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laura: welcome to our viewers on public television in america and around thelobe. we are used to reporting on turmoil in u.s. politics, but today all the turbulence was in britain. one day after saying her cabinet backs the brexit deal, today the prime minister was deluged by ministers resigning, mostno bly the brexit secretary. theresa may is defiant, though, saying she will see her plan through. but leading brexit supporters are calling foidher to step the bbc's political editor laura kuenssberg starts our coverage. this seems to be some interest in today's proceeding. laura k.: on exactly the spot where theresa may took on the job of prime minister, the march of tlk brexiteers trying to wa
her to the exit. >> what we need is a leader who will say to the european union that it is impossible to divid the united kingdom, iis impossible to agree to a situation where we have a perpetual customs union. laura k.:do whaou say to some of our viewers who think that this is self-indulgent and you are complaining about a practical compromise and this is about the ambition of brexiteers rather than what is good for the country? >> it is nothing to do with ambition of brexiteers. it is what is good for t country. leaving the european union isic the most fantapportunity for the united kingdom. laura k.: the ugly fight over how we leave the european union now an open battle in the tory part.for who runs the country what are we all to make of this warfare playing out in front of our eyes? those who still back her, exasperated. >> stop rocking thboat, stop wrecking.
otherwise this will prise an historictrous period not just for the conservative party and the government but for the country. >> good morning, minister. laura k.:ho that dashed by this s man, the brexitecretary who quit and did not make the journey to work today. , the pensionnt secretary who gave up her ministerial full or, too. seven members of the government have gone today. in protestrof a brexit cose the but she is still there, even wi resignations and open revolt. can she stay? she will try. prime min. may serving in high office is an honor and privileg it is also a heavy responsibility. that is true at any time, but especially when the stakes are so high. negotiating the u.k.'s withdraw fromerhe eu a0 years and building from the ground up a
new an enduring relationship for the good of our children and grandchildren is a matter of the consequence. my approach throughout has been to put the national interest first. i do not judge harmyly those of colleagues who seek to do the same but reach a different concluon. i'm sorry that they are chosen to leave the governmen and i thank them for their service. but believe with every fiber of my being that the course i've set out is the right one r our country and our people laura k.: is another case thfi you are in but not really in power? ime min. may: i'm going to do my job of getting the best deal for britain. i am going to do my job of getting a deal that is in the national interest. wh the vote comes before the house of commons, the mp's will do their job. am i going to see this thr gh? laura k.: she just made it plain that s wants to stay but she may have to go.
with her party in roof all, colleagues are -- inco revolt, eagues are organizing to shove her from office. this could be a gale that sweeps through in a couple of days or a storm that brings the prime minister and her government down. she cannot ignore this. listen to the now-departed brexit secretary condemning the deal. dozens and dozens his colleagues hold this view. >> i find very hard to get -- i fought very hard to get a good deal that i could inood conscience take to my country. trat was proposed is not only damaging to the co it is impossible to reconcile with the promises we made in the last election. statement, the prime minister. laura k.:de beyond rted colleagues, is it realistic that theresa may can get hurt version ?through parliame prime min. may: i do not pretend that this is a comfortable process from or that i or we or
the eu are happy with all the arrangements in it. mr. speaker, when i became prime minister in 2016, there was no ready-made blueprint for brexit. many people said it could simply not be done. i have never accepted that. laura k.: watch her colleagues -- half of them cheering, half of them arms crossed, hardly knowing where to look. 57 minutes of bitter complaint after bitt cplaint. >> this is not the deal the untry was promised, and parliament cannot and i believe will not accept a false choice between this bad deal and no deal. withdrawnment must now this half-baked to deal, which it is clear does not have the backing of the cabinet, this parlment, or the country as a whole. laura k.: like it or not, it is in this circus that the government decided.e will be
in a moment of the absurd, theresa may cracking a joke during an intense isis. the prime minister at the mercy of others, but still in place. laura: laura kuenssberg reporting there. a ief time ago i discussed all of these developments with our nortamerican editor jon sopel, who is no stranger to covering british politics.re is tome houdini-like ance that the prime minister can get her brexit deal through parliament? jon: well, she is clearly stilli fi to get that through. at the moment it is a question of arithmetic and the arithmetic is not there for her. you have people on the right of the conservative party and you have other people, democratic unionist politicians from northern ireland, some labor politicians, who are saying that this brexit deal is e near good enough. you have the labor party, her main o deal is not good enough. you have very few people saying
oh, yes, this is great. and so you have got three cech it seems to me. hard brexi, cliff-edge brexit. you have the theresa may plan. or you have got a referendum. second at the moment -- there are a lot of pieces in motion, t but moment there is no majority for anything, and it is fiendishly complicated. my twitter has been fabulous today. this one i love -- "my wife has itched off the news, exclaiming this is too , and rer med writing ronautical thesis." laura: less complited than brexit. can the prime minister survive if she cannot get her brexit deal through? jon: iis impossible to see how she survives. but all those people who have been saying about theresa may, you should have gotten a better dealrom the european union,
they have been rather short on etter deal what that is. how it would be negotiated and whether the european union would agree to it. maybe the problem is not theresa may and her negotiating skills or the negotiating skills of her civil servant. maybe it is just fiendishlyco licated. we heard in laura's report there, it is 40 years we haven beene european union. all sorts of government departments do not take key decisions because they are enmeshed in brussels legislation. britain has got to transfer these responsibilities and rear great -- reintegrate them back into the british system. it is mind bogglingly complicated. sorting that deal out is fiendishly difficult. laea: and there is very lit time. britain is supposed to leave the european union at the end of march. do we know if that is what will happen? jon: i still think it is possible that somewhere,
somehow, the is a second referendum or there becomes a general election. as i say, at the moment in the house of commons, which is where the vote will take place, there is no majority for anything. but it could be an opportunistic move by the labor party leader, to turn around and say the nation is hopelessly divided, i didn't want a second referendum, but we cannot agree, on anytho let's for this to the people one more time. one other scenario i will give you is that we triggered this thing called article 50, which op the thing that will lead to us leaving the en union. igat if theresa may says i have had a go, i am rng as prime minister, i cannot get this through parliament, but as -- so that we avoid this hard brexit, i will rescind article 50 and let someone else take it over andee if they can do better than me. i would not be surprised if that happens, that someone sa i will not go anywhere near this,
it is just is held in abeyance and we are still in the europene union and noants to go near the live rail of a second referendum on it. laura:xi well, bhas been so divisive just like donald trump. i know my own family in britainv ised over brexit. it is not an exact parallel. ijon: in my life ththe most consequential moment in british political history. i don't say that glibly. i say that hard. the fall of thatcher was a major political ns story, but it was replacing one prime minister with another. this is fundamentally altering the relationship that britain has and it will last a lifetime. donald trump, if the people are ckd up with him, they can him out. that is the end of it. maximum six more years of donald trump. brexit is for life. laura: jon sopel, our north america editor talking brexit with mearlier. in other news, public prosecutors in saudi arabia say
they will seek the death penalty for those charged f th the murderurnalist jamal khashoggi. mr. khashoggi was killed after entering the saudi consulate in istanbul. after initial denials, the saudis said he was killed in a rogue operation. europe's top hun rights court has found that the repeated attention of russian opposition leader -- repeated detention of russian opposition leader alexeo navalny was tically motivated. he feel -- filed the complaint enth the court of human rights. it found his sev arrests between 2012 and 2014 had been aimed at suppressing clinical pluralism. it will take years to rebuild the california town of paradise -- that is the verdict of top officials who are dealing with the devaation caused by deadly wildfires. so far 58 people have been killed and more than 100 are still missing. our correspondent dan johnson sent this report from the scene.
dan: these are the teams that have to answer the painful questionsha tha in the acrid air -- what happened to my loved one, how many more peopl are house after house from the street after street, the ashes of this community slowly revealing the lives once. lived he his work is difficult and the conditions can be dangerous, d the scale of the task is almost impossible to comprehend. more than 1000 properties ruined more than 100 people still missing. there is no good news here, no positive outcome only another name to add to the list of lives lost. they sift through the rubble with respect and they are trying to preserve some dignity. >> they are special people. i don'thi humans are intended to see this stuff. , the think everybody c in with the intent of trying to provide closure to the families
because right missing.y are dan: so there is still more for them to do, and as they look further, it only gets worse. dan johnson, bbc news, paradise. laura: the president will go to california himself on saturday on ine the devasta person the deadline has come and gone ballots in there cenate and governor's were undergoing a recount. now everyone awaits the results and it will not surprise you to learn that the drama might not be over yet. rajini vaidyanathan is in fort hererdale, and i spoke to moments ago. what is the latest, and are we any closer to a result down there?ra ni: well, that is a very good question, because we have just heard in the last few minutes that certainly in the race for senate afe r that machcount that ended at 3:00 today, the margin of error between the two candidates wasqu less than ter of a percent which means that it does now
automatically move to another recount, laura. this time it will be a hand recount, so people physically unting vote after vote. the deadline for that to be compled is sunday. we have heard that from the florida secretary of state's office. it is unclear on the race we were watching that had a recount, the race for governor in florida. laura: rajini vaidyanathan reporting frar florida. yo watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, president trump unleashes on the mueller isestigation, tweeting iit a disgrace to the nation. tensions built in the white house over wherehe probe heads next. an operation to return muslim rohingyas from refugee camps inside bangladesh to myanmar has stalled because they don't want
to go. many of the refugees has been protesting the move. yogita lamaye reports. yogita: there are rohingya refugees gathered in one of the camps. they emphatically all say they do not want to go back to me and my. -- two myanmar. labash government officials are telling these people that logistics are in there are buses out here and a transitd camp if they woulke to go back to me and my fifth two myanmar. people are shouting and waving their hands andome holding placards. clearly they don't want to go back. some of their demands -- the first is that they p.should be given citizens and security issues, they want to feel safe. hundds of thousands of peopl fled from myanmar last year.
wereis refugee camp, they fleeing violence and persecution. many of them saw family members killed in front of their eyes. more than a year ler, they say they still don't feel safe. a:la yogita lamaye reporting there. our correspondent has been following the story o' myanmar' border, where the refugees were expected to return, and he has this update. reporter: we are not aware of any rohingya efugees going back across the border today. what happens now? the problem is myanmarasnd bangladesheen involved in this scheme together without outside help. the u.n. has not been involved in any way. we have to see if those two countries are willing to wait or willing to take on external hel to solve the situation that continues.
laura: t president is getting more and more frustrated wit e mueller investigation. this morning he attacked it on twitter. he called those working on the probe into russian interferencei race to the nation and democratic thugs. for more on the president's increasingly aggressive tone, i spoke brief time ago with susant page, wash bureau chief for "usa today." susan page, the president has renewed his attacks on the special counsel after relative quiet. any clues as to why? n: we think the storm is gathering when it comes to the special counsel. the spial counsel kept pretty quiet in those final weeks ofti our midterm els. now we think he is close to issuing his report on whether there was collusion with the trump campaign in 16 and whether the president is guilty of obstruction of justic and we think the president is all too aware that this is about t come out. laura: one of the president's tweets in particular is raisingn
ore eyebrows than usual when he condemned the inner workings of the mueller campaign. why is that drawing so muchn? attent susan: he has named a new acting attorney general, matt whitakeri who has beencized by some for not being a suitable attorney general, for being rhaps political. before he was in the justice department, he was very critical ofhe special counsel investigation, said there was nothing there. there is fear about what he might do in terms of informing the president, trying to limit the special counsel's scope. we don't know what will happen there and was quite a bit of ncn especially with democrats in congress but also some republicans. laura:he we aring rumblings from the odd republican senator about passing a law to protect robert mueller. t any chance tll happen? susan:ov democrats wouldto do that. there are some republicans who think it is appropriate. lebut the senate majoriter, mitch mcconnell, has been pretty firm that he will not bring that
up for a vote, and the senate majority leader has enlot of power t comes to what comes to the floor. until you get past mitch mcconnell, it will not go anywhere. laura: we do know that the president reportedly mh his lawyers this week and is apparently working on written tswers to the questions t robert mueller has put to him. does that suggest that this is -- as you say, the clouds are gathering? susan: yes, i think it is a sign that they are in the final stages. they have had months and months of negotiations over whether the president would submit to a face-to-face interview w special counsel. people were skeptical that was ever going to happen. i think it is clear that i going to happen. he is responding to written questions and lots of negotiations about what would lo d. the fact that the president is trying to sit dot and figure at he wants to say is a sign that we are the final stages of that portion, at least, of the special counsel's t quiry. laura: there have en any indictments from the special counsel for a while. as you say, he went quiet during
the midterms. buttons of of speculation t something could happen soon. susan: there is speculation that roger stone, a notorious figure in american politics, might be cton the verge of being in. that would get pretty close to the presidents inner circle. laura: susan page, thank you for joining us. susan: thank you. laura: all this week the bbc is running a series going beyond fake news, tracking how disinformation is spread andat e can do to stop it. we all know about the charges that russia meddled in the u.s. presidential election.ew but a ork times" documentary reveals russia has an influence campaign to chair the west apart for decades. one of the reporters behind the tiproject joined me a shor ago. we think of fake news as being a recent trend, but didn't president reagan himself warned about the threat of russian disinformation? >> yeah, we uneartd these old videotapes from the 1980's of kgb defectors who had come to
the west and spilling the secrets of how fake news stories were made and concocted by kgb ficers during the soviet union. president reagan took this threat quite seriously, and when he came into town, he had a newy po before president reagan, the u.s. policy was basically don't respond to fake news stories because you dignify them. but reagan sought to fight them quite aggressively and to debunk them and to go publicly about the tactics that the soviets were using to create anti-american conspiracies. laura: tell us about this classic fake news story about how the u.s. government supposedly created the aids virus to tget vulnerable sectors of the population. adam: it's really one of the most spectacular and stunning hoaxes ever created. the conspiracy essentially says that in a laboratory in the state of maryland, which w a
real military facility in maryland, the u.s. military had created the aids virus as a so-called ethnic weapon to kill blacks and gays. the soviets not only thought ofu d is big liespread it with a really well oichinery, first in india and later into africa and throughout all of latin america. we found 80 examples of this appearing in newspaperes around the world. ura: how is the internet really just adding rocket fuel to the old russian tactics? adam: in our film we compare two cases, theoax of the u.s. creating the aids virus in the mid-1980's to the pizzagate conspiracy around the 2016 u.s. presidential election. when you overlay these cases, you see so many of the sam tactics. but the one thing that is very
fferent is that in the 1980's,ai th conspiracy took essentially six years to sort of go viral in a pre-internet era. when you look at the pizzagate case, that was made and disseminated in less than six weeks. and the reason for that massive gap in time range is the modern-day case had the internet behind it. just enables things to go viral at a speed that was unimaginable during the cold war. laura: your documentary shows that eastern european countries are fighting back against russian disinformation. what is proving effective? europeanw easter governments and civil societies are essentially the leaders in sniffing out and detecting russian disinformation. they have lived in the shadow of russian lies and forced ideologo generations. laura: thank you so much for joining us. adam: thank you for having me. laura: i am laura trevelyan.
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