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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc , ll >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: the focus is on our pocketbooks, with the latest jobs numbers, wh compare the presidential candidates' approaches to the economy. then, combating the wave of children soldiers being recruited by isis, while dealini with the trauma left in the terror group's wake. >> ( translated ): he was telling me all the time i will be a suicide bomber, and he is so happy, but he didn't knowso what it meant. this is what scared me. >> woodruff: and it's friday. david brooks and ruth marcus take on another week of political rollercoasters. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.
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and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: it's been just one week since the democratic convention ended, and hillary clinton has surged to big leads over republican donald trump, in virtually every national poll. today new numbers put her ahead by as much as 15 points, and found her trying to win over doubters. hillary clinton ended the week on a high note, but she acknowledged today that many voters say they still don't trust her. she spoke to black and hispanic journalists in washington. >> it doesn't make me feel good when people say those things, and i recognize that i have work to do. i'm going to work my heart out in this campaign, and asai president to produce results for people. >> woodruff: at the same time, w clinton secured a majorcl endorsement from former acting
c.i.a. director mike morell. he wrote in "the new york times" that donald trump has noha experience in national security, and worse yet: morell said trump's praise of russian president vladimir putin suggests he's become "anan unwitting agent" of the russians. but on nbc this morning, republican vice presidential nominee, mike pence dismissed the morell endorsement. >> truthfully, honestly the comment by the former c.i.a.c. official, i suppose this is the same c.i.a. that told theol president that isis was the j.v. team. >> woodruff: the back and forth came as trump admitted he'd been mistaken in saying he'd seen video of iranians unloading aad u.s. cash payment this year-- around the same time four americans were freed from iranian prisons.s. today, trump tweeted:
later, trump and pence linked up in des moines, iowa, as they work to rally the heartlandwo against clinton. >> if hillary clinton becomes president, you will have-- you will have terrorism, you will have problems, you will have really in my opinion, the destruction of this country from within. >> woodruff: trump also holds ad rally in green bay, wisconsin this evening, amid reports he's about to reverse himself, and endorse house speaker paul ryan in his primary election, after all. but intra-party divisions wills still be on display, with wisconsin's top republican officials-- ryan, u.s. senator
ron johnson, and governor scott walker-- all planning to be somewhere else, instead. in the day's other news: july proved to be a healthy month for hiring by u.s. employers. the labor department reports ant net gain of 255,000 jobs for the month. the unemployment rate stayed at 4.9%, as more people entered th% work force and nearly all were hired. we'll take a deeper look at thee economy-- in this presidential campaign year-- right after the news summary. the jobs report gave wall street a big boost. leading to their biggest gains in almost a month.os the dow jones industrial average gained 191 points to close at 18,543. the nasdaq rose nearly 55 points and the s&p 500 added 18. r authorities in chicago released video today from the fatal shooting of a black teenager by police last week. paul o'neal was mortally wounded during a car chase.se the clips show police firingsh multiple times at the speeding
car, then chasing o'neal on foot. officers can be heard saying they thought they'd been shot at first, but no gun was found. in south africa, tonight: the ruling african national congress is facing its worst electoral defeat since it ended white- minority rule in 1994. results from local elections show the group losing control of the city of port elizabeth, and possibly of johannesburg and pretoria. it's driven by a poor economy and alleged corruption. >> ( translated ): you saw how the a.n.c. performed in the township here. nothing seems to progress, but go and see how they stay in top hotels, and at the end of the day they give us t-shirts and no service delivery. >> woodruff: these local result> could foreshadow trouble for the a.n.c. in national elections, coming in 2019. there's word that islamic stated fighters have captured somete 3,000 villagers in northern iraq.
the u.n. refugee agency reports that it happened thursday as the refugees were trying to reach shelter in kirkuk. u.n. officials say isis militants are using the iraqis as human shields against attacks by government forces. and it's officially opening night at the summer olympics inn brazil. the run-up in rio de janeiro has been marked by political and economic turmoil, and worries about zika and pollution. even today, the olympic torch was forced to detour after thousands of protesters blocked the copacabana beach boulevard.a they were calling for the interim president's removal. still to come on the newshour: contrasting the presidential candidates' plans to boost the economy, children recruited into brutal isis missions, hillary clinton's statements on the email investigation in context, and much more.
>> woodruff: today's u.s. jobs report was largely seen as a solid one, and in many respects better than economists had predicted. for the year so far, the economy is gaining about 185,000 jobs aj month. but for many americans who have seen slow wage growth for years, the recovery doesn't feel like one, and both presidential nominees are speaking to that. donald trump has proposed tax cuts across the board-- including for the wealthy--as well as new tariffs and escalating battles over trade. trump will be laying out more about his proposals on monday, but he told voters in ashburn, virginia this week that his ideas would boost the economy. >> this is the third straight quarter that the economy has grown under 2%. and is the single weakest, weakest of any economic expansion in more than 70 years. household incomes are more than
$4,000 lower than their levels in the year 2000. think of it, you're going to be making $4,000 less now than you did 16 to 17 years ago. another one that's very common and out there, people-- many people in this room-- but people are making, in terms of real wages, less money today than they made 18 years ago. and they're working two jobs in many cases. >> woodruff: for her part, hillary clinton has also tried to address economic anxiety andi persistent concerns over stagnation. her plan is quite different: she's been making the case at her rallies for an agenda that includes tax hikes on the wealthiest, a higher minimum wage nationwide, and new tuition aid in higher education.ed in las vegas yesterday, she joined senator harry reid and s called for a big boost in spending on infrastructure. >> we are going to create more good jobs with rising incomes,
we're going to have the biggest investment in new jobs that we've had since world war ii. now how are we gonna do that? well, number one, we are gonna do exactly what harry said: we are going to have an investmentt in infrastructure: our roads, our tunnels, our bridges, our ports, our airports. for every billion dollars, we get 47,500 jobs. and they are mostly good, union jobs with a good, middle-class income. >> woodruff: let's look deeper into what the candidates are proposing, as part of our coverage on looking more closely at the issues. jared bernstein is an informalal adviser to the clinton campaign, a former economic adviser to vice president biden, and now a the center on budget and policy priorities. stephen moore is a senior economic adviser to the trump campaign, and a fellow at the heritage foundation. he's a former member of the editorial board of "the wall street journal."
and we welcome both of you back to the program. stephen moore, let me start with you. i want to get from both of you your quick take on today's jobs report. on the surface, most of the reaction, stephen moore, has been this is positive, 255,000 jobs in the month of july, butt donald trump painting a dark picture here. what's your take? >> i think he's paint ago realistic picture. with incomes, the census bureau recently reported the median family in america, part of the middle class, has actually lostt income during this recovery. r we haven't ever seen a recovery sips the great depression where duringr recovery, people lost income. but by the way, if you're losing income, you are in a personal recession, so a lot of people don't think there is been much of a recovery at all. the other recent statistics in recent days was the 1% growth rate for the last six months.. that's a dreadful number and, look, the other thing is just
ask the american people how thee feel about the economy, be confident about it, your own personal finances and all those statistics show people are extremely concerned and financially stressed out. >> woodruff: let me get yourna take on the jobs report, and if you want to respond to what he just said, jared bernstein.r >> it's a positive jobs report, another in a series of those reports. the unemployment rate 4.9% is low, and while stephen was talking about numbers that go up to 2014, the most recent census bureau number, if you actually look more recently, you find wages growing and not just growing at the middle in real terms adjusted for inflation, but growing more quickly at the bottom because a lot of states have increased minimum wages. sog steve's data is a little out of date. the long term picture, i thinkpi donald trump went to year 2000, you will find structural problems in the economy that persisted and i put them under the rubric of inequality.
g.d.p. has grown but not enough growth reached the middle classs that's the message you will hear from both candidates. >> there is been the biggestge increase in equality has been in the last seven years which is erratic because donald trump made income inequality a big issue. if you look at what they call -- if you look at what happens in the top 1% and everybody else, inequality has gone up. >> inequality's raised since 2007. >> the top 10% have done well, the 90% not that much. even bernie sanders says that. >> the job market has actually generated real wage gains in recent months, really over the past few quarters. that's not enough to make up for -- >> woodruff: let me ask you both, i want to get to the proposals by these two candidates. stephen moore to you first on jobs. hillary clinton is talking about a major jobs program creating
jobs mainly we heard her say through infrastructure. 10.4 million jobs, she says, we're going to see. what's wrong with that plan? >> hillary's plan? yes. it sounds very familiar. talks about raising the minimum wage, more shovel-ready projects for infrastructure and more taxes increased on the rich. gee, where have we heard that before? exactly what obama came in with seven and a half years ago andea we've seen the results and it hasn't worked. jared was there.re he was part of the stimulus plan, one of the biggest wastes of money in the country and we have $8 trillion of debt to show for it. >> woodruff: a waste of money?n e could definitely redebate the stimulus plan. i think it's widely agreed upono by economists of all stripes that -- >> not only conservative. >> woodruff: let's let him -- and that was instrumentalt getting us into recovery.ry when it comes to the kind of agenda hillary clinton is talking about, it'sda actually
structured to do precisely what needs to be done in the context of our conversation, which iswh help the middle class reconnect to the growing economy. we have g.d.p. growth. i agree it's too slow, but we're doing better than most other advanced economies, and in order to make that growth reach thee middle class, we're going to have to make the kinds of investments she's talking about, whether college, pre-school, raising the minimum wage, green investment infrastructure, thesr are the connective tissue kinds of ideas that will help. what won't help and here i want to engage steve on this is a tax cut that's heavily tilted towards the wealthy.we what that will do is further exacerbate the inequality problem and take away the revenues we need to make the investments that have to be forthcoming. >> woodruff: what is donald trump's answer for jobs, for making sure more people have good-paying jobs? >> the harder plan is businessi tax cut, taking america from
having the highest business tax rate in the world to one of the lowest, and everyone agrees we must do this except barack obama and hillary clinton.l not just big businesses, but also small businesses from the career corner grocer to the start-up in silicon valley. >> woodruff: all the way up the income scale? >> we're talking businesses.al for businesses. where do new jobs come from? healthy businesses. without healthy businesses, you're not going to get jobs.ob the evidence is very clear that when businesses invest more and if you look in the last year, this is maybe the killer statistic of the economy, businesses are not investing, it's negative in the last year. when they invest more, wages go up. that's the key. >> look at the plan steve just described. to me, it solves the following problem -- american corporations, american multi-nationals aren't rich enough. the corporate sector isn't doingg well enough. that's the problem these guys
seem to be trying to solve. by the way the team announced today is all guys. >> woodruff: in the trump economics team. >> the trump economics team. none of thatno helps the middle class. you can cut corporate taxes all day but what we've seen in the last ten years is corporate profitability, one sector of the economy is doing extremely well but that growth isn't reaching the middle class.e how do you conclude that what we need to do is be even kinder to our corporations and cut their taxes further? it it seems to me completely upside down. d >> this is a distinction between those on the left and right. l it is true corporations are profitable. they have become lean and efficient. it's amazing corporations can make money in this environment but they do. most economists agree they're sitting on their balance sheets with $2 trillion. what's not2 happening to grow e economy is they're not investing in plant, equipment, computers.o those are the kinds of things you need if you want jobs.
and you ask them why they aren't investing. they sayt two things, the taxes are too high and the regulations are strangling them. we've seen businesses move out of the united states. you've reported on this, burger king, johnson controls, walgreen's -- >> i agree with some of that. i. very much agree with this point that we're not seeing the kind of business investment record that we should, but it has nothing to do with taxes and regulations and, in fact, the cost of borrowing is the lowest it's been. >> try getting a loan. i'm talking about the after-tax costs.te so it can't possibly be that somehow boosting this process by lowering taxes further. if the private sector is failing to invest the way we need, the public sector must pick up the slack and that's why the infrastructure idea you hear h hillary clinton talking about, it's part of the 100-day plan, hit the ground running witha a deep dive into infrastructure investment, that will solve a
lot of what's ailing us. >> woodruff: we'll come back to this time and again over the course of this election but you've gotten us started tonight. thank you very much.k stephen moore and jared bernstein, thank you. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the newshour: david brooks and ruth marcus take on the week's news. plus, a wild saga recounts the 1970s kidnapping of american heiress patty hearst. but first, for centuries, children have been used as weapons of war. today's conflict in syria is no exception. isis has recruited and exploited children in syria and iraq, using them as soldiers, informants and executioners. newshour special correspondent marcia biggs brings us a profile of one former isis child solder, and his deep emotional scars.ca
and a warning: this report contains material that may be disturbing to some viewers. >> reporter: the images are all over the internet. children growing up in the rankr of armed groups in the war in syria. this child in an isis propaganda video beheads a syrian regime soldier. these children execute captured soldiers in the ancient city of palmyra. according to a study published by georgia state university, it's a phenomenon that's playing out on all sides of the conflict with almost 1,000 children in the last three years showing upa in online eulogies, calling kids martyrs, having died for the cause. and those are only the ones whose videos made it to the internet. riad al najm represents one of only a handful of small locall organizations trying to combat this problem inside syria, visiting families one by one. >> in some areas, the main
reason for child recruitment is poverty. parents can't find food for their children, so they push them into armed groups to get money and food. in other areas, it's about culture. parents consider that their children have become men, and they should carry weapons. it's not acceptable for a child of his cousin holding a weapon and he's not. >> reporter: in idlib province, activists from the group children not soldiers hang signs and spray paint graffiti to create awareness. the u.n. has a campaign of the same name, but has not yet been able to gain a foothold here. fighting recruitment of children is an uphill battle within a brutal war. and no activists can work in highly radicalized areas, where a sinister form of manipulation is used as ammunition. we met ibrahim and his mother rania in a hotel in southern turkey, they were too afraid of isis sleeper cells to meet
elsewhere. we can't show you their faces. before the revolution, ibrahim loved math and dreamed of beingo an aeronautical engineer. his father was killed by a sniper in 2012, leaving his mother alone with three children. ibrahim was 13 years old when isis took his town of deir ezzour, and enlisted him and hi friends. >> ( translated ): they started to recite verses from the koran, speeches from mohammed, they said they were the real islamic state and would fulfill all the obligations of islam. they came to us and said you will be martyrs and you will earn paradise and virgins. >> reporter: he says he began ah an informer, and then graduated to weapons training. >> ( translated ): they had me to be a rat for the people who smoked, who didn't go to mosque, they forced me to follow the t women who didn't wear the right clothes and bring them from the street. sometimes they brought captive
soldiers, and they told us if you want to kill any of these prisoners you are allowed toto kill them. >> reporter: his mother says isis began a form of brainwashing. >> ( translated ): he thought he became a man. the told him this will make you a real man and you will enteral paradise. leave everything behind you and follow us and we we'll take care of everything, we will take care of your family. >> reporter: do you think he y felt proud? >> ( translated ): yes, at the beginning, yes, he was veryg, happy, now he's a man and he's learning about weapons, but he didn't know the consequences ofs these actions. >> reporter: they say he nevery hurt anyone, but his snitching had deadly consequences when the punishment for even small crimel can be death. >> ( translated ): all the children, they forced them to watch beheadings, even if they cut the head of a father, theyth made the child watch. >> reporter: how did you feel when you heard that your son was forced to watch a publich execution? >> ( translated ): i wanted to have a plane to take my familyo and fly away.aw
i can't handle this. a person can't live this way. they brainwashed my child. they told him the way to paradise is through us. he tried to get out of it byt telling them i am the eldest son. they told him come join us and we will take care of your family. but they're lying. they don't give anyone anything. but he gravitated to them. >> reporter: rania says isis fighters came to the door every morning and her son would disappear for eight or nine hours per day. >> he was attracted to them, he started to think like them to think their way. if he stayed home, they would come and take him and i couldn't say no. i couldn't control him. >> reporter: did you feel like you were losing your boy? >> ( translated ): yes. >> reporter: what was your worst fear?r: >> ( translated ): i was afraidd they would take him like they
took many children, young people and he will not come back. many friends and relatives off mine, their children were taken to battles and they didn't come back. >> reporter: rania finally>> decided to flee with her familyt ending up here in a border town in southern turkey.ke but she couldn't keep her son from contacting isis back home. after two months, ibrahim announced he was returning to syria to be a fighter. >> ( translated ): i threatened them. i told them i'll do this, you will wake up in the morning, and you will not find me in the house. for me it was impossible to leave them, it was my way to force them to come. >> reporter: going and fighting with isis was more importantmo than you family. >> ( translated ): yes, it was stronger and i was controlled by them completely. >> reporter: rania says she had to make the most difficult decision of her life to return to syria. >> ( translated ): i had to do it. the only choice i had was to keep him under my eyes.un before we left the first time,
he was all the time telling me i will be a suicide bomber and he was so happy, but he didn't know what it meant. this is what scared me. >> reporter: once they got back, ibrahim did put his name on a list to be a suicide bomber, with other children as young as 12 years old. but eventually he became disillusioned. >> ( translated ): we really wanted to become suicide bombers, and we put our names ot the list. but then we saw what happened to the people that came before us, no one took care of their families. so we took our names off theso list. >> reporter: no longer trusted, ibrahim was imprisoned for several days, and what he saw sealed his disillusionment. >> ( translated ): i saw people tortured, hanged from their hands for 40 days, one was crucified upside down, hanged from their legs. what i've seen in prison, i've seen how they tortured people in a cruel way, no limits to the torture.
the sight of young children playing with the severed heads, these sights will make this generation a cruel generation. >> reporter: finally, rania was able to convince him to leave again, and they endured another dangerous and arduous journeys back to turkey. and just as we were sitting down with ibrahim and his mother, we found cellphone video of this boy, only 12 years old, he says isis trained him for 15 days and then took him and eight other boys to the front line in mara'a. in a battle with the free syrian army, he is the only one of theh boys who lived. now, he is a prisoner of war, but still bargains like a child. >> ( translated ): just let me out. i won't go back to isis. >> reporter: it's a fate ibrahim narrowly avoided, and with no psychological help for her son, rania still worries. >> ( translated ): every night,
i cry myself to sleep. i took the mobile phone away from him. h now he uses only my phone and i see everything that he does. >> reporter: here in southern turkey we weren't able to find any substantive programs to deal with children like ibrahim coming out of radicalized areas. but we did find small places like this center, where the imam says he's trying to teach theseg kids what he calls the real islam. what kind of trauma are you seeing, and how do you help them? >> ( translated ): by taking care of them, being nice to them, loving them, trying tory integrate them into their community, to give them what they were missing in syria, they will come back to normal step by step.ep >> reporter: the imam and his staff may be doing the best they can, but some of these kids are severely traumatized. we spoke with this 13-year-old girl about the horrors she witnessed. >> ( translated ): in ramadan): they found someone who is not fasting, they will put him unden the sun, cover him with honey,
and leave them outside for the wasps. >> reporter: we didn't see any older children, ibrahim's age,e even though we had been told children were coming here to be rehabilitated. >> ( translated ): the ones we are teaching now are very young. they didn't get to the age which the terrorist organizations would be interested in them. those who are old enough to be members of terrorist organizations are mostly dead, because the terrorist organization kill them or send them to the front line to die. >> reporter: too old to be considered a kid still worth saving, yet having escaped the fate of most boys his age, ibrahim is in a vacuum.a but he says he will never gol back to isis. >> ( translated ): it's impossible that i would go back to them. i am against them now. and i would join anyone who is fighting against them.an >> reporter: you're just a kid though. do you want to just be a kid? be in school, play football? >> ( translated ): yes, ofat course, but after all we have seen, after all the torture i saw in prison, all the kids they killed, we don't have any other options.
>> reporter: he may have escaped, but the effects of the cruelty remain. and he and his mother walk off into a future where they are completely on their own. for the pbs newshour, i'm marcia biggs in sanliurfa, southern turkey. >> woodruff: and now, the latest installment in our "candidates in context series," where we go behind the headlines to explaini what's happening, and why. tonight, the latest back-and-t forth over hillary clinton's private email server. lisa desjardins has that. >> reporter: two years in on hillary clinton's emails, whatai was new today? an important change in her words about truth. and specifically on this statement she made sunday about f.b.i. director james comey, ano her email.
>> director comey said that my answers were truthful, and that what i said is consistent with what i've told the americand people. >> reporter: okay, now her words today. >> director comey had said that my answers in my f.b.i. interview were truthful.ie that's really the bottom line here. >> reporter: the difference: these words before, clinton had implied that comey backed up all of herp statements, not just what she said behind closed-doors. she seemed to admit a mistake. >> i may have short circuited it and for that i will try to clarify. >> reporter: in fact, last month comey testified that some things clinton said before congress an in public were false. >> secretary clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her e-mails, either sent or received. was that true? >> that's not true. there were a small number of portion markings on, i think, three of the documents. >> reporter: in other words, clinton's statements that nothing on her server was marke classified were wrong. which brings us to another thing about today's comments, what we know about the emails.
clinton estimated 60,000 to 70,000 e-mails went through her private server when she was secretary of state. about half were deleted-- she- says they were personal. looking at the rest-- some 30,000-- the f.b.i. found 110 that contained information classified at the time. that is different than clinton's original assertion. >> there is no classified material, so i'm certainly well aware of the classification requirements.en >> reporter: later, she added the phrase "marked": classified. >> i never sent or received any material marked "classified." >> reporter: so back to the emails, of those 110 that had classified information, the f.b.i. says three did contain classified markings. but clinton points out today that those marks -- the letter c-- were lower in the documents >> in questioning, director
comey made the point that the three emails out of the 30,000t didn't have the appropriate markings. and it was therefore reasonable to conclude that anyone-- including myself-- would have not suspected that those emailsh were classified. >> reporter: did comey say that? >> i think it's possible-- possible that she didn't understand what a "c" meant when she saw it in the body of the e- mail like that. >> reporter: that leaves two questions. was hillary clinton truthfulcl when she said none of her emails were marked classified? no. three out of 30,000 were marked classified.. and did she intentionally lie to congress about that? that is a matter for debate, i comey has not ringed in. but republicans in the house have asked the f.b.i. to investigate. for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa desjardins. >> woodruff: and that brings us to the analysis of brooks and b marcus. that's "new york times" columnist david brooks andok "washington post" columnist ruth marcus.. mark shields is away.
hello to both of you. so we're going to get to hillary clinton and the e-mails in justn a moment.st david, let me start with donald trump and the rough week that he's had. how do you size ithe up? i don't know even know where to begin, whether with the khan family or something else.s what do you see when you look back at this week for donald trump? >> let's stick withna the top 10 and that will limit our time. (laughter) i think the significant thing is the shift not so much in trump personalities, he's been doing this kind of stuff a lot, concentrated this week, but the shift in the polls. finally, if you have 47 bad weeks in a row, week 47 people begin to notice. this is not the first time we have beenwe saying this will hut him and it hasn't, but now he's hurting, not only in the post-convention bump for theum democrats but sustained support. clinton is up 6, 7% if you average the polls. but the significant thing, state
polls, and what's trump's support in the crucial states? and he's at 36, 38% in a lot of these states, new hampshire, too, and if he's that low and you're trying to imagine him rising 13 points by election day, that's super hard to imagine in all the states unless something big happens. so this is the week that the polls really shifted and the whole nature of the race shifted as a result.t. >> woodruff: ruth, we know it's early, but these polls numbers don't look good. what led to this for donald trump? >> donald trump led to this fors donald trump. he took a bad week last week when hillary clinton had an excellent convention and he, seems like ages ago now, made that good convention even more problematic for him by encouraging russian hacking into her e-mails.ai then he had a week, like david you don't know where to start, i've never seen a week in
politics where a candidate ine the course of a single week inflicted more damage on himself than normal politicians do in the course of not just a regulag campaign but the course of an entire career. he picked fights with everybodys he picked fights with a baby. he picked fights with a speaker of the house. he found himself splitting from his own vice president, and he just doesn't -- we've talked for a while about donald trump and the pivot, and the whole republican party has been waiting for pivot.fo i have been stealing a line from my colleagues alexander here, but waiting for pivot withit donald trump is like waiting for goodell, it's not going to come, and david is exactly right, thit is the week when the polls started to catch up with the reality and i think what's happening here is we're not in the primary campaign anymore, we're really in the general election season, and these missteps to be kind about them really do start to have a
cumulative impact. >> woodruff: so david brooks, are these the kind of missteps that can't be undone? is that what you're saying?y >> well, i do think they're not missteps in a way because they're not errors, they're him. i do think we've seen -- we've seen this all along from two things, one, encompassty for empathy.em a normal person looks at mrs. khan and sees a woman in deep pain and has an instinct of response of admiration and respect and dignity and respond in the same way and he's shown as encompassty for that for a long time and the encompassty to control his own attention and say things that are inappropriate for a politician and human being and you get trains of thought that go on that a word sparks a thought and sparks a thought and it gives the impression of someone not in control of their own attention span. so these are characterlogical
and that sent shivers through the republican party and the subject of debate, not did he make a mistake but this is in a sense who he is. >> woodruff: a lot of people may be coming to that conclusion but others are still sticking with donald trump. >> sure, like he told us he can -- donald trump supporters are donald trump supporters, and they have stuck with him through a lot of things. as he told us, he could shoot somebody in the middle of fifth avenue and it would not dissuade them. but you can win the republican nomination with 10 million voters, 13 million voters, notot general election, you need 65 million voters for thes general election, that's his problem. when you take an electorate where he's alienated big chunks of it, right, african-americans not for trump, a huge swath of the hispanic community not for trump. women who make up half the electorate, it was minor.
he made dismissive comments about daughter being sexually harassed saying she should just find another job, and you are left with a shrinking poll of voters to win the election with. i know why the republican parties has shivers up their spine. what putei shivers up my spine with donald trump this week is the suggestion that if he loses the election will be rigged.ig i don't think there is evidence of that and that is not theth american way of losing elections. when al gore lost the election and the supreme court ruled against him in 2000, he issued a gracious statement about how it was thent time for healing.e donald trump in 2012 was tweeting about the need for revolution when mitt romney lost. so i'm very nervous about what could happen, not just if donald trump wins but if he loses.o >> woodruff: david brooks, there presumably are someom americans that think an election like this could be rigged. do we think that's why donald
trump raised that? >> well his campaign, i think he's still the wrong answer to a right problem.m the people who support him, some have racist tendencies, some sexist and some ugliness but a loft them support him for good reasons and we shouldn't dismiss the support and he raised $82 million in the recent period so there is real fervent support there. and there are people who have lost faith in the system and america and the thought if i do a, i bet b, that the norm chain of responsibility is working for them. so ruth is right, they couldey take a look at election defeat and decide the whole system is rigged and their level of cynicism could go up another notch if that sin named and that's a thing ruth is talking about. if he would just go away, republicans would have an option. but i think they can noli longeg
sustain the position they have which is really i have contempt for that trump action and statement but i still support the dpievment that's becoming much more untenable for them and they have to think of a plan b. >> woodruff: that's the question i wanted to ask both of you. ruth, how long can a number of republicans who say i disagree with him on a number of things but i'm still going to support him because i don't like hillary clinton? >> well, the ones up for reelection are in a very exquisitely difficult situation because there is a group of core republican party voters who are punish them if they divorce themselves from trump, but there is a group of voters in thehe middle who will punish them if they don't divorce themselves from trump. so i'm thinking of senator kelly ayote in new hampshire, she wase in a difficult race against the governor there, maggie hasan, for reelection. what's kelly ayote to do?
so you have leaders of the congressional wave whoingoi eventually will come up and you started to see it this week come up with a plan b much like with bob dole in 1996 which is to say, okay, you don't like trump voters, but keep us republicans in charge to keep a check on that dangerous president in thee senate and the house.ou >> woodruff: i want to turn to hillary clinton. we heard lisa desjardins' report sort of dissecting what hillaryl clinton said today and in the past about these e-mails. otherwise, hillary clinton has been a pretty quiet figure over the last week or so. she's been the beneficiary of trump's problems but how much does this lingering set of questions around the e-mailsar stand to hurt her? >> her best move, given what trump has been doing in the last week or two, is just to be boring, and she has the capacity to do that. so she's been laying low. i think we're parsing how many
e-mails, where the c was on the email and lisa laid it out as to what happened, but i think the damage is in the idea of having a separate server, that the basic fact of the situation was she was playing outside the rules, she has this strong distrust of the system at large, and, therefore, she's building walls around herself and e-mails and her communication and, so, the secretiveness and the incommunicativeness thatin surrounded her the last couple of decades is at the core of the scandal. not exactly how many servers she had or what she said at the press conference.pr >> woodruff: how do you see it? >> i'm going to be harder one hillary clinton than david because there was the original sin of not having a regular state department email and the separate server, but then there is the second sin or i would call it just political malpractice of her inability/refusal to come up
with an honest, credible, consistent, nonparsing explanation for what's going on g here. so she took a bad situation and she has consistently and almost every time she has addressed this situation, made it worse instead of making it better, and it just goes to what has always been her biggest weakness, which is that honesty and trustworthiness, they started out with a problem and keptp digging that hole. >> woodruff: so, david, what kind of damage are we talking about for her? have we already seen the maximum damage this issue could do to her?r? could it grow? >> i think we're in the petering-down phase of it and she's distrusted and is distrusted largely. people think she can lie, she's insular and is not the most super likable person in the political landscape and it's keeping her numbers pretty low. i talked about how low trump's
numbers are in a lot of these states, hers are significantlyg hiring but they're not where barack obama or george bush or ronald reagan would be. she just happens to be an unpopular politician running against a guy that's super unpopular. >> super unpopular and super incapable of containing himself. if someone locked donald trumpld in a room and took away his cell phone, what would we have been talking about? e-mails and hillary clinton's interviews. instead we were talking about thein khans and everything elsen >> woodruff: and may be more to talk about next week. >> there most certainly will.ll >> woodruff: ruth marcus, david brooks, thank you both. >> woodruff: finally tonight, revisiting a strange kidnapping saga that captured the nation's attention at a dark period of
the '70s. jeffrey brown has the latest edition of our newshoursh bookshelf. >> brown: on february four, 1974 19-year-old patty hearst,t, grandaughter of publishing titan william randolph hearst, was kidnapped from her home in berkeley, california by members of a radical group that called itself the symbionese liberatioh army. it was an event that riveted the nation, even more so when not long after her abduction it began to look as though hearst might have joined the group. in april, she took part in a bank robbery. hearst was captured in september, 1975. six members of the s.l.a. were killed in a gun battle with police in los angeles. she served almost two years in prison before her sentence was commuted by president carter. she later received a full pardon from president clinton. the incredible story is told anew in "american heiress: the wild saga of the kidnapping,
crimes and trial of patty hearst." and author jeffrey toobin, staff writer at "the new yorker" and legal analyst for cnn, joins men now. welcome. >> good to be here. >> brown: i want to begin where you do.u it's the strangeness of this period, the early 1970s, the violence that was almost routint in the country at that time that is difficult to even remember.mb >> think about one fact. one fact alone. a thousand political bombings a year in '72 through '74, almost inconceivable. that's what the world was like. sky jackings were epidemic. you had a revolution in thisi country while not likely to succeed was disrupting the country especially northern california in a way that's hards to believe. aboutwn: i was thinking the opening of the olympics in 1972 was the munich olympics. >> and watergate and the energy
crisis, a nervous breakdownr collectively for the country.or >> brown: when you start thinking about patty hearst and you said the central question, what side was she on, in a sense. before all this happened, there was no hint of politics in her. >> she was a kid. she was 19 years old, and she was utterly unknown to her kidnappers except she was a hearst and a student at cal. but what they didn't know is she was at a very restless moment in her life. she was. engaged to be married o stephen weed with whom she was living, but unhappy, starting to develop a bit of political consciousness, and after those few days of terror and they werr horrible days of terror, she did become receptive to their appeals. >> brown: the arm -- the symbioe liberation army, the kidnappers,
in yourr plan, no telling what w they wanted to do, no vague revolutionary ideology at the time, but they had killed and were serious in their intent.t. >> they killed the oakland school superintendent in a mad act, an heroic american educator named marcus foster.er but several of the s.l.a. members came out to have the indiana -- out of the indiana university theater program andat had a sense of guerilla theater about them, they knew how to pu on a show and that's why they were so captivating to the nation. they had no real plan for whath they were going to do more thanh 24 hours ahead, but during each act, they knew how to get a lott of attention.te >> brown: come back to the early period of her capture. so many questions about what happened, right? >> right. >> brown: there were questions then and now about sexual abuse, rape, and her telling rape happened.
she did have a sexual relationship with one of them.h what d do you conclude about wht took place? did she turn? why she turned? >> well, certainly in the immediate aftermath of the kidnapping, there was pure terrorism, and she had no part in it, she had no foreknowledgee but after a few weeks, there waa a bond that developed between patricia and her kidnappers, and if you look at the range of her activities from her kidnappingng in february of '74, the robbery of the hi bernia bank with the very familiar photographs of heo with the machine gun, all the way to her arrest in september of '75 almost a year and a half later, the enormous numbers of crimes she committed -- three bank- robberies, one in which a woman was killed, shooting up a street in los angeles, bombings that she participated in in france san francisco, and the
multiple, multiple opportunitiei she had to escape, i conclude that she did, in fact, voluntarily join the s.l.a. >> brown: this is not her version, right? she has written her own book, she did not want to talk to you. >> right, she says she was coerced and lived in fear for every moment and was not a voluntary part pant in any -- participant in any crimes. >> brown: you don't wantic to use words like brainwashing or stockholm syndrome, you don't't want to go there?wa >> no, those are journalistic terms, not medical terms, and ii don't think they're useful in describing what went on in her life. i think what happened with her is she made rational choices in each step in the process. it made sense to her, as it might make sense to other 19-year-olds, to join in, and after she was arrested, it made sense to her to say to hell with all this, i want to be a hearst again. >> brown: the sentence commuted by president carter, pardoned by president clinton.li you see this as an extreme case
of privilege for a wealthy person and that's what she went back to being in a sense, right? >> she is the only person in american history to receive a commutation from another president and a pardon from the other and perhaps the most bizarre fact about this wholefa story is she went back to the life she was always going to lead. sort of a wealthy socialite homemaker with a few exotic hobbies. shec made a few movies, but now she raises show dogs, she's a grandmother, and this is the life she was going to lead. >> brown: the book is "american heiress." jeffrey toobin, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> woodruff: on the newshour online right now: marilyn monroe's death 54 years ago reminds us that long before today's opioid epidemic, there were plenty of prescription drugs that could be abused with deadly results. medical historian howard markel
offers up a cautionary tale in his retelling of the hollywoodhi icon's demise. all that and more is on our website: pbs.org/newshour. gwen ifill is preparing for "washington week," which airs later this evening. gwen? >> ifill: hello, judy. gold star parents, a mysterious videotape, sexual harassment policy, republicans jumpingmp ship, and a debate over who's fit to be president. not exactly the week donaldld trump supporters were hoping for. but along with a raft of newt polls, it's exactly what hillary clinton wanted. we talk about the week's big steps and missteps tonight, on "washington week." judy? >> woodruff: and we'll be watching, thanks. and on pbs newshour saturday:tu once thriving eco-systems now struggling to survive. here's a preview. ere are 800 to 1,000 dolphins living in a lou goon at any given time.i many are infected with e coli
and antibiotic-resistant bacteria commonly found in human sewage from septic tanks. >> one septic tank by itself isn't a problem, but when you have high densities of septic tanks, thousands or in some cases tens of thousands in poor soil conditions close to a sensitive water body like the indian river lagoon, then you've got a big problem. >> woodruff: that's tomorrow night on pbs newshour weekend. and we'll be back, right here, on monday with a look at how buffalo, new york-- long a haven for refugees-- is tackling theta psychological needs of those coming from syria. that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff.on have a great weekend. thank you and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by:ov d lincoln financial is committed to helping you take charge of your future.el
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