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occurred overnight in dayton, ohio, nine are dead plus the gunman, shooting took place in a popular dayton entertainment district, people were patrolling as usual and neutralized the shoot never less than one minute. dayton mayor than whaling. >> clearly the question has to be raised why does dayton have to be the 250th mass shooting in america. >> garrett: we will get the latest from democratic chairman brown, beto o'rourke canceled his campaign events to head home to el paso. >> i am incredibly saddened, it is very hard to think about this. >> garrett: we will talk to him and republican congressman will hurd whose congressional district is near el paso. president trump called the shooting an act of cowardice. >> the president stepped up his attack honesties. >> the homicide rate in baltimore is significantly higher than el salvador,
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honduras, guatemala. >> garrett: we will hear from south carolina republican tim scott about what can be done to help these communities. to as always, we will bring you analysis on all of the news of the week coming up on "face the nation". >> garrett: welcome to "face the nation". margaret is off today. it is a grim sunday morning as we woke up to the news of yet another mass shooting in this country. this one in dayton, ohio. dean reynoldss will join us in a moment for more on that but begin in el paso, cbs news correspondent janet shamlian. >> good morning, major it is an active 0 crime scene at this wal-mart today which has become the deadliest mass shooting in america since massacre at texas church in 2017. investigators are now looking at motive and whether this was a hate crime. a chilling image that police say is the gunman on surveillance camera walking into a wal-mart
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carrying an ak-47 style assault rifle and wearing noise muffling headphones. and then this. >> cellphone video captures the rapid fire shots as a man hides under a table. others record the heart stopping chaos. >> ak. >> police say the wal-mart was at capacity, packed with families, shopping for back to school. >> everyone that carries a badge in this town pretty much showed up to that particular scene. >> police say the gunman surrendered to police, 21-year-old patrick crusius is from the dallas area, a nine hour drive away. >> the store is just miles from the border and attracts shoppers from mexico. detectives found what is described as an anti-immigrant manifesto posted online but have not confirmed it was authored by the gunman. >> this is disgusting, intolerable. it is not texas, and we are going to aggressively prosecute
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both as capital murder and a hate crime which is exactly what it appears to be without having seen all of the evidence yet. >> more than two dozen hurt, many of them in critical condition. >> i have been here 22 years. this is by far the biggest shooting event that i have been involved in. >> and urgently for blood donations delivered hundreds of volunteers waiting in long lines in triple digit heat. >> a heartbroken community desperate to help. >> the injured are several el paso hospitals today. we are told that a number of them are in critical condition and children are among those badly injured. major. >> garrett: janet shamlian, thank you. we go now to dean reynolds at the cincinnati airport on the way to dayton, ohio, dean what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, major, this all began about 1:00 o'clock this morning in what is called the oregon district of dayton, it is sort of a trendy, nightlife area popular with young people, and it was full of
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young people and tourists and so forth at that time when a gunman, a lone gun than we are told approached the carrying a big weapon and multiple high capacity magazines. he opened fire killing nine people before the police could subdue him and kill him. at least 26 people have been wounded in the attack we are told and the mayor than whaley of dayton said the situation could have been much worse .. let's listen so what she said. >> in less than one minute, in less than one minute, dayton first responders neutralized the shooter. while this is a terribly sad day for our city, i amazed by the quick response of dayton police that saved literally hundreds of lives. >> now it is important to remember that dayton, the city, is recovering from a series of
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tornadoes that struck here in memorial day over the memorial day weekend and destroyed hundreds of properties. so this has been a very, very trying time for the city of dayton and this just makes matters even worse. major. >> garrett: dean reynolds, thank you. we turn now to ohio democratic senator brown who is in cleveland but will soon make his way to dayton. good morning. i want to ask you -- >> thank you. >> garrett: the authorities will tell us more about what happened over 0 night in dayton but i want to ask you, do you believe this is a moment in american history that we are at or should be at a turning point on this question of mass shootings and what to do about them? >> of course it is. i spoke to the mayor, to mayor whaling, the mayor of in great ohio city of dayton this morning and said she had gotten text messages and e-mails and calls from she said dozens and dozens of fellow mayors all around the
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country all of whom have gone through this and we wake up to grief and sadness about these victims and these families but pretty quickly turns to anger that our government hasn't done anything and i -- mitch mcconnell should bring us back into session on monday, the house of representatives passed a background check. we can fly back into washington on monday morning. we can pass the background check bill and people could fly back and be home for dinner and the president needs to sign this bill. we know what it can do. we know that background checks work. we know that a ban on assault weapons worked, it was bipartisan and expired and we haven't renewed it. those are the first two things we should do and in that sense it can finally put the country on the right path with gun violence. >> some of your republican colleague this is morning lindsey grahamness in the senate from south carolina, fred upton, republican from michigan michige house have said they are now in
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favor of so-called red flag laws that states use to briefly detain someone who they believe or reasonably believe with due process applied are a threat to the community, are red flag laws as part of this equation? >> i wouldn't start with that. i mean, of course, of course people who have stood with the nra in their careers will start to deflect into something else, but we know that background checks work. we know that the ban on assault weapons worked. we saw president bush support that and think about this. i mean, we have had -- look at president obama's response to sandy hook in charlestown, look at presiden president bush's ree after 9/11, where he went to a mosque and he said -- didn't attack the united states, terrorists attacked the united states and members of congress need to go back to work in the senate and go back to work tomorrow, gas assault weapon ban
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that the house has passed get do it the president's desk, make sure the president signs it, then we figure other things out, that that is where we start tomorrow and do it quickly and show the country, show the country, for gosh sakes that the people representing them in washington don't always kowtow to the gun lobby. >> garrett: senator i know that is your point of view, that's what you are advocating for. you have a cellphone like everyone else in america. are you getting any traffic on your cellphone from the democratic leadership or anyone else in washington suggesting to you what you just said is in fact likely to occur? >> i am not hearing from any -f my colleagues yet. i called the mayor in morning. i told you the mayor of dayton. you know, i don't know, i don't know if the gun lobby -- the gun lobby seeps awfully strong. i mean i have had a life time -- from the nra in a state that elect as lot of people that support the nra and that the nra supports but i know you can win
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elections and can stand up against the gun lobby and win elections. but that aside, when is mitch mcconnell and the republican leadership in the senate going to actually bring this to a vote? the house of representatives passed bipartisanly it is a bipartisan bill in the house. whether 7 the senate actually going to do it? and tomorrow is a perfect day. i know senate adjourned for august a couple of days ago but bring us back, have us do our job, put this on the floor. we know it works. we know it is -- and may only be a first step but we know it works and there is simply no reason that mitch mcconnell won't do that. >> garrett: briefly, senator you know some on the pro gun rights side of this ledger would say, those things you outlined wouldn't stop every one of these and wouldn't stop maybe even most of them. your response? >> well, they are not going to stop every one of those. nobody ever contended they will but again, i say that backgroud checks works. we know that. and the assault on the ban on
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assault weapons. this young man that killed nine people before the police killed him and injured, i believe more than two dozen did that in the space, the mayor told me did that in the space of fewer than 30 seconds. it says the police in dayton are terrific, that they responded that quick, and saved, three things, the police were terrific, that saved, second, that saved hundreds of lives, and third, he had enough ammunition to kill potentially 100 or 200 people and that why you ban the assault weapon and it worked when we banned it before. it didn't stop every mass shooting and stop every murder but a lot of people are alive today because we had background checks in some places. a lot of people are alive today because we had an assault ban for i believe ten years in the united states of america. >> garrett: senator brown, democrat, thank you. form her democratic congressman and 2020 presidential candidate
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beto o'rourke joins us from el paso. beto, briefly, you have been there a short while, what have you learned and how long will you stay in el paso? >> >> i just came home yesterday and got to spend time with some of the victims and their families at university medical center, not too far from where we are at the scene of the shooting, right now extraordinarily courageous people and just an amazing strong community that is coming together in the face of this tragedy. so very proud of el paso at this moment. though deeply saddened and heartbroken by what has taken place in this community. i am going to stay here through the course of the day and continue to visit with families, be at a vigil here tonight and do everything i can to ensure that el paso comes back as strong as possible but also to ensure that we do everything
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that we can to guarantee that this does not happen again going forward and it has to go well beyond thoughts and prayers and even beyond a sensible gun legislation like universal background checks likening the sales of weapons of war. this is really about hatred and racism and intolerance that continues to grow in this country, hate crimes on the rise for each of the last three years, division being sewn by this president, hatred welcomed during his administration all of us must stand up against this and for a much better and much safer country. >> garrett: ar are you saying president trump is indirectly responsible for this? >> i am saying that president trump has a lot to do with what happens in el paso yesterday. anybody who begins their campaign for the presidency by calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, anyone who as president describes asylum seekers at the u.s.-mexico border as
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infestation or innovation or invasion or animals, anyone who describes those who do not match the majority of this country is somehow inherently dangerous or defectivdefective sew sews the f fear and reaction we saw in el paso yesterday so the answer major is yes but it is also something that is much larger than this president and persisted here before his administration, it is up to all of us to put an end to this racism and make sure that we don't just tolerate our differences but as we have shown here in el paso we embraced them it is a very source of our strength and our success and yes also our safety and our security. >> garrett: you are no longer in congress but you have a voice. should congress come back to washington and cancel the august recess to deal with this issue? >> absolutely. you know, we are grieving here in el paso but our hearts are also with the people of dayton, ohio, gilroy, in california, all
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across this country, in mass shootings like those that we saw here in el paso and the shootings that have become so numbingly common they don't even make the newscasts or the headlines of th the daily paper happening one or two at a time, the fact that we will lose nearly 40,000 of our fellow memories this, fellow americans this year and every year until we change course demands an urgency that is absolutely lacking from congress so let's follow the lead of those students who are marching for our lives, it is, let's follow the lead of the moms 0 that demand action and goll the lead of those families here in el paso who i have been listening to who demand the kind of change that we need. congress should come back in session, pass legislation, the president should sign it into law but then we must also acknowledge that it has to go beyond that, the kind of hatred and open racism we are seeing in this country is having not just a i don't receive result, or roreceive result but a deadly consequence and we saw that full
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display in el paso yesterday. >> garrett: george p bush the land commissioner texas wrote on twitter there have now been minute attacks from self declared white terrorists here in the united states in the last several months in is a real and present threat. your reaction? >> he is absolutely right, but he has to take the next step and describe why that threat exists in this country. president trump who called white nationalists and clans men and neonazis very fine people after charlottesville and described the countries of africa as (bleep) hole nations and says he wants more immigration from nordic countries the whitest places on the planet, the president not only tolerates but invites kind of racism and hatred that not only offends us but changes who we are as a country and produces the kind of violence that we saw in el paso. >> garrett: former congressman beto o'rourke, thank you. we will be back in a minute. we will be back in a minute. >>
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we turn now to texas republican congressman will hurd who announced this week he would not run for reelection in 2020. he is the eighth house republican this year to announce they are leaving elected office. he joins us this morning from san antonio. congress 0 man hurd, good morning. i know you noel pass well, your district is right adjoining to it. i think you have some familiarity with this wal-mart where this massacre occurred. a couple of questions. what have you heard from there? are you going to el paso to join the vigil tonight and catch up with your former member of congress road trip mate beto o'rourke? >> well, first off, thanks for your coverage of this tragedy and for any of your folks watching this broadcast, if you live in texas, if you live in ohio, if you live in new mexico, go donate blood. i mean, you can get on the red cross website to figure out how to do this. these community need blood, they are going need it for the next couple of days and the next couple of weeks. and also, if you see somebody on
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social media of someone talking about doing a heinous crime like this, take a screen shot of it and share it with local law enforcement or the fbi's website. we can all be vigilant to seeing this kind of hate and this kind of rhetoric and make sure law enforcement has the tools they need or the information in order to do something about it. but el paso is a resilient community, you have a number of families that are still praying and worried because their loved one is not out of the proverbial woods yet that are still in critical condition, you know, the youngest person that is injured was two years old, the baby's mother was killed when she was only 25 years old, you know, you have people that are in their eighties that are going through, still in hospitals as well. and so this is a trying time not just for el paso but the rest of the country. >> garrett: is this national
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moment where the federal legislature should be involved? do you expect anything to happen over the august recess or expect just five weeks of silence from washington? >> well, the house of representatives have passed a background piece of legislation. i was actually one of eight republicans that joined in that. we should be preventing from putting guns in the hands of people that shouldn't have them. that is pretty straightforward and simple. but there are other things that we should be looking at as well, why does a young man from the suburbs think this is the way that he shoul should do somethi? that is a trend that we have seen so many times. i have learned in working with local law enforcement, federal law enforcement over the last couple of days on this issue that federal law enforcement is prevented from searching social media websites, the public facing stuff about particular threats. that is something that you don't need legislation to fix. when you look at the sequence of
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this attack in el paso and the eventually in ohio, is there information sharing that could be improved between the federal government and local law enforcement? does private security in these facilities have the training to do a suspicious activity report? and if they are doing suspicious activity reports, where does that information go? how are these folks ultimately going to get radicalized? the fbi is going to do their review, law enforcement is going to do their review. this is an act of terrorism. terrorism is an act where you use violence against civilians for a political end and initial indications suggest that this is based on race and hatred, which would be white nationalist terrorism. why are people being radicalized? you can go back -- this shooter is in custody. we are going to be able to learn a lot from him. there was -- the shooting in
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charlestown a number of years ago, that .. that killer learned he was doing web searches entree von mar tip and went down the rabbit hold of white nationalism and self radicalized these are some of the issues we will have to review and, yes, congress has a role .. so does civil society, so does the media, this is an opportunity for us to folk focus on what unites us and not what divides snriews congressman what role does president trump play in this? you heard your former colleague beto o'rourke say he invites and tolerates racism. >> i think divisive rhetoric is not the way to go. i think he denounced these attacks and has an opportunity to be the unite never chief and i hope that's the way to go but we can't just focus on just one person or just one entity. this is a problem that has many sources and we need to be talking about all of those sources in ways that every element of society can work on
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on dealing with this challenge. >> garrett: you are land commission fore george p bush called this white terrorism and says it presents a real and ongoing threat in this country. do you agree? >> i agree, and i would leave the analysis of this current activity and this current shooting in el paso to the fbi. i know they are evaluating it and believing it is possibly a hate crime and fueled by this. initial indications of this manifesto that the shooter -- shooter wrote suggests that and if it is -- and if that is indeed confirmed then, yes, this is white nationalism terrorism and this is something that we are seeing and again i mentioned charlestown as a perfect example. think we don't know enough about what happened in ohio to suggest that that may be something similar but i know local law enforcement, federal law enforcement is going to be turning over every rock and pursuing every lead, but again i
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think the thing that i have learned in my time representing a very can i verse district, 71 percent latino, a 50-50 district is that way more unites us than divides huh-uhs and focus on those things that unite us we will be better off. >> garrett: congressman we want to continue this conversation, that's why we are not going to let you go. please stay right there and we need to take a quick break and be right back with congressman will hurd. >>
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>> garrett: please be sure to listen to my podcast. it is called the takeout, available on all podcast platforms and our digital streaming news service known as cbsn, new episodes premiere every friday morning. stay with us and have more of our conversation with republican our conversation with republican congress 0 man will hurd and conversation with south carolina senator tim scott. >>
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>> garrett: we will be right back a lot more of "face the nation", including our continuing conversation with republican 0 will hurd and senator tim scott from south carolina. stay with us. >> [ dogs barking ]
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family, worked in the private sector and wants to continue to serve. >> garrett: congressman, you know -- you know the way to do that is to stay to raise money to campaign alongside and say, he is joining me, not i am leaving and he needs to replace me. >> well, what i find interesting and a lot of people asked me that question is that everybody thinks the end all or be all is actually being in congress. the party is defined by the people that are in it, not necessarily the politicians. and so this gives me the freedom and flexibility to operate in other parts of the country, i am also going to stay involved in that nexus of technology and law enforcement. you can do that outside of the halls of congress. when you look at issues like artificial intelligence, and artificial intelligence is important because whoever masters it is going to rule the world. and the most interesting things that are happening in that area is outside of the federal government. so i am looking forward to continuing to serve my country
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and i left a job as an undercover officer in the cia, a job i loved, i got to be the guy in the back alleys at 4:00 o'clock in the morning collecting intelligence on threats to our homeland. i left that job in order to help the national security community in a different way by bringing my skills to congress, and i am going to leave the halls of congress to hen our country in a different way as well. >> garrett: before cash. >> i am excited about the next couple of months because we still have a lot of work to do in congress but a i am it is looking forward to building a republican party of the future. >> garrett: before i left you go, john ratcliffe a colleague of yours for a very brief period of time suggested by the president to be the new leader of the director of national intelligence. he is now pulled out. how concerned were you about that potential nomination it set and how concerned are you about the general state of the intelligence community without a leader and with the president of the white house appearing un, indecisive about how to replace outgoing dni dan coats? >> well, john ratcliffe is my friend. john ratcliffe is someone that i
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have been able to talk to in our time on the house -- committee on intelligence, his ability to digest vast apts of information, which is a skill set that is needed within the dni and i am sorry that this thing turned out the way it did. i think sue gordon as an acting director of national intelligence is an excellent choice on, i have had the opportunity to work with her in the different roles she has played in national security. but this position of director of national intelligence has a lot of challenges. the existential threat that china is playing to us and dealing with disinformation and how the russians were with trying to influence our elections and of course continuing to deal with terrorism overseas and abroad. >> garrett: congressman thank you very much and thank you for staying for is extra segment i, way tonight let the audience known law enforcement tells us the dayton shooter has been identified as connor betts
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24-year-old from bell brook, ohio, police are searching his home presently. >> thank you for being with us congressman will hurd, as i said we will be right back with senator tim scott from south carolina. >> with renters insurance? i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too. antonio! fetch computer!
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deeply touched in a community that has suffered a mass shooting. describe for my audience or our audience what el paso and dayton are about to go through. >> well, what a challenging time our prayers and our thoughts are certainly with both communities in south carolina here and charlestown my hometown, at the mother of mary church sat through a bible study for more than an hour and then executed anybody members. nine members. clemen at a, the pastor, my uncle had attended that church for over 50 years, so i am intimately aware of the challenges and the sense of disillusionment that comes in the aftermath the good news in our community our community came together through prayer. a lot of folks say prayers don't matter. i will disagree with them vehemently. because of prayer, the family members forgave the shooter and brought unity into our state in a way that we have not seen in the history of the state, frankly that civil war started in charlestown and to have a white racist walk into the door
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of a black church to start according to his 0 objective a race riot, to have the actual opposite occur because of the power of faith in that church church and in our community was a fantastic, phenomenal, walking out of that situation what we started doing was meeting and talking and finding out where the differences were so we could challenge ourselves to overcome those differences and we did something that i thought was incredibly important we said to each other when you hear someone who looks like you, say something that is out of line or inconsistent or insensitive make it your responsibility to respond to that individual within your own community. that really did resonate here at home and it was very powerful and very helpful because when we are looking for ways to address the challenges that our nation is seeing all over the place one of the things that we do, we must take individual responsibility and speak up when we hear something, silence in
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and of itself is a part of the challenge so we must speak up when we see things that are out of place and we hear things that are inconsistent with -- that is in the best interests of our nation and our community. >> garrett: senator scott, on that topic you mentioned silence and that is not acceptable. i want to read to you a quote from a book that just was published by tim alberta called american carnage and relates to a conversation you had with president trump. i want to quote from it directly. i know what fear looks like. i think fear typically cops with anger and hostility, you are afraid you are losing the something, you won't have something you used to have. i think people who march with torches who want to resurrect a thankfully dead part of who we are we were, these are people who are afraid, trump took all of this in, rarely interrupting, what can i do to be helpful he finally asked? what would you say to president trump this morning about what he has said, the atmosphere he has created and in his words what he can do to be more helpful? >> the first thing i would say
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is we need to take a step back from politicizing every event. this is an issue of human hate, something that resides in the heart and that is actually unfortunate because of social technology and the social media we are seeing it connected to other folks who have hate in their heart as welch what i would say to everyone from the president to my house is that we should take responsibility for how we respond to the situations. i am thankful the president's response to this situation has been clear and decisive. i would hope w we would always have that clarity and decisive response in the face of hate and rage and racism. but it goes beyond that. we have to build a better society, a society wherewithal, we all see we are in the same boat, poking holes or shooting holes in that boat only leads to casualties, all of us will be the casualty. everyone looks in this world too to america as the city on the hill, the bright light within the stars. we have to act consistent with
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our values if we are to maintain the position not as a superpower economically but as a moral compass for this world to follow. i think we can do that. i know that we have done it and i believe that we will do it again. >> garrett: i don't know if you had a chance to hear but sheriff brown earlier on this program said he hopes the senate will cancel the august recess, come back and address gun-related issues. your colleague in south carolina lindsey graham betweened this morning he is now in favor of so-called red flag laws. do you have any anticipation senator scott that will occur, the senate will be called back this august and any legislative efforts will be undertaken whether assault weapons ban, background checks or red flag laws or should they be? >> garrett, that's a great question and i don't have a clear answer for that. it is something i will be happy to do and happily come back to washington to have a conversation about gun violence. >> garrett: right now? >> and do it in a very thorough way. i would leave together. i will go tomorrow. it doesn't matter to me this is
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such an important issue and issue that we sometimes only get part o part of the picture becae of the mass shootings. i heard one of your guests earlier talk about the fact we had nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in this country. that is staggering number and when you delve into the numbers what you find is that 65 to 67 percent of those murders were self-inflicted. they were suicides. when you look at the 250 plus mass shootings in this country, this year, about 17 to 20 of them led to the loss of four lives or more, about half of those were suicides and/or domestic situations. we are in the midst of a mental health crisis that we have not gully identified. i am happy to talk about background checks. i have supported letters to the administration that eliminated bump stocks. i am willing to have that conversation but let's make sure
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we put a fine point on the actual place the numbers lead us and wherever that goes we should be willing to take a serious look at it. >> i just want to make sure i understand you 0 clearly, senator scott, your message this morning to the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is, come back, bring us back, and let's have a conversation on these various issues right now? >> garrett, it is painful to watch the. the challenges that i have lived through and to suggest that for some reason we are not willing to go back and confront this major issue in our nation, i reject that. i reject the notion that something is more important than saving lives if we can do so. i am not going to suggest we will find ourselves on the same page, having the same answers from left to right, but i do think that it is an american crisis that we are a part of and that as leaders of this country, we have and the opportunity to
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go back and deal with the issue and i hope that we find tub resolve to take apart the issue and not just deal with one silo. i am willing to look at the entire ugly picture and look for solutions that our nation desperately yearns for. >> pauley: republican senator tim scott of south carolina. thanks so much very much for your time. and we will be right back with our panel. >>
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>> garrett: as we do every week about this time we would like to bring in our panel for some political analysis. susan page is a washington bureau chief at usa today jeffrey goldberg is at the atlantic. >> amy walter is with the cook political report and the take away. >> at that that was a long way around a for not very much. anyway, david nakamura is a reporter covering the white house 0 for the "washington post". good morning, everyone. i don't need to say it is a tough morning and i don't want to go through one of these finalities about well we are so concerned. i just want to get a sense for you collectively, start with you, susan, our nation has been
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through this process before and every time we ask this question, is there a moment, is this a moment? what do you think? >> if 249 mass shootings in the space of a year is not enough to force political change, why would the 250th one be? jeffrey reminded me he and i sat at this table on this panel the morning after the tree of life shooting at the synagogue in pittsburgh and we had no particular answers then and i don't know that we have anymore answers now about why this would be the turning point that so many americans say they want to see. >> garrett: jeffrey? >> you know right after sandy hook a number of people observed what we learned is that the country will accept a certain level of child homicide in order to have the gun rights that we have and other issues so things didn't change after that. so it is hard to imagine that things change after any particular event. this does feel a little bit different because it is the
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confluence of a gun issue and a racism issue, and both of those seem to be reaching a boiling point but it is hard to say this is a pivot. we might be pivoting toward an end to euphemism in some way. people seem to be tired of talking about thoughts and prayers. this ideas of having a national conversation around every issue seems inadequate to the moment, but we will see. >> garrett: amy, do you take anything of significance away from tweets this morning, from fred upton, republican michigan in the house lindsey house, lindsey graham, south carolina talking about red flag laws and trying to find some way to reposition themselves within this conversation? >> well, i also think it goes beyond the legislative and i think we are all on the table know that too, that the issue 0 really when we are talking about the consequences of political rhetoric and where the incentives are, people like will hurd aren't coming back to congress in part, i know he didn't say this but it can't be much fun to be somebody like congressman hurd, one of only
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three republicans who sit in a district that hillary clinton carried, so now there will be maybe after 2020 only two left in districts that hillary clinton carried. those are the folks that bring a diversity of ideas, who are there to sort of raise their hand and say well it might play in your district but not here and to bring that kind of conversation but that doesn't happen anymore and people aren't willing to compromise, those people have been all defeated or left on their own so what that leaves us with is an incentive structure in washington where it is all 0 or 0 none. i mean this conversation isn't that hard to have in some ways but we can't have it because there is no and/or but in the conversation. either you have, it is either mental health issues or we have to get rid of all guns. right? there is somewhere inbetween here and there is also the 0 consequence of the rhetoric and i think that will be -- it is obviously been a big issue, and thus far under president trump's tenure but that there are actual consequences to stoking and
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inrape inning, president trump didn't invent this polarization but the constant just stoking of it has actual consequences. >> absolutely. i mean this is a president i think in 2016 there was some general sense if there was a president given his conservative bona fides for president trump the way he campaign he could give some cover to republicans on gun control and find some common ground, as unlikely as this would be th would be a possible president who could do something like this. he has shown no inclinic inflation to do so. >> republicans will follow him just about anywhere as will the base. >> i think what you are saying if this particular case, if this manifesto is tied to the shoot never the case in el paso is that president trump is -- this is beyond an issue of mass shooting, it is now tied up into questions about white nationalism, about the president's rhetoric and about trumpism is an election year the idea we can move forward and president trump the one to give lindsey graham and others political cover is a little -- >> i am a little uncomfortable
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with the name manifesto. i think it manifests some credibility that this essay doesn't warrant, but be that as it may, and once authorities and they are on this trail now, believe they can confirm that the two are linked, in it it says, the increase in hispanic population in texas prompted his action, blames democrat and republican leaders in, and corporations for failing the country and specifies neither president trump nor any other presidential candidate inspired him and supported support for the christchurch shoot never new zealand there is an impossible question to answer but i will give you a chance. >> thank you. >> garrett: what ought we con 0 conclude about it but what does this tell us possibly we should think about as mind act on? >> it tells us that another term that might be antiquated now is lone wolf, after you have so many lone wolves it is a wolf pack, it is not connected in the same way assay isis or al qaeda
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structured organizations, but there is a common viewpoint shared by different white males in different parts of the world about the condition of the world, social media has allowed this to grow mostly unnoticed. people are -- you don't need a terror organization i mean where people can connect their ideas to each other across social media, across the internet and so we are in a completely different kind of challenge for law enforcement where people are neither radicalized by organizational structures but not self radicalized either. there is so much help. and so i mean i agree with you on the manifesto it is a screed and a gas stish of ideas that have been floating around in the netherworld of the internet and these young needs minds are putting these ideas together and some are taking action. >> we had a warning last month, fbi director chris wray testified before congress the fbi investigated nearly 100
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issues this career with domestic terrorism and some were associated with white nationalism and the reason this testimony didn't get more attention is because it was right before robert mueller was testifying to about the russia investigation, but that is a pretty 0 sobering message nearly as many examples of domestic terrorism being pursued by the fbi as international terrorism inside our border. >> george p bush is the land commissioner of texas, the grandson of george herbert walker bush, the son of jeb bush, very quick on twitter to describe his 0 career in naval, twitter now have been multiple as a attacks from self declared white terrorists here in the u.s. in the last several months this is a real and present threat we must all denounce and defeat. amy do you think that is singularly suggestive of the bush family at large and do you think it will be something that republicans, will hurd and others will rally around? >> so george p bush is in texas, a state that is obviously
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incredibly diverse, if he wants to run for higher office in the state of texas, he understands and appreciates what that would look like, the coalition that you need to put together to win in a state like texas, and the age that he is right now, she much younger knowing where we are headed in the future, so i think he reflects where the party needs to go but right now in the age a of trump they are in a place where that is not true. i just wanted to give one statistics right now in congress republicans 0 rent 83 percent of the 100 districts with the highest share of native born residents so places that have the highest share of nonnative born residents are run by democrats. >> garrett: it sounds like she thinking about the future and a suggesting with this tweet it seems to me and to pick up on amy's point though this may be the current trajectory he doesn't believe it is the long-term trajectory. >> sure, democrats that go back to obama days of trying to embed in texas to help it turn blue. i think more immediately, of
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course, i was reminded just that president trump himself visited el paso, the same time gave a speech there and if you look i went and looked back at his speech it talked about his 0 immigration agenda, did not mention almost anything about the positive aspects of immigration certainly and also, you know, recite add number of statistics that were inflated, inaccurate about the dangers of immigrants and a undocumented immigrants and called juarez mexico right across the border one of the most dangerous cities in the world. this is a president if you think about it too joust, just beyond talking about caravan invasion, it was an energy he had to act on and if you look at the language of the screed or whatever you 0 want to call it that was most posted online potentially by the alleged shooter, it echoes quite a bit of that. >> garrett: jeffrey, just one note on george p bush, let's credit him with electoral acumen but let's also credit george p bush and other people in the bush family and other republicans with being genuinely horrified by theth know
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nationalist tilt of the republican party and especially its president. i think there are numbers, large numbers of people, many of whom have left congress recently who don't like the way this is going and don't like the association of the republican party with the kind of white nationalism. >> garrett: susan? >> we know over long time, we focus over, know over the long-term this is a losing proposition to give up on black members and give uh up on hispanic voters and we don't though whether it works in the short-term in next year's election. >> garrett: susan page, thank you very much, we will be right back. >> with turning ideas into action. putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting
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>> garrett: that's it for us today. as we leave, we want to thank first responders and authorities who have abouted to heroically in both el paso and dayton and too the families the and friends, neighbors and acquaintances of the victims, you have our deepest sympathies for your losses. margaret will be back next week
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