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our next newscast is tomorrow at 4:30. >> it's going to be raining. tune in. good night. >> why would a woman, a lawyer no less, one experienced many times over in the ways of washington risk placing classified information on an unprotected, nongovernment, noncapturable server? >> hillary clinton mishandling top-secret information. >> kind of crazy behavior to put this kind of stuff, classified intelligence, on your private, unsecured server. ( laughter )
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( laughter ) ( laughter ) ( laughter ) >> are pandas, in fact, sex-crazed killing machines? >> it's "the late show with tonight, pardons are for the birds. plus, stephen welcomes michael douglas and senator ben sasse featuring jon batiste and stay human. and now, live on tape from the ed sullivan theater in new york city, it's stephen colbert!
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>> stephen: hey, everybody! thank you very much! how delightful. how delightful. welcome to "the late show," everybody. i'm your host, stephen colbert. and i've got cranberry fever because it's almost thanksgiving. this afternoon, the president got in the mood at the annual turkey pardoning. every year, the american people get a choice between sparing two birds. this year they're named "peas" and "carrots." the turkeys disguised themselves as vegetables so trump would not be tempted to eat them. ( laughter ) now, to inform the voters of the choices, the white house published bios of each bird. for instance, peas' favorite music is brad paisley, and his favorite pastime is watching planes; while carrots' favorite music is elvis and turn-ons include floppy neck skin and gettinuf ( laughter ) ( applause ) we might have made one of those
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up. did we make that up? did we make any of those up? it's possible we made some of that up. ( laughter ) now, in the twitter poll, the results came in at 11:00 a.m. today: a dead heat at 50-50. even our turkey voting is hopelessly divided in america. peas and carrots were selected from a group of 50 birds who were trained from a young age to be comfortable with lights, crowds, and music. yes, they started so young. it's all chronicled in the series "turkeys and tiaras." ( laughter ) (as stage mom) "come on, honey, let them hear your gobble! get out there, okay! okay! listen, i just have to be honestest-- you're fat. you're fat." ( laughter ) so sad. this afternoon, the big moment arrived and trump began by introducing the turkeys. >> it has been stated that president abraham lincoln, honest abe, was the first president to grant such a pardon
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after his son tad befriended the christmas turkey and implored his father, "please, dad, please, save it." and in this grand tradition, i am pleased to announce that today's lucky bird and guest of honor is named peas, along with his alternate, named carrots. the children will understand that. >> stephen: "yes, because children are the only ones who eat vegetables, right? just wait, kids. once you're grown up, it's fried chicken and burgers four meals a day. don't forget to get your fiber with frequent diet cokes." trump explained how fortunate these birds were. >> thanksgiving is a time of great american traditions, and today we continue a very special one when a lucky turkey gets a presidential pardon. that turkey is so lucky. i've never seen such a beautiful turkey. >> stephen: (as trump)
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"yes, it's so beautiful, if it wasn't my dinner, perhaps i'd be dating it. right over there. oh, no grieve. so delicious." ( laughter ) ( applause ) but these turkeys' reprieve "the turkeys trump spared last thanksgiving are already dead." ( laughter ) a. oh, man.that boy is done. >> stephen: sad, they were put to rest according to their wishes -- in individually labeled tupperware. trump might want to pardon someone else, because we just learned that senior adviser to the president, ivanka trump, used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails about government business last year. ( booing ) this is really damaging... if anything mattered anymore. ( laughter ) ivanka's attorney released a statement saying, "ms. trump sometimes used her personal account, almost always for
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logistics and scheduling concerning her family." see? totally innocent. until you remember her family is the president. (as ivanka, typing) "jared, can you handle snacks for the soccer game this weekend? also, don't tell anyone my father got confused and tried to fight a mirror." ( laughter ) and today, the president also pardoned saudi arabia. see, the c.i.a. is preparing a report that is expected to tie the brutal murder of journalist jamal khashoggi to saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman, but the president got out in front of the c.i.a. today and released a statement on khashoggi's killing. it starts out with a calm, reassuring message: (as trump) "the world is a very dangerous place!" ( laughter ) it is now! apparently, you can kill a "washington post" journalist and the president don't give a damn, because trump's official
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presidential decision on who is resolute... "i dunno." he wrote, "our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event. maybe he did, and maybe he didn't!" did donald trump just knowingly provide cover for a murderous autocrat? maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) maybe he did. that's written-- someone wrote that down. someone actually typed that-- "maybe he did. maybe he didn't." that statement informs us in no way. a magic eight ball would have taken a firmer stance. ( laughter ) (as trump) "look, things are not knowable. we live in a quantum state of
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flux, where time matter coists as an inter-dimensional plasma in which all possible pasts and futures simultaneously manifest on the space-time continuum. and in that infinite multi-verse of non-congruent para-data, we must consider the possibility that i do weigh 239 pounds. in an infinite multi-verse." ( applause ) there is gobs of evidence that the prince was involved in this murder. one state department official said, "the idea that it goes all the way to the top is blindingly obvious." and i'm surprised trump can't see that. he is known for looking at things that are blinding. ( laughter ) and even though-- even though trump's statement calls the murder a horrible crime, he still managed to throw some slade on the victim saying: "representatives of saudi arabia say that jamal khashoggi is an
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enemy of the state." "sounds like a bad guy. i mean, not jim acosta bad, but still, pretty scary." ( laughter ) and in the face of this transparent-- nay, audiotaped-- human rights violation, the president reminded us that you can't put a price on human life. but he can. "the kingdom agreed to spend $450 billion in the united states. if we foolishly cancel these contracts, russia and china will be the enormous beneficiaries." "it's like the old story: first they came for the journalists, and i said nothing. next, they came with a bag of money, and i said thank you." ( laughter ) now, one criticism-- >> jon: give me the loot! give me the loot. >> stephen: that's how it goes? >> jon: yeah. >> stephen: yeah! ( laughter ) one criticism trump has
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received-- and there's really only been one-- is that he only been one-- is that he hasn't gone to active war zones to visit the troops. on sunday, chris wallace asked him about it. >> why haven't you visited our troops serving in war zones in iraq and afghanistan in the two years you've been in office as commander in chief? >> well, i think you will see that happen. there are things that are being planned. we don't want to talk about it because of-- obviously, because of security reasons, and everything else. but there are things that are planned. >> stephen: (as trump) "there are things that are planned, but i can't talk about them, because i don't know what they are. and when they try to explain them to me i get bored. and when i'm bored, i get angry. and when i'm angry, i get hungry. and when i'm hungry, everybody i look at begins to look like a giant roast chicken, and i don't want to eat the troops." ( laughter ) and had it comes to donald trump-- ( applause ) no cannibalism.
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no cannibalism. >> jon: no, man! >> stephen: the president-- he draws the line at cannibalism. but when it comes to donald trump, a former senior white house official says, "he's never been interested in going. he's afraid of those situations." (as trump) "i'm ready to visit the troops. oh! oh! these damn bone spurs! you know what they say? they flare up-- they flare up at the most inopportune times. you know what they say: war is heel!" ( laughter ) of course, not being visited by trump might be a blessing. you'll remember that when he went to california to survey the damage from the devastating wildfires that are plaguing that state, he called the fire-ravaged town of paradise the wrong name, and wrongly suggested they could rake their forests to prevent wildfires. (as trump) "hey, hey, east coast, don't
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forget the best way to ward off a hurricane is with a leaf lower, okay. point them at the storm or it's kind of on you." well, trump wasn't the only one to weigh in. so did interior secretary and man who makes you call him "tex" even though his name is ryan, ryan zinke. just after touring california, zinke said this: >> it's not time for finger- pointing. we know the problem. it's been years of neglect, and in many cases, it's been these radical environmentalists that want nature to take its course. you know what? this is on them. >> stephen: you just said it's not time for finger- pointing!or pointi it's all your fault." but hey, but hey-- ( ap but, hey, as long as we're pointing fingers, how about we point one at the guy who says
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"climate change has "nothing to do" with global warming, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary. and i know exactly which finger i'd like to point at ryan zinke. ( cheers and applause ) we've got a great show for you tonight. michael douglas is here! stick around. new theraflu powerpods. the cold and flu fighting machine. you put in your machine. press the button to brew up powerful relief. to defeat your toughest cold and flu symptoms fast. new theraflu powerpods. press. sip. relief. (woman) (parawh, you're having oh han ugly sweater party?ys! (dad) what? (woman) oh...no... (dad) uh, are you throwing a burnt cookie party?
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everybody. focs, this is pretty exciting for me and it will be for you, too. my first guest is a two-time oscar winner you know from just about everything. please welcome the one, the only, michael douglas. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ ♪ ( applause ) ( cheers and applause ) >> thank you. >> stephen: look at that. >> thank you very much. thank you! >> the one, the only, michael douglas. holy cow. how nice to have you on the show. >> what a treat. >> stephen: it's a treat for me. you're michael douglas. >> boy, you clean up good, huh. this place is beautiful. >> stephen: it's pretty, isn't
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it? >> the backstage is fantastic. >> stephen: did you get in the jazeusy? >> i missed that one. >> stephen: so nice, so nice. second guest. >> i've watched a lot of you back there, though. >> stephen: oh,. >> very good. >> stephen: thank you. i'll take that as a complement. >> no colbert, irish. >> stephen: i'll stiffen coal-bert. are you mike douglas? >> well, welcome back to cbs. >> cool. >> stephen: because you-- i know that you started your career here. >> i started my career, right. "cbs playhouse." >> stephen: we have a little clip here of you in the "cbs playhouse." now, now, sit down. sit down, mister. >> here we go. >> stephen: i take you back to 1969. the film is "hail hero." "the new york times" said, "not
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an especially memorable performance. but it's an energetic one. and without doug la'hail hero" would not even be tolerable. that's a compliment. >> that was my four-star review. >> stephen: you make things tolerable. that's how good you are. you're so good i love all your movies but i'm not sure if it is-- the movie i like or michael douglas. >> it played at radio city music hall. my friend went to see it and i said, "how was it in? and he said, "michael, all i can say is there were more people on stage than there were in the audience." the rockettes were there. >> stephen: we have a clip here. jim, let's treat the people. >> oh, yeah. >> long hair on boys is one of the things wrong with this country. >> you didn't come home last summer. >> i was in jail. ♪ ♪ you got a great>> dad. what would you say to my joining
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up? ( laughter ). >> what would happen if every soldier on both sides would just try to love instead of hate? ( cheers and applause ) >> thank you. >> stephen: it's a movie way conscience, with a conscience. >> and i-- in the film, i had-- i'm a hippie, then my father cuts my hair, you know, and all of that. in 1969, the-- they weren't good about doing wigs, long-haired wigs for guys. they fitted me for the wig, i got on, and i looked in the mirror, and i looked exactly like veronica lake. >> stephen: well, that character is a vietnam protester. did you do any vietnam protesting? >> i did. i did. i was in school, university of california, santa bain 1963-'68. >> stephen: was that a hot bed? >> well, it was not like berkeley. you know, we were the mocha version. but it was my first theater-- my first theater stuff.
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we used to do gorilla theater things. we would break into the class. i was running from somebody. somebody would shoot me, and i had a blood bag, and the scirlz were screaming. and said, "this is what is is going on right now in vietnam, every day our soldiers are being killed," and we would run out of there before the campus police came. >> stephen: never got in trouble or anything like that. >> no, no. >> stephen: but you knew you wanted to be an actor? >> not till-- not till my third year. i was a hippie. i was a hippie. >> stephen: really? >> yeah. in my third year of school they called me and said, "you have to declare a major. you're a junior in college. you're taking these junior-- you know, all these general education courses." i was like, "i don't know, man. i don't know. i'll think of something. let's do theater arts, man. my dad is an actor. ." my mom was an actress, and i thought it would be easy. i started off that way. it was painful. it was ugly. it was not good. >> stephen: what did you dad
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thing?>> hehought i was terribl. he thought i was just terrible -- >> stephen: did he say you were terrible? >> yes. he did everything-- he did eeferg. >> stephen: kirk douglas looked at you and said, "you're terrible." >> he was right. i was, i was. he did everything, because he knew it would be hard to follow in his footsteps. as it is-- well, you would know, you have been working nonstop. but you were a writer. our union's running 90% unemployed. >> stephen: sure, sure, sure. you're really rolling the bones if you decide to be an actor. >> you really are. i think he was reluctantly doing that. he came to all my early shows, and they were really bad. and eventually i got better. i was a grinder. >> stephen: and then you landed "hail hero." >> exactly. >> stephen: well, now, finally, this is just recently, right, this is just recently. >> this is recently, yeah. >> stephen: after 50 years in the business, you finally got your star on the hollywood walk of fame right there. okay. ( applause ) your lovely way kathryn zeta-jones. your son, cameron, and kirk
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douglas right there. half the reason for doing it was to stand up there and look at my father who is going to be 102 in december. ( applause ) you know, i'm looking-- he's looking up at me. and he's looking at me, and he said, "i don't have any son who has been in this business for 50 years. it's not possible." >> stephen: wow, 102. i think he could still take me in a fight. >> well, i won't go there, stephen. >> stephen: neither will i. neither will i. do you have a most memorable award ceremony? because this is a big award. but you've won oscars. you've won golden globes. you've won emmys. is there a night that's special? >> you're not referring to my mobile man of the month award. my first award -- >> stephen: i did hear about at"mofthas." >> mobile man of the month just was-- the guys would go around the mobile gas stations and check out the attendant, and i won the award because-- ( laughter ) no, wait a minute.
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wait a minute. >> stephen: you worked at a mobile station. >> most of you out there are too young to know at one time you went and got your garks the attendant would come up and he would check your oil, he would check your water, he would check your tire pressure, he would wash your windows, and everything like that. that's all you had to do. and i was fortunate enough to win that. that was my first award. >> stephen: wow. ( applause ) i thought-- i said you won a golden globe one night, and george harrison tried-- got you to come up. >> it wasn't the night-- you won your first-- your first emmy. >> stephen: that i have here. i ran into you at the table where you go get your thing engraved. and you were very yours engraved for "behind the candelabra," and i was having my engraved for "the colbert report." and i was like, "yeah, me and michael douglas." that was a big night. >> you're talking about the night i got the golden globe for "wall street," and on my way out
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to the globe, the hotel, i saw george harrison. i stopped said, "how are you? congratulations. nice to meet you." did you know each other? >> no, but george harrison. >> stephen: sure. >> i went to get the award and took my mom to the event and i won. by the time you get through the press lineeb has gone home. i take my mother home, feel a little sorry for myself. i go back to the hotel. about midnight my phone rings. michael, it's george. george harrison. hi, george. "me and my mate are outside. we want to come by and say hi." i said, "sure, co by." i open the door, there's george harrison with bob dylan. and, and, thestiff pony-- i dont the hell this thing is. he sits down. i tell him, "let's order some caviar. order a lot. come on, i won big. a big thing of caviar. of." bob dylan hasn't said a word. he's just sitting there. george and i are are talking.
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the dog it walking between us. he looks over the top of the dog. expinl fee, the caviar-- and finally the dog goes ( sniffing ( and she starts-- 150 bucks a lick. he's going-- you know, he's going like this. and i'm going-- "well, it's bob dylan's dog, man." bob dylan is looking-- finally, he wakes up a little bit and looks over and goes, "far out, he likes caviar." ( laughter ). >> stephen: we've got to take a little bit of a break. stick around. we'll be right back with more of michael douglas. ♪
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mr. michael douglas. did you win an oscar for can the "cuckoo's nest?"
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yes. >> stephen: what year was that? >> stephen: 1975. >> stephen: you weren't a famous actor at this time, were you? >> no. i was on the television show "streets of san francisco." >> stephen: a quinn-martin production. >> exactly. and i left the show in the final year. people thought i was nuts, to produce "cuckoo's net." it was the fifth year, i left the show. got permission from karl malden to leave the show. and "cuckoo's nest" got the oscar. and and as an actor i can't get arrested in movies. because at that time, television acting and movie acting was completely separate. there were only two television act organize steve mcqueen and clint eastwoo earlier than me made that transition but you couldn't do it. >> stephen: why couldn't you do it? >> television, they see you for free. television is for free. for movies they pay to see you.
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this is why the whole streaming area has become so important. in any event, i was producing movies, the studio would not allow me to act in, i did not have the blessing. for instance i did a picture called "star man." >> stephen: sure. >> jeff bridges played it. i would have liked to have played that part. ( laughter ) i was producing it. >> stephen: wow, wow. >> yeah. >> stephen: danny devito is an old friend of yours, right? >> he's an old friend of mine. >> stephen: he, of course, was in "cuckoo's nest." >> we were roommates together back in 67-68. and i introduced him to the director-- he was doing martini, the character off broadway. >> stephen: so he got to be in the movie and you couldn't be in the movie? >> well, no, by that time "cuckoo's nest"-- billy bibet, jack nicholson was fantastic. my father wanted to play the part. there was no part there for me. >> stephen: and you said no to your dad? ( laughter ) you just said your father wanted to plate part-- >> you're looking for trouble,
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aren't you? >> stephen: a little bit kirk and i are coming for you. >> i can see that. i can see that. that was a little bone of contention. i totally understand it. it was a project my father had been involved in for a while. one of the great parts there were and by the time we got around to doing it he was a little older and times were changed. and all of a sudden he blamed me when it's the director's decision. don't you-- you decide who you have on your show, don't you, as guests? >> stephen: i find out who it is when i say their name on the little thing right there. i had no idea it was you until seconds okay, actually. >> you're a great actor. >> stephen: thank you very much. can't get arrested in movies, though. has your father ever turned to you and said, "i am spartacus?" ( laughter ) >> every day! every day! >> stephen: that's great, that's great. well, now you have-- now, speaking of streaming, now
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you've got the new netflix show "the kominsky method." you're playing an actor. >> acting-- acting teacher. >> stephen: you're the acting teacher. >> coach. well, i am an actor, but i have a very bad career, so i'm an acting teacher. but this streaming stuff is great-- well you were on table before you had to do this gig. >> stephen: before i had to slum over on cbs. i was in basic cable where the art it. >> fantastic, you know. chuck lorre wrote it. has a great patina. and my kids and i kind of grew up-- the kids grew up watching "big bang theory" and a lot of his other shows he wrote it. great job. it's a half hour of comedy. it can be 25 minutes long, 40 minutes long, any length-- what are you laughing about? >> stephen: i'm enjoying talking to you. i'm enjoik tajing to michael douglas that's all. >> i wanted to make sure. >> stephen: i'm laughing with you. >> you're laughing with me. >> stephen: honest to god, i'm just enjoying it.
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>> cable you can have 40 minutes long, say anything you want. we did eight of them. alan arkin is my costar. >> stephen: we have a clip here. who are you talking to-- do you know? >> i think it's the actress nancy travis who plays one of my acting students who i'm sort of having a little on, and we've been dancing around. and & now i've decide maybe-- maybe we-- maybe we should go for it. >> stephen: okay, jim. >> wow. you have got some big, brass balls. >> in a good way. >> no. no. you're not here because you're crazy about me. you're here because you don't want to walk the green mile all by yourself. >> the green mile? >> yeah, you know, tom hanks, the big guy with the mouse-- you know what i mean. >> hang on. i did say we were good together. >> oh, hot. >> and you and i both know being crazy about someone doesn't laugh. your brain tricks you into not get a pre-nup, twice. >> ouch. >> i mean, are you crazy about me? >> you amuse me.
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>> i'll take it. ( laughter ) ( applause ). >> stephen: take it where you can get it. mr. douglas, it was a pleasure to see you. >> stephen, so nice to be with you. thank you very much for having me. thank you guys for being such a nice audience. >> stephen: "the kominsky method" is available now on netflix.a we'll be right back with ben netflix.a we'll be right back with ben sasse. sing nicorette. only nicorette gum has patented dual-coated technology for great taste. plus intense craving relief. every great why, needs a great how.
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welcome back to "the late show" already in progress. folks, my next guest is the junior senator from the great state of nebraska. please welcome senator ben sasse! ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> stephen: thanks for being here. >> good to be mere. my kids want to know who canceled. >> stephen: nobody. you did!caeled on me weeks ago because you had to vote or something like that. >> yeah, it seems like paying the bills is part of the job. >> stephen: i suppose so. i suppose so. well you've got a new book here called "them: why we hate each other-- and how to he'll." before we get to the heeling, let's talk about some of the
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reasons yes people might be divided in this nation. let's talk about the news in the last 24 hours. ivanka trump, it has been discovered, was using her private email server and her personal email for government business. in 2016 you called hillary's emails a serious matters that deserves our serious attention. same here? >> so, secretary clinton was using classified information on a private server that she denied having. i don't know what kind of email -- >> stephen: she also originally denied there was classified information on there. >> that wasn't true. so if ivanka trump has classified information on a private server, it's a big deal. i don't know any of the details. >> stephen: how would we find out-- how would we find out if she did that? >> we should know all we should know. >> stephen: congressional investigation? seriously, right? >> i don't know the particulars of this story -- >> stephen: and how would you find out the particulars of the story, perhaps with a congressional investigation? >> they're supposed to check and balance one another. >> stephen: how has that been going the last two years, the check and balance thing over
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there? because it sounds like a lot of check. i think we lost the balance somewhere along the line. yeah. >> the congress doesn't work well. ( applause ). >> stephen: it doesn't? here's the thing-- that's something it's congress doesn't seem to be working well. how long have you actually been in the senate now? >> almost four years. >> stephen: what do you think the problem is? why doesn't the congress function the way i think the founders intended? >> so i think in 230 years of u.s. history the congress is probably at its second weakest moment. the founders didn't have a vision of the world where people wanted to be in politics, move to d.c., and stay therer. you'll supposed to think the place where you're from is the most interesting place in the world. ( applause ) and we use the term historically "public service" because you go to washington to serve for a time and you're supposed to go back home. right now, most people in washington their biggest long-term thought is about their incumbency. they don't want to leave that place. they don't want to do the hard stuff. there's not a lot of checking and balancing, there's parliamentary instinct to defer to the people in your own party
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and the founders would be confused by that. >> stephen: now that the democrats have taken over the house of representativeses -- by the way, would you call it a blue wave? >> i think 39 seats is a pretty wave-like event. ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: that's-- it's wavish. it's wavish. >> you look at-- you look at what the people are saying. going back now, what, 13 years? i think eight of the last 10 elections -- don't check my math-- but going back to 2006, the congress basically turns over every single midterm now. what does that mean? it means we're going through a period of massive disruption and people aren't comfortable with anybody in washington having a long-term leadership plan. the people are right. >> stephen: well, the democrats are saying the most important thing they're going to do is more oversight. basically, more balance to the more-- more check and balance. what do you think is most in need of oversight? >> holy smokes. do i get --
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>> stephen: it's a family show. please. i know you guy guys are pot you mouthed in nebraska, but please. >> you need to come visit. >> stephen: i have visited nebraska. i had a girlfriend from nebraska. and i had-- >> what was her name? >> stephen: her name is immaterial. ( laughter ). >> why did her parents hate her? that's a weird name. >> stephen: i have driven to lincoln at thanksgiving. which is a lonely drive. it's flat, all the corn has been harvested. i'll tell you what i learned about nebraska, the unicamera legislature, the only in the united states. as a result, the state house there is a tower, which is called...? >> the unicamera. >> stephen: that's not what i hearit was called?ep teph'slledt hpplse )te plains." gi me a shot right here, a close-up shot right here.
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because when you're driving towards lincoln, nebraska, it's as flat as this desk, and this is what you see driving over the horizon, the state house like this, and then the town comes up around it. honest to god. you know that's true. you know that's what it looks like when you're driving to lincoln. >> that's not what we call it. >> stephen: you should! what do you call it? >> that building next to the nebraska football stadium. >> stephen: that's true, that's true. >> it's we'relet winningest team. >> stephen: i went to northwestern. you have to know about football if guto northwestern. are we doing okay this year? >> you beat us in overtime. we're still bit gler we beat you! i knew that! i knew that! i'm sor sorry. i'm so sorry northwestern dominated. >> it was overtime. >> stephen: any time, baby. eat the purple. taste some grape. do we have to take a break here.
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( applause ). >> stephen: hey, everybody, here we're with ben sasse, junior senator from nebraska. he has a new book called them: why we hate each other and how to heel." let's get to the healing in just one moment. i wanted to ask you about matthew whitaker who has been appointed as the acting attorney general of the united states. do you think that a guy who hasn't been approved by the snait can hold that job? >> i think the president should have made a different choice, but there are two conflicting parts of law. there's-- are we going to go full legal nerd here. there's a 1998 law called "the vacancy reform act." it hasn't been fully litigated about what the president can do in the case when a so-called principal officer has a position that's vacate pd how do you fill that? i think the best thing is for the president to only put people into principal officers of the u.s. government roles who have been confirmed by the senate. ( applause ). >> stephen: now, as a senator
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who should have the right-- as a senator, who should have the right to vote on this, would you join with the democrats to say the president has to bring a candidate up to the senate for approval? >> i think the-- a lot of us have been leaning on the president to say nominate somebody quickly so we can vote. >> stephen: would you bring suit like the democrat democrat? >> i don't know that bringing the third branch into it would solve it as quickly as the president nominating someone for the job. >> stephen: so you're counting on the president to do the right thing. ( laughter ). >> i get the joke. ( laughter ) >> stephen: now, the book is-- the book is "them: why we hate" i will start by saying while you and i may have political differences i don't hate you. i don't hate the president. i don't trust the president. who is "them" in this case and how do we heal? >> i think we're going through a digital revolution. i think it's much bigger than any short-term political thing. >> stephen: i have heard a lot
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about these computers. they're very good things. >> donald trump didn't create this. he can't fix this. we're decades into a digital revolution that will take decades to fix-- finish. i think it's on the order of the industrial revolution. we're lonely. it's an undermining place. we have shorter duration jobs. we have less relationship with extended family. there's been a halving of friendship in america the last 27 years. local worshiping communities are thinner than ever before. i think we're living througha time where local community is being undermined. and yet everything we know about happiness is driven by rootedness, and technology is screaming you can be rootless. and we haven't figured out habits for rootlessness. >> stephen: what is your community? >> i live in freemont, nebraska, a 25,000 manufacturing town. melace and i met in college, married later, moved around the country, paid taxes in 10 states the first 12 years we were married. and eventually said said our our
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kids are never going to know their names, never going to know their extended family. we moved back home and i think a huge part of what we're going through in our time is this undermining of place. and on top of, that as you sort of reverse the pyramid of attachments humans have, people are substituting political communities for actual embodied local neighborhoods. and i don't think it's going to work. like you said, you and i probably differ on lots of policy issues. if you lived two doors down from me-- i would mock you about northwestern and football fandom -- >> stephen: and i would pit you you for losing to us. >> i probably walked into that. it turns out you're happy nert world if you know the people who live two doors away from you. you're not happier if you go from hive00 to 1,000 social media friends. and we have people substituting digital communities for actual communities and i don't think it's going to work. one of the things you see downstream from the cultural revolution is a politics that doesn't make any sense. we have a business model around
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a lot of ways we consume news that says if i have a different policy preference than you i'm posed to hate you. that only works because people are lonely enough to invest too much in politic s. >> stephen: well, i do not hate you. >> thank you. >> stephen: and welcome to our community. >> thanks. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: the book is "them." "them"
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