her. i should've been in front of her. we're all adults, we should have dealt with this 20 years ago. >> alfonsi: it's a lot to ask of these kids. >> beth gonzalez: well they're asking it of themselves. some are like, you go, girl. but i'm like, what are we doing? >> alfonsi: the douglas students
inspired a walkout at nearly 3,000 schools for 17 minutes this past wednesday-- one minute for every life lost in parkland. they allowed us into their newly donated headquarters. we agreed not to reveal the location. >> alfonsi: why are we being secretive? >> emma gonzalez: people have sent us a lot of death threats. and i, for one, am paranoid about a bomb being thrown in the window. >> hogg: the fact that i'm getting death threats, emma's getting death threats, cameron's getting death threats, it shows the polarized state that america's in. >> manuel oliver: the victims are being represented by people that could've been the victim, all right? >> when i feel down i just come here and i feel him. >> alfonsi: manuel and patricia oliver's son was murdered in the shooting. joaquin was 17 years old and considered one of the most well- liked kids in school. oliver still coaches joaquin's
basketball team. he knows these kids. >> alfonsi: what is it that these kids can do, that adults haven't been able to do in the past? >> oliver: these kids have their cellphones on their hands all day. and-- and we as parents, we criticize that a lot because we ignore the power of that. the difference between this tragedy and others, if you ask me, is that this generation is used to get answers right away. you think they're going to wait for six months or a year for anybody in congress or anybody that needs to make the right call? >> alfonsi: they're hardwired to do things quickly. >> oliver: absolutely. right away. >> alfonsi: the students have already received more than $3 million in donations, most of it from hollywood. >> alfonsi: you guys have gotten checks from big names. george clooney. oprah winfrey. michael bloomberg's gun control
group is helping you. the women's march people are helping you. how do you make sure those people aren't using you for their specific agendas? >> kasky: well, we don't let them. you see, that's the thing. we all remember everybody has an agenda. >> alfonsi: these are people with decades of experience. are they giving you guidance? >> kasky: i can't get a hotel room on my own. i'm 17 years old. of course, we have people helping us with that. i can't get the city permits for ten blocks down pennsylvania avenue in washington, d.c. we allow them to help where they can, but we make sure that we are calling the shots. and anybody who tries to call the shots for us, we respectfully say, "that's not what this is about." >> alfonsi: have you had to do that? have you seen people trying to push back on you guys? >> kasky: politicians have asked us to endorse them. nope. you can support us all you want, but if you think you can get your hands on our movement? it's just not going to happen. >> alfonsi: have you turned people away who have offered money? >> kasky: yes. >> alfonsi: and why have you turned them away? >> kasky: because they said,
"here's some money, if you do this." the second we get an "if," sorry. it's gone. >> alfonsi: during our interview, alex had to leave early for a theatre performance. cameron, for a family dinner. they are trying to live their teenage lives, and protect them. >> alfonsi: did you ever think, "i don't want to get into this. this is a nasty fight that i don't want to be in the middle of?" >> emma gonzalez: i mean, i have no choice. >> alfonsi: well, you do. you don't have to. >> emma gonzalez: no, i don't. >> alfonsi: why? >> emma gonzalez: i have no choice because there were there were cnn cameras there. and my speech was broadcast all over the country in, like, four seconds, and i had no idea they were going to be there. i'm not upset at that. i'm just never going to be the same person again. >> alfonsi: do you think you'll be able to go back to your life? >> emma gonzalez: i hope so. i don't know.
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>> norah o'donnell: at 32 years old, saudi arabia's crown prince mohammed bin salman is already the most dominant arab leader in a generation. this week, he embarks on a cross-country american tour, where he'll pitch his kingdom to a skeptical u.s. public. he was named heir to the throne nine months ago by his 82-year- old father, king salman, who granted his son vast new powers. known by his initials, m.b.s., his reforms inside saudi arabia have been revolutionary. he is emancipating women, introducing music and cinema, and cracking down on corruption, in a land with 15,000 princes. but selling saudi arabia won't be easy. in his first interview with an american television network, he was eager to discuss his country's promise, and its troubled reputation head on. when many americans think about saudi arabia, they think about
osama bin laden and 9/11. they think about the terrorism that he brought to american soil. >> mohammed bin salman ( translated ): right. osama bin laden recruited 15 saudis in the 9/11 attacks with a clear objective. according to the c.i.a. documents and congressional investigations, osama bin laden wanted to create a schism between the middle east and the west, between saudi arabia and the united states of america. >> o'donnell: why did osama bin laden want to create that hatred between the west and saudi arabia? >> bin salman ( translated ): in order to create an environment conducive to recruitment and spreading his radical message that the west is plotting to destroy you. indeed he succeeded in creating this schism in the west. >> o'donnell: and how do you change that? because it looks like what you're trying to do is change things here at home. >> bin salman ( translated ): indeed. i believe that we have succeeded in many respects in the last three years. >> o'donnell: we first met prince mohammed at the royal court in riyadh.
he arrived in a driving rain, a sign of good fortune in the desert kingdom. he's been called bold and visionary for his reforms at home, as well as reckless and impulsive in his rise to power. he has kicked a hornet's nest in the middle east and earned a host of new enemies, partly why he's one of the most heavily- guarded men in the world. this is the office where he starts his days. working hard? >> bin salman: always. >> o'donnell: he learned english from watching movies as a kid. and he's acutely aware that 70% of the population is like him, under the age of 35, and getting restless. what's been the biggest challenge? >> bin salman: there's a lot of challenge. i think the first big challenge that we have is do the people believe in what we are doing. >> o'donnell: there is a widespread perception that the kind of islam practiced inside arabia is harsh, it's strict, it's intolerant. is there any truth to that? >> bin salman ( translated ):
after 1979, that's true. we were victims, especially my generation that suffered from this a great deal. >> o'donnell: the crown prince traces most of saudi arabia's problems to the year 1979, when the ayatollah khomeini established an islamic theocracy next door in iran. the same year, religious extremists in saudi arabia took over islam's holiest site, the grand mosque in mecca. in order to appease their own religious radicals, the saudis began clamping down and segregating women from everyday life. what has been this saudi arabia for the past 40 years? is that the real saudi arabia? >> bin salman ( translated ): absolutely not. this is not the real saudi arabia. i would ask your viewers to use their smartphones to find out. and they can google saudi arabia in the '70s and '60s, and they will see the real saudi arabia easily in the pictures. >> o'donnell: what was saudi
arabia like before 1979? >> bin salman ( translated ): we were living a very normal life like the rest of the gulf countries. women were driving cars. there were movie theaters in saudi arabia. women worked everywhere. we were just normal people developing like any other country in the world until the events of 1979. >> o'donnell: saudi women, who've been virtually invisible in public, have been given new rights, making it easier for them to start a business, join the military, and attend concerts and sporting events. in june, they will be able to get behind the wheel and drive. are women equal to men? >> bin salman ( translated ): absolutely. we are all human beings and there is no difference. >> o'donnell: you have said you are, "taking saudi arabia back to what we were, a moderate islam." what does that mean? >> bin salman ( translated ): we have extremists who forbid mixing between the two sexes and are unable to differentiate between a man and a woman alone together and their being
together in a work place. many of those ideas contradict the way of life during the time of the prophet and the caliphs. this is the real example and the true model. >> o'donnell: he has curbed the powers of the country's so called "religious police," who until recently were able to arrest women for not covering up. and listen carefully to what he says is not part of islamic law. >> bin salman ( translated ): the laws are very clear and stipulated in the laws of sharia: that women wear decent, respectful clothing, like men. this, however, does not particularly specify a black abaya or a black head cover. the decision is entirely left for women to decide what type of decent and respectful attire she chooses to wear. >> o'donnell: his words are significant, and so far, the kingdom's religious leaders are holding their tongues, and have sworn allegiance to the young prince. of all of the meetings he presides over every week, this
is the most important: his economic council. these are the men, and a few women, trusted with re-making saudi arabia's social pact with its people. one of the crown prince's closest advisers is mohammed al- sheikh, a saudi-born, harvard- trained lawyer. >> mohammed al-sheikh: we had a young population. and we were providing for the population, you know subsidized energy, subsidized water, subsidized medicine, subsidized education, we subsidized everybody's life. >> o'donnell: and no taxes. >> mohammed al-sheikh: and no taxes. >> o'donnell: how close was saudi arabia to a financial crisis? >> mohammed al-sheikh: i don't think it was extremely close, but it was heading in that direction. >> o'donnell: reforming the welfare state is one challenge. another is what the crown prince calls saudi arabia's "addiction" to oil. the state oil company, aramco, is valued at $2 trillion. under the crown prince's plan, some of it will be sold off to
invest in new ventures. there are concerns that the kingdom's secretive finances and dismal record on human rights may spook investors. you have promised transparency and openness. but there are reports that dozens of people who have criticized your government have been arrested in the last year. they include economists, clerics, intellectuals. is this really an open and free society? >> bin salman ( translated ): we will try to publicize as much as we can and as fast as we can, information about these individuals in order to make the world aware of what the government of saudi arabia is doing to combat radicalism. >> o'donnell: but to answer the question about human rights abuses in this country. >> bin salman ( translated ): saudi arabia believes in many of the principles of human rights. in fact, we believe in the notion of human rights, but ultimately saudi standards are not the same as american standards.
i don't want to say that we don't have shortcomings. we certainly do. but naturally we are working to mend these shortcomings. >> o'donnell: but the crown prince has been accused of heavy-handed tactics. the most extraordinary example happened last november, at the ritz-carlton hotel in riyadh. he invited hundreds of current and former government ministers, media moguls, prominent businessmen, and at least 11 princes to a meeting here, where they were accused of stealing from the state, and were held until they either paid it back or proved their innocence. i mean, what happened at the ritz-carlton? how did that work? you were, essentially, the ritz- carlton became a jail. >> bin salman ( translated ): what we did in saudi arabia was extremely necessary. all actions taken were in accordance with existing and published laws. >> o'donnell: among the detained was prince alwaleed bin talal, one of the richest men in the world. after prince alwaleed was
detained for more than two months, the saudis allowed a camera crew inside his room at the ritz for a brief interview. >> prince alaweed: and i'd like to stay here until this thing's over completely and get out and life goes on. >> o'donnell: mohammed al-sheikh said the crackdown was necessary. >> mohammed al-sheikh: it wasn't easy.heames and given the people who were involved, it really wasn't easy. but we, we just felt that we had to do this. and, and we had to do it that way. >> o'donnell: what kind of corruption are we talking about? i mean, how much money was disappearing? >> mohammed al-sheikh: probably five to 10% of the annual spend by the government, which was roughly, i would say anywhere between $10 to 20 billion, maybe even more, on an annual basis. >> o'donnell: so $20 billion a year is just disappearing? >> mohammed al-sheikh: disappearing. >> o'donnell: there have been reports that some detainees were physically abused, and one died in custody.
the saudis told us the choice of the hotel "was to maintain the respect, dignity, and comfort for those being investigated." was it a power grab? >> bin salman ( translated ): if i have the power and the king has the power to take action against influential people, then you are already fundamentally strong. these are naiïve accusations. >> o'donnell: how much money did you get back? >> bin salman ( translated ): the amount exceeds $100 billion, but the real objective was not this amount or any other amount. the idea is not to get money, but to punish the corrupt and send a clear signal that whoever engages in corrupt deals will face the law. >> o'donnell: is this also about sending a message that, as we say in americaw sheriff in town? >> bin salman ( translated ): absolutely. absolutely. >> o'donnell: but while the "new sheriff" is cracking down on corruption, there are questions about his own fortune. the "new york times" reports he recently purchased this yacht
for a half-billion dollars, along with this french chateau. >> bin salman ( translated ): my personal life is something i'd like to keep to myself and i don't try to draw attention to it. if some newspapers want to point something out about it, that's up to them. as far as my private expenses, i'm a rich person and not a poor person. i'm not gandhi or mandela. i'm a member of the ruling family that existed for hundreds of years before the founding of saudi arabia. we own very large lots of land, and my personal life is the same as it was 10 or 20 years ago. but what i do as a person is to spend part of my personal income on charity. i spend at least 51% on people and 49% on myself. >> o'donnell: among the prince's official titles is minister of defense. and this is where his apparent fixation on iran has led him into a quagmire in neighboring yemen. >> bin salman ( translated ):
the iranian ideology penetrated some parts of yemen. during that time, this militia was conducting military maneuvers right next to our borders, and positioning missiles at our borders. >> o'donnell: his response was to launch a bombing campaign that's led to a humanitarian disaster, as we reported on "60 minutes" last fall. he says iranian-backed rebels have used the country to fire missiles at riyadh. >> bin salman ( translated ): i can't imagine that the united states will accept one day to have a militia in mexico launching missiles on washington, d.c., new york, and l.a. while americans are watching these missiles and doing nothing. >> o'donnell: the united nations says thousands of civilian deaths in yemen are the direct result of saudi air strikes and a blockade, since lifted, of yemen's port that temporarily stopped food and medicine from getting to hundreds of thousands of people.
do you acknowledge that it has been a humanitarian catastrophe, 5,000 civilians killed and children starving there? >> bin salman ( translated ): it is truly very painful, and i hope that this militia ceases using the humanitarian situation to their advantage in order to draw sympathy from the international community. they block humanitarian aid in order to create famine and a humanitarian crisis. >> o'donnell: is what's happening in yemen, essentially, a proxy war with iran? >> bin salman ( translated ): unfortunately, iran is playing a harmful role. the iranian regime is based on pure ideology. many of the al-qaeda operatives are protected in iran and it refuses to surrender them to justice, and continues to refuse to extradite them to the united states. this includes the son of osama bin laden, the new leader of al- qaeda. he lives in iran and works out of iran. he is supported by iran. >> o'donnell: it's worth noting
that sunni saudi arabia and shia iran both claim to represent the one true branch of islam. at its heart, what is this rift about? is it a battle for islam? >> bin salman ( translated ): iran is not a rival to saudi arabia. its army is not among the top five armies in the muslim world. the saudi economy is larger than the iranian economy. iran is far from being equal to saudi arabia. >> o'donnell: but i've seen that you called the ayatollah, khamenei, "the new hitler" of the middle east. >> bin salman ( translated ): absolutely. >> o'donnell: why? >> bin salman ( translated ): because he wants to expand. he wants to create his own project in the middle east very much like hitler who wanted to expand at the time. many countries around the world and in europe did not realize how dangerous hitler was until what happened, happened. i don't want to see the same events happening in the middle east. >> o'donnell: does saudi arabia need nuclear weapons to counter iran?
>> bin salman ( translated ): saudi arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb, but without a doubt if iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible. >> o'donnell: when we come back, you'll hear from some saudi women about the revolutionary changes in their lives. what is the power of pacific? it's life insurance and retirement solutions to help you reach your goals. it's having the confidence to create the future that's most meaningful to you. it's protection for generations of families, and 150 years of strength and stability. and when you're able to harness all of that, that's the power of pacific. ask a financial advisor about pacific life. only tylenol® rapid release gels
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the vast majority of the kingdom's citizens are under 30, connected to the world at large through their cell phones. just as important, oil is no longer a predictable source of revenue, meaning the cradle-to- grave healthcare, education and other services that have been the birthright of every saudi citizen, are imperiled. it's a combustible mix for a brash leader in a dangerous part of the world. but, the heir to the throne seems eager for the challenge. oh, this is where you spend all night? >> mohammed bin salman: mostly. so all of the workaholic minister used to spend most of their nights in this, in this office. soi'm sorry if it's a little bit lousy. >> o'donnell: this is not a lousy office. he spends most evenings in riyadh's irgah palace, where he dispenses with the traditional saudi headscarf. and so what time in the morning are you here till working? >> bin salman: oh, i come here,
at, like afternoon till late night. >> o'donnell: we're told his 82- year-old father, king salman, is somewhere upstairs, leaving most of the day-to-day work to his son. he escorted us at 9:00 p.m. into this meeting about the public investment fund. under prince mohammed's detailed plan to remake saudi arabia, called "vision 2030," the public investment fund will eventually grow to $2 trillion. the men in this room are talking about how to invest it. they recently sank $3.5 billion into uber. if bets like that pay off, it will be dividends, not oil revenues, pouring into the saudi treasury. >> princess reema: this man spends 24 hours a day working towards this vision.
>> o'donnell: princess reema bint bandar is the crown prince's cousin and he chose her to lead one of the government sports authorities. you were surprised by the pace with which he's doing stuff. >> princess reema: i'm not surprised by the pace. i'm surprised by how detailed the pace is. we are not a community that's used to somebody saying, "tuesday the 5th of november, i want to see x." that kind of means yes, maybe, inshallah. >> o'donnell: god willing. >> princess reema: there is actually a tracking system that we all monthly update. what's our progress? how have we hit our numbers? we are working and operating like a private sector. and that's new. >> o'donnell: to a visitor, it doesn't look like that much has changed. single men in crisp white robes and women dressed entirely in black, keep their distance from one another. female visitors still feel obligated to wear the traditional abaya in public, but no longer the headscarf. at this starbucks, men sit in
one section, women and families just beyond the wooden partition. are you the oldest? it was difficult to get people, especially women, to talk on camera about the crown prince's reforms. this man urged caution. >> abdul rahman: i like the change that is gradual. we don't want to move too fast and pay a heavy price. >> o'donnell: in other words, you think that the crown prince has to be very careful about the pace? >> abdul rahman: exactly. >> o'donnell: saudi arabia still adheres to an ancient power- sharing arrangement between the house of saud and wahhabi islam, the strict, predominant faith in saudi arabia. but the crown prince told us it is not his religion, but extremists within islamic groups like the muslim brotherhood, that have infiltrated saudi society, including its schools. are you looking at the schooling
and the education in saudi arabia? >> bin salman ( translated ): saudi schools have been invaded by many elements from the muslim brotherhood organization, surely to a great extent. even now, there are some elements left. it will be a short while until they are all eradicated completely. >> o'donnell: you say you're going to eradicate this extremism in the education system here? >> bin salman ( translated ): of course, no country in the world would accept that its educational system be invaded by any radical group. >> o'donnell: the crown prince represents the vast majority of the saudi people, who are overwhelmingly young, restless, and connected to just about everything through their cell phones. they see a kindred spirit in their new ipad-addicted leader. most of the young women that i met are all on snapchat. they were asking me to join them on snapchat. this is changing this entire culture.
>> bin salman ( translated ): i can't claim that i played a role in this. saudi citizens have always been open to social media and technology. >> o'donnell: young saudis we talked to at this trendy pop-up burger joint say they are still careful about what they post on twitter and instagram, which is why members of the opposite sex connect via private messaging apps like snapchat and whatsapp. social media. >> male #1: it's huge in saudi arabia. >> male #2: this is our escape, yes. >> o'donnell: the phone is your escape? >> yes. social media is. >> o'donnell: the crown prince has more pressing concerns: only 22% of saudi women work, and he wants to encourage more to join the workforce. >> bin salman ( translated ): we are working on an initiative, which we will launch in the near future, to introduce regulations ensuring equal pay for men and women. >> o'donnell: but you're talking about equal pay. women can't even drive in this country. this is the last, last place in the world that women don't have the rights to drive. >> bin salman ( translated ): this is no longer an issue.
today, driving schools have been established and will open soon. in a few months, women will drive in saudi arabia. we are finally over that painful period that we cannot justify. >> o'donnell: certainly, most people hear about the rule that will allow women to drive in june. but there have also existed these guardianship laws that, in order to travel, a woman has to get the permission of a male in her household. it seems so throwback. >> bin salman ( translated ): today, saudi women still have not received their full rights. there are rights stipulated in islam that they still don't have. we have come a very long way and have a short way to go. >> o'donnell: he wanted us to see this driving school, at princess nourah university, the largest all women's university in the world. the school is preparing to teach 70,000 women how to drive. these trainers will put women through classes and simulators before having them hit the road. how do you get to work or school now? >> woman #1: for me, i have a
driver. or, like, my dad or my brother. >> woman #2: driving is just a quick win. it's not everything. it's just representative that we're going in the right direction. it's progress. the trajectory now is just going forward and not backwards. >> o'donnell: you are witnessing history. >> yes. exactly. we are glad to be part of this history. >> o'donnell: princess reema is also helping make history-- she recently opened the gates for saudi women to attend soccer matches. i mean, it was just in 2015 that a saudi woman was arrested trying to go to a game. >> princess reema: yes. yes. and you know what? i'm proud to say that i was at the first game where that's no longer a reality. how sensational is that to say in two years? in two years the arc has changed. >> o'donnell: people have asked me for my impressions and there's so much that's modern, in terms of infrastructure and american restaurants. but it is still interesting to see that single men eat in one part of the restaurant. and families and women in another.
>> princess reema: correct. >> o'donnell: it's segregated. >> princess reema: it is viewed here as the preservation of the privacy of the personal space of the woman. if it comes out to being viewed internationally as disrespectful, that's not the intention. does it end up sometimes causing obstacles? yes. but the intent is not disrespect. >> o'donnell: do you think mohammed bin salman is prepared to take the throne? >> princess reema: i don't think anyone is ever prepared. i think since he was 18 years old he has been groomed for leadership. >> o'donnell: his ascension would mark a generational power shift. it was his grandfather, king abdulaziz, who founded modern saudi arabia, and was succeeded by six sons, including the current king, king salman. the crown prince grew up by his father's side, learning and biding his time. what did you learn from your father? >> bin salman ( translated ): many, many things. he loves history very much.
he is an avid reader of history. each week, he would assign each one of us a book. and at the end of the week he would ask us about the content of that book. the king always says, "if you read the history of 1,000 years, you have the experience of 1,000 years." >> o'donnell: mohammed bin salman is trying to keep pace with a population that's become as familiar with american celebrity culture as they are with the tales of the prophet in the birthplace of islam. just as american society transformed during the 1960's, the saudis are in the midst of their own cultural revolution. the kingdom, the middle east, and the islamic world may never be the same. you're 32 years old. you could rule this country for the next 50 years. >> bin salman ( translated ): only god knows how long one will live, if one would live 50 years or not, but if things go their
normal ways, then that's to be expected. >> o'donnell: can anything stop you? >> bin salman ( translated ): only death. >> the crown prince says it's a woman's decision, but on the streets, a "60 minutes" producer was told to cover her hair. go to 60minutesovertime.com. on almost everybody. on the face of a flower girl? the hand of a ranch hand? the knee of a needle pointer? prescription eucrisa is a nose to toes eczema ointment. it blocks overactive pde4 enzymes within your skin. and it's steroid-free. do not use if you are allergic to eucrisa or its ingredients. allergic reactions may occur at or near the application site. the most common side effect is application site pain. ask your doctor about eucrisa.
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