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tv   Charlie Rose  KQED  June 14, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PDT

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>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with the horrific event in orlando, florida, and the questions being raised at this hour. let's remember who was targeted here. this was an lgbt nightclub. these were lgbt people. and let's be careful in our political discussions and debates about the way we talk about lgbt americans. let's not, you know, when we're talking about these religious freedom laws quote unquote in the south that essentially legitimize discrimination, when candidates rail against same-sex marriage as something unnatural, let's pause and think about what that says to many americans about a group blg being other and a group being lesser. >> rose: the climate it creates. >> let's remember this massacre, and who died when we're having those conversations. and people who speak, you know, in a way that ostracizes and
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demeans and lessens lgbt americans am i hope this gives them pause. >> i think you will see changes maybe around the edges am jim comey is a good man. he said today he will re-examine the process-- i think ten months is a relatively short period of time for an investigation in the federal government. perhaps there should be another category pending or whatever, that you call it, when one of these preliminary investigations is done. and also that if, in fact, you've been investigated by the fbi there should be some no taition in the database -base as far as hey, this individual has been investigated. even though the case has been closed, i think it would warrant at least an inquirery or a notice to the bureau before the gun itself is given to the individual. >> rose: understanding orlando when we continue. funding for charlie rose is provided by the following:
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captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: tonight we examine the attack that took place in orlando, florida. 50 people died including the gunman who was shot by police swat team. was the deadliest massounded. shooting in american history. at around 2 a.m. on sunday, the assailant omar mateen opened fire inside a crowded gay nightclub. the gunman was a 29 year old american citizen of afghan desent. he called 911 and claimed
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allegiance to isis as the assault unfolded. shortly thereafter isis used social media to claim credit for the attacks. in a speech this morning president o bma spoke about the challenges of home groan extremism. certainly an example of the kind of homegrown eck dreamism that all of us have been so-- extremism that all of us have been so concerned about for a very long time. >> rose: mateen was the sunt of two fbi investigations in 2013 and 2014. fbi director james comey said no stone would be left unturned in the search for answers. >> we will continue to look forward in this investigation and backward. we will leave no stone unturned. and we will work all day and all night to understand the path to that terrible night. we're also going to look hard at our own work to see whether there was something we should have done differently. so far the honest answer is, i
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don't think so. i don't see anything in reviewing our work that our agents should have done differently but we'll look at it in an open and transparent way. other with looking for needles in a nationwide hey stake where we are also called upon to figure out which pieces of hey might some day become needles. that is hard work. if we can find a way to do that better we will. >> rose: joining me is ray kelley, a former commissioner of the new york police department, frank bruny of the new york times, from washington matt olson the former director of the national counterterrorism center and from orlando, josh elliott of cbs news. joining us later from washington from "the new york times," i'm pleased to have all of them on the program. let me begin with josh, you were there on the scene am you have been there all day, we were together this morning. tell me what we know at this point and what are the questions that are remaining. >> well, charlie, you did mention that we did know, of
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course, that upon being forced back inside in the series of firefights with police that he, the shooter omar ma teen would take refuge in that bathroom where he then took hostages, that hostage crisis lasted for a bit of time. in speaking, though, with or landa police chief john mina today, i asked him what it was that lead officials to make the decision to go in and storm the building. and he said in part that it was the lack of demands on the part of mateen. that he wasn't looking for anything. he made some oblique references to having suicide vests. they believed he might force his hostages to wear them. but that his calm demeanor and his lack of interest in any further discussion left him-- left them, rather, no choice. they made that decision, of ortly after 5 a.m. am qui also tell that you as we big further
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into mateen's life the orlando sentinel, the paper of record here in the city have spoken to several eye witnesses who say that they actually have seen omar mateen frequent the pulse nightclub in question, as many as a dozen times. they said at times he would sit by himself but at other times he would become drunk, loud and we lige rant. that he would talk and say some rather awful things about his father and that he would also tell patrons that he had a wife and child. so again as officials here dig deeper into a portrait of omar mateen we also know why they made that fateful decision to go into the pulse nightclub and end a massacre that, as you mentioned, was the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. >> rose: josh, do we know what they found when they went to his house and searched his house. evidently he was not someone that removed everything from his computer and from his cell
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phone. >> we know only that the materials in question, the computers, the cell phones have been removed. although they have not been forth coming with exactly what they found. again, we heard director comey saying that they would leave no stone unturned. we were told repeatedly today that it's still just too early in the investigation to have any solid answers with regard to what they may have found regarding him. i also talked to the police chief about possible radicalization on the part of his father, sadiq mateen. he was a host of essentially a cable access show in on a california-based chan theal allowed him to express very strong political views, including some very strong support of the afghan taliban. there is belief that perhaps sadiq mateen's beliefs influenced his son. and as we see, ultimately murder
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irous ways. >> rose: thank you very much, josh, we'll be back. ray kelley, former commissionerrer of the new york police department. d they go in when they wentyfor at's what we're talking about. going into the bathroom by taking a bear cat and smashing through the wall. i think what the chief says is valid. this individual, we're told, talked about having a suicide vest. he talked about having explosives. and i think the fact that he didn't make demands that were significant indicated that he knew he was going to die. so all things considered, i think they made the right decision. i would like to know with more specificity what happened during those two to three hours. what types of conversation. all we have is a report that he said he had a suicide vest, that
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sort of thing. >> rose: eric has joined us from new york, "the new york times." tell us what you see and what you know about what they are investigating and what they are discovering. >> well, the main thing the fbi is looking at is whether or not he had any help. was he just a lone wolf as first indications appear or could there have been some tactical support either from overseas or from others in florida. so far the answer from director comey today was they think he might have been inspired by isis overseas. he was acting alone. >> rose: inspired meaning also though that he could have accessed some kind of plan, some kind of guidance as to how to go about this kind of murderous plot. >> not so much tactically but more-- but more social media, anti-american rhetoric online
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from isis. ideology more than tactical operations. what they are finding is that his ideology went sort of across-the-board. isis on the one hand, hezbollah and al-qaeda, often islamic groups with different and sometimes competing interests. and at various times he aligned himself with all of them at different times. >> matt, the fbi said, and director comey said and acknowledged that they had investigated him. what should we have expected from an investigation like that. >> really, well, it sounds like from director comey's comments that in 2013, it started with basically a tip or a report from coworkers about statements that mateen had made. and you know, perfectly appropriate and i think justifiable for the fbi to take that seriously and do the things that they reportedly did. which included looking at some of his contacts, talking to
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other people, actually interviewing mateen. generally the fbi is instructed to undertake the least intrusive means based on the information they had. and they did that, it sounds like, up to a point where they no longer had information that indicated he was a threat, that would continue, or would justify continued investigation. and it appears at that point they closed the investigation. >> rose: okay, frank, what do we know about why he chose this place. >> there is a suggestion he was actually looking at different gay clubs. he clearly chose this place because there were lgbt people in there. and he hated what they represented. he hated them in particular. but was' interesting, is while he was targeting them, this is someone who clearly was targeting all of the diversity of america, all of the freedoms of america. there has been some extraordinary interviews. his ex-wife is a former coworker in which the coworker said he was constantly ranting about women in particular, religious minorities. this is somebody who really hated diversity itself.
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he seemed particularly set off by lgbt people. there was a comment from his father, i believe, about him having been disgusted recently about him being when he saw two men kissing. he was looking for a place to make that statement, not just pulse, according to the reporting that i have read, but that was one of the places in consideration and where he ended up going. >> rose: when you see him and when you read about him, what else does it say to you, the profiles you have seen of him? >> i don't know. i am going to be as rivetted as all of us to the news over the next couple of days. i think because they have been able to access his home, because we will see computer stuff and cell phone stuff, i think we'll know an enormous amount about him by the end of the week and have a much fuller picture about what drove him to this point. he is clearly to some degree just purely mad. how that madness ended up translating into the deadliest mass shooting in american history, we have more questions right now than answers. >> rose: it has also been reported that he went to saudi
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arabia in 2011 and 2012, going to saudi arabia by no definition simply suggests anything radical or terroristic. but at the same time when someone does this kind of act, you look at everything he has done as we did in the boston case. >> that's right. and at the time that the fbi had the investigation, they would have looked at any information they had about his travel. and they would have worked with, for example, saudi intelligence services to see if there was anything there. as frank bruny said, we'll learn a lot more about this individual over the next, really, the next couple of weeks. but right now it looks like, you know, his radicalization was really based on an incoherent set of influences. it's not clear that it really was isis-inspired as much as, you know, at the very end there he claimed his allegiance to isis. but he claimed-- he has associations with other ideologies as well. so we will learn a lot more going forward. >> i think he went on the handle
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when he went to saudi arabia. >> that's right. >> rose: when you look at this, does it look like by definition something he had carefully plafned sh in terms of the weapons he used, in terms of how he approached it, in terms of the number of people he killed. >> well, certainly, if he had gone to, before, which we have just heard, that looks like an element of planning. he went. he bought the ar-15. then he bought a handgun from the same store within a week's time. so clearly it is something that was in his head. i think we'll find, hopefully we'll find from his e-mails or whatever, more information about the run-up to this event. but the fact that he was able to go into this club and shoot and hit a hundred people is amazing. and it is a relatively short period of time. >> rose: and kill 49. >> kill 49, it's-- it's amazing that he was able to do that. we know he had training as a
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shooter, as a security guard. did he go to a range, did he practice before he did this, we don't know. but just horrific, the number of hits that he had in a relatively short period of time. >> rose: eric, what do we know? terms of-- the information about him as to motive. >> well, the biggest question mark seems to be the antigay hatred. and we asked the fbi director about this today. he says obviously that appears to be a motive but they don't have a lot of information so far about where exactly that stems from. it seems to be sort of a scattershot hatred of, as frank suggested, of diversity in general. whether or not he had a particularly in for gays as his father suggested with the scene of seeing two men kiss. or you know, could it have been
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anti-hispanic because this was latin night at the bar. i think the fbi is still in an early stage at looking at all of that. >> i just want to pick up on something that ray said, amazing its number of people that the gunman hit. not so amazing when you have an assault weapon at your disposal. and we sometimes skip over this because we have had this conversation so many times. but we really need once again as a country to ask the question of why it is so easy for people like this gunman to end up with assault weapons. and whether when we talk about the right to bear arms and whether we talk about the right to defend yourself whether we're talking about civilians, about every american being able to access assault weapons as opposed to something else. it is amazing that many people were killed. horrifying. amazing and horrifying that many other people were shot. is that not directly related to
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the type of weaponry at his disposal. >> sure. this type of weapon has an external clip. assuming 30 rounds, nobody has sume he had five.clips but let's he had to have at least a hundred rounds of ammunition with him to hit all the people he hit. you can reload very quickly. that's what really stand this weapon apart from other weapons, a hunting rifle, or whatever. is the fact that you load it from the bottom and you can have a 30 round trip. and it is a semi-automatic. it is pretty well, i think determined as a semi, he had a semi-automatic rifle. but you can pull the trigger very, very quickly and get those rounds out which he obviously did. >> it's worth pointing out that the ar-15 has been the weapon of choice in almost all of the recent mass shooting in america. and today we saw here in washington again the familiar debate over whether or not there should be increased gun restrictions and we'll see that over the next few weeks as a result of this. >> rose: matt, tell me what they are saying in terms of on the website of terrorist
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organizations, or in fact in the chat thary we may know about, in social media. >> we know that isis through its news agency essentially claimed credit for this, almost in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. calling mateen a fighter. it is interesting, you know, they have referred to other attackers using similar terms. the paris attackers as soldiers, the san bernardino attackers as supporters. this is the isis playbook, especially these attacks that really aren't linked back to isis in terms of isis controlling or directing, where they basically take credit for it. and then that spreads out on social media through twitter and the many twitter accounts associated with isis where isis' followers applaud this type of violence. so that is what is happening on social media today. >> rose: do we know anything more about the conversation that he had when he called 9/11 in
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the midst of the shooting. >> we know a little bit more today from the fbi director. the tapes themselves had not been released but the chronology from jim comey was that first he called about 2:30, about a half hour after he went in. he apparently had already begun shooting, called 911 and hung up. then called back and spoke briefly with the dispatcher, affirming his allegiance to isis, to the islamic state. hung up again fairly quickly. the dispatcher called him back a third time, so for a bit more, and then hung up again. so there was a total of three calls in which he pledged his allegiance to isis and to al baghdadi, the leader of isis. but of course we'll be waiting to see if and when those tapes are released for the full account. >> rose: this seems to be a different case, and help me to understand if i'm wrong, and we will have more information and more understanding of the mind of, and the inquirery of, in
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terms of social media, because of everything. he seemed in no interest to wipe out his record. >> apparently not, no. one of the things we're going to learn which i think is very important, a lot of attention is being paid right now to what the fbi looked at and then moved on from. and whether there was any flaw in that procedure. there were a lot of other people in this man's life who heard the way he talked. who observed his behavior. >> rose: two wives, a father. >> a and a coworker who has spoken extensively with the media who said he was continue allly lodging complaints to the bosses, if i have this correct, to the security company. i think we should all look very carefully at what we learn and ask ourselves questions about whether, you know, we're all paying the proper vij lens. whether we're listening carefully to and observing the things around us. >> rose: you are the commissioner of the new york city police department. you are the police chief in los angeles, san francisco, chicago or anywhere else in america, and you know this happened, part of the work is intelligence. and trying to figure out who is
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respect, part of it, respecting constitutional rights. what else? do police have to do now. >> part of what you have to do is sort of raise th comfort level, particularly with certain communities. obviously lgbt community. >> rose: do you have people today saying i'm scared to go out now. >> you have to meet with them. i think you have to put additional resources at key locations. i think you have to meet with other communities as well. obviously the muslim community. now in new york city there is an advisory board of leaders that police commissioner will meet with, other members of the department will meet with. but you will see, and you see already in new york, you will see a significant uniform presence on the streets. that's unlike other cities because new york quite frankly can afford it. it's the biggest police department in the country. so lots of communication. obviously plugging into intelligent channels. the nypd here and other cities
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worked very close with the fbi in the joint terrorism task force construct. as for the most information come frtion these days. so you know, you get any information you can. but you have to try to sort of comfort those communities more specifically concerned. >> rose: josh, everybody who is in the media in orlando this morning and yesterday and today and tonight and tomorrow, are talking to the victims. what are they lz saying about how they saw it and what happened and the experience, the horrific experience of having someone with the kind of firepower he did shooting as fast as he could. >> we have heard variations of the same thing, same theme over and over again today, charlie, that this gathering place where lgbt and basically lgbt yowlt had become a second home. it was a very popular club here.
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it was a place where we had several people actually describe it as a second home to us. and when the shots rang out, because human nature i suppose does not demand that we think the worst in that first moment, everybody processed the sounds of the initial shots being fired, as perhaps a part of the music that was still playing in the club at the time. but that shortly after the first volley of gunfire, the power was cut. and sci only imagine how exponentially more chaotic that scene became as people scrambled at 2:00 in the morning, perhaps having been there for hours, for exits they could or perhaps could not see. witnesses described moving to the left. and doing whatever they could to do it. whether they were crawling through what they would later discover as they look down at their own clothes was the blood
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of others or scaling the walls in the back of the club and pulling complete strangers to safety and having to run, as you know, the five blocks north up orange on their way to the hospital, the closest hospital which in fact was on lockdown and had to turn away a lot of people initially. so it was a chaotic scene to be sure. and it struck again so close to home, a literal description on the part of many others. i also want to talk about just one other thing. because i think once again as frank said, this is a conversation that we have had so many times. the role that mental illness may have played here. we have eard his ex-wife speak and say that he was very bipolar. again that is her opinion. i also had a chance to sit down last night with a childhood friend of his who called him from the very first when they were just friends as young boys. he said he was definitely. that he would go through periods
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of near silence, of severe reticence and suddenly would exclaim that he could-- there were violent streaks in him, although his friend did say he didn't see this sort of violence in his makeup. so that is also a discussion that is being had here today. >> rose: okay. let me just ask this question. this is the worst mass murderer in our history. but there have been others at different locations. we know the names of those places. will anything change as a result of this? >> god, i hope so. i really, really hope so. i hope we revisit the question of gun control. i think we must. there are sensible measures that we could take. we used to have an assault weapon ban. there are sensible measures we could take if we just found the political resolve. and if we fought through the obstacles. that needs to change. what was just said about mental illness goes back to what i said before about being observant and sensitive.
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there are people all around us who may need attention, who may need help. it's not a matter of vilifying them. it's a matter of making sure we don't have people unraveling before our very eyes and we're not looking at them carefully. so hopefully that will change too. >> rose: matt, go ahead. >> i say as far as guns here in washington, that it is unlikely that anything is going to change. i think to even hear that, the resignation in president obama's voice, the tragedy after tragedy, there is a push for instance a renewed ban on assault weapons or further gun restrictions, and it's inevitably blocked, belonged in congress with the backing of the nra. and i don't think anyone expects that to change even after this. >> what do you make of the presidential candidate's responses to this, eric? >> well, you see just the total political polarization over this issue with donald trump blaming the president for this and suggesting in some vague way
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that he was perhaps involved in some bizarre unspecified way. obviously hillary clinton is firmly on board and behind president obama on this one in terms of the need for further gun restrictions. like everything, it breaks into political camps. >> but there is a sense of the president knowing how hard he tried after newtown. and it came to nothing. there is. >> i think there is a feeling having covered a lot of gun debates here in washington that if newtown, the sandymook massacre as horrific as that was, was not enough to change anything, that perhaps nothing will. >> you know, charlie, when i was at the national counterterrorism center, we actually would see people who were on the no-fly list. this is the highest level of watch listing among the watch list. and somebody on the no-fly list, they can't get on an airplane in the united states. they could go out that same day and buy an assault weapon. and for those of us in the
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intelligence community watching this happen, watching these individuals, if was pretty disconcerting to know that that was something that couldn't be stopped. so it does seem to me that there is an opportunity to reraise that at least among the other gun regulation, gun control issues and see if something can't be done by that. >> rose: by simply saying if you are on the throw-fly list you can't buy a gun. >> seems pretty straight forward and simple to me. it is something we have raised and have raised over the past couple of years and seems like something ought to get done. >> that was proposed five, six months ago after san bernardino and it was voted down by republicans in congress, banning the so-called terror loophole. >> i think will you see changes, maybe around the edges. jim comey is a good man. he said today that he will re-examine the process. i think ten months is a relatively short period of time for an investigation in the federal government. perhaps there should be another category pending or whatever that you call it, when one of
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these preliminary investigations is done. and also that if, in fact, you've been investigated by the fbi, there should be some no taition in the database as far as hey, this individual has been investigated, even though there is the case has been closed, i think it would warrant at least an inquirery or a notice to the bureau before the gun itself is given to the individual. >> rose: and that's about as far as the justice department is willing to go today in talking to reporters is to say that maybe they will look at whether someone like mateen after he went into that store to buy the ar-15, whether that should have pinged someone at the fbi to say hey, a guy on your terror watch list just tried to buy an assault rifle. even that is not done now. they say they will look at doing that. but of course that purchase could not be stopped. >> rose: why is that not done? >> that gets into too many
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difficult 2 amendment issues and even that would of course have opposition from the nra. >> let's remember one other thing, one other thing that should change. let's remember who was targeted here. this was an lgbt nightclub. these were lgbt people. and let's be careful in our political discussions and our debates about the way we talk about lgbt americans. let's not, you know, when we are talking about these religious freedom laws quote unquote in the south that essentially legitimize discrimination. when candidates rail against same-sex marriage as something uninternational,-- unnatural, let's pause and think about what that says to many americans about a group being other and a group being lesser. >> rose: the climate it creates. >> let's remember this massacre. and who died when we're having those conversations and people who speak, you know, in a way that ostracizes and demeans and lessens lgbt americans. i hope this gives them pause. >> rose: but how do you create
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that pause other than looking at the horror of this incident, what can be done other than some kind of education process. some kind of a let's have a debate about this. let's have an understanding about this. let's understand what it can lead to if that kind of hate is expressed. >> exactly right. and we also, and you and i both know that some of the people who sometimes traffic in hateful language are doing it for political gain. and in their own lives they really don't feel that way. so pause before you put words like that out into the public square. >> rose: i throw this out to all of you in some-- will this have an impact on the presidential campaign? because people have said, you know, it's some terrible terroristic act came along, and i think they meant at that time when they expressed it, it could show affect the presidential campaign in the way that we used to talk about, quote, october sur prietions. >> one of the things that makes that so difficult to answer is what is the time, until this happened, i heard people had already stopped talking about san bernardino.
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you know. and one of the things that is so kind of gawling. >> one of the things that is so chilling and galling about this is so often, four weeks after something like this, eight weeks after something like, this it's exited the conversation. and we have moved on. so when things happen in the time line between now and november matters so much that it becomes an impossible question than the one you request. >> rose: eric, take the question i asked. any sense of response to that, whether this will simply confirm people and the beliefs that they had about guns, about hate, about all the issues that we're discussing today? >> well, we certainly have seen donald trump trying to claim a mantel of stronger candidate on national security. so he doubled down with that today in terms of calling for further restrictions on muslim, middle eastern nations. whether or not that will work i think is debatable. but certainly it will become an issue for at least the next month or two, whether that
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carries over into the fall, we'll have to see. >> rose: donald trump also raised the issue of the president refusing, to call it islamic radicalism. >> uh-huh. and hillary clinton was asked about that this morning on one of the talk shows. and she said you can call it radical islam. and she's fine with that. she wasn't going to let trump sorlt of bully her with that label. and she seems to be taking it a bit further than obama is comfortable in terms of is he man particular debate. >> in fact, donald trump said obama should resign if he continues to call it-- refusing to call islamic radicalism. >> correct. >> rose: but does this mean that there is a change in terms of hillary clinton on that idea of what terms we use? >> i think we have seen-- . >> rose: a newance change. >> i think you see a slight shift, yes. >> rose: final comments, josh, in orlando? >> in speaking to people here
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today but in really lessening to this very important discussion, i return to newtown. and i feel like a decision, a social decision that what happened at sandy hook elementary scoom was show bearable as a nation. and i fear, i guess, that once that was accepted a frank was saying, the events, the mass shootings that have followed have entered the discussion and left it with alarming frequent see and speed. and i think we perhaps all have to step back and decide really truly what do we accept as bearable. >> rose: matt? >> you know, this issue of home-grown extremism. this say threat we have been talking about for several years. and this obviously is the worst example yet. we talked about some of the things that we might be able to
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change for the better. i think there is also some danger that we overreact. and particularly in this political season, rhetoric that blames muslims as a whole or bars, seeks to bar muslims or people from arab countries from entering this country, really alienates those communities that we need to rely on in this country, and engender their trust so we can stop these types of attacks. there is real danger there, and something we need to guard against. >> eric. >> i think this is a big test for the fbi because you see here once again as you did after the boston marathon bombings, that you had a suspect who was on their radar, as the tsarnaev brothers were before the boston marathon bombings. and the fbi was unable to build a case under our judicial system to deter an attack. and it certainly raises questions about this whole counterterrorism model that has grown up since 9/11. >> rose: ray? >> well, i think the federal government has done a good job
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in protecting us. you look at the number of events, successful events we have had since 9/11, very small. unfortunately, we're going to see more of these. and if we see another event like this between now and the election, it's going to have a significant impact. >> you asked the unanswerable question about what the political impact would be. i would just say the last 24 hours have been very instructive and very illuminating. we have two candidates who reacted in very different ways and very considered ways. and i think it tells us a lot about who they are. and it gives americans a very clear choice of what they want. >> rose: one point i keep thinking about here is that we have to do more in understanding how people become self-radicalized. what is it online. what is the process. what is the connection between an individual here and an ideology there. that brings them together, an idea and a person, and leads to tragedy. the second point simply is if not this, what in the world will
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bring us together in terms of trying with great urgency to do more. thank you for joining us. we'll be back in a moment. here is the cbs evening news with scott pelley's report from orlando this evening. >> the death toll would have been much higher if not for this, the busiest, fully equipped trauma center in all of florida is two blocks from here, just three months ago, orlando regional medical centre practiced an active shooter mass casualty drill. today we spoke to six surgeons who saved lives. michael cheatham, chad wick smith, william haferon, mark levy, joseph ibrahim and matt lube. they saw 44 gun shotd patients at once. >> they brought the first patient in and then they brought another patient in and then they brought another patient in. and they said that there were
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possibly 20 more gun shot wound patients come in. at that point i called pie backup it was very chaotic. there were patients that were in pain. there were patients that were crying. there was staff that was very busy. but very task-oriented. >> we had gun shot wounds to the chest, gun shot wounds to the abdomen, to the eck dreamities. most fairly severe because of the high velocity project tiles. >> what do you mean by that? >> well, this was an assault rifle. and so this is a military weapon. so the bullets have a lot more energy to them, a lot more speed. and so they cause more tissue injury. >> there san individual who required multiple operations in the same 24 hour time period because of active ongoing bleeding. actually got operated on twice in the operating room and once in the icu. >> but you saved him. >> we did, yeah. >> are these gun shot wounds different than the kind of
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saturday night gun shot wounds you typically see? >> well, certainly they're different from what we used to call civilian gun shot wounds. which are typically slower bullets, smaller bullets. but increasingly we're seeing gun shot wounds from high velocity military-type weapons almost on a daily basis. so the injuries there this type of an injury is something we see every day, it's just not 44 patients pez. >> were the patients saying anything? >> some of them were crying. some of them were confused. and then the more critical patients obviously weren't saying anything. many people were asking whether their friends and where their loved ones were. >> of the surgeries that you performed, does any patient stick in your mind. >> i think they all stick in your mind. i mean after something this horrific going from operating room to operating room, from patient to patient, i don't think any of us will ever forget
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this. this is not something that goes away. >> we had hundreds of family members in the lobby of the hospital, all clammerring to d i think the thing that was. struck many of us is just the devastation to these families in not knowing for hours and hours. because so many of the victims were still inside the club. >> i was trying to put myself in their position, just not knowing. if their loved one was in the hospital or if their loved one was still at the nightclub. and you know, i just want to say that i'm proud that we were there to be there for them. and it's very humbling. >> when a horrific event like this happensk people around the world pause. they interrupt what they are doing and they think about what has happened and they ask themselves the questions we have been asking. it happened last night at the tonys. here is what james corden, the
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host, frank langella who won for best actor and lin-manuel miranda said at the 70th annual tony awards on sunday night drawk on cbs. >> good evening. all around the world people are trying to come to terms about the horrific events that took place in orlando this morning on behalf of the whole theater community, and every person in this room, our hearts go out to all of those affected by this atrocity. all we can say is you are not on your own right now. your tragedy is our tragedy. theater is a place where every race, creed, sexuality and gender is equal, is embraced and is loved. hate will never win. together we have to make sure of that. tonight's show stands as a symbol and a celebration of that principle. this is the tony awards.
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(applause) >> i'm not free styling, i'm too old. i wrote you a son et instead. my wife's the reason anything gets done. she nujs me towards promise by degrees. she say perfect symphony of one. our son is her most beautiful reprietion. -- reprice. we chase the melodies that seem to find us until they are finished songs and start to play. when senseless acts of tragedy remind us that nothing here is promised. not one day. the show is proof that history remembers. we live through times when hate and fear seem stronger. we rise and fall and light from dying embers, remembrances that hope and love lasts longer. and love is love is love is love is love is love is love is love cannot be killed, or swept aside i sing as a symphony eliza tells her story, now fill the world with music, love and pride. thank you so much for this. >> when i first came to new york
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in 1960 from school, i consulted an astrologer who told me that my greatest successes would come late in my career. i thought she meant 30. (laughter) but the fact of the matter is there really is no late in an actor's career. there is just the journey an there's just now. so it's rather ironic that i should be honored with this award for playing a man whose losing his now. whose losing his reality, as indeed my dear brother andrew is at the moment. i am-- there are so many names i wrote down today to thank you. but i hope they will forgive me if i bring in a dose of true reality. what happened today in orlando.
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and i found some words that i think will mean more to you than a litany of names. when something bad happens, we have three choices. we let it define us. we let it destroy us. or we let it strengthen us. today in orlando, we had a hideous dose of reality. and i urge you, orlando, to be strong. because i'm standing in a room full of the most generous human beings on earth. and we will be with you every step of the way. (applause) >> thank you. >> rose: and finally there is this evening what the president said today. he spoke to the terrible tragedy, he spoke about the efforts to do something. and he spoke about the pain that
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so many feel be at this hour. >> i just had the opportunity to get the latest briefing from fbi director comey as well as deputy attorney general yaits, and the rest of my national security team about the tragedy that took place in orlando. they're going to be doing a more extensive briefing around noon, just a little bit afternoon over at fbi headquarters. so i will allow them to go into all the details. but i thought it was important for you to hear directly from me. first of all, our hearts go out to the families of those who have been killed, our prayers go out to those who have been wounded. this is a devastating attack on all americans. it is one that is particularly painful for the people of orlando. but i think we all recognize
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that this could have happened anywhere in this country. and we feel enormous solidarity and grief on behalf of the families that have been affected. the fact that it took place at a club frequented by the lgbt community, i think, is also relevant. we're still looking at all the motivations of the killer. but it is a reminder that regardless of race, religion, faith or sexual orientation, we're all american. and we need to be looking after each other and protecting each other at all times, in the face of this kind of terrible act. with respect to the killer, there's been a lot of reporting that has been done. it's important to emphasize that we are still at the preliminary stages of the investigation. and there's a lot more that we
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have to learn. the one thing that we can say is that this is being treated as a terrorist investigation. it appears that the shooter was inspired by various extremists information that was di sem natured over the intervee-- internet. all those materials are currently being searched, exploited so we will have a better sense of the path rea-- pathway that the killer took in making a decision to launch this attack. as director comey i think will indicate, at this stage we see no clear evidence that he was directed externally. it does appear that at the last minute he announced allegiance to isil.
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but there is no evidence so far that he was, in fact, directed by isil. and there also at this stage is no direct evidence that he was part of a larger plot. in that sense it appears to be similar to what we saw in san bernardino. but we don't yet know. and this is part of what is going to be important in terms of the investigation. as far as we can tell right now, this is certainly an example of the kind of home-grown extremism that all of us have been so concerned about for a very long time. it also appears that he was able to obtain these weapons legally because he did not have a criminal record that in some ways would prohint him from purchasing these weapons. it appears that one of those weapons he was able to carry out of the store, a assault rifle, a
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handgun, a glock which had a lot of clips in it he was apparently required to wait for three days under florida law. but it does indicate the degree to which it was not difficult for him to obtain these kinds of weapons. director comey will discuss the fact that there had been some investigation of him in the past that was triggered. but as director comey i think will indicate, the fbi followed the procedures that they were supposed to and did a proper job. at the end of the day, this is something that we are going to have to grapple with, making sure that even as we go after isil, and other extremist organizations overseas, even as we hit their leadership and even as we go after that
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infrastructure, even as we take key personnel off the field, even as we disrupt extreernl-- external plots, that one of the biggest challenges we are going to have is this kind of propaganda and per versions of islam that you see generated on the internet. and the capacity for that to seep into the minds of troubled individuals or weak individuals. and seeing them motivated them to take actions against people here in the united states and elsewhere in the world that are tragic. and so counter countering this extremist ideology is increasingly going to be just as important as making sure that we are disrupting more extensive plots engineered from the outside. we are also going to have to make sure that we think about
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the risks we are willing to take by being so lax in how we make very powerful fire arms available to people in this country. and this is something that obviously i talked about for a very long time. you know, my concern is that we start getting into a debate as has happened in the past, which is an either/or debate. and the suggestion is either we think about something as terrorism and we ignore the problems with easy access to fire arms, or it's all about fire arms and we ignore the role, the very real role that organizations like isil have in generating extremist views inside this country. it's not an either/or, it's a both and. we have to go after the
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terrorist organizations and hit them hard. we have to counterextremism. but we also have to make sure that it is not easy for somebody who decides they want to harm people in this country to be able to obtain weapons to get at them. and you know, my hope is that over the next days and weeks that we are being sober about how we approach this problem, that we let the facts get determined by our investigators, but we also do some reflection in terms of how we can best tackle what is going to be a very challenging problem. not just here in this country but around the world. again my final point is just to extent our deepest sympathies to the families of those affected and to send our prayers to those who are surviving.
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and are in hospitals right now, their family members hoping that they get better very soon. but in the mean time, you can anticipate sometime around noon that director comey and deputy tore general yaits will provide you with a more full briefing, okay? >> well, i think we don't yet know the motivation. but here is what we do know. is organizations like isil or organizations like al-qaeda, orthos who have perverted islam and created these radical nilistic vicious organizations, one of the groups that they target are gays and lesbians because they believe that they
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do not abide by their attitudes towards sexuality. now we also know these are organizations that think it's fine to take captive women and enslave them and rape them. so, they're clearly are connections between the attitudes of an organization like this and their attitudes towards tolerance and plur allism and a belief that all people are created equally, regardless of sexual orientation. that is something-- women is threatening to them, women being empowered is threatening to them. so yes, i'm sure we will find that there are connections regardless of the particular motivations of this killer, there are connections between
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this vicious bankrupt ideology and general attitudes eowards gays and lesbians. and unfortunately that is something that the lgbt community is subject to not just by isil but by a lot of groups that purport to speak on behalf of-- around the world. >> rose: thank you for spending this time with us. i thank the guests that joined us at the table and in washington. we will see you tomorrow. >> for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlie rose.com.
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