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john: clinton and trump solidify their frontrunner status but the one trump movement vows last stand. i'm john dickerson in for gwen ifill tonight on "washington week." over.s as far as i'm concerned, it's over. secretary clinton: it's your house, we're going to come back to philadelphia with the most most pledged delegates. john: so close, they can taste it, hillary clinton and donald the verge of locking up their nominations and looking to fall campaign. mr. trump: i think the only card women's card. she's got nothing else going. secretary clinton: if fighting for paid healthcare and equal pay is playing the women's card, deal me in. john: the latest battle line, gender.
that issuey to hear again and again. while at the same time, trump lays out his vision for the u.s. in the world. mr. trump: america, first, will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. john: what that means and how that's different. and john, ted cruz kasich scour the playbook for anything that might help them block trump's nomination. goes one step further. >> if i am nominated to be president of the united states, will run with my vice nominee, carly fiorina. john: will it do any good? covering the political race this week, jeff zeleny of cnn, lisa press,f the associated jennifer jacobs, national for bloombergrter politics, and indira lakshmanan, writer forg "politico" magazine. andward-winning reporting analysis. covering history as it happens. nion's capitol,
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island,cut, rhode maryland, delaware and pennsylvania. he now has a more than lead over his closest competitor, ted cruz. hillary clinton one four of those five states, losing to rhode island. in secretary clinton: we're going to imagine a tomorrow where hard work is honored, families are supported, streets are safe and communities are strong and where love trumps hate. forward. let's win the nomination and in a unifieds return as party. thank you so much! john: clinton has a more than pledgeegate lead among delegates which grows to 800 if you add her lead in super delegates. that inspired real talk from bernie sanders. senator sanders: i am very good arithmetic and i can count delegates and we are behind today.
john: wishful thinking. senator sanders: but you know what, unusual things happen in help, weand with your are going to win the pledged help,tes and with your super delegates may well reach the conclusion that bernie sanders will be the strongest trump.te against donald john: jeff, bernie sanders is making it sounds like he's got a shot. does he? think as the week comes to a close, he knows he does not. optimistic bernie sanders, still trying to allow his many supporters and he does many supporters, you know, the idea that they should still vote and their vote still matters but they know here isight that the pathway essentially closed, albeit, some catastrophic event happens, quite frankly. so they know the dream has sort of ended but the democratic race full circle.e i think this was the most
consequential week in the campaign since iowa, everything coming together as we expected on the democratic side. you can see divisions in the sanders campaign throughout the week. some people wanted him to go forward and fight and others know, let's dial it back a touch, i think he's been wrestling with that. hise seen jane sanders out, wife. she is his closest adviser, top adviser, without question. dissente's been some internally. he has huge rallies, bigger than else, other than donald trump, so why aren't they winning? primaries,re close maybe not totally fair, but he's running as a democrat. as of this weekend, he knows it is essentially over and we heard him yesterday in oregon talking about how he can change the party, how he can influence the platform. so he is not going after hillary as he wasarly as much just a couple of days ago and
not even slightly as much as he weeks ago.e of john: so, lisa -- and there were mixed signals. night, he was talking about everything but hillary clinton, suggesting he'd out a press he put release saying he was in it to phrase she'd the used in 2008. what would he want, now, if he in all the way through? how might it look if he's moving now?a different phase lisa: part of the issue here is wants to get out of the presidential race particularly has an have money and he awful lot of money and the money keeps flowing in so he has enough to continue doing this so he stays in through the end of the primaries. whether he goes all the way to notconvention or not is totally clear. obviously, the clinton folks want him out of the race as soon only to --, not john: they can't rush it. lisa: they can't. that's exactly right. him out of the race in an open way would look really
bad for them because they're issue of bringing sanders' supporters back in the fold and the question is how do you do that and then the question is what exactly does bernie sanders want and nobody answer to that yet. i'm not even sure senator sanders himself knows the answer to that. he want to lead a movement? does he want a position in the clinton administration? to see butis harder that's the signs we're all watching for in the next couple of weeks. whether the california race, does he fight hard there? a unity momente for them? what does that look like? and president obama, the white house, has made it clear that they will not get into the race until senator sanders is completely out. the clinton campaign wants to get the president in the race to have thatager happen as soon as possible. john: if hillary clinton reads she'ss you two do and ready to move on to the general election, she has changed her focus a little bit. today she's also hired staffers for the general
election in new hampshire, florida, all purple states. how is she turning to the general election? did it first and foremost by going back to her break andaking a planning on how to take on donald trump and i'm told that ae's fine with this period of month of bernie sanders staying in the race. it gives her some time and space. nearly asspending much money as he planned in indiana. he scaled that way back. the clinton campaign on wednesday was the first day since august that they did not on tv anywhere in the country so they are fine with this sort of break period they need time to ramp up for the general but they are watching him very carefully. they certainly don't want to lose in california. she would limp to the nomination they are transitioning and i think that she signaled sort of on donaldap to taking trump in an interview she did jake tappernn can and she --
john: i'm going to interrupt you. interview.t jeff: even better. john: let's play that interview you.e'll come back to secretary clinton: remember, i have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes reservation in the way they behave and how they speak. john: just a little context there. what she's talking about is donald trump said she's only gotten as far as she has in life a woman and she was spending to dealing with people like donald trump. jeff: she was. but she left open for perhaps heron, experience dealing with men but i think she's made very clear, thatast in this interview, she is going to take at least high road atteady this point and show people she's presidential. she's not going to get into the mud with donald trump. i think she's perfectly capable of doing that as this race goes but i think at this time her campaign is going to remind
every voter exactly what he has said. we saw campaign video out this week really running through a laundry list of everything he has said throughout the course of the last six or nine months or so and that's what they're be doing. john: lisa? democratically, the attack plan against trump breaks into three pieces. credentials, is this the guy you want with his finger on the button. controversy, all the controversial statements he's and women andinos his business record, is he the be sossman he purports to you'll see the lines of attack coming out. debuted this week was do you want his finger on the button. democratictrong response to his foreign policy speech but all those attacks secretary clinton taking the high road which her her to dontend for but don't you think that's going to be hard.
impossible. lisa: he'll make it as hard as possible. john: she did respond on the women's thing. me in on playing the women's card and they issued an actual card so they seem to that littleaving fight right now. lisa: yeah, they think that's a nott that's good for them only, of course, with female voters who make up a big part of constituency but they also see an opportunity to independents and traditionally republican voters, particularly republican women. out byen data put democrats saying they think 20% of republicans could be persuadable to voting for hillary clinton over donald trump so that goes right at the in columbus or aurora, that's who they're aiming that at. john: we'll talk about donald trump's foreign policy speech but you wrote a piece about hillary clinton and her time as aover candidate. do you think this primary fight she's had with bernie sanders has made her a better candidate?
indira: i think she has to make of lemons.t she has to say it's made her a whatr candidate and that's the campaign has to believe has happened but factually -- i covered her in 2008 -- she was not a strong candidate. she's a better candidate now than she was then. she still has some of the same ticks. she still can be quite wooden on the campaign trail. tends to revert to talking about policy. she cares a lot about policy. her passion. she would say i'm being passionate. a robot but meng talking about healthcare and children and social security and the things i care about it but she talks about it in a very kind of "this is my 10-point plan for paying for samege" which is not the inspirational speech which we were used to from candidate and which a lot of bernie sanders supporters have responded to. what i focused on is how different she is once she's actually an official in office
she is as a candidate. what we've seen in 2016 is she's campaignback to hillary whereas for four years i covered her as secretary clinton differents a very person -- much more confident in her skin, much more comfortable, and more able to rile up excite people and really have crowds eating out of the palm of her hand. was, they weren't american crowds but people overseas. to unlearn the lessons from secretary of state. pivot to republicans. set the stage for us in the republican race. is donald trump in as good a clinton in hillary the democratic side? jennifer: interestingly, as generaleparing for the election, he, this week, for the first time said i'm the nominee so how prepared is he for the general election? we checked on that. are someout that there pretty basically organizational building blocks his campaign is lacking. have any process in place to vet a vice presidential
candidate at all. have a fund-raising operation in place to raise money for the general election and that could be a billion he needs to raise. and so this was 30 days into the his new chief strategist, paul manafort, charged with bringing professionalism to the campaign. manafort'sup on paul first 30 days and it turns out there are some people within the made an who think he has big difference. he has imposed a more regular meeting schedule. budgetinged the somewhat from month to month to a more longer term. more money and hiring. he's got a policy shop he's rating in washington, d.c. many things he's doing. others in the campaign say, look, if we had just waited, if mr. trump had waited, i think donald trump still would have hadthe last six states he won and perhaps we wouldn't have needed to restructure the campaign because winning is all so i thinkaken people will be looking in the
coming weeks as he goes around presumptivehe nominee, how much bandwidth does he have to deal with not only butting the primary fight the general to turn that way. john: we saw that donald trump did very well in getting the then ted cruz out-maneuvered him in the delegate selection process. and knows the kind of inside game on that. in the general election, can you -- does donald trump have a magic that makes some of those things that you found he's not for not matter? or are they really going to matter? structure?d that jennifer: i think he definitely needs that structure to do the get-out-the-vote effort. he has gone around saying i'm going to win democratic states pennsylvania, maryland, delaware. there's a lot of skepticism manafort hast paul said he's got that unique donald trump magic and perhaps he can white working class voters to make a dent in the general election. alienatedle say he's women and hispanics to the point
that he cannot recover but who trump whatdonald he's going to change and turn election.he general >> i was struck when he was in indiana. he was going through the list of he thinks he can be competitive and focused on talk to and if you democrats in michigan and pennsylvania and other places, they're not laughing at donald trump anymore. those days are so over. potentially's bringing new voters into the electorate so maybe some states nevada,of reach -- colorado -- with a high percentage of hispanic voters but some of the white working class voters, he could get them and they know that and hillary clinton is not beloved. she's entering the primary fight with her negatives aren't as high as his but she's not nearly bethe position she hoped to when she was secretary of state when she came out are a robust approval rating. her highest approval ratings -- i looked at the last 25 years of hillary clinton's you won'tatings and be surprised that her highest approval ratings were at the
the monica lewinski scandal and at the end of her time at secretary of state. all through four years as secretary of state she was above 60% approval ratings. now that's virtually flipped buttists thinking about what was thinking about what you said about the woman card campaign thinks they can pull off republican women but the interesting thing is key that women in america vote at a higher rate than men do and women are at favoring hillary over donald trump. that's an advantage for her. hillary-trumpthe race will be so interesting because it could scramble the math. donald trump has a pathway through the rust belt, through were midwest, if she has a pathway. if it's hillary clinton versus donald trump, i talked to people the clinton campaign yesterday and they were telling me maybe we would think of arizona,eriously in maybe we'd think about georgia.
the map could look different. see republicans break clinton and some sanders supporters go for trump. it's an unusual year. it could get more unusual. john: let me ask you about that to get behind donald trump because after his was actories, there little bit of acceptance happening within the republican party moving behind donald trump. tell us a little bit about that. jennifer: you did see some members of congress endorse him week. he got three new members of sessions,o join jeff his only u.s. senator. but he also got a governor, he mike pence of indiana. indiana is a make-or-break state coming up next week. then -- john: make-or-break state for the stop trump movement. jennifer: exactly and for ted well, as he wants to really continue on but then you fromthe anti-endorsement former speaker john boehner from neighboring ohio. ton: who compared him
lucifer. >> if that's not the -- that was weakest coffee endorsement, not the double endorsement. >> said i'm going to vote for ted cruz but i really like he's doing aand great job. >> the one i'm surprised about is the reaction senator bob corker gave after donal trump's foreign policy speech because bob corker is someone i've covered closely and in 2008 on the senate foreign relations a conservatives republican and when he replaced lugar in that position, we said what's going to happen to the republican side. over the last several years, he's actually worked pretty the obamath administration on a number of things, including the iran deal. he didn't stop it even though he was unhappy with it and to have and say, i liked a lot of what i heard of donald speech, that was a surprise.
john: let's listen a little to trump speaking this week about foreign policy in this speech. mr. trump: it's time to shake off america's foreign policy. it's time to invite new voices visions into the fold, something we have to do. my foreign policy will always interests of the american people and american above all else. has to be first. has to be. john: indira, what did you make of the whole speech? indira: it was incredible, in that room.e he had about 100 guests who were the foreign part of policy establishment, people who were former republican members reagan's cab nat. we had national security adviser mcfarland in the audience and the russian ambassador was in the audience. theme of speech the which was america first. he used those words. any student of history will remember "america first." that was the 1930's in america,
the isolationists, who into worldt to get war ii, who were essentially that movement and went strongly until the bombing of pearl harbor. he then said that the foreign policy of the obama administration was bad, very terrible, the worst ever policy was going to bring in the best ever policy, using his simple language, stitching lines from all of his stump speeches and sort of into his foreign policy speech. he said his foreign policy will be the first coherent foreign the coldnce the end of war, however, it's also going to be completely unpredictable so i sat there scratching my head andking you're coherent unpredictable at the same time? militarye'll make the stronger but we're not going to use the military unless we we'll bey have to but tough on isis but we'll only
fight wars if we can win. whats a lot of saying everyone wanted to hear, something for everyone. john: what's the point of this that vague?'s you saw the flags in the background, what was he going for? that camethe message through to voters was that two-word slogan, "america first" people responded to that. you saw it on social media, people loved it. jeff: what was striking to me, we're at the end of april, he's nominee,e republican that was his first foreign policy speech. generally in presidential campaigns, people have laid out foreign policy before so the his that he was giving first really substantive speech. >> did it really lay out foreign policy? jon:..more than john: ted cruz picked carly president.vice will that help him? >> it changed the flow of information.
she's popular with donors. her.lican women like it did do something to change the conversation and to put cruz forefront again so it didn't hurt. counterpoint to the woman although he said, she sings with my girls, he like anade her sound aunt. >> throwing everything against the wall. he has to winninnin. -- win in indiana, so let's all up against the wall including carly fiorina. >> five weeks until california, eternity in politics, anything could change. jeff: it could but the math is where it is. this a longve done time to go to stop trump. john: we have to end it there. thanks to all of you. that wraps it up for us tonight. but check out the "washington webcast extra where we'll discuss, moon other things -- been other things, who's the biggest spender in the presidential race so far.
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