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pp[a >> and now, "bbc world news." rajini: this is "bbc news america." reporting from washington, i am rajini vaidyanathan. president trump says a deal has been donto end the government shutdown. reopening government for three weeks. but can he find agreement with democrats beyond then? a close ally of the president arrested in a predawn raid. roger stonear iged with seven counts in the russia probe. ihe says innocent. roger: i will plead not guilty to these charges, i will defeat them in court.ni and he spent 544 days in an iranian prison. we hear from journalist jason rezaian. on his harrowing ordeal
rajini: welcome to our viewers on public television in a trica and arou globe. after 35 days of a partial shutdown, president trump has put forward a new deal to reopen the u.s. governmlyt. but it is or three weeks, and the proposal does not cle funding for a wall on the southern border. the president threatened to declare a national emergen if the democrats and him cannot agree on border security. as if that was not enough drama, this morning a longtime ally oum president was arrested in a predawn raid. political strategist roger ston en charged in connection with the investigation intome russialing in the 2016 election. he says he is innocent. our north america editor jon sopel reports on another eventful day in u.s. politics. jon: friday morning, and the
extraordinary sight main domestic airport in new york at a virtual standstill. the government shutdown meaning there were not enough air traffic controllers to keep planes flying safely. day 35 of the longest shutdown in historyand 800,000 workers were missing another payday. but today, howevpo he sought to ray it otherwise, the president caved. pres. trump: i'm very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the fe government. jon: the shutdown was triggered en the president said unless there was $5 billion for his border wall, he would keep the government closed indefinitely.h thsaid he wanted a down payment. but now the federal government will reopen without a cent b havingeen pledged. as millions were affected and food lines grew, the pressure piled up on the president. polls showed he was overwhelmingly being blamed for the shutdown. rep. pelosi: disagreement on poncy should never be a rea
to shut down the government, really shouldn't, epeecially for od of time that has an impact on the paychecks. i'm sad it has taken this long. i'm glad we have come to the conclusion today ato how we go forward. jon: this has been a rough few days for the president. he got himself into wrestle with the speaker of the house, 78-year-old nancy pelosi, and lost. his demands for border wall funding have not been met. m thning one of his longtime associates and close confidantsa was arrested a of the mueller investigation. roger stone, provocateur, flamboyant, lifelong republican operative, specialist in dirty tricks, one-time aide hard nixon. as of 4:00 this morning, when the fbi moved in, the latest person to arrested in the mueller investigation into collusion betwn the trump campaign and russia.
after stone's cot appearance, he emerged the very picture of defiance, almost emulating richard nixon. roger: i will plead not guilty to these charges.i ll defeat them in court. i believe this is a politically motivated investigation. i am troubled by the politicals motivati the prosecutors. jon: his indictment containing details of texts he sent that read as though they aken from "the godfather" or "the sopranos." to one hwrote, "you are a rat, a stoolie. u backstab your friends. i am so ready. let's get it on. prepare to die. [expletive]" the indictment alleges he was the conduit between wikileaks anhe release of emails from the democratic national committee deeply damaging to hillary clinton. today the white house was
saying, so what? sarah: this has nothing to do with the president, nothing to do with the white house. jon: but though the presidt protests that the mueller investigation is a hoax and witch hunt, re and more key figures have been snared over the contacts with russia and the lies they told to cover their tracks. jon sopel, bbc news, washington. rajini: we will hear more about roger stone's arrest in a minute, but first let's get the shtest about the temporary end to the governmendown. i spoke a while ago with our political analyst ron christie. 35 days. what do you think changed the game? ron: two game changers, rajini. go evening to you. number one was the secretary of commerce, a billionaire, making the flip comment about people who are out of work can borrow money and find other ways to survive. i think it came across as being very insensitive. number two, we saw six republican senators joined the anmocrats last night i attempt to reopen the government. i think the president felt the pressure was coming on him. keyse senators were from j
electoral states. he thought he would find a solution with the democrats to omget more wiggle rajini: you say for now because this solution is only a three-week one so we could be in the same situation in february. ron: correthough i don't think the president, having gone through the five days of having the government shutdown, i don't think he wants to deal with that again. i do believe an opportunity exists for the president if he does not get his wl money, what he insisted upon for the last month or so, he might occur -- declare a national emergency on the southern border with mexico and then have the united states army begin constructing his wall no more government shutdowns in the short-term, but in the longer term the president might get his wall through a politically unpopular move. rajini: and yet the democrats still say they don't want to fund a border wall. ron: they do, and we havseen that chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, the minority leader and
the speaker of the house, got what they wanted. no moneye or the wall. mocrats stood firm, they stood united, and they look like they moved the president to their will. they don't have any incentive to give the president money for his because he showed he wa willing to back down. rajini: the president likes to see himself as someone who can do a deal. what can we expect to see in the icxt few weeks? ron: i believe the president, the president, and the congressional leadership are going to be working very closely, looking at homeland security issues. decrats will get some of w they want, electronic surveillan and other mechanisms to provide security at the border. but ultimately, rajini, it is a question of does the president get a physical barrier thru the united states congress. at this juncture i don't believe the democrats will givhim any ditional funding, so look for unilateral action by the president i believe on february 15 or shortly thereafter. rajini: when the president spoke
today about the wall, his language seemed at soften somesaying it would not be necessarily a concrete wall,al medieval do you think the definition is slowly changing? ron: the term "wall" seems to be an evolution in proc gs. first it wng to be a concrete wall, then a barrier, then something we could see through. at this juncture as long as it is a physical structure that looks like what we would normally call a ll, he would declare victory. i just don't believe the democrats have the political incentive or the pressure at this juncture to give the president what he wants. rajini: very briefly, who do you think has come out of this better, democrats or the president? ron: sadly as a republican, i believe the democrats have, but ultimately who has come out the best, the furloughed employees who now get paid and go back to work. those are the true winners. : ron christie, always a pleasure to speak to you. ron: good to see you. today'sback to
indictment of roger stone. , to help explain it aam -- was joined by a former federal prosecutor for the departmentawf justice. we very defiant roger stone still defending president thump. how significant are arrests -- this arrest? >> despite the white house and roger stone himself and the defense team putting a brave face othis, this is significant. we have watched for nearly two years as the special counsel investigation has made move after move aer move. roger stone has remained relatively untouched until toda he seemed to occupy a critical ed liken because he se he would be the individual who would know if there was a connection between the trump campaign and wikileaks, which course was the organization that released hillary clinton's emails. after many, many months oft, quow we know, and despite the fact that it has been long awaited, it was still dramatic, with this predawn raid on roger stone's florida home, and seeing lehim in court a bit dishe t t still defiant, we know the ramifications of w has
done. rajini: you have got the paper, the indictment, 26 pages i think. what was the most striking thing you pued out of that? joseph: you could have charged a case against roger stone in a lot fewer pages than this. if this were simply the case of a dirty political trickster who lied about it to congress. beyond that is a lot of were notal facts tha necessary to just bring the case against roger stone. most significantly, what jumped out at me was the fact that it lays out in detail numerous coordinations and between mr. stone and the trump campaign.ju it wasn't one, it wasn't just two. there were multiples in terms of urderstanding what wikileaks had, trying to figout selectively what kind of emails they may have collected, understanding when they may be released for the best strategi value to the campaign. it now answers the qstion of was there some sort of
coordination at least between the campaignnd wikileaks. the answer seems to be yes. in addition, roger stone was not just acting as a lone agent. he was coordinating with the campaign and benefiting them. rajini: how much of a should this be to president trump? joseph: sarah sanders put on a very brave face in saying that this never mentions president trump and the raite house. liy that is true -- president trump is not mentioned here, nor is the white house. but itonnects the trump campaign quite signir cantly to roone and it mentions senior members of the trump campaign. guess what, the trump campaign was not that large of an organization. whenou think of who the seni directors of the trump campaign were, that narrows down to a few individuals in the close orbit of the presint. rajini: briefly, what does this reveal about where you think the mueller investigation is going? joseph: two possibilities. one possibility is that it is a narrow indictment th starts and ends with roger stone. he was a trickster, he
negotiated and facilitated thele e of these stolen emails, and that he lied about it and is facing the consequences. ei don't think s there, though, because there were so many more facts in here that were not necessary to bring this case of roger stone. i believe it is laying the foundation for further steps to come. i think it will be fleshing out who were those individuals at the trump campaign, what was the extent of the coordi, and who knew about it. these are basic answers that the mueller probe has been after since the beginning and the amer waiting patiently to find out. rajini: thanks for coming in. i,seph: thanks, rajin good to be here. rajini: let's look at some of the day's other news. the leader of sudan's largest opposion party have joined the calls for omar al-bashir to step down. hundreds of protesters took to the streets following the arrest. poli fired tear gas to try to disperse the activasts. as many 50 people have been killed since the unrest began. emergency services in brazil say 200 people are missing after a
dam collapsed. it is reported that several people were killed. willdent jair bolsonaro visit the affected region on saturday. you are watching "bbc world news america." still toome on tonight's program, uncovering centuries of history in london. the largest excavation ever seen in the u.k. presidentnezuela's nicolas maduro says he will send minister to the u.n. on saturday to attend secret key -- security cncil meeting on e growing political crisis. u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo urged members to
recoize opposition leader ju guaido as the country's interim president. here is aleem maqbool. aleem: crisis in venezuela is nothing new, but there is no question it has escalated dramatically and potentially dangerously in recent days. it is driving people across this border into colombia in large numbers. this man fled caracas with almost nothing and he is trying to help sell goods in the market to make enough to survive. "this has never happened before in venezuela," he says. "the president is bringing down the country.av thingsnever been so bad." aieverybody here -- police agencies, local people are eolling us that there is a massive surge ofe coming across the border fleeing from venezuela into colombia. here is those with immigration papers, but the numbers suggest that m illegally at other parts of the border, so aious are they about the situation back home. many of them he poured into this shelter close by offering free food.
w with an opposition figure having declared himself the country's leader, there are fears about how president nicolas maduro will react. this woman hopes maduro will fall so she can return home, b es not believe it will happen. she also saystr she does not america's motives. >> for a while now people have beenan saying the amer president hoping to create this crisis so he could intervene. in the end, we don't know the truth of the situation.ar we just know whungry and fearful. aleem: refugee families here feel they are just caught in a big political game over which ey have no control. 2014, "the washington poef's" tehran bureau cas arrested in iran on charges of spying for the u.s. jason rezaian was held in prison
for 544 days, including time in solitary confinement. it was released in a prisoner swap, and nowng he is she iranian government. he is out with a new memoir, "prisoner." earlier, jason rezaian joined me the studio. let's start with the circumstances surroundn g your arrest14. jason: i was going about my life in in, working as a journali and covering everything one does in a country, including the nuclear negotiations between iran and world powers. my wife and i were on the verge of coming back here to t united states for a little r&r to recharge before what was to be a very long slog of working this particular story. very suddenly we were apprehended in our home as we were getting ready to leave our apartment to go to a party taken off to the most notorious
prison in that part of the world and one that has been the long-term home of political prisoners, foreign nat, and journalists like myself.u rajini: ite in very vivid detail about how you were held in solitary confinement. just explain to our viewers what it is like. s jason: the firen weeks that i was in prison i was in solitary, and i hope that that is not something that anybody ever has to experien what i try to do in the book is gi readers a groups of wha the day-to-day experience of being in solitary is like. it is designed to really disassociate you from reality and make you go insane, and it works. the cell that was in was about a meter and a half by 2.5 meters wide. it was lit 24 hours a day. my only access to anything outside of the cell were my interrogation sessions. this was the ping-pong of myfe or seven weeks of going to
interrogations where i was accused of very absurd and ridiculous charges, and thenry back to solio contemplate what was next. it was -- it is horrifying. it is not something that anybody should have to endure. rajini: let's talk the absurd and ridiculous charges. they include interrogators going through some of your websites, and also a story about avocados. jason: i didn't realize people would find this so interesting, but i did at the time. olon the first night i was that a kickstarter project on the well-known crowdfunding website i had tried to implement in 2010 and failed to achiev the funding for, an avocado farm that i thought we could bring to iran, became the core charge against me, that this was somehow a code word for a secret project that i had with the cia and the american goverto topple the iranian regime.
obviously, that did not hold a lot of water. that is part of why i am talking teout it now. imes when we hear about dual nationals or foreign nationals being held in iranian prison -- the iranian brit being held right now is being held on similar types of charges. while the charges themselves are very serious, the circumstances behind t charges are farcical and should be considered as such. rajini: you talk about mrs. ratcliff. how do you think the u.s. government handled your rease? then we will talk about how the otherho governmentsd handle -- jason: well, i was talking to a colleague of mine, executive director of the committee to protect journalists, who haste wra book about hostagean releasransom and the ways that different governments deal with these situations.
iran makes it complicated because it is a state that is doing these hostage takings by -- but wrappindithem in a jual proceeding. it is a judicial hostagetaking is what we like to call it. the u.s. government,ecause it was dealing th iran in these negotiations, d an opportunity toork to bring me home, and my family and my employer, "the washington post," did not have their hands tied in thsame way a private citizen would if their relative or loved was taken by a terrorist organization or pirates. every country, whether it is t u.k., the united states, canadar weeuropean countries, australia, japan, the likely targets of these hostagetakings, has a different policy of what they are willing to do. some have a very stark no-concessions policy,s say we will pay for the release of hostages. i don't think there is one right answer. but i do think that as free societies and democracies, the
value citizens' lives and freedom is one of the most important values we have, that we share as free societies, and i think everything should be done to free people who are held hostages, the imperative of these governments. rajini: very briefly, a lot has changed since you were held captive. u.s.-iran relations are very different. w do you see them now? jason: i think they are in a worse state they have been than -- at any point in a you can agree or disagree with you the engagement with iran or the policye trump administration vs. the obama administration. what don't like is that think a lot was learned in the process of those negotiations by the americans who were dealing with iranian counterparts for ane first time in 35 years the knowledge that was gained in that process is not being taken advantage of right now.
rajini: jason rezaian, this is your book "prisoner." thanks very much. jason: thank you. rajini: now to london, the largest archaeological excavation in the u.k. is currently underway to make way for a new high-speedail line. during the digging, the grave of eatest britain's maritime explorers was found. his final resting place had long been forgotten. reporter: back in the 1780' 's, london wning out of space. it had nowhere for the dead. and so it created new cemeteries. one of them is here. and now, more than 200 years later, that land is needed fore. another purp the dead are going to have to find a new final resting place. and this is the reason why. this is where london's high-speed railway station is about to be built. anso a small army of archaeologists have arrived to move thousds of bodies.
how many people are we talking about buried here? >> the record is aut 60,000 people interred in the cemetery. reporter: of course, some have over the years been removed, but there is still a huge number of people buried here. ending up probably withid around 40,000 indls. reporter: you are excavating 40,000? >> yes.d reporter: is huge tented dite is only the beginning. where i'm st is going to be one of the platforms. 500 meters along there. this is what gets you about site, the sheer size of it. 11,000 square meters. but what will happen tthe bodies? the first man to sail around australia is buried here. so is bill richmond, one of britain's most celebrated
boxers. >> initially they will be taken for archaeological analysis, laboratories. they will be stored in a morgue. that is with the agreement of the church. reporter: after that everyone will be reburied in consecrate ground. this is just the beginning. this is the location near the site of a lost church. overall, on the whoe, we will have 1000 archaeologists excavating 60 sites. reporter: that sounds pretty big in archaeogy terms. >> it is the biggest archaeological excavation ever in the u.k. and probably europe. reporter: in this part of london, any development will be building on history, but this one has mo ghosts than normal. rajini: that is it for today's show, and for my time here on "bbc world news america." you can keep in touch with me on
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