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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm nidy woodruff. on the newshour t... >> the horizons he saw were bright and hopeful.mi opic man, and that optimism made each of usieve that anything was possible.dr >> wf: a nation mourns a president. we have special coverage of the funeral of george h.w. bush. then, facebook under fire-- new documents reveal the social media giant gave special access to user information to selectie comp and, the future of work.nt miles o'brien ues our series with a look at a world where we carlaborate with ficial intelligence. >> we now have a new s really of inherently safe robots
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presgeorge h.w. bush began his last journey early today at the u.s. capitol, acied by the bush family, and the melancholy chords of the u.s. navy band that set the tone on this national day of mourning. he 41st president's casket was driven through trt of washington, passing by the white house a final time, and ultimately, arriving at washington national cathedral, for the invitation-only funeral. outside, onlookers lined the t street, to pir own respects. >> president bush was my commander-in-chi when i was in the military. so it was just fitting for me to come out and say goodbye to him. >> you have to show honor to things thamatter. and . bush mattered. so this is my way of saying he mattered in my life.
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>> woodruff: inside, a rare gaering of leaders and luminaries, led by fivformer presidents, cabinet secretaries, senators and several supreme court justices. over the next two hours, they celebrat george h.w. bush with praise, humor and at times, tears. presidential historian jon meacham recalled the moment that history might have taken a very different turn, when a young navy pilot was shot down over the pacific, during world war two.>> he future 41st president of the united states, was alone. sensing his men hadn't made it,o he wrcome. he felt the weight of responsibility as a nearly physical burden. and he wept. then, at four minutes shy of
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noon, a submarine emerged to rescue the downed pilot. george herbert walker bush was safe. the story, his story a ours, wod go on by god's grace. through e ensuing decades, president bush would frequently ask, nearly daily-- he'd ask himself why me? why was i spared? and in a sense, the rest of his life was a perennial effort to prove himself worthy of his salvation that distant morning. >> woodruff: mr. bush, meacham said, famously kept a frenetic pace, from speed golf to cigarette boats, and even, to campaigning. >> he never slowed down.
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on the primary campaign trail t once, he grabb hand of a manikin asking for votes. when he realized his mistake, asked, never know. got to ask. >> woodruff: meachamd mr. bush "america's last great soldier-statesman," presiding over the fall of the soviet union, and rallying a coalition to fight the first gulf war. >> he stood in the breach in the ld war against totalitarianism. he stood in e breach in washington against unthinking partisanship. he stood in the breach against tyranny and discrimination. and on his watch, a wall fell in berlin. the george herbert walker bush, o survived that fiery fa into the waters of the pacific three-quarters of a century ago, made our lives and the lives of nations freer, better, warmer, and bler.
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that was his as his heartbeat. and if we listen closely enough, we can hear that heartbeat eveni now, fs the heartbeat of a lion. a lion who not only led us, but who loved us. that's, why him. that's why he was spared. w druff: the funeral drew world leaders past and present, including former canadian prime minister brian mulroney, whose term in office overlapped mr. bush's terms as pr pident and visident. he recalled one of their first encounters. >> at his first nato meeting in brussels, as the new american president, he sat opposite of me actually.
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that day george wanotaking copious as heads of envernment spoke, ending only when the secretaryal of nato firmly decreed a coffee brea george put down his pen, walked over to me and said, "i just learned fundamental principle of international affairs." i said, what's that george? he said, "the smaller the country, the longer the speech"" >> woodruff: mulroney had special praise for the late president's dealings with canada, including the trade deal ultimately signed by president clinton, and more recently, rejected by president trump. >> president bush was also responsible for nafta, recently modernized and improved by new administrations. which created the largest and richest free trade area in the
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history of the world. >> woodruff: but aside from policy, the former prime minister remembered a friend, and labor day weekendse bush family home in kennebunkport, maine. >> he led me down the porch to the side of the house that edfronts the ocean and poio a small simple plaque that haded been instaust some days earlier. it read c-a-v-u. tageorge said, "brian thiss for "ceiling and visibility unlimited" when i was a terrified 18-19 year old pilot in the pacific, those were the words we hoped to hear before takeoff. it meant perfect flying. and that's how i feel about our life today. c-a-v-u. everything is perfect. we couldn't have asked for better lives.
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we're truly happy and truly at peace." >> woodruff: former wyoming senator alan simpson was likewise a close friend of mr. bush-- a bond forged through decades together in washington. >> and he was a man of suchgr t humility, those who travel the high road of humility in a washington, d. not bothered by heavy traffic. >> woodruff: simpson fondlyre lled nights that the two men and their wives spent together, enjoying plays and music >> the four of us went to see michael crawford, singing the e ngs of andrew lloyd webber. all four of us wnging when we went back to the white hous"" dont cry for me argentina" and tidbits from phantom of the opera and other magic of webber, and a few days later hs getting hammered by the press for some extraordinarily petty
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bit of trivia, and suddenly he sings out, "don't cry for me logentina" the press then wrote that he was finallng his marbles. >> woodruff: the famed simpson wit elucidated the man he was mourning as someone who loved a good joke, but, who was so muc more, as wel >> he never lost his sense of humor, humor is the universal solvent against the abrasive elements of life, that's what humor is. he never hated anyone. he knew what his mother and my mother always knew; hatred corrodes the container it's carried in. the most decent and honorable person i ever met was my friende geush. one of nature's noblemen. >> woodruff: perhaps the most poignant moments of the day came
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when the 43rd prw.ident, george ush, rose to deliver his own eulogy. he mixed humor and pathos, recaing a father of boundles energy, and a zest for life. >> at age 90, george h.w. bush parachuted out of an aircraft and landed on the grounds of st. anne's by the sea in kennebunkport maine. the church where his mom wasrr d and where he worshipped often. mother liked to say he chose the location just in case the chute didn't open. (laughter) in his 90s, he took great delight when his closest pal james a. baker smuggled a bottle grey goose vodka into his hospital room. apparently it paired well with steak baker had delivered from morton's. to his very last days, dad's
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life was instructive. as he aged, he taught us how to ow with dignity, humor a kindness. and when the good lord finally called, how to meet him with courage and with the joy of thes prof what lies ahead. >> woodruff: the formerke president se paid tribute to his father's famous appeal for a kinder, gentler nation, and his call to volunteer. >> dad taught us that public service is noble and necessary. that one can serve with grity and hold true to t important values like faith and family. he strongly believed that it was important to give back to the community d country in which one lived. he recognized that sving others enriched the givers' soul. to us, his was the brighte of 1000 pois of light. >> woodruff: but the late president facedarkness early in his family life: the loss of his daughter, robin, to
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leukemia. >> jeb and i were too younto remember the pain and agony he and mom felt when our three- year-old sister died. we only learned later that dad, a man of quiet faith, prayed for her dail he was sustained by love of the almighty. a and the re enduring love of her mom. dad always believed that one day he would hug his precious robin again. >> woodruff: ultimately, the 43rd president painted the 41st as a public man of distinction and a private man of warmth,in lea family to grieve a father, grandfather and great grandfather. >>ese was firm in his princi and supportive as we began to seek our own ways. he encouraged and comforted but never steered. we tested his patience. i know i did. (laughter)
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but he always responded with the great gift of unconditional love.n last friday, wwas told he had minutes to live, i called him. a guy answered the phone and c said "i think hear you but he hasn't said anything for most othe day." i said, "dad, i love you and you've been wonderful father." and the last words he would ever say on earth were "i le you too." through our tears let us knowes ngs of knowing and loving you. a great and noble man. the best father a son or h daughter coue. (crying) and in our grief, let us smile knowing that dad is huggingg robin and holdm's hand again. >> woodruff: the rec the bush family's home episcopal church in houston was at the president's bedside in his final hours. reverend russell levdeson
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vered the homily today. >> it was a beautiful end. it was a beautiful beginning. for a moment, but a moment only, that dear point of light we knoe as georgert walker bush dimmed. tbut it now shines brightn it ever before has. mr. president, mission complete. well done, good anfaithful servant. welcome to your eternahome wherceiling and visibility a unlimited and life goes on forever. >> woodruff: the service concluded with famed irish tenor ronan tynan singing the lord's prayer.
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>> ♪ lead us not into temptation ♪ for thine is the kingdom >> woodruff: and, the nationally sed service funeral came to a close. >> let us go forth in the name of christ. thanks be to god. >> woodruff: with th benediction, a slow procession carried the flag-draped casket from theathedral, to a waiting motorcade. departure ceremony followed at joint base andrews in maryland, including a 21-gun salute. and then, president george h.w. bush lshington for the last time. the casket was flown to houston, ere mr. bush will lie in repose overnight at st. martin's episcopal church. there's a private service tomorrow, with burial to follow, alongside his wife barbara and daughter robin on his presidential lrary grounds at texas a&m university in college
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station, texas. ha woodruff: just moments ago, the plane that been dubbed "air force special mission 41," landed in houston with the bushi to bring president bush, 41, home for this final time. the plane has landed. ese are live pictures coming in from houston, from the airport there, where the plane has landed and they will wait to watchs ahe goes home. an joining me to reflect on the legacy of president george h.w. bush are "new york times" columnist maureen dowd, presidential historian michael beschloss, bush family friend, david bates, who worked in the bush 41 white house, and our margaret warner, now senior
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fellow at yale university's jackson institute for global affairs. hello to all of you. what day it has been. i have to say, it was a state funeral, but it waso as perl to me as any official thing i've ever seen. there were accolades. there were humor. and there were tears. i mean i was wiping away teahers at our-- at our anchor desk. maureen dowd, what did youtake away today? >> well, judy, it was heartwarming to see w.'s incredible emotion toward his father. but it was also kiof heartbreaking because, you know, i've spent decades covering the family, and the ther, you know, constantly worried that dick cheney and donald rumsfeld were leading w.positive astray on the iraq w, and the neocons were leang him astray, and i think w. did not want to seek his father's advictor hear wha
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he had to say about the invasion of iraq. and then it tooyears andars before he came around and realized his father was right and distanced himself from but by that time, it was too late. it was the worst mistake in icy.ican foreign pol so, you know, to see all that emotion, you just wish that, you know, they had been more mentor and protegeg dure time they needed it. >> woodruff: a lot of complex strands run thriewg tha a relationsh his relationship with others in hisi . margaret warner, you also covered him as a candidate. you've covered-- you've known the bush family. did they capre the complexity i george bush. today. hink it's very hard to capture the full complexity. i mean, thees anecdere wonderful. i think what, perhaps, didn't come through is he was also maa of great ambition. i he was very humble.
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i reported a long s covtory for "newsweek" years ago about how that came to be, how his tother would say, "i don't wan to hear more about the great 'i ami' and his father, the grade he claird about does notclaim more than his fair share of attention. on the one hand, hard tput himself forward. on the other hand he was very ambitious, and he s his sihts for something, and just as on that plane, he was determined to get the, even after losing in '79-'08y and as a candidate in his own rig>>ht. oodruff: david bates, you know the family going back many years. rau worked for him on seof his campaigns. you were in the white house when he was there. d you see-- did the george bush you knew come through? >> yes, it did. i-- i-- i thought it was a wonderful service.e to me, thas a great feeling of love in the-- in the cathedral. and i think that was appropriate because he is a beloved figure. and i thought each speaker
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offered a unique perspective on his life and character. and i thought it, as difficult as it is tocapture ife, as margaret said, of someone as complex as he is and life so full as his, ihought-- i thought each of the-- each of the speaksers did a very good job of kind of encapsulating his life and character. >> woodruff: michael schloss, you pay attention to a lot of presidents, how does remembering this one compare to what you remember of how we've reflected on and honored other presidents? >> well, i thinkyou know, every generation looks at a president a different way. and one thing that i love about this is the george bush that we've all been talking a lut during tht four days or so is very different from the george busthat people were talking about in january, 1993, when he was leaving office, and they were talking of him as out.
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of tou many people were saying inept president, shown by fact that he couldn't even manage to win a second term. mismanager of the economy. yes, he did end the co war, but we don't care about that anymore in 1993. 25 years later, you look back and see not only were these great historical achievements, but we see qualities in george bush that were not appreciated at the time-- the modesty, the ability to rech out t the other side, to try to include everyone. you know, every generation, as i say, looks for different things from a president. here we are in the age of donald trump, a very confrontational politics, and the politics of george bush seems lie something that was light-years ago but perhaps may oneay come back. >> woodruff: maureen dowd, michael remineses us what a painful loss of that in the92 election, when he lost to bill clinton. you wrote this week about your wonder him, being in touch with him
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over the years. how did he work his way through that? >> oh, i think tt was-- you know, that was very hard for him to take b aause he wast 90% afte you know, theersian gulf war. and then, one day in the pressor office, heof admitted that he had no interest in domestic policy. he really just loved beng in b,at, you know, global clu mostly men's club. and he really didn't want to deal with the domestic sid and i think he kind of missed the moment where americans were getting anxious about, you know, the economy and oth and he just really gloried in the foreign affairs part of it.: >> woodrut then on-- then, as we were saying, i mean, he lost, but he managed to live a full life after that. and you, again, in that piece you wrote this week, yout captured a l that. i mean the humor came back, the zest for ife camck. >> well, i think michael's
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right, you know, when we look ah neough the prism of donald trump, you know,way to look at it is bus.h sr would drop the first-person pronoun, the personal pronoun, because his mother always told him not to use th big "eye," not to gloat. so h e wouldart sentencing like the dana carver imitation, "can't act, just have to be me." he would drop the "i," and now 're living in this world that's all about the "i" with donald trump. the whole worldis having to pivot to trump's narcissistic "i." and, you know, one heartbreaking thing wasi when-n bush's book of letters, he wrote a letter to his sons, and he said, "if you ever need to distance yourself from me when you're running,
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don't feel bad abo it." >> woodruff: margaret warner, you were part of a story that lives in history. you wrote-- you were a reporter for "newsweek" magazine, and you had done a lot of reporting about his campaign in the 1980, when he was running for presiddit. and yourtor at "newsweek" gave it the title "the wimp factor." >> "fighting the wimp factor."dr >> wf: "fighting the wimp factor." tell bus that and his reaction to it. >> what iad spent almost a year doing and speaking to every member of the family, was trying to get at why this person, is man who was courageous in his day, as a young man who achieved so much, that there was this image problem, that he his own man. he didn't want to separate himself from ronald reagan, ando n. and i really got, i think, at the nub of his character, including the self-effacement, and why he never us theord "i." and because i think "newsweek,"
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they just wanted to jazz it up, they wanted to make a splash-- >> woodruff: we've never no, i don't mooez news media to do at. >> never happens. >> it came out the day he announced. and it was jusdevastating to the family. his daughter, doro, who spentme time wit burst into tears. in any event, he then-- so i was in agony about it becauid i feel it was cruel and gratuityos. i wrote to him and amazingly one day at home he called me, and i' actually recall every detail, but i do recall him saying, "there's one person in this household whowon't forgiv and " >> woodruff: his wife, barbara. >> his wife, barbara bush. >> woodruff: david bines, we're tto capture in just a few minutes again the complexity of this man with the humor, you know the fact that hl st died when he went into the pacific. what jon meacham was remembering today. and yet, in the end, he did a
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lot as president. i mean,s he was only ere-- not only-- he was there for four years. but there was-- he was managing a foreign policy at a time whe europe was it's world was changing at the end of the soviet union. i mean, he managed pull off a lot. >> he was a very consequential president. and i think secretary jim baker said it-- said it best, and he's certainly best one-term president the country has ever had. and-- and-- and i agree with him. he's one of the most outstanding presidents we've ever had. he had-- his record on forgn policy is well known to many, ending the cold wa without a shot being fired, which isry unique in his reunification of germany, which was-- which was opposed by moslt ers of western europe. we know-- we know bout the first gulf expwar how successful the diplomacy was in that.
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but on the domestic side, clean air act amendment which essentially ended acid rain, which was-- which was a very critical problem before icans with disabilities act, which really put disabled people into the mainstream of society. and a very, very tough spending control piecef legislation, which also had, as senor simpson mentioned, some revenue >> woodruff: do you think he recognized what he was getting done? >> i believe that bye th-- it-- in '92, in '92, after hle t, he may not have-- he may not have been recognized, you ow, how-- how successful his presidency was. but i do think that-- and senator simpson alluded to it-- that with some years looking back on his presidency, i think he was very, very pleased with--
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with how-- how his-- and the loss was-- the loswas very, very tough. >> woodruff: it was tough. >> in a way, i donis't think sons would have been elected governor of texas and florida or his son beeelected president if he had won a second term. so. >> woodruff: michael beschloss, we're asking historians how do presidents weigh compared to one another. it's too early, but what do you say now? >> well, during those fouyears with 2020 hindsight the one sidenti'd want from a pre is that he makes the right decisions about ending the cold war. he built this relionship with gorbachev, made gorbachev feel that bush would not exploit him if gorbachev opthe berlin wall, let eastern europe go, let germany reunify within nato. george bush made some mistakes. he was not perfect man. one thing that drives me crazy is that he did not do what effective presidents do, which is he couldn't explain to americans wh he was making unpopular decisions. effective presidents can
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surmount that. but sum it all up, the one thing i'd want from him is what he did r. the cold wa no one else who could have plausibly been president could have done that, so i think that qualified george bush to be thought of as at least a near-great president and certainly a consequential one.dr >> wf: maureen dowd, quickly, i mentioned the piece you wrote this week refctg on your long correspondence and relationship with him, reporter, politician, capture for us how that went. i mean the line, "the con effecto." i can't do justice tlasome of thuage you used. >> well, he just was trying toou agonize-- he say, "dr. freud, dr. young, dr. phil, help me." u know, he didn't understand how he could still maintain this correspondence with me when i was being shard on his son. but he, as margaret has pointed out, he was capable great decency and forgiveness.
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and,ou know, we just had this wonderful correspondence for decades. gd, you know, he was a very specialuy. >> woodruff: margaret, just quickly, remembering him >> i agree with maureen completely. there was this core,nhis decency,d warmth and graciousness about him that really comes through. and the letters to mreen and back, very much-- but i also agree with michael that covered that whole period at the end of the cold war, and also the gulf war, and that could have never been brought together, that coalition-- i was with jim bakeries he went all ound to try to put that together-- if it weren't for bush's personal relationships with the world leaders. and then, of course, later his willingness to end the war when he did. >> woodruff: in just a few seconds, michael beschloss, we'll still be talking about him years from now. >> i think we will. and the great tng about history is it's an argument without end, so if you'll us back in 30 years we'll do
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this more. >> woodruff: that's a promise.e you'll allack. >> thank you. >> woodruff: michael beschloss, maureen dowd,teavid margaret warner, thank you. >> thanks, judy. >> thanks, judy. >> wdruff: turning now to th day's other news, u.s. markets were closed for the bush funeral, but overseas markets fell again, on continuing confusion about u.s./china trade on twitter, ent trump tried to allay the doubts, saying, ot to sound naive or anything, but i believe president xi jinping meant every word" in their satday meeting. beijing said today it will abide by a tariff cease-fire, but it gave no details. the president was silent today on the news that former national lysecurity advisor michael has given substantial cooperation to the russia investigatn. special counsel robert mueller's
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office described flynn's aid in a heavily-redacted court filing last night. it recommended that he not serve any jail time. flynn has admitted lying about his conversations with the russian ambassador, during thean trump tion. russian president vladimir putin is warning the u.s. against a pulling out 987 arms treaty. the trump administration announced yesterday it will begin that process in 60 days,a if rusntinues its alleged treaty violations. in moscow, putin denied any violations. he said russia will react in kind, if the u.s. starts building missiles that are now banned. >> ( translated ): many other countries, like a do think, produce such weapons. while russia and the u.s. havehe restrictedelves. it looks like the american side have now decided that the situation had changed so much tothat the u.s. as well ha have such weapons. and what will our response be? very simple: we will do the same.
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>> woodruff: the 1987 treaty aimed to eliminate u.s. and russian short-range mi the warring parties in yemen are set to begin peace talks in s stockholden tomorrow. delegates from the houthis, a shiite rebel faction, arrid late tuesday. members of yemen's government- in-exile arrived today for the first talks in more than two years. a saudi coalition of sunni arab nations has been fighting the iranian-allied rels since 2015. french president emmanuel macron has scrapped a proposed fuel tax hike that sparked the most violent protests in decades. his government initially said it would suspend the tax for six months. tonight, macron's prime minister said the tax is a dead letter, and he called for dialogue with protest groups. european police arrested at least 84 suspected mobsters today in raids across italy, germany, belgium and the therlands.
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they targeted an italian mafia syndicate known as the 'ndrangheta and accused of cocaine trafficking, money laundering and other crimes. at the hague, italy's top anti-s mafia prosecutd the raids are just a small step in taking down the group's vast >> ( ated ): i wanted to underline once again, how 'ndrangheta has cells thatti operate, coope amongst each other and in a network that divers the whole of europe. if we think we havantled 'ndrangheta with this operation, we are probablai actually, cey, we are wrong. >> woodruff: today's raids followed a two-year investigation. in addition to the arrests, police also seized more than $2 million. edere's word that global carbon emissions have reaew records in 2018, rising the most in seven years. an international scientific group, the global carbon project, makes that projection, based on figures from the u.s.,
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china, europe and india. the findings mean some goals of the 2015 paris climate accord may be nearly out of reach. back in this country, wisconsin's republican- controlled legislature voted early today to weaken the powers of the incoming governor and attorney general, both democrats. the lame-duck session also blocked governor-elect tony evers, from overturning medicaid >> the will of the people been officially been ignored by the legislatur four of us won those races. the people of wisconsin expect f bettm us as leaders then to pit people against each other. >> woodruff: the measure would bar the newly elected attorney general from withdrawing the
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in georgia, republican brad raffensperger won a runoff tuesday for secretary of sta, overseeing elections. fellow republican brian kemp held the position before being elected governor last month. he has denied using his office to suppress minority turnout. raffensperger says he will continue strict enforcement of voter i.d. laws and purges of inactive voters. still to come on the newshour: newly released documents reveal that facebook shared valuable user data with select advertisers. and could robots become our newest co-workers? a look at how artificial intelligence is being used in hospitals, and much more. >> woodruff: ever since news rst broke that a political ansulting firm, cambridge
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analytica, we to get data from 87 million facebook users,r have been more questions erout whether facebook sold or shared data with oompanies than it has let on publicly. that investigation has beenro continuing in . today, as nick schifin tells us, there are new documents that show theocial media giant gave other companies select access to users data. >> schifrin: judy, the documents were released by a british parliament committee and seem to show facebook using all of our data as a bargaining chip to increase revenue. the committee cuses facebook of cutting special deals with sempanies like netflix, airbnb, and lyft to access' data because those companies were advertising on facebook. facebook restricted access to users' data to companies it deemed as competition. the data we're talking about is users' education and religious background, also preferences- what users like, and don't like. this matters because facebook claimed to have restricted access to this data to all companies in 2015. and itatters because it raises
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questions about facebook's interest in collecting your data, and making money. the record-- the newshou works with facebook on some video to talk about this, i'm joined by the "washington post's" silicon valley correspondent elizabeth dwoskin. thek you for being wi newshour let me start with these internal discussions in 2012, and we now have these emails. facebook was figuring out how to make money. mark zuckerberg writes the following in october 1212: does that show zuckerbergse thinking aboutrs' data as some sort of bargaining chip? >> i think it does. t you hasee the big picture here. this is right after facebook has gone public, and the media story is they can't pivot to mobile? are they going to make money? their ock price is dropping. so they have at the time this whole developer community, yo, knns of thousands of apprentices that are literally
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riding o the social graph. the obama campaign did it, cambridge analytica did it. and they're looking and saying, "we need to make money." so they're looking at these relausonships with thods of developers, and you can see this intense bargaining that's going on between zucg and facebook's top brass over who should get access and how while at the same time, what they're publicly telling developers is that alla the ess is free and neutral. and this runs up until-- this debate runthrough 2015 when they finally decide 2014, 2015, they finally decide to cut off but what we're learning is actually there were whole congratulations of exceptions at the time. let's fast forward to 2018. mark zuckerberg is in front of congress. this is april, and he is speaking in response to a question from dean heller, republican of nevada. let's take a look. >> well, senator, once again, we don't sell any data to anyone. we don't sell it to advertisers
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and we don't sell it to developers. what we do allow i people to sign into apps and bring their data, and it used to be the data of some of their friends, but now it isn't with them. is and i think that maenkes s. that's basic data portability. you own the data, you should be ab to take irom one app to another if you like. >> schifrin: do the documents show while facllook didn't data, they used the data to make money? >> the documents strongly suggest that. now, the caveat is we are seeing bits and pieces in th documents. it's not like it's a full triment of everything facebook ever did. but from what we can tell, it's interesting, privacy didn't come up tt much in the. it was all about competition, busiss decisions. and one of-- one piece of the documents that was interesting is there's this point where they talk about how they're gng to cut off all developers, unlessel those devers spend $250,000 on their mobile adam pro so that is-- that's one example
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in the documents where they really talked about it directly. >> schifrin: you said the privacy didn't come up inhese documents. do you believe that some of the documents show that facebook was motivated less by urs' da or protecting that user data and more about maxprimizinit? >> yeah treally seems to be that way. at the time, theepresentation to the public is these are abusive apps that ae taking too much data. but let's step back fair secondr facebook's missions at the time, until 2015, were so loose, that, as you heard mark zuckerberg's clip, if i signed into an app, i could actually be giving permission for the developer to access your profile and all of my friends' profiles, even if you gu sys nevigned into the app. so they're saying the developerdeveloper abused our p. in fact the policies wee incredibly loose, and the developers went rampant with them. they built businesses off them. hist you see here and how
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data trove adds to the story, is you see how there were really esep, competitive reasons and business reasons they were pulling back data. and those didn't appear to havec to do very mh with privacy. >> schifrin: facebook has responded to these documents, of course. let me read the statement: bo om line: what's the difference between selling the data and what they did? >> i think you've gotto ask them, and they're not giving too many answers beyond their own stements, you know. and i've been trying i think since i was up this morning at 4:00 a.m so, yeah, i think they're going to have a lot of explaining to do. and another qstion around that is whether any of this violate 2011 settlement that they have with the federal government, with the f.t.c., over whether ether they gave-- whether they were prohibited from giving developers access to da users
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hadn't consented to. and yet you have all these apps being whitelisted that got data that apparently bypassessed people's permissions. that's going to raise a big question as i ell. anhink another interesting point that you see in the documents is, for examp, the video streaming app vine. this was i an app that exploded on the scene.h it was like birth of live video streaming from your phone. and facebook managers have a conversation where they ask zuckerberg, "hey, do you think now that vine is getting big on the scene, we should cut off their data?" and zucg writes, "yup, absolutely." it was very clear that there were lots nsof motivatbout how they were broke werg data that really has been such a big story sinceambridge analytica. >> schzaifrin: eth dwoskin, silicon valley correspondent for the "washington post," thank you very much. >> thanks for hang me.
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>> woodruff: one of the big questions that's being debated about the future of work is the extent to which robots, artificial intelligence and automation may further iminate, add or change our jobs. e going to spend the nex couple of nights of our series exploring that tonight, o'brien looks into whether we humans may find a better partnership with the bot next to us. it's the focus of our weekly story on the "leading edge" of science and technology. >> reporter: roboton are on the march, rising, not falling. and if you watch the youtube channel for robot innovator boston dynamics, you might conclude they are out to replace us, or even worse.ob but at m.i.t.,icist julie shah and her team are devising robots with enough artificial intelligence to collaborate with mans.
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cobots. >> if we're just going to design em to replace, we're living in a very limited sphere of what this technology can do and we can really open up the possibility by designing them as collaborators. >> reporter: so, we doore together? >> we can do more together. >> reporter: that's a relief. robots that march with us, on our side, right? but first, do no harm. please!in so shah isg it safe for workers to get closer to theon big, s fast but not so smart robots that are already used on assembly lines all over the world. a >> we now haew species o realinherently safe robots that can work right alongside they can bum you and not permanently harm you in any way. that's a game changer. >> rorter: with the right sensors and tracking software, hee robot slows or stops wa human is in harm's way, and with arficial intelligence, it learns more efficient ways to
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avoid causing injury. collaboration? not really. this is more le coexistence in close proximity. and on factory floor more and more robots are emerging from behind protective barriers. >> if you look at a real cutting-edge warehouse these days, you see this fascinating dance between people and robots. >> reporter: andrew mcafee is a principal research scientist at m.i.t. he studies how digital technologies are changing business, the economy, a society. ro robots bring the shelves up to the person ante it so that the right item is right in front of the person. and the person's job is to reach in and with their extremely dexterous hands, grab two of those things out and put them a bin that's going to go off and get shipped off to me somewhere down the road. the robots are not yet capable of doing that reaching, grab to and put it away as accuratelyas anuickly as a human being can. >> reporter: julie shah and her
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team aim to take this to a new level, devising machines that are flexible, smart assistants - able to adapt, even anticipate w what's next,le their human co-workers do what they do bntt; thinking itively, creatively, innovating efficiencies. >> in almost every setting, where people are doing much of ece work, there is little of the work that can very easily be de by robots today. and the problem is not in enabling the robot to do those little pieces of work but enabling the robot to inteate and work effective with the person so that they can accomplish the task together. >> reporter: a world filled wi smart helpful robots has long been a science fiction dream. >> welcome to altair iv gentleman, i am to transport you to the residence. >> reporter: but the real world still far from the hope and the hype. big ideas for revolutionizing the way we work with ateificial
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igence and robots are just that: big ideas.e but juah is undeterred, taking her approach into a workplace where things are less scheduled and predictable, to say the least. >> i would like to offer a recommendation. >> reporter: the labor and delivery floor at a hospital,nu where thing supervisors make an air traffic controller's job look easy. shah's robot is programmed with enough artificial intelligence to help nurses decide how togn asooms and personnel. >> if we can offload even just d the simpisions and free up the cognitive capacity of these nurses that handle the most difficult situations, we cangn ificantly improve safety in hospitals. >> reporter: at massachusetts general hospital they are seeing if they can employ artificial intelligence in the operating room in real time for surgeons, like ozanan meireles. here is in the midst of a laparoscopic liver gastrectomy, stapling the stomac
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morbidly obese patient. in the next room, sits his colleague, surgeon daniel hashimoto. they are part of a team developing software smart enough to offer advice to a surgeon during a complex operation. they have shown the software hundreds, and soon thousands, of videos of the same procedure - so the machine learn sequence and patterns of success. this artificial intelligence is compared to what is happening live in the o.r. >> what's it looking at is, okay, this frame followed another, what's the probability that this frame is supposed to follow that? so, the red here marks areas edere the computer has dec that that particular frame that it's looking at with sort ofgh onfidence belongs to a certain step. >> reporter: one of thpomost ant steps is the placement of the staples relative to a t notch stomach called the
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incisura angularis. av the staples are too close, the patient willtrouble swallowing. >> let's say if a novice surgeon of a surgeon, a community area, that is the only surgeon available and start this type or edure gets too close to it, artificial intelligence through computer vision could actually give some like intuition to that surgeon and say, "you might be better off, go two or three centimeters away where you are"" >> reporter: hashimoto envisions a day when surgeons can instantly draw on the latest and best advice from everywhere; a coective surgical consciousness if you will- esking decisions linked to patient outcom years later. it will take some time before anything like this is deployed. among the thorny issues, it is often unclear to computer programmers just how machine learning software reaches its conclusions. it's a black box. >> you really need a human being whether it's a physi'san, whether programmer, whether it's a lawyer, to look
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at the output and say "is this a valid sort of recommendation that we're following?" >> reporter: much as we love our machines, humans like to have humans in the loop, especially when our lives are on the line. >> and in general, whenpp something bad s to a human being, they kind of want a human being to blame, to be responsible for it'sour wiring. >> reporter: machines and humano may be gooorkers for now, but as the robots grow increasingly smarterore flexible, there may come a day when they don't need a human partner at all. don't believe me? just watch. for the pbs newshour, i'm miles o'brien in boston. >> woodruff: a lot more rhythm than many of us have. and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening.of for als at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you
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