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-esigned our modern approach to banking around you your plans, your goals, your dreams. your tomorrow is now. purepoint financial. >> andow, "bbc world news." >> judge kavanaugh, they deserve -- anchor: you are watching "bbc world news america.": preme court now many brick kavana about charges made earlier today by christine blasey ford that he sexually assaultho her in high . he has been denying the activations. wee rejoin aring now in progress. >> judge kavanaugh has been a federal judge for 12 years, and has been a great federaludge on the second-highest court in the nation. he'sor earned a reputation fairness and decency. his clerks love him. , his a students, he teaches -- his students, he teacs in law school, his students love him. his colleagues love him. this man is not a monster, nor
is he what has been represented here in these hearings. we are talking today about judge kavanaugh's conduct in high school. and then as a geshman in college,ss. serious allegations have been haraisedjudge kavanaugh committed sexual assault, he should not serve on the supreme court. i think we can all agree on that. but the circus atmosphere that has been created since my democratic colleagues first leaked dr. ford's allegations to the media two weeks ago after sitting on them for six weeks, that has brought out the worst in our politics. it certainly has brought us no closer to the truth. anonymous letters wh no name, no return address, are now being treated as national news. withstar lawyers implausible claims are driving e news cycle. i hate to say this, but this is
rse thanobert bork, and i didn't think it could get worse than that. this is worse than clarence thomas, and i didn't think that could get worse than that. this is a national t disgrac way you are being treated, and in the middle of it all, judge kavanaugh, a man who until two weeks ago was a pillar of the legal community. no whisper of misconduct from him the entire time he has been a judge. but we have our usuorroborated, tantiated claims, from his teenage years. claims that every alleged eyewitness has either denied or failed to corroborate. i do not mean to minimize the seriousness of the claims. yes, they have been serious claims, but the search for truth has to involve more than bare assertio. judge kavanaugh deserves treatment. he was an immature highschooler,
so were we all. that he wrote sometimes does not make him a sexual predator. i desire the -- i understand the desire of my dolleagues to tear this ma at any cost, but let's at least be aware of the facts, or absence there. guilt by association is wrong. immaturity does not equal criminality. that judge kavanaugh drank in high school or college does not make him guilty of every terrible thing he has recently been accused of. a lifetime of respect and equal treatment often means something when assessing allegations that are flatly inconsistent with the 'urse of a persons entire adult life's, but those comments, i would like to ask you a few questions, if i can, and if you can be short in your answers it would help me get through bunch of them, about how this process has unfolded. eawhen did you first of dr. ford's allegations against you? >> it was a week ago sunday,
when the washington post story -- >> isn't that amazing? did the rking member raise these allegations in your one-on-one meeting with her last month? >> she did not. >> did the ranng member raise em at your public hearing earlier this month? >> no. >> did the ranking member raise them at the closed session that followed the public hearing? >> she was n there. >> did the ranking member or any inher colleagues raise them the 1300 written questions submitted toou following the aring? >> no. >>s when e first time the ranking member or her staff asked you about these allegations? >> today. >> when did you first hear of ms. ramirez's allegations against you? inin the last, p and the -- the period since the new yorker story. >> did the ranking member or any
of her staff ask about the ramirez allegations before they were leaked to the press? >> no. >> when was the first time the ranking member, any of her colleagues or staff, asked you about ms. ramirez's allegations? >> today. >> i think it is a disgrace. >> senator kuntz. >> tnk you, mr. chairman. judge kavanaugh, today's hearing is about dr. ford's serious sexualions about assault. you have unequivocally denied but we are he today to assess her credibly and yours. in our previous rigorous exchanges in the previous confirmation rounds, i found that your answers were at times vigorously defended, but at other times struck me as evasive or not credible on key issues. it is based on that i'm seeking to assess your credibility today. you said in your opening that the rule of law means taking allegations seriously, and i agree with that. it brings me no joy to question you on these topics today, but i
d think they are serious worthy of our attention. so let me if i can return to a li ofuestioning my colleague was on before, which wasut a whether you have ever gotten aggressive while drinking, or forgotten an evening after drinking? >> those are two different questions. i have artie answered the second one. i think therst, answer to that is basically no. iat don't really know ou mean by that. what rare you lking about? i don't mean it that way, but -- no is the basic answer unless you are talking about something i'm not aware of you are going to ask about. >> the reason i'm asking, we have had a vy brief time to weigh outside evidence, and i will join my colleagues in saying i wish we had more evidence in front o us today weigh. do you remove berlin swish --
do you remember lynn swisher, a college classmate from yale? >> on the point about outside evidence -- i'm trying to get to this question. >> i know, but you made point. i want to emphasize, all four witnesses allegedly at the evenn have said it d happen, including dr. ford's longtime friend, ms. kaiser. >> and if mark judge wertoin front of uy to question we would be able to assess his credibility. let me g through this, your honor. az is swisher -- liz swisher, college classmate, now medical doctor. she said in a recent interview, brett kavanaugh drank more than a lot of people. he would slur his words, instum it is not credible for him to say he had no memory lapses in the nights h drank to excess. i know, because i drank with him. sshow should we as that? >> she then goes on, if you kept reading, and says she can't point to anypecific instances
like that. >> the quote that jumped out at me was that brett was a sloppy drunk, and i know because i drank with him. >> i do not think that is a fair characterization, and chris dudley is quoted in that article. i would refer you to wt chris dudl said. i spent more time with chris dudl t in collegen just about anyone, and i would refer you to what he said. >> otherti rep, as i'm sure you know, a college classmate described you as relatively shy, but said when you drink you could be aggressive or even belligerent. as you haoommate, discussed with senator klobuchar, said you were frequently drunk. >> that roommate, that was my freshman year roommate. there was contention between him and the third person. there were three of us in a small room. you should look at what i said in the redacted portion of the transcript about him, and you should assess his credibility with that in mind. >> put yourself in our shoes for a moment, if yowould, judge,
and i know that's asking a lot of you in this questio but suppose you had gone through a process to select someone for an incredibly important job, in a position you had a lot of and ased candidates for, you finish the hiring process you learn of a credi allegation that if true would be disqualifying. tuldn't you either take a step back and conductrough investigation, or moved to a different candidate? and why not agreed to a one-week pause, to allow the fbi to investigate all these allegations and allow you an opportunity one week from now to have the folks in front of u for us to assess their credibility andurither clear ame or resolve these allegations by moving to a dierent nominate? all four witnesses alleged to be at the event said it did not happen, inuding dr. ford's longtime friend ms. kaiser, who eid she did not know me and doesn't recar being at a party with me, with or without
dr. ford. >> what i struggleith, judge kavanaugh, is the absence of fair,er f law enforcement-driven, nonpartisan process to question thous people who i think are critical to this. my concern, should you move forward, is what it will do, to the credibility of the court, and how that may well hangyo ovr service. i understand -- >> senator, my reputation has been -- >> i calling for an fbi investik tion in one w clear or confirm these allegations? >> when you say a one-week delay, do you know how long the last 10 days have been? >> probably an attorney -- eterni. but in the judge thomas case, a four-day delay. >> every day has been a lifetime. and you know, it has been instigated. all four witnesses say it did not happen, and they has said it under penalty of felony, and i have produced my cendars, whic show a lot,
important evidence. and you act like, i mean, the last 10 days, i asked for a hearing the day after the allegation. >> before i call on senator lee, i want to emphasize something re. talking about wiing something out enough time. 30had 45 days betweejuly and september 13, i believe it is, when we could have been investigating this. and in regard to this candidate, if you take the average of 65o 70 days between the time a rson is announced by the president and the senate votes on it is about 65 to 70 days. and here we are at 85 to 90 days. so there is plenty of time put on this nomination. senator lee?
wait a minute, ithave one other g. everybody else has been putting letters in the cord. i have a letter here from 65 men who knew judge kavanaugh between years 1979 and years 1983, the years he attended georgetown prep high school. these women wrote to the committee because they know judgkavanaugh and they know the allegations raised by dr. ford are completely inconsistent these women know him through social events, and church. avmanyremained close friends with him. here is what they say, partly quoting the " through the more than 35 years we havknown him, brett has stood out for his character, friendship and integrity. he has always treated women with decency and respect. that was true in high school,ns and it remrue to this day. judgesing, they wro kavanaugh "has always been a good person." without objectioni put it in
the record. senator lee? >> you have been cooperative at every stage of the investigation, both your background investigation and the investigation by this committee, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> also correct, you yourself do not control the fbi or when it conducts an investigation. you are a nominee, you are not sk with the job of deciding who, when, or a h investigation is conducted? >> that's correct. >>y but at ment when either we or prior to the committee taking jurisdiction over, the fbi, has asked you, questio you have been attentive and responsive, isn't that right? >> that's correct, throughout my career. >> my colleagues today have repeatedlysked for an fbi investigation, and there are some ironies in this, ironies that are at least two levels. in the first place, at least one of my colleagues, at least one of them, had access to this information many, many weeks before anyone else did. had the ability, and i belie the moral duty and obligation,
to report those facts to the i, at which point they could have and would have been investigated by the fbi, and that could have been handled in such a way that in turn this into a circus. hone th turned your life upside down, that of your family, and that of dr. ford and her fami upside down. i consider this most unfortunate, given that this was entirely within the control of at least one of my democratic colleagues to do this. the second level of irony here hile calling repeatedly for an investigation by the fbi, an investigation over which you have no ability to control, an investigation you have no authority to call for, while calling for an investigation we are in the middle of a conversation involving questns to you. i asked my democratic colleagues, if you have questions for judge kavanaugh, ask him. he's right here. if that's what you really want, ask him right now. if you have questions for othe witnesses, for the love of all that is sacred and holy, participate in the committee
investigations going a oyou have not been participating, with the committee staff investigating outsidnesses. if someone really were interested in the truth, this is what they would do. they would participate in the investigation, and when we have a committee investigation, committee hearing with live witnesses, they would talk about that rather than sending us they wish they we having in front them. if what they want is a search for the truth, now is their choice. if on the other hand they want to delay this until after the election, which at least one of my colleagues on the democratic side has acknowledged, that ip wh they would do -- might be what they would do. finally, there is significant president from our former chairmanmif the cee, chairman joe biden. during the clarence thomas hearregs, nearly decades biden madean interesting observations about fbi reports and their role. he said, "the next person who
refers to an fbi report as being worth anything obviously doesn't understand anything. the fbi especially does not, in this or any other case, reach a conclusion, period. the reason we cannot rely on the fbi report, you would not like it if we did, because it is inconclusive. fbihen people wave an before you, understand that they do not, they do not reach conclusions. they do notak as my friend points out, they do not recommendations." in other words, the role of the fbi is to flag issues. e those issues hen flagged. he, sadly in this casewere not flagged with the timing they should have been, and therefore haey could not be addressed in a manner that woul preserved a lot more dignity for you, your family, a family.. ford and her they were instead held out until the final moment.
i coider that most unfortunate, and for that, on behalf of this committee, i extend to you my most profound sympathies and my most profound since these two dr. ford and her family as well -- profound sympathies to dr. ford and her family as well. >> can i have the last minute of senator lee, so that senator kennedy can be recognized? judge, we did 38 hours in public. did we have any private hearings with you? >> yes. >> was that a fun time for you, whenul senators ask questions that are awkward or uncomfor alcoholism, potential gambling addiction, credit card debt, if your friends floated you money to buy baseball tickets, did you enjoy that time we spent here? >> im always happy to cooperate with the committee. >> that's charitable. were you ever asked about any sexual allegations, when we had that time with you alone? >> no. >> did the ranking member
already have these allegations, or i guess this would have been 7, theer 6 four 7 -- or letter was written on july 30, recommendation was made by the ranking member or her staffo dr. ford, and by the way i think dr ford is a victim and she has been throug' hell, and i'very synthetic for her. but the ranking member staff, did they make a recommendation to hire a lawyer, and yet a hearing with you and none of these were asked. ce the fbi investigation was closed, when we were done meeting in public and private, then this was sprunon you. i want to make sure i have the dates correct. we have 35-plus days from all the time that this evidence wa in the hands, recommendations made to an outside lawyer. you could have handled all this. we could have had this conversation in private, in a iy that did not onlyo
yield my time. that was a little bit of a question. >> thank you. >> thanks, mr. chairman. good afternoon, judge kavanaugh. as a federal judge you are aware of the jury instruction, falsis inunibus, omnis, are you not? you are aware of the jury instruction? >> i am. >> you know what it means? >> you can translated for me, setor, you can do it better. >> false in one thing, false in everything. in jury instructions that some of us prosecutors have heard manyimes, a jury can disbelieve a witness if they find him to be false in one thing. so the core of why we are here today is really credibility.
let me talk -- >> the core of why we are here is an allegation for which the four witnesses present have said it did not happen. >> let me ask you about renar te dolphin, who lives in connecticut. she thought the yearbook statements were "horribci, hurtful any on true, -- "renatentrue," because alumni" clearly implied some boast of sexual conquest, and that is the reason you apologized to her? >> that is false, about the yearbook. she and i never had any sexual interactions. your question is fse. i addressed that in the opening question, your question is based on a false premise and really does great harm to her. i don't know why you are bringing this up, frankly, doing great harm to her by even
bringing her name appear, really unfortunate. >> well, calling someone an interpretedur way, by a number of your football friends at the time as boasting of sexual conquest. that's the reason i bring it up. >> it is false. look what you are bringing up right now about her. ok what you are doing. >> mr. chairman, please don't interrupt and subtract from my time. >> ask your question -- >> she's a greaterson. she has always been a great person. we never had any sexual interaction. ribying this up, you are just dragging her through the mud. it's justry unneces mr. chairman. to aade reference, judge, sworn stement, i believe, by mark judge to the committee. is that correct? ? >> i made ference to what mark
judge's lawyer sent to the committee. >> it is not a sworn statement, is it? >> under penaltyf felony. >> it is a statement signed by gelder.er, barbara van it is six cursory and conclusory sentences. are you saying that as a titute for an investigation by the fbi for some interview by the fbi under oath? >>ty under penf felony, he said that this kind of event did not happen, and that i never did or would have done something like that. >> as a federal judge, you always want the best evidence, don't you? >>enator, he has said, and all the witnesses present, looat ms. kaiser's statement. >> let me move on to another topic. you testified to this committee this morning, this afternoon, "this whole two week effort has
been a calculated pd orchestratitical hit, withpparent pent-up anger about president trump and the 2016 election, fea unfairly stoked about my judicial recordr, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and millions of dollars in money from left-wing opposition groups." is it your testimony that the motivation of the courageous woman who sat where you did, just a short timego, was reven ge on behalf of a left-wing conspiracy, or the clintons? >> senator, i said in my opthing statemen she preferred confidentiality. and her confidentiality was destroyed by the actio of this committee. >> let me ask you this. in a speech that you ge at "falling outed
of the bus onto the front steps sof the whole lool at 4:45 a.m." >> i was in describing me. senator -- i was not describing me. senator, let me finish, please. i organize a third-year end of school year pay to rent a bus d go to fenway park in boston. i bought all the tickets, youth and i discusse before, i bought the tickets, i rented the bus, i organized the whole trip. we went to fenway park, roger clemens was pitching for the red sox, we had a great time. george brett was playing third base for the royals, actually leftield that night. we went to the game, got back, and then we wentuta great night of friendship. >> i apologize for interrupting, judge, but i need to finish the quote before i ask you the question. that you tried
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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff.to on the newshought, the nation tunes in and now the senate must decide: christine blasey ford testifies she is 100% sure brett kavanaugh sexually assaulted her d the supreme court nominee vehemently denies her claims. >> i am here because i believe it is my civic duty to tell you what happened to me while brett kavanaugh and i were in hi school. >> i have never done this to her or to anyone not who i am. not who i was. >> woodruff: we devote all of tonight's pbs newshour to this remarkable day of testimony.