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widespread outrage over the sacramento police shooting of stephon clark is sparking nationwide protests and calls for police reform. also president trump takes on amazon as ses a and facebook continues to stumble. and a speak peek at films that take you to the supre court. welcome tokqed newsroom. we begin with the controversial police shooting in sacramento. want to warnu the footage you're about to see contains graphic content that may be disturbing to watch. last week police officers shot and killed stephon clark an d 22-year-old african american mn sacramento. the officers were responding to ins when car break they confronted clark at his
grandmother's home. they shot at him 20 times saying they thought he had a gun. it turned out clark was holding a cell phone. the attorney general said the office would investigate the incident at the requesof the sacramento police department. stevante. the mayor wants to talk to me. the chief of police got my brother killed. he shows no emotion at all. >> and you all get mad at me for not rying on thenews? >> yesterday mourners attende f theneral for stephon clark. rev ra al sharpton delivered the eulogy at the request of the family. >> the president's press ocal tary said this is a matter. no, this is not a local matter.
they've been killing young black men all over the country. and we are heto say that we're going to stand with stephon clark andhe leaders of this family. we are putting aside o differences. it's time for preachers to come out to the pulpit. it's time for pligs to come out their office. it's time for us to go down and stop this madness. >> to discuss all of this further, i'm now joined by politics and government reporter katie who joins us from sacramento. also a public policy professor jacknd laser a civil rights attorney john brew us. here. you for being katie, i want to begin with you. the family had requested a independent autopsy. those results were released today. what did that autopsy find?
>> yes. the independent found that stephon clark was shot eight times. five ofthose times he was shot in the back. he was shot once in the side, and once in the dmek, and then once in nd the thigh. >> who do the findings suggest about the police officer's narrative about what happened night? >> well, the attorneys for clark's family say thathat suggests that the police fficers' narrative is not right. we have been told they feared for his life, h thwas approaching them. they thought he had a weapon, but this report would indicate that he was largely standing with his back turnedway from them. the doctor said that the first shot actually went in to his side while he was facing the house and it was so powerful it actually spun him around to his back was fully to the officers shot in proceeded to be the back and as he was either falling to the ground or on the, gro he was shot in the leg.
>> so, john, i want ou bring in at this point. you were involved in drafting sacramento council mandate used in recent years to revise thees polin use of force. based on what you know, do you think proper procedure was followed in the clark shooting? >> i do not. given my assessment of the facts, the big issue here is you're not supposed to be use force unless your life is in danger. if youerceive that, was that reasonable? my concern is the officers appeared to leave a position of safety. the young man walked toward them, and they seemed not to assess properly whether he was a threat to them or the real question is did they really have -- exercise proper judgment. you can have all the procedures you want. we can do a good job and i sacramento has largely tried to do a good job in revising the policies, b you also to v to follow them. if you don't, you get a
yolation of the policies. you get what get here. a number of shots. for me the failure to properly n assess this man is clearly in violation of the rules in terms of using ingiv exce force. >> professor jack, weren't there other rules that weren' followed as well? did they identify themselves as police officers? did they get immediate help for stephon clark? >> as far as i understand, they osdn't identify themselves which they are su to do, and it does seem like they spent quite a bit of time waitin before getting help for him in the latest report i saw it was that it took the to eight minutes for him to expire after he had been shot. so hat's going to an issue. but i'm not a forensicps chologist, and i'm not really prepared to comment on the particular chase. i can say this is the kind of thing we see. i'd agree with mr.sharpton.
this is not a local problem. >> also one of the issues was when the other officers came up an officer says to mute their mikes. tha disturbing, because generally a person will tellhe truth about something immediately after it occurs. if you tell them to mute their mikes, then you seem to be suggesting that youon't want to hear them tell the truth about what happened at th begingbegi beginnibegi begin. that's disturbing to me. t know that an officer c justify shooting this person that number of times in the back give than he never saw a gun. they were never told that he had any kind of weapon that could be dangerous to them. at best, they were told that earlier that a person, and not even certain if it's that person, might have been breaking into windows. there was no corroborating evidence that he, in fact, was doing that, or that he had any type of serious weapon. >> this issue e,has, of cou drawn a lot of national attention. there are protests nationwide. when sarah huckabee sanders at
the white house was asked, she said the president felt it was the local issue. you said earlier it is not a local issue. in what way? >> there are local aspects to it. local criminal justice will adjudicate it at the local level, but it's clearly a national phenomenon. it's not aat worseningnal f phenomenon, but we're becoming conscious at the unnecessary fatalities at the hands of police officers at the evidence of body worn cameras or bystanders. this i a national problem in the fact people are shot every year. i'm not going to say whether it's too high or low, but it's clear there are racial disparities among those unarped. i was going to say i had at least three shootings i'm looking at right nowhere a person, an african american male was shot in the back. in different cities.
sacramento. i had a case in sacramento a couple years ago. it does happen. i don't seehis as an isolated event. i see it as a mind set that officers in who n these areas. we talk about implicit, racial bias. that's engrained within a ment state. too quick to shoot. that's what i see.e you didn't hto do. you were in a position of safety. and what officers are taught is how to deescalate a situion. advise who you are. let them know who you are. you have me, distance and andwhen the person turned space. his back, did you not see it? thos are the questions we have to deal with. >> and those are the questions for the community sacramento. katie, you've been following this story all along, and the sacramento police department is now investigating. the state attorney general's office is overseeing the probe. is there any sense that that gives sacramento residents any
more confidence in the area? what the mood like in the city? >> i've heard mixed things. some people sa they are confident that this can be a turning point for t's city. the lot of hope, because the police chief is relatively new. he's been in his job fo seven months. but he is african american. he grew up in sacramento. the point was made that he had a job in a relatively affluent suburb north of here,roseville, and he came back to sacramento. so there are people who see that as aood sign. also he voluntarily asked theat rney general to oversee the investigation. but i did speak to some women who knew stephon clark's grandmother. they're known her for 40 years. they said why would things change now? they recalled an experience 30 years ago when an african amican was walking throu a field and was shot by police. they did not hold out much hope.
i think it is depending on who you talk to, there are post sides being represented. but the community has been active. as you mentioned, coming out with protests, and really pushing for some substantial changes to the police force in sacramento so this doesn happenagain. >> i have worked with the sacramento police department and trying to bring about ange. i had a couple cases. i'll tell you the police chief as well as membershi of staff and the mayor's office are equally interested in bringing about social reform to the department and to the community. so this presents an opportunity for not only community police to kind of work together. you need someone on the community side o understan what policing is about. so they can effectively put forth ideas that the police department can appreciate and, therefore,u can reach an accord. i've done that. i know they're available to do it, but you have to work at it and have people who are willing to take the time to work through the issues. >> one of ase id that's taken
off across the country is the idea of implicit bias training and workshops. does it work? >> as far as we can tell, there's no evidence training has effect on performance. i think implicit bias is real andth ink it plays a role in the problems. i think very likely in this case the misperception of the object in his hand was due ton implicit association between race and weapons. that's been well demonstratedl and care researched. what we can do about it is an entirely different question. >> what can do about it? >> i think theo training has be focussed on preventing the problems. as john was saying, there are ways to deescalate. you take time, distance and cover so officers are not in a foot pursuit that's likely t lead to deadly force, or nondeadly force. there's a broader problem than deadly force. ere's nondeadly force that's
also racially desperate and at levels that are not necessary, and then there are even more seemily mundane but nevertheless harmful things like stop and search and frisk and arrest for minor offenses. >> this is a broader problem. the vast majority of the policing that needs to work is day in day out conduct. because that's what people are that's where cars are searched. there are people being treated srespectfully. you can make a difference there. in terms of everydayon communicaand stopping. i don't know that implicit aining helps on the ooting. that's the officer's perception of the danger. a lot of work can be done. i don't think it's something we should thro hands up and say it can not be looked at. >> there's plenty that can be done. >> i'm sure we'll be hearing mor the family is now filing a federal lawsuit as well. i want to thank you for your time.
the professor, the attorney, and also our own sacramento.t in thank you all. turning now toh, te yesterday president trump attacked amazon in a tweet saying the company doesn't pay enough taxes and is harming the u.s. economy. this comes amid a rough week for the tech sector. tesla issued a major recall. joining me now with more is tech editor jeremy owens. nice to have you back. >> thank you for having me. >>. >> president trump amazon pays little or no taxes to state and local government and has hurt the theconomy. is true? >> not really when we looked at the effective tax rates in advance of the new tax law, amazon had an effective tax rate of more 40an we go back further we now have a calculator online where you look at ac pany's s&p, amazon is at
40 %.ha higher its sector and for the s&p overcall. not much. the average is about 30%. >> amazon is collecting taxes in the 45tates with sales tack. >> yes. the real question is third party sellers n the amazonplatform. are they collecting enough sales tax from what they're doing, and is that on them or the small businesses selling on t eir platform. amazon said we'd like a federal law. that would t makes the same across all states and make it easier to deal with this problem. but that law hasn't passed. in fact, the law that passed cut corporations. >> why do you think amazon is caught in the president's cross hairs right now? >> you'd have to ask him. obviously the ceo of amazon ownedsh "the gton post." >> jeff bezos. >> trump has not had a great relationship sin he's become
president. they're popular right now. a lot of people are ttlking ab amazon. it could be him calling out a popular figure so he c get more publicity and look at that. >> any chance he's trying to protect his friends businesses who feel they're hurt by amazon? >> it's ssible. i mean, trying to figure out oi what trump is is always an exercise in futility. but, yeah, it seems like there e a lot of potential reasons for him. the reasons he statedewhich was re hurting the post office and they're not paying taxes, don't seem to really be that true. >> all right. let's move ontola te this week tesla recalled more than 100,000 model s sedapr made before 2016. this is because it needs to replaceol that hold power steering motors in place. they can become co-roaded and break. what are some of the other troubles the company is ce >> it's been a rough week for tesla. there were e-mails that leed showing they were doing everything they could to ramp up
production to meet production re that they promised to do this quarter, and they're already way behind on what they promised to do previously. they had to pull them down. >> that's for the model three. they're pulling people offf model f and x lines to come over and try to produce more model threes by tend of the quarter. they had a ruling against it in their shareholder lawsuit. it's just a lot of stuff happening for tesla which was capped off by the recall which brings more of their production into focus yet again. >> and moodies downgraded the creditg. rat it's leading to questions about whether will the company have enough compey to stay throughout year? >> it doesn't have enough money, elon can ask for moremoney. he's gone to shareholders, sold bonds. the downgrade f ussed on the
bonds which have not been trading well. with tesla acquiring solar city, they were indebt. the debt load is large. it will be interesting to see if he'll have tocially as he couldn'ts to ramp up production, but that's kind of where ramping if he can getion, the model threes out and get more money in, that will help balanc>a little bit. okay. got to talk about facebook. still in the headlines this anek. the co announce third down week it's going to roll out features and give users more control ov how their information is shared. will this be enough to appease the anger and anxiety among users andul reors? >> it depends on what users are talking about. facebook has done this before when it'scy had pri issues. we have a new dashboard. the easier for people to see who has access and their privacy settings. this is another new product. right? and so we'll have to see if thae actually -- if it makes users feel better to see that,
i'm sure facebook is going to push it hard to get people to go in and see who has ccess, what their privacy settings are. facebook did indicate that nckerberg would testify front of congress, but they are just nibbl autotheir data privacy things. they got rid of third party data. they were giving the advertisers other things. >> much to keep track of. thank for joining us, jeremy, with market watch. >> thank you. next week marks the start of the sf film festival in the 61st year. it promises a powerful lineup of films and documentaries from around the world and the bay area. an oakland native studied film t san francisco state university. th director debut takes on race, humor andte marketing. >> i just really need a job.
>> this istelemarketing. >> stick to the script. >> hello? >> mr. davidson. sorry to -- >> igi going to you a tip. you want to make money here? use your white voice? >> my white voice? >> i'm not talking about will smith white. like this guy. >> h mr. kramer -- [ dial tone noti] . >> joining me now are the executive director and musician. great to have you both here. i love that greeting. well, the main character in the movie an african american telemarketer who skyrockets to sucess after he uses his white voice. how would you define this movie? >> it's an absurdisttdark comedy magical realism and it's called sorryo bother you.
>> you were a telemarketere at oint? >> a couple of different points. >> how much of that experience is in thise? mo >> i think that's the jumping off for a lot of ideas. and it's not a auto biographical movie, but you use experiences from your life. >> and noah, why did you choose sorry to bother you as the centerpiece film? .> this guy to my right is the main o he's been an incredibly important force in the cultural area. the city of oakland, and how it's developed and how w can talk about that in terms that are new and fresh and really expressiwae. this film part of our film house, and film grting programs at sf film. proud couldn't be more that something like sorry to bother you as come out of the
programs. it speaks to the vibrancy and precision of what we'reto tryin o here in making movies in the bay area. >> yeah. s film house francisco film society really sf film, made it possible to do this. because they not only gave the project money, butth gave me office space to sit and work. >> and you got into sun dance before this. gratulations on that. >> yes. >> but i also want to talk more about how the film was made. u're from oakland. the film is set in oakland. the hero in the film is often t torn betwee worlds, needing to sound white for the job but act blak, wanting to make money but stay true to his friends and where he came from. how much of that resonates true with your life? >> well, i think that the sacrifices that weke have to in order to just survive is something that resonat with everyone. the film is not just about that.
the trailer actually doesn't reveal most of what the film is about. >> there are quite a few surprisesn the lm. don't want to spoil it. >> yeah. and -- but i think that in my life i'm always trying to figure right ther i'm doing the thing or not. and i'm always constantly es reang. so i think that's a, you know, very much part of me in there. >> and noah, let's talk about the festival more broadly. you have said theestival wants to highlight bay area values anm among t diversity, innovation, social justice. one of the films is a documentary about supreme court jui justice ruth bader againstberns. >> she's become such an icon. >> do you mind? >> i am 84 years old and everyone wants a picture with
me. >> yeah. >> why did you choose >> we're here. we've been talking about boots riley. anotheron i for people in san francisco in the area is ruth bader ginsburg. she's been a light during a dark political time right now. and this is one of tho standup and shout and cheer documentaries. it makes you feel ke it's oing to be better in the end. i think when we play this film during the festival, you'll see a real comfort for a lot of people, but think also you'll see a lot of people standing up and cheering for this incredible >> and something new you're doing this year is hosting discussions around certain films. for example, the cleaners. it's about who decides what we see online. let's look at a clip from that as well. >> facebook has a bigger population than any state in the world. it's in en it sensors, some ways as powerful as a state. >> ignore it.
ignore. ignore. >> if io didn't haveal media, i wouldn't be able to get the word out. i probably wouldn't be standing here. right? i probably wouldn't be standing here. >> mark zuckerberg is now the front page editor for every newspaper in the world, effectively. >> so you'reartnering with the electronic frontier foundation for discussion about this movie. what are you hoping to accomplish through that? >> i think what we're trying to general, f film in because we're supporting film makers and we engage in educational programsre we trying to channel what we call bay area values in the work were doing one of the most important things we can do here in the bay area is talk about technology its impact and how it's changed our society. without revealing any spoilers, one of the key aspects of sorry to bother you is anxtremely sophisticated critique of how the venture capitalism and technology has actually really
altered ho we view morality. i think what's been going on with facebook over the last couple of weeks reinforced we need to pay attention to this. the clners is film that talks about this kind of farm of people in the philippines that scrubs the internet. and so it goes through and porn graphic images or offensive speech, and these people who live in a ve different culture in the united ve states are sort of subjected to the worst of in a way.pitalism what's great about the electronic frontier foundation is we have these incredibly interesting partners who can actually talk about the larger context around these technology concerns. >> it's a complex issue. >> complex issues. >> how to balance privacy wi freedom of speech. >> it's huge. we began working with them on an amazing documentary citizen 4 about edward snowden. and we've been engaging them on
a fairly regular basis to come s back as g of ours to actually continue to illuminate us in the bay area. and kind of allow us to be leaders in this kind of critique of what's going on in the technology industry >> okay. and boots quickly, any more mies for you afthe first film? >> yeah. i'm starting to write stuff nowl >>right. >> yeah. this is just an o expansion everything i've already been doing. >> we look forward to seeing your next work, and sf film festival running from april 4th th to the 17th. >> is there mor of this vodka? >> whisky is up next, but tha you forenjoying the vodka. >> that's it? >> that's it. thank you ve much. we'll send some home with you after the interview. that'll do it for us. you can find more of your coverage online. thank you for joinings.
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