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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> nawaz: good eve i'm amna nawaz. judy woodruff is away. on the newshour tonight, prent trump's pick to be secretary of state, mike pompeo picks up last second support in senate. then, it's politics monday-- we talk upcoming confirma battles for the president's cabinet picks and the democrats strategy ahead of midter elections. plus, a dire situation for india's agriculture: how drought and di farmers' lives and the way crops are grown. >>translated ): i don't really have any plans, i can't start a day to day.ust live >> nawaz: and, searching for the truth-- after 20-year-old ricky boyd was shot and killed by police in georgia, his mother calls or body camera footage to be released. >> i'm three months into his killing and have yet to receive
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>> and with the ongoing support ofhese institutions: and individuals. >> this program was made possible by the corporatioblfor broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> nawaz: sces of horror today in toronto, canada. a rental van jumped a sidewalk and plowed into pedestrians on a busy street, killing nine and injuring 16. the van drove on, for nearly a mile, before police stopped it and arrested the dri ambulances rushed victims to a nearby hospital, and police said it will take some time to determinjust what happened.
>> this is going to be a lg investigation, with multiple witnesses and surveillance cameras. at 1:30 p.m. there were a lot of pedestrians out enjoand witnesses enjoying a sunny afternoon. we're urging everyone who saw anyone, please call crime stoppers, call toronto police and let us know. >> nawaz: the canadian government said it has not changed its terrorism alert level, in the wake of the incident. the manhunt is over in the waffle house shootings in nashville, tennessee. police say they've captured the len who allegedly killed four peith an assault-style rifle early sunday. they'd been looking for 29-year- old travis reinking ever since. more than 160 police, state troopers and federal agents searched door to door today in the suburb of antioch. detectives found reinking in a wooded area this afternoon. >> the suspect turned around and detective williams saw his face and realized that that is the suspect who we were looking ctr. at that point tive
williams drew down on the suspect.sp the t proned out. he told him to get on the ground he got on the ground immediately, proned himself out. >> nawaz: police said reinking had a gun in his backpack when he was arrested. lso said he had a histor of "mental instability", and was arrested after crossing a white house security barrier last summer. reinking had to give up his weapons aftethat, but officials say his father later gave the guns back to hi north and south korea took new steps toward reconciliation today, ahead of friday's summit between their leaders. diplomats met at the border to work out details for the summit. they did, the south stopped blasting music and propaganda toward the north. the white house today pressed north korea for concrete action on ending its nuclear program. pyongyang promised saturday to freeze nuclear and missile tests. in yemen, shiite houthi rebels say their political chief, saleh al-samad, has died in an air strike by a saudi arabian coalition. it happened last thursday.
al-samad is the highest ranking houthi official killed in nearly four years of fighting. r parately, the rebels say another rike hit a wedding party on sunday, killing at least 20 people. toesh violence in afghanistan y. a pair of taliban attacks killed st soldiers and policemen in a n province. fanwhile, families held funera some of the 57 killed in sunday's suicide bombing in kabul. and, they demanded better security. >> ( translated ): the incident which happened yesterday causeds sorrow to hundf families. people are not optimistic about the governmentnd this country ymore. everyone is trying to get out of this count but they don't have the wings to fly. people are fed-up with the current situatn. >> nawaz: the islamic state claimed responsibility for sunday's blast, whicalso wounded 119 people. in belgium today, the lone surviving suspect from the 2015 paris attacks was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
salah abdeslam is jailed in france, and awaiting trial in the attacks that killed 130 people. a belgian court convicted him, and an accomplice, in a shootout with police in brussels, in march 2016. they were eventually captured. deadly protests in nicaragua have prompted the u.s. state department to shut down part of its embassy operations. it's also ordering relatives of diplomats to leave the country. more than two dozen people have been killed in rioting over plans to overhaul the welfare system. nicaragua's government has now cancelled the proposed changes. on wall street, the dow jones industrial average lost 14 points to close at 24,448. the nasdaq fell 17 points, and the s&p 500 rose a fraction of a poin rod, there's a new addition to the britisl family. o te, the duchess of cambridge, gave birth today tboy, her third child. just hours later, she and prince william left the london hospital
with the newborn prince. he is fifth in line to the british throne. there's noord yet on his name. still to come on the newshour: iran's foreigninister warns the u.s. not to withdraw from the nuclear deal. what's changed, five years after a tragic fire at a bangladesh rment factory. looking to india's agricultural past to preserve its future, and much more. >> nawaz: french president emmanuel macron arrived in washington today to begin meetings with president trump. tomorrow, macron will be guest of honor at a state dinner and wednesday he will speak to a joint session of congress. but as nick schifrin reports, the pomp and circumstance come as a major deadline looms for the iran nuclear deal. >> schifrin: with the stars and stripes and the french tri-color side by side, macron launcheed
what he call critical mission. >> the important state visits, given the moment of our current environment. >> schifrin: macron will spend two days with president trump on what some have called operation save the iran deal. yesterday he appeared on president trump's chosen channel, fox news, and said where was no alternative. >> what is the if scenario,' or your plan b? i don't have a plan b for nuclear against iran. >> schifrin: macron has met president trump three tis and cultivated a good relationship. he'll try to convince president trump e deal is working, and that it's better to confront iran while its nuclear program is frozen. that argument will be echoed later this week during a visit by german chancellor angela merkel, who appeared yesterday on israeli tv. >> ( translated ): we believe em's better to have this agt, even if it is not perfect, than to have no agreement. >> schifrin: but t trump
adminsitration wants to remove the deal's expiration dates, expand inspections, antarget iran's missile program. the administration also wants to confront what it calls iran's malign regional behavior. iran says there will be no re- negotiation. and foreign minister jafvad za warned if the trump adminsitration pulls out of the deal, iran will too. the rest of the world cannot ask us to unilaterally and one- sidedly implement a deal that has alread sbeen broken. ifrin: president trump is vowing to pull out of the deal by may 12th unless the u.s. and europe can fix it. a u.s. official calls this moment the "last chance." >> nawaz: and nickchifrin joins me now. >> nick,ado the trump nistration basically set this up as the last chance to make the deal work for the u.s. meanwhile, the europeans are working to try to keep president trump in the deal. have t y madeprogress? >> yeah, there has been a little progress, and i think macron will come the white house with specific items that the two
sides have been working on and the two grdes haved in general on, not so much specific text, but in general. and that includes inspe so the two sides have said, look, yes, if there is a legitimate inspection requesto iran and they refuse it, then that is a significant abrogation of the deal and we' allowed to reimpose sanctions. two, missiles. if iran test as long-range missile over 1200 miles, the two sides can also impose sanction together. on the larger regional concerns, the islamic revolutionary guard xirps, actions in syria, for example, ps like hezbollah, cyber threats, these e the things the two sides have general agreement opened and ma a chron will go to the whe ite hod say this is what we can do together to pressure tan. >> nawaz: what are sticking points? you didn't mention expiration dates. >> the sunset clause, the expiration date, that is the
sticking deal and the most importanpart because that's exactly what president trump and the white house want the change. after eight years, iran is allowed to manufacture cedreasingly adv centrifuges, after 15 years they can increase their uranium stockpile and enri higher grade uranium. the u.s. says if they do those things, that will lowee breakout time under about a year for iran to get a bomb and we want to impose sanctions. europeans say, wait a minute, we agreed in the deal explicitly they would have the ability to do tse things afteight years and 15 years. how can we abrogate the deal basically by saying they can't do those things? what mai will do iscam to the white house -- come to the white house and say we have some disagreements on sunsets, but can we take the things we agree on and is this enough? you know, president trump, is this enough for you to s, yeah, this is enough, let's stay in the deal. the europeans don't want to do this every six mths. they won't have a lot of faith
to say this will work but we'll try. >> >> nawaz: we're watching closely and iranian officialsin will be watcclosely and considering their options what out.e u.s. bac what's been the response. >> the foreign minister you saw in the story o new york and met with me, a group of journalists a n.g.o.ypes, trying to influence u.s. behavior. what he says, is look, there's no renegotiation, so any chance of renegotiating the sunsets, even try.le, don't and he says, if you leave the deal, we've got a few optios, one is we'll go through the process the deal allows which is a5-day debate after which iran would be alloweto enric uranium. the second option, we'll not wait for t 45 day we'll enrich uranium immediately h. h admitted there we nor drastic measures he called it. he didn't provide details but you can see this in the debate in the parliament in iran, in the media, including declaring hee u.s. army a terrorist
organization and a package of options which are withdrawing from the.t n., nuclear nonproliferation treaty, enrichingigr-grade uranium and kicking out the inspectors and those options mean iran is racing toward a bomb and they admitted that's what they're iran is not a monolith and i i would beident rouhan the first to say he wants to deal to work but he's under incredible domestic pressure. >> nawaz: turn with with me to north korea. how does u.s. action or inaction on the iran deal affection going talks with the north koreans. >> this is important because in the next few weeks ty willet a meeting between president moon and kim, the nortn kord south korean ladders and yresident trump with kim next month or in ear june, and what anan says, is look, why would the north koor anyone
trust you if you're going to pull out of a deal that we tookecious to negotiate? the u.s. response is interesting. mike pompeo went to north korea secretly to meet with kim jong un. after he came back,e was testifying to congress and saying, no, kim does not care about any deal that came before this. so the administration, at least, llbelieves that they can out of the iran deal and have it not affect the upcoming north korean conversation. >> nawaz: we'll see what happens then. nick schifrin, good to talk to you. >> thank you. >> nawaz: tomorrow marks the fifth anniversary of what many consider the worst garment industry accident in history. the collapse of rana plaza, on the outskirts the capital of bangladesh. john yang has this update on the disaster, in which more than
1,100 people lost their lives and more than 2,500 we g:jured. >> yanost of the dead were young women, garment workers who were crushed or trapped in the rubble when the eight-story rana plaza collapsed. investigators said the top four floors had been built without nsrmits, and the ground beneath the building was uble. they concluded that the collapse ios triggered by the weight and vibrat of power generators ed the top floor that kickn ring a power outage. >> ( translated ): my wife and i were working together as opators in rana plaza. after the accident, i was rescued on the fourth day and in hospital. i have been looking for my wife and after 11 dfound the body of my wife. >> yang: bangladesh the world's second-largest clothing manufacturer, behind china, employing millions of people, in thousands of factories. the industry has had a long
history of lax enforcement of building safety standards and few worker protections. fires regularly broke out at factories. building codes were not enforced, and workers complained about not being paid. the 2013 tragedy led to global pressure on western clothing retailers and their customers to take responsibility for those conditions. two coalitions, one made up mostly of u.s. clothing firms, the other, mainly european s ands, joined forces to make the factoriesupplying them safer. ne a report issued this week, york university's stern snter for business and human righd conditions have isproved: sprinkler systems and fire extinrs installed, worker training stepped up and building standards strengthened. but the progress is not universal. factories that do no directly to major retailers are not subject to their quirements. for more on what's changed and
what hasn't, we're joittd by paul bar he is deputy director of the new york universitstern center for business and human rights and a former editor at "bloomberg businessweek" and the "wall street journal." paul, thanks so mu. for joining paul, what has changed since that disaster? >> well, as your piece mentioned, the western brands and retailers have brought pressure, very effectively, on the owners of bangladeshi factories with the threat if they don't make the factories safer they will lose their western busined that n llective action has made factories safer rms of electrical systems, in terms of fire preention, sprinkler systems, alarms, that kind of thing, and struck cure problems that had -- structural problems that had plagued a lot of the factories. along the way, a number of factories were shut down altogether because they were not something at could be salvaged, so that's the good
news part of the story. >> yang: but these don't cover all the factories in bangladesh. >> that's the bad news tort of the , the western coalitions that formed to make factories safer had basically limited jurisdiction. they didn't cover some 1,600 factories overseen by the bangladeshi government which is not mous for theigor of its regulation, and then an unknown number possibly in the thousands of smaller subcontracting factories that take sort of overthrow work from the larger factories and do a lot of work on clothing that ends up in the west -- europe and north america. v yang: your team from the stern centsited one of those subcontractors. what did you see? what did did you learn? >> actually, we visited a couple of them, and if both places, the owners were fairly forthcoming as long as we didn't reveal their identity or the location of their factory. in one the owner basically
showed us he had purchased a fire safety plan that was necessary to join a certain trade association a, when we asked him whether he actually implemented e plan, he said, oh, no, he didn't have the money to do that, so he basically ught a phony fire plan to show people who came to his factory. the other one, the owner told us a government inspector had been by and left with him a list of fire safety requirements, but that he had lostthe list and had no intention of following through on it. so you can see that, in these smaller factors, there'sjust no real expectation that regulation will take >> yang: and these outside inspections by this coalition of retailers and brands, thatt' sunsets, tgoing away. >> well, that's right. that's another limitation. these were set up to be five-year programs, and one with of them, the one that's dominated by american companies known as the alliance is set to of basically shutting down by the enhis year, and the
other one known as the accord, dominateby uropean companies, has provisionally itsaid that tsll continue in six-month incrembut, eventually, that one will go away as well. in the long run, this ultimately becomes the responsibility of the bangladeshi government. >> which, as you say, is not famous for the rigor of their inspections. >>oues. >> yang:group as a prescription for a solution to. this what is it? >> yeah, it's a short run prescription to deal with the limitations of the sioafety coal that have been in effect. we're proposing a bangladeshi-led international task force that would use a concept known shared responsibility to raise funds opd see that they are spent ly on safety improvements in those factories that have not been reached so far, and the participants in this would include the bangladeshi government, the western
companies,rucially the western governments whose consumers adeshilow-priced bangl clothes, and international financial organizations like the world bank. >> yang: what's the price tag on that? >> we did a rough back-of-the-envelope calculation based on several variables we i estimated including a per-factory remediation cost of $250,000 and came up with a price tag of about $1.2 billion. 's ot an unsubstantial ount, but if t governments of various western countries got involved, it would be manageable. >> yang: what do you think the chances are of that happening? >> well, i think it'snot a sure bet to say the least. i think it's a long shot, but i think it's something that at a minimum provos and catalyzes yenversations and focuses on what has notbeen done in bangladesh. so even if we don't get to the altimate goal we set out, we willanize attention in hopes that the bangladeshi
government will step up and other entities will as well. >> yang: paul barrett of new york university stern center for business, thank you very much. >> you bet, thank yo aw >>: stay with us, coming f on the newshour: the casecky boyd: we speak to the mother of the 20-year-old man killed by police in georgia. piconfirmation battles on l hill for key cabinet members. and one man's view on how poetry threads through our everyday lives. but first, we continue our leseries looking at the ches that india, the soon-to-be most populous country in the world, may soon face producing enough food for its people. speciacorrespondent fred de sam lazaro reports on one effort to combat the effects of climate change and environmental degradation.
>> reporter: about two thirds of india's 1.3 billion people live on small subsistence farms, and taey've struggled amid unprede markets and weather to eke out a living. frequently, farmers from across the vast hinterland have vented feir despair: last year, protesm the south, suffering after a record three- year drought, carried the skulls of farmers they said had committed suicide to a vigil in the capital, delhi. what did you hope to achieve by doing that? back at her small farm home, 54- year-old rani told me she'd hoped for some compensation or a waiver from crushing debt used to purchase seed and livestock, a plea she said her husband had made locally to their bank. o ( translated ): he told them there's beenin, the crops have failed and we have no fodder. they said they couldn't do anything about i
you need to pay your debts. >> reporte her husband, 58- year-old radhakrishnan, stepped just outside the bank, began drinking pesticide and died. an average of 12,000 farmers have committed suicideincross india ach of the past sevel years, unable to bear the shame of insolvency says k. ayakannu, a farm activist the southern state of tamil nadu. >> we are in poor conditions, so we are unable to purchase anything, we are unable to send our children to school to study. >> reporter: farmers were left behind, complains, just as they began to propel the country into the modern age. in the 1960s, india's farmers vere introduced to new hybrid seeds newly ed by scientists. this so-caed green revolution transformed a country that had long struggled to feed itself into one with food surples. over the next half century, indian agriculture became highly
commercialized. thtry is now among the world's top exporters of wheat, rice and sugar. however, in recent years, yields from the new hybrids have leveled off, the crops often vulnerable to disease. that's driven farmers to use more and more chemical fertilizers and pesticides which in turn has seriously degraded gre soil. has thn revolution run its course? >> in terms of yield per acre, yeah. >> reporter: climate scientist jagannathan srivasan says the modern commercial seeds still can produce abundant crops. but they require normal rainfall. that's happening less d less. >> the real impact of climate change will come after aut 30 to 40 years, with high temperature. india's population is going up rapidly still, and so the challenge is to produce more and more food for the population.
>> reporter: one approach that's gaining increasing attention i a return, ironically, to traditional seeds that went out of fashion with the green revolution. so these are just some of the hundreds, thousands of rice varieties that existed at one point on the planet? >> yes. >> reporter: and you're trying to retrieve them? >> yes. >> reporter: subhashini sridhar is a plant scientist with the non profit center for indian knowledge systems. c.i.k.s. and other groups have inoured the farthest corners of dia's farm country to sds that growers stillvarieties have. >> c.i.k.s. is in a position to grow these varieties organically, so we are training farmers on growing gality seeds. >> reporter: r. maniappan and g. balama subramanian g some 2800 farmers who are partners in the effort. last year, they experimented, planting the old varieties in a small corner of their rice
fields, whh were otherwise seeded with the commercial hybrids. >> ( translated ): it was very dry, not a drop of moir:ure. >> reporhe drought singed the entire field, they said, wiping out the commercial plants in just 30 days. but the traditional ones stayed green for up to 70 days. so you think they're much more drought resistant? >> ( translated ): they can withstand drought, they can stand floods and they can withstand higher salinity. >> reporter: the center for indian knowledge systems has contracted this task to 200 farmers in a pilot project to goduce more seeds. >> we hawn nearly eight different varieties, out of which six varieties are drought resistant. if they are going with the chemicals -- mu the commercial varieties are
higher yield. >> much higher yield. that's the big hurdl india needs crops to be drought resistant and high yielding. r the end some exts say it will take a combition of old varieties and new technology. but those efforts will take time and won't help farm familie like rony. she says she's broke and hasn't planted a crop this yea and t rains in her area have been well below normal, she adds. >> i don't really have any plans. can't start a business. i just live day-to-day. >> reporter: i don't really have any plans, i cannot start a business, i just live day to day. ho reporter: for the pbs ne, this is fred de sam lazaro in rural tamil nadu, india. >> nawaz: this story is part of fred's series, agents for chan. his reporting is in partnership with the under-told stories project at the university of st. thomas in minnesota.
>> nawaz: now, a fatal police shooting in georgia leads to questions about how officers reacted, killing a man in his family's front yard. ou-year-old ricky boyd was shot ide his grandmother's home three months ago today. the savannah police have said boyd was a suspect in a murder, and, along with u.s. marshals, lynt to the house to arrest him. they initiaid boyd fired first, and was killed. they later said he walked out with a firearm, which was eventually found to be a b.b. fan. thly deny that boyd was involved with a murder and say b. was unarmed. the un, they said, was later found nearly 45 feet from the house. they are now asking the police department to release body-cam video from the shooting. the policeepartment, the state's attorney and the georgia bureau of investigation all would not comment on a pending investigation. we talked earlier today with boyd's mother, jam and her attorney, will
claiborne. jameillah smiley and will claiborne, welcome to the "newshour". thank you for makingme. ms. smiley, i'd like to start by asking you about a keyfpiece evidence that a lot of people are focused on right now, that is the body camera footage. you want to see that released. you have seen footage from one of the officers who was on scent ay. can you take a moment and incribe for me what you saw that footage? >> um, as i was looking at the lm on the laptop, they let me look at this film on a laptop, and, um, i noticed my son was coming out of the. door he was wiping his eye, anhe walked out, presented his armsou like he was surrendering, turned to his left, and hwas
middle immediately shot. falling forward to the ground. >> nawaz: ms. smiley, the savannah police maintain your son hadu a bn in his arms that he confronted them with what they didn't know at the time was a bb gun. ad you have any reason to believe hene in his hands or was there one in the house he had access to? >> no, ma'am, he never had a gun in his handed a all. >> nawaz: mr. claiborne, you are representing this family. you've accomplished a video now puing togeer some of the questions you say still remain in the killing of ricky boyd. o some of the photos you pulle out, one the authories released showing what they say was the bb gun ricky was holding and a yard area, police tape cordoning the area off, cars lining the street, why is that photo significant?
ce there were a lot of bullets fired by law enfont that morning, hand and the those bullets struck a neighboring house and car, and the neighbor stepped outside and took a photogph so he could show where those bullets had come from. when he lked at t photograph more closely, what he saw was a gun lying on the ground. we were able to take thatra phot and place the gun roughly on the groud where i was found. you will note that in the neighbor's photograph, the gun is laying on a bed of pine straw, se as the phoograph release bid the g.b.i. fromfhat placement the bb asn, we were able to measure to where ricky boydhot and it's approximately 43 feet. >> nawaz: ms. smiley, today marks th de months to the since this incident in which your son was killed, what hasen that time like for you? >> it's beeneally, really
hard. just taking it day by day. i just really would like to have some answers about my son's killing. it's been really, really hard. >> nawaz: ms. smiley, i understand the police chief came to your home and promised you and your family that there would be a fair and thorough investigation. you believe that that will happen? nt no, ma'am. i'm three s into his killing and have yet to receive auo psy, i have yeteceive coy type of information erning my son's killing. >> nawaz: and it's also our understanding police were there rhat day awrong with u.s. hershals to a want to your son, they believas involved in the murder of another young man three days earlier. do you or anyone in your family have any reason to believe that your son was involved in that
murder center. >> ma'am, thetlocalctives here also have been back to my home and, no, they have said that my son -- they know my son ve not committed this murder. so i don't know why they have not come forth and cleared my son's name. but they know my son did not commit that murder. >> nawaz: you're saying law enforcement there have already confirmed to you they know your son was not invlved in that murder, that was the reason they came to the house in the first place that day? >> one of the detectives that was on the case said it out of her mouth that she knows my son did not commit this murder. >> if i may. >> nawaz: please go ahead. we requested information about the january 21 homice and what we received back from the savannah police department was a lettr inating that was still an active and open investigation. we know and areonfident that ricky boyd did not commit that
murder, and the savannah police department knows it. what they haven't done is told the citizens rear in savanhanah that murderer is walking free. thin haven't made an arres that case, and we have no real renfidence at this point that they taking productive steps to address that murder. that's another family that deserves justice. >> nawaz: do you have anyn sense, a time now of what will happen next in the investigation? >> we have been given no sens of a time line here, no ideans when we'll geters as to what happened to ricky and we're being forced tot simply w which can only be agonizing for ricky's f i would like to point out there is information routinely released in officer-involved shootings that hasn't been released. th dwoant know who shot ricky, whether they're on adnistrative leave, nothng
about their background. they're providing absolutely no information whatsoever. >> nawaz: let me ask you about the dy cam fajt, that's central in some of the questions, youould like to see it released. when have they told you about when or if it will be released? yi that youall they are g is its an active investigation and as part of the investigation file ey won't release it. they did rase photographs to mave bb gun they claim ricky had and otheers from the investigative file but are clues chewing to selectively withhold this. they need to show that video and allow the plek to see what actually occurhd. >> nawaz: case certainly has caught the rest to have the d even theattention white house has been asked about similar incidents with police-involved shootings. they have basically said these are local matters to be handled by local authorities. what do you say to that? >> i guess the question is how doou tell this family to trust
local authoritie is a local matter when the very first thing that happened that morning was for the belief to stand on the street corner and tell verifiable falsehoods about what occurred,o tellhis family is a local matter and to trt local authorities to handle it when local authorities have been lying from the ver first minute is just inhumane. >> nawaz: it's worth ning we requested comment or interview with both savannah police and georgia law enforcement and they declined. ms. smiley, if you don't mind, i'd like to ask you, there's obviously been a lot of news, a lot of stories, a lot o reporting surrounding this one incident this one day. what can you tell us about your son? what's not being said about him right now? >> what's not being said -- cuse me -- what's not being
iid that he wasocent, he was a good person and that he did not commit any of those things that these officers are saying. never shot at a cop, he never committed a murder. and my life's son is tooken. >> nawaz: jaillah smiley and will claiborne, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> nawaz: president trump's nominee to be the next secretary th state, mike pompeo, squeaked ugh a key committee vote tonight. this, after several dramatic turns in just the last hour. our capitol hill correspondent lisa desjardins is here to explain. lisa, some drama at the senat foreign relations committee today. what exactly happened? >> reporter: this was a
pivotal vote becaere was a question as to whether mike pompeo had the votes to get out of commttee. going into the meeting started 5:00 eastern a no, a republican no. minutes before the meeting, he ndid he flipped his vote said the reason why was a phonel ca from president trump which convinced him he thought mike pompeo would be on his side. here's a tweet from mr. paul.e he wro, i have decided to support his nomination to be our next secretary of state. rand paul is anti-interventionist. he said he was worried mike pompeo would put more troops and not be enough of a diplomat. he said he got guarantees that swayed him the other way. we thought, great, mike pompeo, we know what's going to happen, going to make it tou committee. no. turns out another republican johnny isakson was not in committee today, they needed his vote but he was speaki at a a memorial service. all this, cut to the chase, led to a very stasngewhere the committee chairman bob corker had to turn to democrats and ask
them, will one of you vote present even though you oppose this nominee so we can move forward without having a late vote tonight? that democrat whodithat was chris coons of delaware and said he will do it out of respect for his colleague senator from georgia, cert isason so we will have a favorable vote. which is not what we expected. he moves to thena full floor with the wind behind him. >> nawaz: let's talk about thes ba the opposition, because it was a partisasplit, rand paul lining up with the democrats. where were they kicking in? >> one, the senator ranking democratn the committee sa mike pompeo said two different things at different times. is he for human rights or against gay rights? mike pompeo said he does not support gay marriage, for instance. there are questions for how much he supports diplo.ma that's where virginia senator
cain came out and said i don't believe there this is a erplomat. are also charges against the democrats that they're beig political. no one questioned mike pompeo's qualification force the job. he's a west point graduate, a c.i.a. director, served in the house of representatives, has president trump's ear, so there are questions of whether this is political or not. democrats say, no, we just don't trust the direction thi man would take the state department. >> nawaz: so move ahead to the full senate floor without the as asterisk next to his name. is it pat san when it goes to full senate vote? >> not as partisan. three democrats voting yes. heidi heitkamp, joe manchin and joe donnelly all yes votes for mike pompeo breaking with the -- from the rest of their part. what do they have in common? a date with the voters in november and al in states that voted for president trump and
there could be other democrats that vote yes as well. i think mr. pompeo will get somewhere between 52 and 55 votes on the floor, more than betsy devos, less than rex tillerson, but i think this shows drama could continue, expect him to make it out of thb senathe end of the week and that's important because there is a n.a.t.o. summit for foreign ministers in brussels friday, and are owning he can make it to that. >> lisa desjardins with thea dr from the senate foreign relations committee today. our poiltics monday team pick it up with other confirmation battles looming and how vulnerable democratic senators are considering their votes. i'm joined by amy walter of the "cook political report" and eliana johnson of politico, welcome to you boh. >> nawaz: let's talk about the drama because mike pompeo is not the only one who will be facing some kind of battle, some position to his confirmation hearing there's a couple more coming up, ronny jackson, amy, edlk to me about what he is
likely to faceesday when he goes before the veterans affairs commity. >> wn we look at what happened with mike pompeo and looking at somebody le ronny jackson with the v.a., two different stories. pompeo, dividing on political lines. rand paul, this is a big deal he decided to give his vote to pompeo. he was very critical of him when he was up for c.i.a. director, very critical of him when he was up for secretary of state. at the last minute, changes his mind. so because the president said i trust -- hfrs my iend, he's going to do the right thing, clearly, this is much more political and much less about policy, and people know who pompeo is. when we get to to ronny jackson, nobody knows anything about hill. they know him a the house physician but don't know anything about what he would be like as an administrator, what he knows about thv.a. it's a very big job, a very difficult job, a job that the former v.a. secretary took on
bud got into quite a battle with the president, he was confirmed with 100 votes, he was obviously one of the onlyne to get -- he was the only one to get unanimously conf this is going to be very different. >> nawaz: as you say, experience wasn't an issue with pompe but is with ronny jackson. democrats expressed some concern. senator moran said this week jackson doesn't have th experience you think would traditionally be required at the v.a., so how do we see this lining up around partisan nonpartisan lines? , when you look at the three 'am facings coming up in the senate, pomp o jackson and gina haskel, president's pick to run the c.i.a., you have the think pompeo would be the easy by. and will squea the problem with president trump is he is somebody who units unmocrats and democrats see an oppoy to perhaps excite
their anti-retrump base if they oppose these nominees, but trump divides republicans, and, so, you see some republicans perhaps splitting on these nominees, ronny jackson is one where seyou some republican criticism on him, and ginaaspel, trump's pick for c.i.a., her involvement ture and rendition in the bush area, we know little abt her but know as a government employee when she was involved in torture and rendition, that's gotten criticism from rand paul but i think his turn on a dime toght to support pompeo puts a no on paspel. t's a chance that republicans will split threatens these nominations. l> nawaz: the fact the hearings rereally matter, because we've not heard haspel defend herself in what she did or jackson. so if you want to talk about
drama, tune in to the hearings you. normally don't say, well,' ls tune in to senate hearings but in this case we'll learn a lottw abou people we don't know much about. >> what is -- if they've expressed concern about the nominees, can they afford to break from the president when the prident is clearacking the nominees? >> we've h a couple of cases where republicans did actively split, susan collins and lisa murkowski on betsy devos where you had to have a tie breaker and the vice presiden to come do this, but with every republican who might break off, as lisa talked about, there are the red state democrats who do worry about their election prospects coming up, breaking with the president not quite as popular in west virginia for a democrat trying to hold on to his state. >> nawaz: in some of these owcontentious nominations with
democrats lining up strictly in oppotion, what is the goal for them and what did they gain by digging if likehi? >> i don't think any voters will vote against a joe manchin or joe donnelly or hidi heitkamp because they oppose the president's nomin to be v.a. secretary and that's why perhaps ronny jackson is in the mt dangerous situation. but for gina who played an integral role in t war on terror and portrayed as someone who was doing her duty, i think democrats will be more likely to cave a line up in her defense because these are partisan, political issues and president trump presented himself as a man of strength, i think he's far more likely to pound away at thatr and you'e more likely to see the red state democrats line up in h defense. >> the democotts whod for pompey voted for him as c.i.a. sector and about half of them who voted for him say they won't
do it and they have the luxury because they aren't up for reelection or aren't in states fhat are as republican. for somethe democrats in the really red states, it's hard for them to come back and say i thought he was okay for c.i.a. but not so greats for ecretary of state. th it's a harder line to walk in e places. >> nawaz: both sides are considering how this will look moving forward for future reelection bids in. the republican party at least now there's a bit of a void fore who speaks for party, where the leadership is coming from. talking about mitt roey now, i want to ask you, because the fact he failed to win the g.o.p. nomination in the open senate seat there. what does that mean, for a man like mitt romney, where the republican party is right now, what does that kind of stutter start mean for him and his future in the republican party? >> yeah, so utah has this very interesting procesto get o the ballot there. there's a convention and also a primar and in order to get on
to the primary ballot you need to get at least 40% to make it to the next levelth people who show up at these conventions, it's a very small percentage of the electorate. they are very ideological and very anti-whatever the establishmt is, they don't like it. the current governor who failed to get 60% at his convention ended up getting something like 70% of the republican primary vote. so that goes tshow you that don't look at this group of people who are willing to spend entire saturday siing around and listening to speeches by a whole bunch of republican politicians or the kind of people that show up and vote on hiection day. what it does, ik the bigger question going forward, i think mitt romney is clearly the favorite both for the primary and then for the general election, is what kind of senator we're with going to expect to see out of him. since becoming a candidate, he has embraced donald trump much more. obviously, he's not a huge an of donald trump so made the
campaign trail very clear. the president s endorsed romney. i think you will see that mitt romney is going to be the kind of senator that wve seen from some of these other western senators, maybe not the same exact frame as a jeff flake from arizona or john mccain from arizona or lisa murkowski from alaska. >> the first two are fairing well. >> they're doing great there in their chance force reelection, but the real question, is you know, you can say -- and he's done this before -- can i just oppose the presiofnt on some the stuff he does that i disagree with but make the se for him. >> well, also supporting the policy. i'll speak up and say i don't like what you're doing on x but not making it personal in the way he made it very personal in the campaign. >> i don't think it's that easy for romney to not make it personal after having been so personal. i think the only issue in the republican party is wh stand on donald trump and every
politician is being measured in relati to that. for someone like rom phi who said he doesn't think trump fit to be president and thinks he's a phony, i think it's hard for him to embrace trump and you're seeing this from ted cruz in texas who where wro the time 100 article praising him aftr being against trump. i think both are case studies in why trump is so successful. he offered an authnticity where these guys didn't, the guys on the rit and t left feel uncomfortable with establishmen bliticians. >> stranfellows. amy walter, eliana johnsanon, for your time. >> thank you. >> nawaz: it's national poetry month, whereby poetry is lauded in schools, libraries and
bookstores all over the country. poetry often gets a bad rap for being inaccessible, or too esoteric for most readers' tastes. but tonight, poet and author david gewanter shares his humble opinion on how, in fact, we use poetry in deeply important moments in our lives. ed just the other day, i heard that poetry had gain. poetry, the critics tell us, is too slow for our wired, sound- bitten world. i won't speak against these funeral directors of poetry. who knows, they might tell me i'm dead too. but little shreds of poems are lying all around-like clumps of on.a. found at the murder scensome healthy virus passing when a body meets a body, coming through the rye. you don't need to be much of a artective to find it. we all bits of song with us: tatters of prayers, movie lines or advertising jingles. we pocket them as souvenirs, to help us remember things, like"gh -tighty, leftie-loosie."
some poem viruses protect us, such as the sailor's rhyme, "red sky in morning: sailor's warning." so, poetry may be deadoems don't rest in peace. they leave little twigs and thorns inside our heads,.abbing us awa they witness our most vital moments. they warm our bedrooms, and cheer the birth-room. poems reliably show up for graduations, weddings, and retirements, brimming with tearful homilies. hrd they never miss a funeral. poems also help usgh the inosaic days. i heard a couple ha heart- not-to-heart exchange, and thought of the two-liner from my teacher, thom gunn: "their relationship consisted in discussing if it existed." years later, after thom gunn died, i wrote this dream-poem about him walking by: "my teacher limps on his heavy boot, the heel broken off.
a cobbler's shop appears, and i buy the black nails, the hammer, glue and strapping. i work hard on it, bending there until he speaks and lks on. but as he is dead, his voice and fep make no sound." poems help us mom who we are to who we want to become; they mix present life with our imagination and desires. like a seat-belt, crossing our hearts and loins, they define our position even as we travel down the road. so keep your poems close. the inner life you save may be your own. >> nawaz: former president george h.w. bush has been admitted to a houston hospital after contracting an infection. a spokesm said mr. bush is responding to treatment. this follows the death of his wife of 73 years last week. barbara bush was laid to rest
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