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their way to freedom. now they're being honored. >> welcome to our viewers on public television in america and around the globe. today came the announcement many were dreading. malaysia's prime minister said flight 370 did crash into the southern indian ocean and no one survived. the declaration was made possible because of new satellite information from the u.k. tonight we will have full coverage and start with alice in koala lume you are. a warning, his report contains flash photography. >> it was a moment the world was expecting but the families of those on board flight mh-370 ere hoping would never come. the malaysian's prime minister announcement based on new information from the british communications company at the heart of this investigation.
>> the u.k. company that provided the satellite data, using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort. they have been able to shed more light on image 370's flight path. >> they used data sent from the plane to satellite to establish two possible corridors the aircraft could have traveled. they used a new type of computer modeling to discount the northern corridor. the plane's last signal must have come from here, deep in the southern indian ocean. >> this is a remote location far from any possible landing sites. it is therefore with deep sadness and regret that i must form you that according to
his new data flight mh-370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> this was the reaction in beijing, when the families heard the terrible news. anger replaced this sudden and brutal loss of hope. the malaysians are talking nonsense, this man shouts. until the wreckage is found, the truth will be hard to accept. chinese aircraft joined the search for wreckage today, 1,500 miles off the coast of western australia. they photographed some unidentified floating objects, as did an australian aircraft crew. ships are also on the way to the search area. this really is just the first step in trying to solve one of the world's aviation mysteries.
a wreckage linked to the flight no positively identified so the search must go on for remains of the plane, black box, flight recorder and try to piece together the last few hours of the passengers and crew aboard flight mh-370. why it went down, thousands of miles off course, deep in the southern indian ocean may never be known. bbc news, kuala lumpur. >> objects floating in the ocean which may or may not give us a clue. as alastair reported the malaysian prime minister said his announcement was based on new analysis that comes on experts at the u.k.'s air accidents investigation branch. from inmarsat, the british company that provided the satellite data, our correspondant's been talking to the team behind the breakthrough. >> this is the very room they have would been receiving data from flight mh-370. this is where they're able to put together new analysis to confirm the aircraft definitely flew south and definitely somewhere down here.
how have you finally concluded this aircraft flew south? > we took malaysian triple 777 aircraft data, modeled that and put that against the northern and southern path and what we discovered was that the path to the south is undoubtedly the one taken. >> why has it taken so long to get to this point? >> we have been dealing with a totally new area. we have been trying to help an investigation based on a single signal once an hour from an aircraft that didn't include any g.p.s. data or any time and distance information. this really was a bit of a shot in the dark. and it's the credit of our scientific team they came up and managed to model this. >> are you happy with the way the malaysians processed all of this data/ >> the emphasis for the malaysians must have been on cutting back on all of the data they were getting. it must have been complicated time. they were dealing with neighbors they may not necessarily get on
with, they may have been trying to get through a whole series of data to eliminate. it's very hard for us to criticize them. >> it's going to frighten a lot of people that an aircraft can just disappear like this. is there anything that can top is it it happening in the future? >> if you look at i ships at sea, long-range identification and tracking is a requirement and again goes through us as part of the safety at sea arrangements. aircraft could have their positions reported now with existing technology. it would cost less than a dollar an hour. >> inmarsat's chris mcglockton speaking there. in the search for the wrengage, the united states is sending owe fist kated equipment -- sophisticated equipment to could locate the ping black box, even deep on the floor of the southern ocean. it will join the ships traveling to the area attempting to find debris being spotted by multiple satellite and search planes. we're in perth, western australia. >> for five days the vast
southern indian ocean has yielded few clues. today that changed. australian search planes fired flares to mark the spot after four pieces of possible debris from the missing malaysian jet were cited. special data voids were dropped to track any shift in position caused by the strong currents. >> the object was rectangular in shape, slightly below the ocean. second object was circular, also slightly below the ocean. we came across a long -- or a sill lynn dra cal -- sill indra cal object and another item in the area shaped in a rush fish hook. >> dozens of flights this week have spotted virtually nothing. but today a chinese plane also reported seeing suspicious objects amid-the waves. but from the australian prime minister, a word of caution.
>> planes and ships continue to search the area for any signs of the missing aircraft. i caution again, mr. acting deputy speaker, we don't know whether any of these objects are from mh-370. >> an australian navy ship, hmas success is one of several vessels trying to find that out and it could then take days to transport anything they do find to 1,500 miles back to dry land. and unless the plane's crucial black box is found, we may know what happened but we won't know why. bbc news in perth. >> here's one very big empty ocean out there. for more i spoke a short time ago with robert francis, former vice chairman of the u.s. national transportation safety board and to retired navy captain van gurley, who commanded ocean ography operations. they joined me from washington.
van gurley, let me start with you, we have seen a lot of pictures of the planes flying over this area of ocean. how critical is it we get ships on to that area too? >> well, that's absolutely critical for the next phase of the operation. a search like this is multiphased evolution. first is getting some idea where the debris field may be and that's the role of the long-range aircraft that could cover a large area quickly and of satellites. but once there is the debris, potential debris spotted as appears to have happened in the last 24 hours, then the next most crucial piece is getting ships directly on to the pieces so they can possibly identify what they are and if they are aircraft pieces and parts, link them back to this flight. >> robert francis, what do you think of what john donaldson was saying there in that report, we may find debris and may find the black box from the plane but we may never know what happened here? >> i'm not as optimistic as some
in terms of finding anything to tell you the truth. i think there's a lot of debris in oceans all over the place but to -- to find something that is still on the surface from that aircraft is -- is extraordinarily unlikely, i think. and that it will lead you to the point where you can use that point and figure out the currents and everything else, where there might be something like the recorders is a long, long stretch. i would really caution people to not be too optimistic. this is certainly a step forward nd hat's off to the mr-sat and aaib for what they have done but i think we better be careful not to get particularly -- or
anyone's hopes up. >> it's unlikely we might find things on the surface. would it help us to send a craft under the surface? is it time for submarines? >> no, it would be premature for that. the search rates of the submarine vehicles we're talking about even acoustic listening devices that were talked about in your run of the pinger locators are short range, less than a mile in lateral range in terms of what they can see on the ocean bottom. you need to have more con 0 fined area before those assets can really be brought to bear. >> you were involved in the hunt for some of the air france plane that went off the coast of brazil. do you think in this case it's possible, given the depth of the ocean, i think the depth of the ocean is pretty similar here, we will find the black box? are you a bit more optimistic perhaps finding out what happened? >> well, it's all a matter of where the data leads us. again, as you said, the ocean depth is about equivalent to the
area where air france 447 went down. we know the black boxes are rated to be able to withstand the pressure of that depth and technology to get to the ocean bottom's of the depths. but finding some evidence that directly ties us to the right location which to look. >> front francis, is it surprising to you to realize as we have learned from the course of this investigation that there are what you might call black holes in terms of radar and satellite information in the surface of the world? i think a lot of people would be surprised plain could simply disappear like this. >> i don't think that this is surprising. i do think what it's tell us is we better speed up our use of satellites and aircraft uipment and use that to be able to get periodic location of aircraft on a routine basis.
it costs something but the costs compared to the loss of an aircraft per hour of aircraft operation is not going to be excessive. >> france's former vice chairman of the notice there and captain van gurley joining me. still to come on tonight's program, president obama and leaders of the g-7 meet in the hague on the agenda isolating russia after its actions in ukraine. >> more than half the population of a small village in washington state has been hit by massive land slide on saturday and is still missing or unaccounted for. david willis has this story for us. >> from the air you could see the extent of the devastation, an entire town wiped off the map by a massive mud slide. a recent census put the town of oso's population at 180.
officials say reports filed with different agencies suggest more than 100 could be missing. to date there are 108 reports of names of individuals who are either unaccounted for or missing. >> it happened after part of a nearby mountainside gave way, taking trees and other debris with it. rescuers heard people crying for help from amongst the wreckage but couldn't get to them. the tangle of mud and debris 15 feet deep in places was sucking them in like quick sand. 30 homes are thought to have been destroyed. >> i want to let everyone know the system -- situation is very grim. we haven't -- still holding out hope we will be able to find people that may still be alive but keep in mind, we have not found anybody alive on this pile since saturday in the initial stages of our operation.
but again, we're still in a rescue mode. >> local resident shawn wright wran towards the screens to find a baby and his mother buried beneath the debris. he used chainsaws to get them out alive. >> where we got here was just debris. you couldn't tell any house. it's all debris. >> the mud slide occurred without warning and being blamed on recent heavy rains. there are more storms on the way and it would seem little chance of finding anyone else alive. bbc news, washington, d.c. >> today's leaders of the world figure economy as greed to move the g-8 summit this summer from sochi to brussels. it's the latest attempt to isolate russia for its military intervention in ukraine and takeover of crimea. it was made on the summit of hague, a meeting that excluded
moscow's foreign minister. >> in crimea, every ukrainian military base is under russian control. many of the ukrainian soldiers without their uniforms are being pulled out of the region. oken resistance has ended. in moscow, in the parliament, flags of crimea were added to the flags of russia's regions. images intended to demonstrate from the russian perspective, crimea's future has been settled. in the netherland, president obama arrived for a summit on nuclear security but it was completely overshadowed by the crisis in ukraine. the american president, who was shown a restored museum was determined to keep the pressure on russia and signal it could not expect a place at the world's top table for the time being. >> europe and america are united
in our support of the ukrainian government and ukrainian people. imposing ed in owe -- a cost on russia for its action so far. >> as for motorcades swept into the hague, president putin's was not among them and the leaders of the world's more powerful economies of the g-8 were sent to discuss what to do about russia. is it now time to exclude russia from the g-8 and make it g-7? >> we should be clear there will not be a g-8 summit this year in russia. that is absolutely clear. we will be meeting tonight, seven other countries of the g-8 to determine the way forward. frankly, it's russia that needs to change course. >> the white house indicated that russia would not be formally kicked out of the group of eight. more, a cold shoulder. for president obama arriving here, the priority is so try to demonstrate just how isolated
russia is within the international community. and also to try and show that the united states and europe are united when it comes to dealing with russia over the crisis in the ukraine. on the sidelines of this meeting, there was one more positive sign. there are reports the russian foreign minister is expected to meet his ukrainian counterpart for the first time. gavin hewitt, bbc news, the hague. >> the acting ukrainian former minister, lavrov and russian minister have met. a short time ago i spoke about these talks with david kramer, who is now the president of freedom house. do you think president putin cares that the g-8 meeting won't take place in sochi? >> i think he cares a little bit but obviously nowhere near enough to alter his behavior. what he cares about much more is whether he and his colleagues in the kremlin and businessmen will pay a price for their actions. that i think is what matters
more. being excluded from the g-8, not hosting the meeting in the g-8 is to me an obvious step that the g-7 needs to take. but i'm not sure that is going to get mr. putin's attention. >> so president obama arrived in the hague this morning and said europe and the united states are united in making sure that russia pays a prirkse as you have suggested. do you think they really are united? >> the united states i think is further ahead. i hope the european allies will catch up. the list of europeans put out last week, two lists, one earlier in the week and then on friday is getting closer to the u.s. list. but i think there needs to be businessmen put on the european list given how integrated many russian businessmen are in europe. and if there are costs imposed that way, i think that is slykely to get the attention of putin and his rather small circle. >> you know it's interesting having just come from washington
today myself, what i keep hearing in washington is the europeans must catch up. they must catch up. they must realize although there's a price to pay, they have to get on board here. i come here to europe and europeans and i am hearing listen, americans don't understand how much this is going to hurt our economies. there's a disconnect on both sides of the atlantic over russia. >> there is. u.s./russian trade is about a 10th of what european russian trade is. so there's no question europe has much more at stake here and has much more trade ties, financial ties. so it's easier in a way for the united states to 0 take a tougher position because we do have less at cost. but i do think that the situation that is unfolded between russia and ukraine with russia's violation of ukraine's sovereignty and tegraty with the buildup of forces on the eastern border with ukraine and possibility of further problems in moldova and else were, europe is really going to be forced to take a strong position.
don't think there will be much choice they will have. >> david, what's your hunch on other areas russian might have its eyes on? >> i think there is real concern about the possibility of even an accident or provocation, whether in crimea where the situation is still not completely under control, though it fortunately has been rather nonviolent. or on the border, if the buildup of ukraine combran forces to try to keep russian forces from crossing the border, problems in moldova with the separatist regions. but even in nato member states, e.u. member states such as latvia or estonia, where there's a sizable ethnic russian population. kazakhstan also should be concerned about the way putin has tried to justify his takeover of a part of ukraine by saying he was coming to the defense of russians. the irony is mr. putin doesn't show much interest or care for the human rights of russians inside russia but when it's politically expeadant he does so when it comes to some of his
neighbors. >> plenty to keep your former colleagues in the u.s. state department busy. david kramer, thank you so much for joining me. today hundreds of people gathered in poland to commemorate the man who died taking part in what came to be known as the great escape. it was 70 years ago during the second world war that scores of service men held in a german prisoner of war camp made a bid for freedom through a tunnel code named harry. from the polish town of zagen, our correspondant has this report. >> one by one, they carried the rain street photos along the forest track. 50 serving era personnel, representing 50 men from another generation who used their captivity to fight back. under the surrounding pines, moss-covered brick and concrete provided the only remaining links to war-time story which spawned a hollywood blockbuster.
the story of an ambitious plan to tunnel out of what was build an an escape-proof camp and allow a record number of allied airmen to head for home. >> it was audacious. it was quite remarkable. when you think that, that tunnel was dug by people without tools, secrecy,ep security or we knew it was being planned buzz there was work going on in the room next to me, making uniforms and things. >> three tunnels were dug. only one was used. the final item code named harry stretched over 100 meters under the outer fence. it still lies beneath the feet of those who vest the spot of where more than 70 men made break for freedom. this morning military chiefs from britain, poland and commonwealth paid their tributes
to those who planned to fight back from behind the wire. >> when first captured, they did not accept for them the war was over. far from it. they were not prisoners of war. hey were prisoners at war. >> at the tunnel exit, veterans joined families from around the world. their wreaths bright under a gray winter sky. >> on film and in reality, the great escape will endure long after the last eyewitnesses have departed. robert hall, "bbc world news," falcon. >> the real soldiers from the great escape being remembered 70 years on. that brings today's broadcast it a close. you can carry on watching "bbc world news." for constant updates on our 24-hour news network. if you check out your local listings, find our channel number. reach me on twitter and at katty
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