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captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: it's sunday, july 15th. i'm margaret brennan and this is "face the nation." in the midst of the president's controversial and confrontation-filled european visit, more evidence that top russian spies worked to undermine hillary clinton in the 2016 presidential campaign. plus new warnings from within his own cabinet that america's digital infrastructure is now under attack by russia. the president tried to lower expectations for his monday's one-on-one summit with vladimir putin in an interview with cbs eve news anchor jeff glor. >> i go in with very low expectations. i think that getting along with russia is a good thing. but it's possible we won't. president hounded nato partners
to increase their own defense spending, leaving them flabbergasted as one european diplomat told us. plvithe u.s. is not seeing eye-to-eye with its closest allies. in london president trump sharply criticized prime minister theresa may in aith ner brexit negotiations. just as the president arrived for tea with the queen, back home special counsel robert mueller delivered a surprise, charging 12 russian military intelligence officials with hacking into democratic party targets in 2016. remember then-candidate trump's challenge about hillary clinton's e-mail server? >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> brennan: it now appears russia was listening, because on that very same day, russian officials named in the indictment began hacking into clinton's server.
mueller's move celt the stage for a potential confrontation between mr. trump and putin, but many fear the president won't be tough enough on the issue of russian meddling in u.s. elections. >> i will absolutely bring that up. i don't think you'll have any, gee, i did it, i did it, you got me. there won't be a perry mason here i don't think. >> brennan: cbs this morning co-host norah o'donnell is heading up the coverage of the helsinki summit. she'll have a preview. we'll speak with two leading republicans who have been investigating the meddling, john cornyn and trey gowdy. new york congressman joe crowley lost his political seat in a stunning upset last month. he'll join us to talk about the future of the analysis on russia and all the political news in washington just ahead on "face the nation."
good morning and welcome to "face the nation." president trump is still in europe and he's heading next to helsinki, finland, for tomorrow's meeting with russian president vladimir putin. yesterday he spent
some time with "cbs evening news" jeff glor at the president's golf resort in turnberry, scotland. >> i saw the conversation you had with jens stoltenberg, which was a very direct conversation. as you approach the meetings with vladimir putin coming up, do you expect a similar tone? >> i don't expect anything. i frankly don't expect... i go in with very low expectations. i think that getting along with russia is a good thing, but it's possible we won't. i think we're greatly hampered by this whole witch-hunt that's going on in the united states, the russian witch-hunt, the rigged situation. i watched some of the testimony, even though i'm in europe, of strzok, and i thought it was a disgrace to our country. i thought it was an absolute
disgrace where he wants to do things against me before i was even... i guess before i was even the candidate. it was a disgrace. and then he lied about it. and, you know, talking about shutting it down, we, we. he says, oh, i mend the american people all. a sudden. he came up with excuses. i guess he gave in to a lawyer. everybody laughed at it. he's a disgrace to our county. he's a disgrace to the f.b.i. he led that investigation or whatever you call it. i would say that, yeah, i think it hurts our relationship with russia. i actually think it hurts our relationship with a lot of countries. i think it's a disgrace what's going on. and then you look how partisan it is. you look at what's going on where... and they know. they know there's in way he can get away from those horrible texts that he wrote. so the other side knows, but it's a very partisan thing. >> brennan: the russians who were indicted, would you ask putin to send them here?
>> well, i might. i haven't thought of that, but i'll be asking about it. but this was during the obama administration. they were doing whatever it was during the obama administration. i heard that they were trying or people were trying to hack into the rnc, too, the republican national committee, but we had much better defenses. i've been told that by a number of people. we have much better defenses, so they couldn't. i think the dnc should be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be hacked. they had bad defenses. and they were able to be hacked. but i heard they were trying to hack the republicans, too, but, and this may be wrong, but they had much stronger defenses. >> brennan: what's your biggest competitor, the biggest foe globally right now? >> well, i think we have a lot of foes. i think the european union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. you wouldn't think of the european union, but they're a foe. russia is a foe in certain respects. china is a foe economically
certainly they're a foe. but that doesn't mean they're bad. it doesn't mean anything. it means that they're competitors. they want to do well, and we want to do well. we're starting to do well. you see what's going on. we have the best employment numbers probably that we've ever had, black unemployment is the lowest level in history. hispanic unemployment the lowest level in history, jeff. women unemployment lowest in 66 years. our numbers are great. our g.d.p. numbers are far greater than what they thought. >> brennan:>> a lot of people me surprised to hear you list the e.u. as a foe before china and russia. >> new york i look at them all. the e.u. is very difficult. maybe the thing that's most difficult, don't forget, both of my parents were born in e.u. sectors,
okay. my mother was scotland. my father was germany. and, you know, i love those countries. i respect the leaders of those countries, but in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us, and many of those
countries are in nato. they weren't paying their bills. you
know, as an example, i have a big problem with germany, because germany made a pipeline deal with russia where they're going to be paying russia billions and billions of dollars a year for energy. and i say that's not good. that's not fair. you're supposed to be fighting for someone and then that someone gives billions of dollars to the one that you're guarding against. i think it's ridiculous. so i let that be also known this time. there is a lot of anger at the fact that germany is paying russia billions of dollars. i also think it's a very bad thing for germany, because it's like, what are they weaferg a white flag? >> brennan: we'll have more of jeff's interview with president trump in scotland airing tomorrow on "cbs this morning" and later on the "cbs evening news" as well as our digital network cbsn. we want to go now to helsinki and "cbs this morning" co-host norah o'donnell, who is heading up the network's coverage of
president trump's meeting with vladimir putin. norah, in this interview and really throughout the week, the signals that the president has been sending seem very much at odds with his own national security team. >> >> reporter: you're exactly right, margaret. this is an historic summit. you hear the president's top national security advisers urging publicly and privately a more hawkish tone toward russia, and yet president trump continues his solicitousness toward vladimir putin, even once saying perhaps he could be a friend. we've learned some interesting details about this meeting. i spoke with a top adviser to the president just this morning who said that one-on-one meeting with vladimir putin is scheduled to last about half an hour. it could even be longer than that. and president putin has met with three previous u.s. presidents, never before has there been a private meetingis kind before. so this would be unprecedented. and we know so many of the president's advisers admit they
don't really know what happened when the president gets in the room, because he decides his own agenda, but what are the expectations on what they're actually going to talk about? >> reporter: well, the president told our own jeff glor that he has low expectations but that there might be some surprises. it's funny to hear him say that because there are incredibly high expectations by everyone else in the world what they're going to agreed to in the private conversations. we know president putin has a lot accomplished and that he wants from the united states. so after that meeting that they'll have together, they'll then be sort of an expanded meeting that will include their top advisers. president trump will be joined by his secretary of state. he'll be joined by his chief of staff, john kelly, as well as his national security adviser. then they may get into more specific substances. and then i think margaret, the only way for us to find out what was discussed in those meetings will be a press conference. and the u.s. has now confirmed this morning that there will be a joint press conference between president trump and president
putin. if you look at what president trump did after singapore, it lasted more than an hour. can you imagine such a long press conference between these two leaders and what they will say about the state of their relationship, about what russia has done in the past, what they're doing now in terms of trying to attack america's democracy and our cyber infrastructure. so i think that's what we're all looking forward to is what exactly comes out of this meeting, whether it's a spectacle or substance. >> brennan: norah, thank you. we want to go now to greenville, south carolina, and trey gowdy, chairman of the house oversight committee. that's one of the committees investigating russian meddling in the 2016 election. congressman, you just heard president trump once again refer to the russia probe as a witch-hunt, and he specifically referred to the hearing that you chaired this past week with f.b.i. agent peter strzok as proof of his claim. do you agree with the president's assertion, and they
do seem aimed here at discrediting the mueller probe. >> i don't think it's a witch-hunt. i have never thought it was a witch-hunt. we now have two series of indictments against russian, one for social media the other for the unlawful intrusions. russia attacked this country in 2016. that's the number-one thing we've asked mueller to look at. what did russia do. the second part, which unfortunately is where the hyper focus is, is with whom if anybody did they do it. marking -- margaret, no americans have been indicted with respect to conspiring to impact the 2016 elections. my focus is on the first thing: what did russia do, and that's not a witch-hunt. that's an attack on our country. >> brennan: you're right, no americans were charged, but 12 russian military intelligence officers were for attacking the dnc and other democratic organizations, going after hillary clinton's e-mails, and also attempting to break into state election boards. so how should americans understand this?
>> this is an attack on all ofmh themselves, but that fight ends at the border. i would ask the president to give some serious consideration. your first request of vladimir putin needs to, "tell us which airport we can pick up the 25 russians that tried to interfere with the fundamentals of our democracy. if you really claim you had nothing to do with it, then you should be as shock as we were that your military was being used to impact our election. tell us where you're going to extradite those folks, because an american grand jury indicted them for undermining our democracy." >> brennan: you have now heard over 20 hours of testimony from peter strzok, who is named by the president there. t with lisa page, a lawyer at the f.b.i. involved with this friday. i think you're meeting with her again tomorrow. in investigations, have you
seen any evidence of an anti-trump bias at the f.b.i.? >> sure. an anti-trump bias, absolutely. you just mentioned two of them, strzok and page. strzok was biased against trump before he began investigating him. of course, on august 6th he promised to stop his candidacy. on the 15th he talked about an insurance policy. i think the most damning piece of evidence with respect to bias is the day robert mueller was announced, special agent peter strzok wasn't talking about indictments like you and i just were. he wasn't talking about defending the country like you and i are. he's talking about impeaching the president. that is an unprecedented level of bias. now, how pervasive it was beyond those two, i think there are four of five other unidentified bureau and department agents and employees who also had bias, but there are 13,000 f.b.i. agents and 99.9% of them are doing exactly what you want them to do
in exactly the way you would want them to do it. >> brennan: a point here that seems to be getting lost or at least when the president is speaking, he's conflating these specific individuals, the number you put, four or five, with the entire intelligence organization that is the f.b.i., and there is some concern that that is corrosive to our democracy. do you fear that your hearing is being used in that way? >> well, our private hearing was much more constructive than the public hearing. public hearings are... that's why i don't like to do them. i don't do many of them. i mean, it's a freak show. the private interviews are much more constructive, but i would also say this: put yourself in president trump's shoes for just a second. jim comey thought that impeachment was too good for you. john brennan says you should be in the dustbin of history. those are not insignificant people. one headed the f.b.i. the other headed the c.i.a. when you were under investigation. the lead f.b.i. agent said that
you would be destabilizing for the country and promised to stop your candidacy. marking -- margaret, if you were being investigated by people with that level of bias and animus against you, i think you would be concerned, as well. what i would tell the president is no american has been indicted for conspiring to hack the dnc. but russia did attack us, so focus on the first prong of that mueller jurisdiction. let the second prong play out, but so far the with whom if anyone did they do it, we've got a big zero with respect to americans. >> brennan: but to play devil's advocate here, there are other republicans who were questioning the president as a candidate and comments he made and whether that made him fit for office. so you're not trying to argue that only trump supporters should be involved with this investigation? >> new york and thank god republican candidates for president aren't in charge of counterintelligence investigations. i mean, put politicians in one
heap. thank god we don't put them in charge of major investigations. peter strzok was supposed to be a counterintelligence expert. he was put in charge of the probe. and he's going from talking about stopping him to he hopes he resigns to impeachment. margaret, keep in mind, his main concern when he was trying to deliberate on whether or not to be part of mueller's probe is that it might not lead to impeachment. if you were a counterintelligence expert, this is the chance of a lifetime to fight for your country against russia, and you're concerned it might not lead to impeachment. no american would want peter strzok investigating them if he had that amount of animus against them. none of us would. >> brennan: are you going to sign on to this effort to peach deputy attorney general rod rosenstein that house republicans are talking about putting forward this week? >> no. for what? impeach him for what. >> brennan: inappropriate.
>> i've had my differences with rod rosenstein. i talked to him quite often privately, which again is a lot more constructive than the public hearings we have. he's a trump appointee. so is jeff sessions. so is chris way. if president trump is dissatisfied with rod rosenstein, he can fire him with a tweet. to impeach someone -- i'm not convinced there is a movement. i read about it in politico and sometimes their sources are better than mine. but i'm not part of that. >> brennan: very quickly. are you going to investigate who the congressional candidate was who was in contact with the conspirators? this is named in the indictment? >> i would love to know who that was, so i hope you'll investigate it. i'm going to try to find out who it is. this is an unindicted -- that's important. whatever this person did, it didn't rise to the level of criminality, but i am incredibly disappointed that any member of congress would reach out to
wikileaks or julian assange or goosifer or lucifer and try to get dirt on a democrat. that is very disappointing. i don't know who it is, but i would love it if you or i found out who it was. >> brennan: when you find out, get back us to congressman. >> you do the same. >> thank you for your time. we'll be back in one minute with a lot more conversation with the number two in the senate, john cornyn. don't go away. so it bounces back. neutrogena® so it bounces back. money managers are pretty much the same. all but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions
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>> well, russia's long been engaged in trying to undermine confidence in our democracy. it's just that their game has now risen to the point where they actually had an impact. obviously we wouldn't be talking about this if they didn't have an impact. so we better wake up, because this is a warning shot for our next elections, and we better be ready. on the other hand, i agree with my friend trey gowdy and jonathan turly who wrote a piece recently who said this didn't have an impact in the outcome of the election. it would be like spitting into a raging ocean. this is serious. i agree that russians did meddle in our elections. we better be prepared for next time. flu is no indication that it changed the outcome of the election. >> brennan: do you think the president is taking this seriously enough? >> i think president is doing what you said earlier, which is conflating the meddling
investigation with the investigation into potential continuing resolution, for which there has been no evidence revealed so far. and i think it's personal to him, because he feels like he is under attack, and, of course, he is. the politics of this are very tempting to our friends across the aisle. but i think he's conflating those two as are a number over people, and we need to keep those separate. yes, the russians did meddle. number two, did any american collude with them, and is far there is no evidence. >> brennan: so far no evidence, but that investigation is ongoing. tomorrow president trump will with meeting with russian leader vladimir putin. do you think, given these indictments, that this is a good idea for them to be one on one for at least 30 minutes if not a full hour? >> i think it's always helpful when leaders of nations talk to one another. to me it would be
counterproductive to ignore that or to avoid that possibility. on the other hand, i think the president should be clear-eyed about who he is dealing. with putin is an autocrat. he's a thug. he does not respect the rule of law. obviously he doesn't respected our democracy. and he wants to undermine it at every chance he gets. but on the other hand, there are commonalities here in terms of our desire the fight the islamic extremism around the world. they have a problem in russia itself in the chechnya area, and, of course, we're adversaries clearly in places like syria in terms of their alliance with iran, the number-one state sponsored international tewoute e some arn can occur. >> brenn in flashingigence said right now. our digital infrastructure is under attack. he named russia as one of those attackers.
what's being done to protected our elections? >> he's right. he's right. well, the senate select committee on intelligence on which i sit has released a preliminary report. we will release a final report, but we're working with state election officials and trying to make sure that people are better prepared. but if there is one area where i worry about the most, it's that our lack of national hall of government response to the cyber threat. this is to me an area that is going to continue to be exploited by our adversaries, whether it's the chinese for economic reasons or steal national security technology or the russians to undermine our elections. >> brennan: nor, more to talk to you about, particularly the president's pick for supreme court. if you can hold on, we'll get back to you after this break in a moment. >> this portion of "face the nation" is sponsored by the unexpected energy of
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>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we want to continue our conversation now with texas republican senator john cornyn. senator, you count votes for the majority. if republicans vote as a bloc, democrats really don't have a way to stop the president from getting his nominee brett kavanaugh confirmed. can you deliver your party? >> well, neil gorsuch got 54 votes when he was confirmed, and i think brett kavanaugh brings similar academic and experience, background and judicial philosophy that i think most people on my side of the aisle will find acceptable. but i know everybody feels serious about doing their jb, doing their due diligence. as you know, the constitution requires the senate to provide advice and consent, and i know a number of senators who don't yet know him or are meeting him and
satisfying themselves. but i think we saw three democrats vote with all the republicans for neil gorsuch, and i think we'll see something in that range for brett kavanaugh. >> brennan: three democrats you're putting money on? >> well, i think it would be hard to explain why did you vote to confirm gorsuch and you vote against kavanaugh. i would be interested in what their distinction would be in their mind that would cause a different outcome. so we'll find out. >> brennan: democrats, one of the questions they have for judge kavanaugh when he goes before the committee is whether he would recuse himself, his thoughts on recusal, particularly if the mueller probe ever were to reach the ct. how aryou questions? >> well, brett kavanaugh is an experienced judge. he is one of the finest lawyers on nation has to offer. so i have confidence he would
make that decision appropriately if it were ever presented, but to me this is an indication of how much our friends across the aisle are stretching, the hypothetical that if a case ever got in front of the supreme court and he were there, would he recuse. i'm confident he will follow the ethical guy -- guidance of the rules of judicial conduct and would handle that appropriately. but i think it's really a sign of desperation. >> brennan: well, we will be watching those hearings, sir. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you very much. thank you. >> brennan: we turn now to victoria nuland, former assistant secretary of state for european and eurasian affairs. she's now at the center for new american security, and tom donnelland served as national security adviser to president obama. they're both with us now. there is so much to unpack from what we heard from president trump with my colleague jeff glor. the first idea of a foe of the united states, the european union.
that's what he said. what does rhetoric like that do? >> margaret, i think it's very dangerous, whether it's the rhetoric against the european union or the rhetoric against nato. the president has spent more time in the last week attacking our democratic family than preparing for the real foe, president putin, who he identified in his own national security strategy as a main threat to the united states. so we're essentially beating the family on the front lawn of the house and letting our adversary enjoy that. so it's quite worrying. >> brennan: tom, what do you make of this? because some would say this, you know, this is sound and fury signifying nothing. this is trump being trump and the policy is, as ambassador bolton would say, very clear and hard line against russia. >> it may be clear to his advisers, and i think there is a significant split frankly between the president and his advisers. no president has ever conductedk
with relentless attack on allies, this embrace of putin, really undermining the united states with the publics of europe, as well. the european union, nato, these have been foundational partners for the united states for the last half century or more. and the attacks on them are really corrosive i think and really undermine the sense of reliability that i think europeans have in the united states. i think the appropriate thing would have been at nato in europe would have been to develop a unified approach russia and point to the positive things that we have in nato. victoria was an ambassador in nato, but to have a unified approach. essentially what's going on here i fear is really advancing russian strategic goals, which have been for 70 years to divide europe from the united states, undermine the western democracy, and essentially whether purposefully or by accident the president has kind of fallen into advancing those goals. >> brennan: ambassador newtown,
newland, i should have pointed out, you were the ambassador to nato, of course. you were in the obama administration at the time of the hacking. you have served republicans and democrats as a career diplomat. but you were there when these gru military officers attacked our democracy. at the time you came up with a list of ways to punish russia. do you think that russia and putin have paid a price for what they did to the u.s.? >> i don't think the price has been anywhere near sufficient, but what i worry about more than going backward to 2016 is whether we are prepared for what they're going to do in 018, 2020. the president spent quite a bit of time talking about president obama's watch. president obama did conduct a full investigation and hand that to president trump. my concern now is we've had year and a half where the u.s. government directed by president trump should have been leading its own investigation of what russians, chinese, other adversaries of the united states can do to undermine our
democracy, and building up our resistance, our deterrence to that and instead this has all been about going backward. we need to go forward and make sure it inner happens again, including being extremely firm with president putin tomorrow about real consequences for russia in places that matter to them like their economy where russia is not doing very well. if, in fact, this continues in the united states. and it has been continuing, as you illustrated with the quote from dni coates. >> he said something further. he said we're one keystroke away from having the same kind of thing happen in 2018 and 2020 as happened in 016. there hasn't been anywhere near the government response that's required. we've had the united states government come out with an extraordinary set of indictments this week, where the united states said it was prepared to move beyond a reasonable doubt with public evidence to a jury that president putin is lying about his denials with respect to the election interference and that we have absolute proof of this, and yet the response from the white house is a political
response as opposed to as victoria is pointing out correctly as opposed to what the government and this nation is going to do to defend itself. >> brennan: the president saying in tweets against in the past 24 hours, look, this happened on president obama's watch and he didn't do enough, blame him. what is your response? i though you weren't in the administration at the time of the hacking, but do you agree with victoria that the price hasn't been sufficient? >> that's president of the united states today. hi is pitting himself against a unified view of the intelligence and law enforcement services of the united states. >> and his own cabinet. >> and his own cabinet, exactly right, victoria. the question is what is the united states going to do today to respond and protect the nation. that's what this needs to be. not a political issues or blaming. it's what is the united states going to do. we did a number of things. i would have to say that there's been an averting of the eyes, turning away from the conduct of the russians by president trump. i don't think at least by public
reports, margaret, that there has been a single cabinet meeting on this problem. i don't think there has been a single national security council meeting on this thing. one thing i want to say. i know you agree with me, tori, because you were alludeing to it. it's not just the interference, the list of things, margaret, crimea, ukraine, the shoot down of mh-17 killing 298 people, the use of nerve agents in the united kingdom, aiding and abetting war crimes in syria, the list of actively hostile actions by the russians since putin's return to office is extreme and we don't really have not had any response from the president. this is his responsibility now. >> brennan: but that's exactly why the meeting should happen. so the president can take putin on on all of these issues and make clear if they don't come into into civilized behavior that there will be more consequence, economic sanctions, more freezing out, and instead this is now set up to be a lovefest.go e leave it, there but
we'll all tune in for that joint press conference to hear about what was discussed in this meeting. we'll be right back to talk more about the politics of the democratic party. salads should look like this. crisp leaves of lettuce. freshly made dressing. clean food that looks this good. delivered to your desk. now delivering to home or office. panera. food as it should be.
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about it. congressman, it's good to have >> tnk you, margaret. great to be with you. >> brennan: you were first house democrat the lose a primary in 2018. it can't be good the hear, that but can you say, do you think your district was an anomaly or is there a bigger message to democrats? >> i think there are a number of factors that went into this loss, and first and foremost, it's been one of the greatest honors of my life to serve the people of the 14th congressional district. this is on me. this loss is on me. i had wonderful volunteers, hundreds of them, and a great campaign. sometimes you come up short. i want to congratulate alexandria ocasio-cortez. her campaign was effective. i think the year of the woman is a factor that's playing into this. i like that for november. i think that's really good for us as party. i think the timing of the primary itself, not being the
normal september into uniwas an isolated primary, but in respects i say, i don't want the take anything away from her win. this is a big win for her and for the future of our country, as well, and this is... the loss, i have to take the responsibility for that. i did not do as i preach. i talk about all politics being local. i didn't remind folks of my accomplishments. i didn't talk about what i had done to help people in my district. how i helped provide the votes to overturn gay marriage fine have gay marriage in new york state that went from 2-5 to 7-0. that is something i worked with governor cuomo making happen. i didn't talk about helping people in my district and reminding people where i stood. i just took that nor granted i think. >> brennan: you talk about some of the bigger themes or takeaways from this, but just about 12% of registered democrats turned out to vote in this primary. that are we overreading it? >> i think it goes back to the
primary itself. some people may have taken for granted that i've been around for a while and i've decided they'll get me in december, so to speak, but i don't think we really go back and relit gait that aspect of it. we all play by the same rules, and ms. ocasio-cortez and i played by the same rules. i do think the turnout is low. i think it's more reflective of some of the arcane nature of new york state election law itself that may be contributing to this factor. >> brennan: the winner here, alexandria ocasio-cortez, 28 years old, political newcomer. he's accused the democratic party writ large of not taking the interests of people of color seriously, not paying much attention to working-class communities. do you think there is fair criticism of that? >> i think it's always open the criticism in terms of policy. i think we need the steer away from character assassination and
i think we have to take that energy that's been focused on internal bouts and focus that on republicans and win seats that republicans hold today. if we really want to make a difference. i think the democratic caucus is a big tent party. it's reflected. just look at party. take a picture of the people who represent the democrats in the house and republicans in the house. it's night and day literally in terms of the number of minorities that are represented in the crackic caucus. it's there. so i do think we need to focus now on winning seats in november and ensuring the democrats are in control for the sake of our country quite frankly. i think the greatest threat to us is this president in the white house. >> brennan: . >> brennan: if democrats stay control, should nancy pelosi stay as leader? >> i think when history looks back at nancy pelosi, they will look at the one of the smartest and hardest working speakers and leaders in the history of our country. >> brennan: your loss made some democrats question that. >> i do think that will be up to
the new congress to decide who the next leader or speaker will be. if we win the house back, nancy will have a strong case for holding on to the speakership. if not maybe other issues come to the fore at that point. but it's up to the next democratic caucus to decide that. >> brennan: congressman, good to have you on the show. >> thank you. can i say just one thing? i love this country. i love it so much and i am so proud to have represented my constituents. but i am very, very worried about the direction of this country. i have a lot to be grateful for. it's given mae tremendous experience in life, but we need to win back the house to bring... to recognize this country once again. >> i can imagine you'll be working on that as we go toward the races in november. we'll be back in just a moment with our panel. tial
at politico. i asked him if he would sign on the impeach secretary-general rod rosenstein, and he said "for what." >> really telling answer. i think it highlights this eye et divide between republicans on the hill, between republicans like gowdy, who want the russia investigation to continue. yes, they're concerned acted some bice with a couple of f.b.i. agents, but overall they want to hold russia accountable for election interference, and then this trump allies on capitol hill, that are listening to the president, they see this as a witch-hunt. and they want it to go away. and so for instance, on friday, right when rod rosenstein was up announcing, you know, these 12 indictments of russians, just a few minutes before conservative mark meadows had a red folder in his hand on the t house floor that would basically impeach rosenstein. he's trying to get supported for, that and they want this investigation to go away, and so you're seeing different republicans clash. i think that gowdy is a bellwether for a lot of republicans, because he is very
close to the leadership, so i would listen to what he says in terms of whether or not this would go through. and it seems unlikely. >> brennan: ben, i'm going to pigeonhole you as representative of all republicans here. >> oh, god. i'm not. >> brennan: i know. but in your work and your represent. >> sure. >> brennan: picking up on what rachel is saying, this divide from within, in the efforts to muddy the water. >> i think there is a divide. i think the divide rachel is talking about is accurate. part of the issue here is kind of the change that's happened in the nature of these indictments. when we originally had these indictments come out in february, they were primarily targeted at social media activity, ads, fake news that russian activity was promoting here. now you're getting something that's more serious, which is actual activity on the part of russians to fish into dnc servers to, try to get e-mails out of the various people involved there. and the implication of these
latest indictments is that the next step for this mueller investigation is going to be looking at some of the issues that victoryar nuland was talking about earlier, concerns about the state level actions that could have targeted secretaries of stated. that i think needs to be the utmost concern at this point. we can relit gait what happened and how much it mattered, but what really happens going forward for the american people is the upcoming mid-term elections and what that looks like. republicans would be much wiser to be engaged on that point as opposed to fighting these kinds of internal wars. >> brennan: when it comes to the president's meeting with vladimir putin, he seems to be saying, this is in the past. now it's about my relationship with vladimir putin. why does he need to bring up this meddling? >> well, i think it's perfectly clear from what senator cornyn said, for example, republicans are saying, look, this is an attack on the united states that needs to be addressed as such. i think the reason to have a meeting is so that you can bring that sort of thing up.
i think one of the interesting things about the indictment was that it actually may have been beneficial for the president that it came up before the meeting, because this means that he has a reason to raise this with vladimir putin. i think it would have been much worse for the president if he had this meeting and said some conciliatory things about how i don't think the russians really did this and then the indictment came out later that. would have looked terrible. it would have looked as if he's sandz bagged. he has no recourse except the raise it and vladimir putin knows it will be raised. i think it wile fascinated as you suggested earlier, what's this going to be like at press conference tomorrow where they're standing sigh'd by side and this almost topic a on therist. i don't know how that's going to go. i don't think it's wad for the president that this is out there. >> jerry is right. he has to raise it. he raised it last year at the g-20. he said, he denied it. what can i do. he's already said that leading up to this. >> brennan: no perry mason moment. >> yeah, no
paragraph, the president trump used the words rigged, partisan, witch-hunt nine different times he used words like that in one paragraph. this does not seem like a president that's going there to hold putin accountable. if you look -- trump says i want to get in a room with these leaders even if they're geopolitical foes or rivals or enemy. kim jong-un had a real strong strategy of pressure, maximum pressure, you know, rallying world ally, rallying other countries. here he went to nato and had this disruptive moment, seemed to divide nato right before this meeting. it's very different. we don't know what his real agenda is with putin. >> i think it's interesting thae presidt tas abthis is of outrage about what the russians did. in the interview he says it's the democrats' fault because they didn't have adequate computer defenses up. and it happened on obama's watch. i think what people are looking for in many cases here is some statement of outrage from the
president of the united states, not about what happened to him, but what happened to the country. >> that is a stand-in for the fact that these indictment, even as significant as they are, are ultimately toothless. jeff glor obviously asked him about whether he would bring up the possibility of extraditing the individuals names. i'm sorry, but that seems very fanciful to me. we have no extradition relationship with russia, and essentially the rhetoric is a stand-in for doing something that actually matters. >> brennan: david, this complaint at nato about paying more for your own defense, that's something we've heard president after president after president. with president trump, what is it that americans should know is different here. why is it a problem when he says it the way he says it? >> well, look. the president has been very critical of the allies on trade and immigration, and now on this defense spending. what is interesting with trump, though, is that he tends to sort of escalate some sort of problem where a problem may exist, whether it's north korea's nuclear weapons, or this issue of collective defense spending
to, a higher level and then tries to sort of swoop in at the last minute and sort of make a deal or create some sort of pressure or take some action from that dramatic step and look like he solved some sort of problem. he seems to have employed this again here as he did with the singapore summit with kim jong-un where we don't know that he's made that much of a difference, but he says in the end, i am threatening to leave. i was threatening nato, and knew they're coming around. they're going to spend more, even though these nations did promise even before he took office to start spending more. >> brennan: rachel, if your memory is long enough and you can recall what happened on monday, we did get a supreme court nominee. >> yes, yes. >> brennan: you heard senator cornyn say he thinks he can flip three democrats. >> right. and actually one thing that is particularly isting, cornyn senatese,good luck getting out of this one." republicans actually are going to get a victory here, and not just because they're seeming
united behind their appointee, but also because democrats are not united on this. there are about half a dozen democrats from states that trump carried in the 2016 election that are on the ballot this fall and they see potentially the politics are better for them to ignore schumer and to potentially vote for this nominee. i think one person to watch for instance is joe manchin, who is from west virginia. it's a state that trump carried by 40 points. and earlier this week one of my colleagues callen with him in the hall and said to him, can schumer twist your arm to get you to vote against this nominee, and he said, "i'll be 71 years old in august. you're going to whip me," being human center kiss my you know what. it's going to be an issue for schumer. >> plus democrats may be better off letting these people vote and win the next election. e. brennan: well, we'll haveseut we're not out of news, but we'll
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